Deja vu! Autry Likely to be Handed At-Will Use of Public Land for $1 per Year.
In a backroom deal by "the late great John Ferraro" in 1987, the Board of Referred Powers which is made up of LA City councilmembers, met to hand over a ten acre parcel of prime real estate in Griffith Park to Gene Autry for the sum of just $1 per year.Tomorrow, in a backroom deal by high school football star Tom LeBong, the Board of Referred Powers meets once again to basically do the exact same thing -- allow the Autry to expand at will on public open space for the sum of ..... $1 per year.
The Autry's massive expansion plans effectively triple the size of the institution as well as allow a number of additional conditional uses (more alcohol) and sign variances to advertise their facility for some uses other than public benefit. At the 3pm meeting, the Board of Referred Powers will likely approve the Environmental Impact Report essentially as-is, with no appreciable change from the draft version of the report. Once passed, the Autry has essentially free rein to move forward exactly as planned, and the City loses most if not all of its ability to negotiate on the Autry's new land lease.
The Board of Referred Powers (Hahn -ch, Cardenas, Parks, Reyes, Rosendahl) is hearing the Autry's EIR in place of the Recreation and Parks Commission because current Commission president Barry Sanders used to be employed by Latham and Watkins who is the Autry's legal firm. A relatively recent addition to the commission, it is possible that Sanders was selected with this exact idea in mind. Although it helps to make Recreation and Parks look less the bad guy, most observers do not believe this switch ultimately affects the outcome since the entire issue is highly political and the Recreation and Parks department has no option but to hand LeBong and the Mayor exactly what they want.
The Autry stands to make a lot of money on the deal. They already have, with the Southwest Museum's collection worth hundreds of millions being given over to them in a related string of City payouts without accountability since the 1987 Ferraro double-deal. Recently, the Autry has begun renting their $1/yr property to commercial entities for events that are entirely inappropriate for public park land. One example, the "Brew-Ha-Ha" beer event ostensibly benefiting the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation is returning to the Autry this Fall for a second round. The Brew-Ha-Ha has appropriately been described as 'drinking for a good cause'. The Autry has also begun renting its venue out for other more commercial private events and will likely expand this revenue-making activity once their own expansion is passed by the board.
The EIR that the Board of Referred Powers will be approving is essentially identical to the draft version that was open to public comment. No significant changes or mitigation measures were added in spite of the fact that there was ample public input, some of which was directly linked to required City code. A good example of the blatantly ignored comment can be found at the Greater Griffith Park Neighborhood Council's web site, with two important letters (1, 2) outlining what code is being violated and as well as some of the major concerns of park stakeholders.
It's interesting to note that this important vote comes less than 24 hours before new City Attorney Carmen Trutanich takes office. Trutanich has a strong environmental background and during his campaign stated he would be a tough fighter for social and environmental justice. Handing over 10 acres of Griffith Park to an entity who doesn't even bother to pretend anymore that their mission is public-benefit driven for just $1 per year hardly seems just.
Labels: Autry Museum, board of referred powers, carmen trutanich, griffith park, john ferraro, latham and watkins, mayor antonio villaraigosa, Southwest Museum, tom la bonge, Tom LeBong
Posted by Petra Fried in the City @ 6/29/2009 09:40:00 AM
50 Comments:
absolutely nobody cares about this dumb museum battle. we are no longer the old west. nobody cares about dusty old relics. (insert Janice Hahn reference)
The Autry is bussing their support in again, too. Mainly little old ladies who enjoy the ride and the free food.
Certain City Hall public comment speakers are not going to be happy about this.
I can't stand the sound of those fucking speakers! We are talking about dusty old relics, not anything that is relevant to modern life. We do not need TWO museums or TWO zoos. We don't need either and I wish all of these crowds would go away which they hope fully will once the matter is resolved.
The southwest has an amazing collection that no one in LA ever visits due to location. But building should be preserved as a research institute/by appt. and event venue like "old" Getty. The collection is too big to move all to Autry. The Autry frankly has been mediocre, see it once and that's enough. I mostly see Scout troops and class groups. I can see it wouldn't be cost-effective to fully staff both places with the few people who go to the southwest now. But wasn't a rail stop put there to make it easier to visit? I was there once years ago and found it unpleasant to find and park, but people who work with Indian artifacts say it's the best collection in America.
Adding Indian stuff will add to the relevance of the collection and attract adults too- American Indian art, weaving, basketry etc. are a lot more interesting and varied by tribe than most realize. So it's not "evil" to move part of the collection to the Autry, just seems both sides aren't trying to compromise.
NUCH
YOU PROMISED US
WHY ARENT YOU ALLOVER THIS AUTRY DEAL????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
what does it matter if these dusty relics are in one place or another? If you can see them, then it's no difference.
dr. Clive Williams always spoke against the elephant exhibit, using the same logic. as long as you can see an elephant in the wild or in a zoo, what's the difference. the shoe is on the other foot now.
all these people whining about some dusty saddle is a riot. drive across town to see the saddle!
What is the Fair Market value of 10 acres of land in the Los Feliz area? What would you have to pay in rent for land like this? Anyone know?
Nuch promised anything to everyone to get elected. Having no track record of doing anything in civic service in decades it was easy to point fingers and blame those who do.
NO, PetraFried he does NOT have a strong record in environment protection -- that was over 25 years ago, his clever PR campaign just made people believe it and the idiots at the Times didn't expose him. Since then he's been working for environmental polluters and criminals of all kinds, seeking to get them OFF the hook.
He would be more in his element working FOR the big=money interests here so let's see how he does "keeping his word" on this one. He was all over this community trying to get elected. Is he now going to buck TomLaBonge who played the fence and his staunch hometown supporter Janice Hahn, for those public speakers and sops in the community who believed he meant what he said? Let's see.
We have a bunch of corrupt assholes running city hall. There is not one city council member who isn't tarnished. Wesson I give credit for staying away from the assholes.
Isn't CDD money for the entire city? Mayor Sam posted a thread about Huizar giving money to Janice Hahn for a center in her district. Then why is money from CDD that is meant for my community in Encino and the city going to
CD 14 with Huizar and Janice Hahn doing it? We're in financial crisis and who says these non profits can get money without public input?
09-1571 CD 14 To Housing, Community and Economic Development Committee Motion (Huizar - Hahn) - That the General Manager of the Community Development Department, or his designee, be authorized to transfer $23,000 in UDAG Miscellaneous Revenue Funds to the Barrio Action Youth and Family Center ($10,000) and el Centro de Ayuda (13,000) respectively
"NOBODY CARES. . . wah, wah wah"
(Exactly! Isn't that how we arrived at our current national fiasco?) Nobody cared about the backroom deals being made to feather the nests of corporate America, until the bill came due and it had our (and our great-great-grandchilden's) names on it, under the word "Payor".
Let's call things what they are and then see how the argument reframes itself.
The Autry National Center is a corporate D-E-V-E-L-O-P-E-R with back room connections to the mayor and will be GIVEN outright a piece of PUBLIC property easily worth $15 to $20 million. Slapping the word "museum" on the front door don't make this kind of sweetheart deal any less indecent than if Villaraigosa was handing it over to Eli Broad to put McMansions on, in the middle of one of the few remaining wilderness areas in the city.
Autry will be making money off of FREE city land, while gutting the historical resources and history or another unique area of the City.
Why care -- location doesn't matter. Let's move the Watts Towers to a "nicer" neighborhood in the Valley, and rename Malibu "Venice Beach" to avoid having to deal with riff raff like Zuma Dogg again. Let's create and new, "cleaner" Olvera Street at Universal City, and add some rides.
LOCATION doesn't matter, does it?
Only if you give a rat's ass about history.
You should care, or you should stay off political blogs. This is at the very root of the problem with all things local politic. Corporations make binding promises to get their foot in the door, and to acquire one-of-a-kind commodities (like an existing museum collection), and then forget them once "no one cares" anymore. . . just so long as they can be seen, "somewhere".
(Hey, I can fly into Oakland for a hundred bucks every few weeks to watch the Raiders play, but that doesn't mean it isn't a crying shame that L.A. City mismanaged having a professional football team in tne nation's second largest city. What DIFFERENCE does it make where something's located.)
It sounds like it makes a difference to the 6-8 affected neighborhood councils who are ALL opposing it, on behalf of their communities. . .
BUT, tomorrow, the "referred powers" of the City Council, led by Janice "I helped create neighborhood councils" Hahn, will once again heavily "diss" all of the collective Northeast Los Angeles as well as the Griffith Park neighborhood councils and say "F-ck off" official advisors. . . we know what's best for both your areas.
Fair market value is irrelevant when the use to which the property is going to be put is a "public benefit".
The museum isopen tot he public and serves the public, depite the fact it may glorify Gene and his ego.
Go propose something better if you want it displaced, otherwise, suck it up and forget it. it is a "done deal".
Move on.
12:09 doesn't know the difference between 'public benefit' and 'open space', which is how Griffith Park is zoned.
I don't know if this is true but someone once told me the "late, great John Ferraro" had three dedicated phones installed under the Clowncil President's rostrum.
One was hard wired to his wife, the other to his broker and the last to his mistress.
That is so old school!
I am certain that if Gene Autry were alive he would be horrified at the bamboozling his widow is behind here.
Gene as well as his old rival Roy Rogers were both conservative Republicans in the Ronald Reagan mold. Neither would support a deal like this.
Roy Rogers built his museum without taxpayer dollars and I am sure old Gene would have wanted the same.
the Autry is already the largest building in Griffith Park. Phase Two of the Autry expansion triples the size of a truly mediocre museum.
The Autry has an annual attendance of just a few hundred thousand compared to the 10 million visitors that come to Griffith Park annually. It is hardly a destination.
Why would anyone do this from a business standpoint?
Jackie Autry has John Gray to mastermind the bamboozling. Gray's a slick dude.
"Slick" definition (informal):
"clever in deception or trickery; deceptively plausible; smooth - a slick alibi"
Time was that was called being a "liar."
I believe the Greek Theater, also in Griffith Park, pays at least $1 million or more for the consession.
Nuuuuuuuuuch!
Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
One commenter wanted to know the fair market value of the property the City Council stupidly handed over to Jackie Autry in 1987 for $50. ($1 per year).
The 2001 Annual Report of the Autry includes the following:
"The Museum is located on land leased from the city of Los Angeles (the City) for $1 per year. At the conclusion of the lease on January 23, 2037, (unless extended by mutual agreement), any improvements, except for items and structures that the Museum deems part of its collection, shall become property of the City. Based upon verbal representations by city officials, management believes that the lease will be extended indefinitely. During the term of the lease, all rates for services and merchandise charged by the Museum are subject to approval by the City. However, the City has no direct involvement in the operations of the Museum. The Museum has no other future lease obligations and has paid its obligations in full to the City. During 2000 and 1999, the Museum recorded the fair market value in excess of the lease payment of $1,120,980 as a temporarily restricted contribution of services and the corresponding amount of rental income as general and administrative expenses in the accompanying financial statements."
As I read this, the Autry auditors set the fair market value of the $1 lease (before the housing bubble and bust) at $550,000 per year. Autry is recording on its books approximately $550,000 per year of an "involuntary contribution" from the taxpayers of Los Angeles.
Thus, out of the $5,316,343 of "Contributions of cash and services" recorded on the Autry's Income Statement for 1999, more than 10% of the Autry's operational contributions flowed FROM THE CITY'S TAXPAYERS. That's right YOU TAXPAYERS are subsidizing the 10% of the Autry's annual contributions though the land lease.
Folks, we are in the middle of one of the biggest financial mess of the City in its history. Why is this important? Because if Janice Hahn leads this Board of Referred Powers to "business as usual" to continue to hand over this land without leveraging its value for the benefit of the taxpayers... then it's time for a taxpayer revolt.
Jackie Autry has a personal fortune of over $300 million, perhaps more. The Autry Museum is "broke" in the sense that unless she wants to write a check for something, it does not happen. So really, you and I are putting $550,000 per year directly into the pocket of Mrs. Autry because that is what she would otherwise have to pay in the marketplace as rent of the land from a private owner.
For her, an additional $550,000 per year is a little more interest earnings from her stocks, bonds and real estate.
Also, notice that the Annual Report of the Autry practically brags that City officials have privately told management Autry will have the land forever. Hey, this is a land lease people. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR THE CITY TO GIVE AWAY PARKLAND. AGAINST THE LAW. Check the City Charter where it says that land in parks is to be held for the people "inviolate."
That is why this is important. People need to call Larry Frank at the Mayor's office, Janice Hahn and Tom LaBonge and demand full value be imposed on the Autry IF it wants this huge expansion. And, the City Council, as stewards of our parkland should not, must not, betray that trust by helping the Autry to unnecessarily destroy a museum that Autry PROMISED to help: The Southwest Museum.
The Southwest Museum issue and the free leasing of park land to non-profits backed by huge personal fortunes that could easily pay fair market value is a fight worth fighting.
Word is, the calls and faxes and emails are flooding the Council offices right now. Please add your voice. Like Measure B, we can change this selfish deal into something better for the City.
Some one should forward this blog link to Jane Usher, head of the Trutanich Transition Team. They have got to be suspicious that this hearing is scheduled a couple of hours before Nuch's swearing in.
It doesn't matter how Griffith Park, or any other property is zoned, the Council and the mayor can create an exception to the general plan. But, my understanding is that the area is in the existing parking lot; that is probably most likely zoned "P".
But what debate it? Just as ZD, who knows everything, to tell us what the zoning is...
The Mayor's bloggers are growing silent because the phones are ringing about the Southwest. The "who care" bull shitters on here are City Hall types. This is a graphic case of selfishness and self-dealing by the Mayor.
Call Tom LaBonge's Chief of Staff, Renee Weitzer directly.
(213) 473-2343
leave a message in her voicemail about the utter hypocrisy of Tom LaBonge to claim he loves the history of this City so much while helping Jackie Autry help herself to the Southwest Museum's collection while trying to abandon the terrific site of the Southwest Museum.
Ask her if Tom has looked at the view from the Southwest: Catalina Island to Mount Baldy. Autry could be such heroes if they just followed the Rehabilitation Report of their experts!!!
Ask if Tom LaBonge would rather that Autry restaurant patrons see the Southwest's collections out of context and then dine overlooking Billy's dung rolling through the Zoo Wastewater Plant (which is immediately next to the Autry Museum property)?
The www.autrylies.com
website is hysterical.
Word is that for Councilman Jack Weiss may be the new director of the Gene Aury Museum.
That ought otmake things interesting...
2:25, you're pretty funny yourself!
If you think Jack Weiss is an incompetent boob, you have not seen Autry CEO John Gray in action.
CITYWATCH
Would You Give Gene Autry's Widow $28 Million in the Midst of a City Budget Crisis?
GuestWords
By Daniel Wright
Back in 1985, Gene Autry's wife, Jackie Autry was in a fix. She and Gene had tried to convince the City of Burbank to allow the construction of the Gene Autry Western Heritage Museum in Buena Vista Park, next to the Los Angeles Equestrian Center. The deal fell through when Burbank's Council rejected handing over free use of precious parkland to one of the wealthiest men in America.
What to do?
The Autrys were trying to find free land for the Western Heritage Museum, probably because they did not want the added cost of paying for it. Following the equestrian trail from Burbank into Griffith Park, the Autrys decided to ask the City of Los Angeles for 11 acres of land next to the horse path and across from the Zoo. After campaign contributions to key Council members and over strenuous objection of many environmental and community groups, in 1986 the City Council gave the Autry Museum a 50-year lease of 11 acres of land for $1 per year. That's right, a non-profit controlled by one of the wealthiest men in the country was given our parkland for fifty years at $50 bucks.
In giving this parkland away without demanding fair market rental value, the City was implicitly agreeing to a public subsidy from the City's taxpayers to the Autrys. How much was that subsidy? The best measure is Autry's own balance sheet. Starting in 2000-01, the Autry began increasing the value of its balance sheet by booking the value of the Griffith Park land lease.
In 2001, Autry reported the annual "contribution" from the City's taxpayers at$550,000. If the value of the land fluctuates from year to year, being less valuable in the 1990s and much more valuable in the 2000s, $550,000 per year may be a pretty good number to evaluate the cumulative gift from the taxpayers. Just using a straight calculation of 50 years times $550,000 yields a total subsidy of $27,500,000. The Autry might argue over the exact figure but there is no denying that in a time of extreme budget difficulties, if the City Council allows it to continue, the Autry Museum will reap millions of more dollars of forgone revenues from the City.
Right now however the Autry has come back to the City asking for an amendment to the Griffith Park lease. Autry wants to expand its building and it needs to extend for even more years, its lease of parkland. Right now, the Mayor and City Council have the power to impose new conditions upon Autry in exchange for the right to expand its museum building using our parkland.
to be continued
CITYWATCH continued
The City has every right to demand fair market value from the Autry for the use of City parkland. The Mayor just imposed draconian staff and budget cuts on the Recreation and Parks Department. Why is the Mayor silent on calls to exact fair market compensation for the Autry's use of our park?
Another alternative: the Autry wants to expand its building so much as to allow it to move the Southwest Museum from private land (now owned by Autry as a result of a merger) onto Griffith Park land. The Mayor and Council could reject the unnecessary abandonment of Autry's private land (the Southwest Museum's campus in Mount Washington) and impose a condition that all or some of the $550,000 per year be paid into a trust fund to be used to rehabilitate and operate the Southwest Museum at its spectacular hillside location. This makes so much sense with a Metro Rail station at the front door of the Southwest Museum and no rail transit station in Griffith Park. If the Mayor is the Chair of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, he certainly would want to encourage use of the rail system for museum patrons and school children to access this City's first and most historic museum.
None of these creative conditions on the Autry's use of public assets for private gain are being discussed at City Hall. The Mayor and the Council should take Autry's campaign contributions (now flowing again just like in 1986) but do the right thing. Use the value of the land previously given for free to one of the wealthiest men in America to generate public benefit to address the City's budget shortfall and provide a constant source of funding to preserve an iconic piece of this City's early history -- the Southwest Museum.
PetraFried, I am amazed at your naivete in this situation. You are usually spot on in weeding out bullshit.
Who told you that Nuch had a good environmental record? His campaign?
The only people who would consider Nuch a "good environmental attorney" are the companies, businesses and developers who are trashing the environment. They hire Nuch to get them out of trouble. He finds ways to get the polluters out of trouble and mitigate the minimum amount for their "bad" deeds.
I would have never inked his name on a ballot. Never in a million years. I wouldn't vote for Weiss either, so I just didn't vote and since I didn't, I don't bitch about it.
But you (collectively [blog readers]) voted for him and you get what you asked for.
Reading you calling out for him to help you is just plain funny.
Nuuuch! Help! 3:34 is making fun of me! Arrrghhhh!
Get MT out of here at 3:34. Who talks like that in real life? Same person who didn't vote for Weiss, is the same person who never has any horse in any of this but always chimes in. Nice off-the-street take, pro.
Save us, save us Nuch! Save the Southwest like you promised! And keep your other campaign promise to let the Controller audit the City Attorney's office, that dumb judge be damned! You gave us your personal word and interpretation on this as a stump pledge and you're smarter and wiser than any judge! Judge like you said you were SO much smarter than any Law School Dean, like that leftwing quack Erwin Chemerinsky and those ignorant Bar Assn. heads!
You "slew the Philistine" after all, like you proudly told us at SOHA day after, this was a "battle between good and evil," we want to see results! Nothing less than the "earthquake for good!" Thank you, Nuch!
No, I'm not the previous poster but you and PetraFried are sounding pathetic, dupes that you are. Prove me wrong, Nuch! SOS! Heeeeeelp!
William S. Hart Park is less than an hour's drive from most areas of Los Angeles. It is the former home and ranch of William S. Hart, silent film cowboy star and director. The Museum sits atop a hill within a large park area. The Spanish colonial Revival style mansion contains original furnishings, an impressive collection of western art, mementos of early Hollywood and Native American artifacts. In addition, there is a furnished 1910 ranch house which is open for unguided tours
Ghost of Jerk Weiss says, "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"
What did you think that Jerk was bad, but nobody else would be? Stupid people! You didn't do enough to keep Antonio out of office, and now you have him, Wendy, and Nuch!
Stoooooooooooooooooopidos!
Okay, "I" am 3:34. I have to assume that the poster immediately following is accusing me of being Michael Trujillo. Who else is MT? Except that it's me and I'm not Michael.
Who talks like that in real life? Well, I do and I'm not sure what I wrote in my post at 3:34 PM today that is so out there and not like someone in real life today. Huh??
Next, the poster says I am someone who didn't vote for Weiss, has no horse in this race, but always chimes in. What the hell are you talking about? I did NOT vote for Weiss and I did NOT vote for Nuch. I voted for Noel Weiss in the primary and didn't vote for City Attorney in the general election.
I am totally baffled by the horse comment and the off-the-street take.
I couldn't be more serious about my post to PetraFried. I can't believe Nuch fooled so many people. I don't like Jack Weiss. By election day, I didn't care. It was, in my mind, the lesser of two evils and I chose not to vote.
I really want the poster at 5:44 to re-read their words that I copied and pasted below and tell me what the hell they're talking about.
What is so wrong with me refusing to choose between two awful candidates when I had no personal vendetta like some of you?
Sometimes the posters on this blog confuse me and I need to know from the person who wrote that at 5:44 PM to explain what "my" problem is.
And if you knew anything at all, you would know that Michael Trujillo would not say that he didn't vote for Weiss (like I posted) when chances are extremely good that he did.
5:44 said:
Get MT out of here at 3:34. Who talks like that in real life? Same person who didn't vote for Weiss, is the same person who never has any horse in any of this but always chimes in. Nice off-the-street take, pro.
Get your Band Aids ready because Nooch will bite you in the ass morons.
In case all the screamers here don't know it, let me point out that the city attorney is currently Rockard Delgadillo, Trutanich cannot do anything until July 1, by which time the people you voted for will have stuck some more knives in our backs over this and other Jack Weiss projects.
You'll get to vote for them again in 2011, thanks to that stupid term limits law that you also voted for.
If you really want to change the way the clowncil plays fast and lose with the city, then vote.
The idiot who is proud of voting for the biggest loser in the city attorney election can sit back smugly and make smarmy comments, but he or she is clearly part of the problem, not part of the solution.
You people have the power to vote out these city hall hacks, but what do you do? Zip. Nada. Nothing. You return these unaccountable people to power because you BMW about anyone who runs against them.
Phil Jennerjahn was the biggest loser in the mayoral race, but at least he ran. If he has any fire in his belly, I expect he'll be at city hall tomorrow to condemn these last minute shenanigans, along with Zuma Dogg (is his public speaking ban over?) and I hope a load of other citizens who will fill out cards and publicly remind the clowncil that we have long memories and they will all pay for their treachery in the same way as Jack Weiss has paid.
Throwing Jack Weiss out on his ass was the first step in reclaiming the city, now it's up to you, the voters, to fire a shot over the bows of the USS Clowncil. Pictures of Weiss's head should be shoved on a pole and waved in city hall to remind them of what will happen to their political careers if they follow his lead.
By the way, Weiss is such a horses ass that he's not even having a 'going away party,' not even a 'hold you nose' recognition ceremony from his fellow clowncilmembers. Weiss is so hated that he knows he's finished. So come on, seize the moment and show the politicians that you mean business.
9:45 and 12:11 show the low-life kind of anti-classy attitude even in victory that Trutanich brings with him.
Far from the hammy "Christian crusade" crapola he fosters on naive old people who believed him, these people combine the worst of Serbian/ Dalmatian ethnic "us vs. them" tribal hatreds (if you liked Milan Slobovics the war criminal who had a doctorate but was a cold-hearted murdering bastard to the "Enemy" -- heads on a pole rhetoric is just a giveaway -- you'll LOVE the Nooch).
These people are the ones already making back-room deals in pedro, and they're like a cancer in the body politic: they believe they ALL won as part of the tribe and will fight even dirtier than so far to hang on tooth and nail.
The utter, sociopathic lack of grace towards those not fooled by their Uncle Nooch, who dared vote for someone else or at least NOT for him; their viciousness even toward "friends" who dare question their phony demagoguery once in a while, the utter lack of respect for freedom of speech EXCEPT insofar as it gives THEM the "right" to slime: that's your new City Attorney and his supporters. (Cooley being his puppetmaster is either very naive and stupid too or just incredibly cynical -- I know which, and he may be vulgar and crude but he's not naive.
Hold onto your seat belts, it will be a BUMPY ride. Like 9:45 charmingly says, buy BOXES of bandaids and not for "corrupt city officials serving now" -- these two have a Ph. D in pay-to-play and influence peddling -- but for yourselves as your wounded childish beliefs are exposed.)
I'm the idiot who said I voted for Noel Weiss and then nobody. I wasn't smug or smarmy at all and I am definitely not part of the problem. I vote in every election so I'm not the problem at all.
I voted, just not who "you" wanted me to vote for since you are clearly a Jack Weiss hater. If I voted for the losing candidate, then I'm damn sure I did something right because he couldn't raise the money that it cost, but shouldn't to win an election in LA.
If I really want to change the way the council plays fast and lose with the city, then I vote for/against the candidate running for council in my district but I don't vote for a City Attorney hoping to change the way council plays, dumb ass.
I wasn't stupid enough to vote to extend the term limits for council either. Just FTR.
Jackie Autry’s actions are the actions of a “BULLY” ramming into a community to take what is not hers. She uses her NAME AND WEALTH to buy LAWYERS, POLITICIANS AND TRAITORS to help her obtain what she desires.
I LOVE THIS! YOU IDIOTS WHO PUT TOM LA BONGE IN OFFICE DESERVE THIS!
IF YOU VOTED AGAINST TOM LA BONGE, THEN YOU DIDN'T BRING ENOUGH FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TO THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY!
And if you knew anything at all, you would know that Michael Trujillo would not say that he didn't vote for Weiss (like I posted) when chances are extremely good that he did.
xxx
You sure do seem to know a lot about Michael Trujillo. You know what he would and would say. You know who he would and wouldn't vote for. Michael is a behind the scenes guy. You sure do seem to know a lot about him. But I am sure you are not him.
I'm getting sick of Trujillo on this blog.
Time to throw him under the bus, and hard.
His boss is toast and he needs to gain some respect and dignity for others.
Yes, it's time to throw Trujillo under the bus, then drive over him back and forth, until he is too humiliated to even turn on his computer and in so much trouble he'll be demoted even further.
Michael is a despicable lying sack. Hey Higby, let's put an end to this guy's political blogging career once and for all. Let's make Villaraigosa sorry about one more thing.
Michael, it's your turn to have the table turned. You will see how it feels. Hope you only lose work.
This is going to be ugly and unprecedented and everything you have been fearing all along. Today, the reckoning begins. His side just got a little too weak.
8:07 = further demo of what 12:36 said about 12:11 a.m. and 9:45 p.m.
Every time Nooch supporters chime in they drag themselves lower and lower because that's just who they are, they can't help it. Pity this city. But I'll personally be amused to sit by as the councilmembers who also believed his lying spin suck it upto Zine as his enforcer. Mort Allen the Trutanich groupie already said in public comment today that if anyone isn't nice to his BFF Trutanich "he'll have to answer to Zine, but poor Mort is just one of those naive foot soldiers. This is about the dignity of the office and reflects on the dignity of all officials and these Trutanich "friends" are not doing him any favors.
It so much fun poking at the Weiss lovers and seeing how they react every time somebody reminds them that JACK WEISS LOST, and then watching them trot out the same old boring stories about corruption in the Trutanich camp.
It's like Pavlov's dog, the Weissaide drinkers just cannot help themselves.
BRP . . . PUNTS! (Re: the SW Museum and Autry Center)
12:36, I meant that Nooch was going to bite his supporters in the ass and then they'd know...
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