The Post debate spin
So yesterday Tony Villar and Jim Hahn had a debate. And nobody showed up, there were empty seats in the Museum and empty seats in the press box. The number of reporters was much lower than the 1st debate at the Museum of Tolerance.
The Chief was all over the place -- the mood inside the debate was very partisan, pro-villar and pro-hahnistas equally matched.
The most energetic point of the debate was when Jim Hahn said there wasn't much in the e-mails -- then Villar quickly retorted "there's not much in your administration either."
Depending on how you look at it -- most folks believe Hahn needed a homerun, and it appears all he did was safely bunt on to first base. Villar would not let any attack go unchallenged, without reframing the mayor under his own terms.
Villar kept on saying "fresh start" genius to whomever came up with that pivot from the attack on Hahn. "We can't afford four more years of corruption probes and FBI investigations, we need a fresh start."
Hahn's response, "stop using innuendo and rumors". Very weak response.
I am also hearing that Hahn's money problems are getting much worse, not better.
The Chief was all over the place -- the mood inside the debate was very partisan, pro-villar and pro-hahnistas equally matched.
The most energetic point of the debate was when Jim Hahn said there wasn't much in the e-mails -- then Villar quickly retorted "there's not much in your administration either."
Depending on how you look at it -- most folks believe Hahn needed a homerun, and it appears all he did was safely bunt on to first base. Villar would not let any attack go unchallenged, without reframing the mayor under his own terms.
Villar kept on saying "fresh start" genius to whomever came up with that pivot from the attack on Hahn. "We can't afford four more years of corruption probes and FBI investigations, we need a fresh start."
Hahn's response, "stop using innuendo and rumors". Very weak response.
I am also hearing that Hahn's money problems are getting much worse, not better.
Posted by Anonymous @ 4/18/2005 05:47:00 PM
64 Comments:
Poor Chief Parker. You couldn;t leave well enough alone. Mayor Sam comes back and you just have to spin for Antonio cause its looking bad. What ADV people yell at you for not doing anything to help? Just look at all the media today where all reporters are saying Hahn was indeed the winner. Could it possibly be that ADV has lost his little fire? That circus of the same supporters at Canter's was lame.
I was shocked to learn that the Vignali family has a business right in CD14. Coincidence? I don't think so. You would think any smart crook would not have a business right in the same district as the guy you gave money to and wrote a letter getting off your drug dealing son. Reporters should go after that story. Yes, ADV it was 9 yrs ago but seems you've kept the same guilt by association with the family. ADv should be on America's Dumbest Criminals.
Jimmy is running about $30,000 a day since the Primary, on a good day.
Antonio is running a little less than $100,00 a day.
Next filing, May 5th, 5:00 P.M.
Kam's "We'll have enough money" is in doubt. Hard to tell, however, because of Independent Expenditures.
The Unions have kicked in pretty strongly and may do $1,000,000 but no one believes that Miguel will savage Antonio as viciously as Jimmy would like.
More likely the Union money will puff Jimmy, not attack Antonio.
Jimmy needs to reduce Antonio to a convicted dope dealer to win, same as he did last time. No one thinks that will work again, except Kam Kuwata and Bill Carrick. Maybe they are right, but doubtful.
Last debate on Channel 34 only. If Antonio is smart, he throws in a little Spanish here and there.
So far, I haven't heard any sound bites out of Antonio that Jimmy can use effectively. Perhaps that explains Antonio's tendency to play it safe and not give him any on the debates.
Why not play it safe? Look at the lead!
Looks like Antonio's to lose at this point.
"Not much to your administration" was quoted in every paper, and came across as nothing but a cheap shot soundbyte -- didn't DESERVE a response, any more than when the nancy little ADV-lovers here say "you 'haters' need to take a pill."
Hahn's response to it was perfect -nothing, no sniping back with equal gutter crap, just a dignified look that said, "you're not worth the effort little man."
THEN, he told people what WAS in his administration, and how "stagnation" claims by Addled Antonio was as bogus as ADV's promise not to run for mayor.
NOW, should we start in again on "not much in ADV's TWO FULL YEARS of do-nothing councilmanship."
NO completed projects worth spit.
NO attempts of ANY kind to address higher than ever homicide rates.
NO "bringing people together" (what horse manure). CD14 has NEVER been more torn apart, look at this blog's responses, look at the dysfunction cross-town sniping of his neighborhood councils, look at the fact that there's a recall effort (make fun -- fine, did anyone every even TRY and recall "dirty" Pacheco, or nearly indicted Alatore hell no!)
NO delivery on ANY promise made during his run for city council... not ONE.
ADV's claims of "bogus" stagnation, fall flat when compared to the REALITY of death and conflict in his own little piece of the kingdom.
Hahn is a calm, cool professional at these things, who states his case like he's been on the job. ADV comes across like a annoying little brother who wants to play with the big boys, but he JUST can't keep up. Even his voice is "changing" when he tries to get tough.
Wait out the puberty Antonio, then try again. All the campaign money in the world can't make you a big leaguer.
Villaraigosa later talked up his own track record at City Hall, saying he had created 80 neighborhood watch groups, organized more than 6,000 volunteers and brought people together to take back their neighborhoods. THAT IT?????
(He's) chair of the transportation committee," Hahn said. "Did you hear any great transportation plans that have got accomplished while he was a city councilman? No. He said, 'I brought people together.' We need more than rhetoric to run a city."
FYI:
Survey USA had Hahn down 20 plus points. LAT's poll had Hahn down 18 points. THIS JUST IN...Hahn's own internal polls have him down only 4 points. My guess is, Hahn is really down 8-12 points. What does this mean? With the magic of Kam, Carrick and now Fowler, Hahn can make up the ground. With AV peaking too early and Hahn having a strong week, my guess is Hahn pulls it out by 3 points.
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let me have some of what you are smoking.
Harriman-Thena said: "It is quite a puzzlement, really. If Hahn put a fraction of the energy into being Mayor that he puts into running for Mayor, he wouldn't be in so much trouble today."
I'm just going to have to keep doing this, because it's SO easy, and even MORE true...
It is quite a puzzlement, really. If VILLARAIGOSA put a fraction of the energy into being COUNCILMEMBER that he puts into running for Mayor (twice), COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 wouldn't be in so much trouble today.
So which is worse, Hahn down 18 points based on some poll, or CD14 UP 15 homicides, based on the trails on blood on the sidewalk.
...Hahn down 18 points, or a easy DOZEN CD14 projects in "stagnated" limbo since 2003.
...Hahn down 18 points, or several historic cultural TREASURES in CD14 either heading out of the district on the stage coach or in danger of being torn down from neglect.
Hahn down 18 points, or ADV sitting on nearly TWO YEARS worth of district improvement funds, unused and unencumbered, while constiuents beg for peanut handouts.
Hahn is the "deadbeat" daddy of all CMs - taking pennies from his "kid" neighborhood council's piggy banks (each only gets $50K per year), while he sits on $1+ million in under-utilized city funds dating back MORE than two years, and hundreds of thousands of his own over-contributed past campaign funds.
Feeding the neighbor's kids before his own.
Fer Shander!
antonio haters - your hate will set you free.
Free love, free the Chicago 7, free Willy, free delivery, free interest until after Memorial Day!
Arbeit macht frei, little one -- keep working in Tony's Love Camp, and someday, you'll become a REAL LIVE voter!
Where have you been? Hahn is giving Neighborhood Counci;s $100,000 to decide on their own where the streets improvements need to be done. He's putting a NC rep on commissions and meetings. What has Antonio done? Not a damn thing. He doesn't support Neighborhood Councils and in fact hasn't been to a Boyle Heights NC in 2 yrs. I can bet he will flop on that issue as well. ADV took money from his neighborhood councils while sitting on over $300,000. Now we find out he has $1.34 million unused funds and he keeps telling community he has no money. Just compare both records. Media reporting that ADV hasn't accomplished anything as councilman and in fact is just full of wind. He's like a balloon that is beginning to slowly deflate. He's lost his momentum. Don't be surprised at the Univsion debate. Spanish or not that little jerk won't be able to pull it off unless he has a tape recorder behind his ear or handwritten notes inside the palm of his hand
WHOA! 7:01 p.m., more bible-thumping from ADV's atheist socialist throngs... the NERVE:
"If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free"
-- Gospel of St. John [King James (not Hahn) Version]
"If you buy my Rap, and believe me even when 'haters' prove I'm lying, then you are my kool-aid drinkers indeed. And when you get so you won't know my lies from god's honest truth, then I'll be FREE to screw you and all my other 'constituents' six ways from Sabbath"
-- Gospel of St. Tony the "Reformed" [New Spun Version, Revised daily, as needed]
Talk about censorship ADV's people are going around the community getting signatures of who will be attending his public safety meeting. Seems they're afraid the wrong people who have their own opinions and voice them will go and embarrass Antonio. Never heard of a community meeting that you have to rsvp to. AT least ADV is finally having one. Must be because you Anti-ADV people pushed for one.
Here's the info:
Public Safety Meeting-Antonio
Saturday April 30th
9a-12noon, CHARO, 4301 E. Valley Blvd., LA 90032
Not only stiffing the Boyle Heights NC, 8:31 p.m., just this week ADV told his HOME TURF NC (Arroyo Seco) where he lives, SCREW YOU. I don't care how many times you voted unanimously or how many public meetings there were, I'm going to name that improvement project DEAD IN THE MIDDLE of your NC territory whatever I want and what my (fundraising) supporters in that other NC 15 miles away want (even though they NEVER voted on it publicly) . WHY? Because I can. I'm gonna be mayor, and you can kiss me where the sun don't shine if you don't like it.
"Pissy little neighborhood councils, who do they think they are "advising" me, Antonio, with unanimous votes."
What project in Arroyo Seco is that?
One of the INCOMPLETE ONES, of course (what other kind are there under ADV!)
My good friend and neighbor let me borrow her computer to say what I felt. I thank her for letting me use it and showing me how to put down whats on my mind on this place.
The debate had to have been Villaraigosa's weakest moments. I used to support this guy wholeheartedly, I was blind about his record, I believed what he had told me and others. I did my own research, with hesitation, and found out that his record is false. He has no record. I was devastated and the consequence was him losing my vote. His deception is too grand and the people should know the truth of all candidates. The pitfall is that he sold a dream and that dream was like a pyramid scheme, he never had the record to back it up, it was all hyped up. He could not even specifically say what his accomplishments were, or what he specifically had in mind if in office, he was a total nightmare. I was scared for him, and my senior citizen parent who speaks "limited english" said, "He sounds like a broken record."
Antonio sounded like a broken record, that is what an old lady observed from the debate, and I can't believe the Antonio people who work with him could not admit to the failure of this debate. He needs plenty of work and he should start with telling us the truth.
I want to take my mother to his office and protest his job and candidacy.
I allowed my friend to read the posts on this blog, she has been deprogrammed. No longer a AV supporter and is upset. She wants to go to the next council meeting or go to AV's office. People are waking up from their REM and finally engaging themselves in what happens in the community.
What bothers me is this, someone posted the following about Villaraigosa:
"...while he sits on $1+ million in under-utilized city funds dating back MORE than two years..."
Where can I get more information on this. The community needs many things, so how can I find this information, so I can organize some people to look further into this and question our "leader" representative AV as to why he has done this to us. I want to know why is our community stagnant, why did he lie, and where is the money that is for the community, not for him.
The next debate will be seen in person by more people than will watch it on TV; same as the most recent.
The fact is, win, lose or draw, only the faithful give a rat's ass.
So, back to reality.
Money raised and endorsments. Polls.
Jimmy is getting his butt wiped and has nowhere to go.
When the Republian right wingers start supporting Jim, doesn't that give you pause, folks?
Same people that gave you Prop. 187 are asking you to vote for Hahn.
Talk about Kool-Aid.
Sip slowly and enjoy the taste.
Dear Mr. Antonio Villaraigosa,
I am positive you read these posts, and I know that Ace Smith, Parke Skelton, and the other people in your staff read these blogs too. I am taking this opportunity to ask you this:
WHERE IS THE MONEY? WHY HAVE YOU NOT ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY YOU SERVE? I WANT TO PROTEST YOUR YOUR POSITION AS CM AND YOUR LIES, SO DO I HAVE TO RSVP TOO AS OTHERS ARE DOING? ARE YOU GOING TO SEND A HENCHEMEN TO FIX ME BECAUSE I MIGHT HURT YOU BY SHOWING UP, PLEASE TELL ME AV, WHERE IS THE MONEY.
"...ADV took money from his neighborhood councils while sitting on over $300,000. Now we find out he has $1.34 million unused funds and he keeps telling community he has no money..."
To everyone else that is not AV or his staff, I apologizing for using CAPS, but I want to yell at him so bad, that this is the most I can do at this time, until the safety meeting.
Just so there is no confusion on what I meant, when I posted the comment below, the part "ARE YOU GOING TO SEND A HENCHEMEN TO FIX ME BECAUSE I MIGHT HURT YOU BY SHOWING UP" the word "hurt is meant hurting his campaign by being present and voicing my opinions. In no way is it meant as physical harm, just so the AV supporters do not take it out of context.
WHERE IS THE MONEY? WHY HAVE YOU NOT ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY YOU SERVE? I WANT TO PROTEST YOUR YOUR POSITION AS CM AND YOUR LIES, SO DO I HAVE TO RSVP TOO AS OTHERS ARE DOING? ARE YOU GOING TO SEND A HENCHEMEN TO FIX ME BECAUSE I MIGHT HURT YOU BY SHOWING UP, PLEASE TELL ME AV, WHERE IS THE MONEY.
FROM MEAT:
Come one, come all I really hope you wackos from Waco who claim to not like Antonio and sit here on this blog and spread lies -- please protest!
PLEASE PROTEST EVERYDAY UNTIL ELECTION DAY!
PASS OUT FLIERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY AGAINST ANTONIO!
SUPPORT THE RECALL!
You Waco weirdos can go head and do whatever you please, listen to your David Koresh tapes and mix the kool-aid because the day Antonio becomes mayor many of you guys will hopefully leave the City of LA, County of LA, gosh i even hope you leave this state.
Your either a racist or an idiot pretending to be one.
Vote for Hahn, give money to Hahn, it pleases me to know your money is going down a craphole going nowhere.
Whew! Sounding crazy is tougher than i thought. Maybe i should take the medication you guys take to sound just as crazy.
blog away you ritalin taking dum-dums
Iknow who you are and where you live. I know your family.
Keep it up and you'll be on welfare with Nick Pacheco and the rest of the deadbeats in my district.
I've had enough of you and your whining and sniveling. Stand up and identify your miserable selves and your proof or shut up.
You issue challenges, here's mine.
Show yourself and show me how brave you are, wimp.
Anon 10:34, who are you talking to from this entire blog?
???
clarify please, I'm curious.
I just watched the news coverage of today's AV endorsement. So where is this huge support AV claims to have that know him, about him, and agree with his vision. All I saw was AV eating a cookie while making gestures at a small child that an adult was carrying. When he began to speak, the camera scanned the are and all I saw there were AV his endorsers and the people viewing them were a couple of people from the news. There were about 4 or 5 regular people there, but looked very lonely. AV has a vision so powerful that no one bothers to show up. AV must be very disappointed.
10:34 ANON
Relax, there's still four more weeks to go. Think you can hang, it's only going to get worse for Tony. Your frustration must stem from discovering that all Tony and Parke did was build a house of cards. If you know who we are, why do you need us to identify ourselves. You know where we live, just come on by.
Hello Anon 10:34,
It's difficult to grasp that AV has been deceitful to us, and now that you have read the blogs and to have found out very negative truths about AV. All I know is that the CD14 can survive without AV, because we have been trying to do this for the past 2 years.
Remember that your voice is stronger than violence when it comes to politics. Violence is a cheap socialistic way of doing things, always against accountability, but voicing your opinions is your given right and a lovely piece of freedom that we have. So take advantage of your freedom and voice your opinions, but the violence rhetoric you are showing makes it look cheap, be better than your boss AV, tell him what you think and do good for your community. He is not worth it!
"Iknow who you are and where you live. I know your family...
Show yourself and show me how brave you are, wimp."
This is the type of AV ethical supporters behave, by threats. They learned well from the MASTER of blackmail, threats, conflict of interest negotiations for endorsemtns, and lies lies lies...
"You learned very well young master" this is what AV must say as he pats your head with one of his pretty calendars.
AV, what type of volunteers and employees do you have? I know many are from the racist MECHA group who promote "the Aztlan agenda" then you have the socialist is masks, and finally the pathological liars, which includes you. You have your Vignali thugs tearing up signs in the area, and all of a sudden you have no meetings in ELA headquarters on 1st St. Your "own" people do not believe you and you do not want the media to find that out, you really choose the right people to be around with, but what is bad is the innocent people that you lured into the cave of sin and corrupt politician activities.
MEAT used to try and defend ADV's record, now he's just given up -- gone back to yelling taunts like a madman (saying that others are crazy and on drugs)... sas, said little cultist so in love with Tony and in hate with Hahn, can't produce a complete sentence of support for his hero anymore.
Why bother, even your other cult buddies have given up, too.
Now the angry neglected people of CD14 at banging on Antonio's blog, and that Hare Villaraigosa hosts can't figure out how to convince them to swallow the spin.
Has there been a more divisive political character in L.A. in the past 40 years that ADV -- this guy who brings people together?
What a laugh that is.
I've said it before, people who oppose ADV openly learn very quickly not to "show they're faces" -- there ins't a more vindictive pol in the state.
Burned Hertzberg's chances of being mayor over some past slight.
Trying to burn Hahn for embarrassing him 4 years ago.
WIll go on the try and burn Cedillo for supporting Hahn.
Someone PLEASE tell me WHY all the politicians in the city who KNOW ADV best WON't support him. His endorsements come from people who sat across assembly chambers from him a 6-8 years ago, or only know him slightly.
Most who work with him now, or have tried to in CD14 are on the OTHER side from him (and the bloggers here - stuck with him either ways after May 17, are SMART to remain anonymous). You know him, Too.,
To KNOW Antonio. . . is the love ANYONE running against him!
Hey MEAT:
Why don't you tell your boss, "the consensus builder", to put his rhetoric into action. Jefferson High School in south L.A. has just had their second race riot in one week. Blacks against Mexicans or Mexicans against Blacks - just want to be PC. All Tony has to offer by way of accomplishments is that he has "brought people together." Brought people together to do exactly what? The drug dealer down the block in my Boyle Heights neighborhood brings people together too. Tell Tony to put his money, or his donors money, where his mouth is. Go down to Jefferson and preach your brown/black alliance. Take Maxine and Parks also - let's see how that plays out.
This Saturday at the Public Safety Meeting-Antonio Saturday April 30th 9a-12noon, CHARO, 4301 E. Valley Blvd., LA 90032 as someone posted earlier brings an important event in local politics. Very grassroots situation where AntiVillaraigosa constituents and pro villaraigosa people will show up and be part of a safety meeting. For the people that are anti Villaraigosa, it will be a chance to finally tell AV to his face what we think as a community and ask those questions he evades daily from media,community, and most importantly everyone that was deceived by the "so called Energetic AV."
I was hearing all this stuff about him being supported because of his energy, he looked burned out at the debate.
You guys are fools if you think Parke will let Tony show up at that event. Why do you think he took Steve Lopez to Beverly Hills to have his lunch. Remember in 2001 when Henry Cisneros came to town to have a press conference for Tony - couldn't even get out the door because of all the protestors.
Meat-nonymous at 10:14 said:
"When the Republian right wingers start supporting Jim, doesn't that give you pause, folks? Same people that gave you Prop. 187 are asking you to vote for Hahn."
Two years ago, Tony V. was lying through his teeth to get those EXACT same votes in CD14. His slime campaign hacks paid $thousands$ to have Antonio featured in a mailer that had GEORGE BUSH'S PICTURE on the front and said SUPPORT THE REAGAN REVOLUTION. It was a TRICK to make uninformed rightwingers in Northeast L.A. think that GW HIMSELF was endorsing Villaraigosa over Pacheco.
When his left wing supporters find out -- first they said "OH IT'S A DIRTY TRICK from his opponent," Then they were shown the official records of campaign expenditure reports for "Reagan-boy" Antonio, and it showed that they had paid XX Thousand dollars to an ORANGE COUNTY company , even the check was made out to SUPPORT THE REAGAN REVOLUTION.
What Reagan Revolution is Antonio supporting? Putting millions of homeless on the street?
His "progressive" homies asked "how can you do that" align you name with REAGAN -- and Tony and his campaign people said "OH, EVERYONE does it."
Every race he runs in it laced with lies and deception. He isn't running for YOU, people, he's running for TONY, only.
SO, please do "JOIN THE REAGAN/VILLARAGOSA Revolution all over again (and yell at real Republicans for voting for Hahn for what he HAS done to help the city).
I guess I'll be making some calls to AV staff about Sat. Meeting. Does Av have office hours at any of his campaign office locations. Where can we visit?
Go to this site:
http://www.mayorno.com/
This comment found at http://www.mayorno.com/MolinaCozyWithCarreon.html
"He is the former web master of anti-Semitic "Nation of Aztlan" and presently the publisher of "La Voz de Aztlan," (The Voice of Aztlan), a vicious anti-Semitic on-line publication. He is a Chicano separatist who calls California "Alta California." He admires leaders like Yassar Arafat and Fidel Castro. He considers Israel's defense against terrorism as immoral, and Hamas' suicide bombings that target Israeli civilians, as noble. His editorial, Anthrax Terrorists May Be Zionists was reprinted by the "Syria Times" October, 2001, and portrayed by the Arab world as a credible piece of news. A follow-up article was also posted FBI Closes in on Anthrax Terrorist -- Prime Suspect is a Zionist"
Where can you visit Antonio?
How much money you got?
He was supposed to be dedicating a parks project in the district next week in NELA, but his DOOFUS staff screwed up the paperwork to get it approved by City Council this week. AGAIN.
They know there's an undercurrent of rage building, however. He may have given his OLD calendars to media, but he's being very careful now about future campaign and district appearances, and only KNOW supporters are being invited.
Not EVEN in office (except CM, but THAT doesn't count), and he's already in a bunker/siege mentality that people accuse Hahn of... By May 17 he's only be appearing on closed circuit TV from the back of a van, with armed guards outside.
Little tyrant...
This is important, only partial post, you may go to link to get full story.
"...Antonio Villaraigosa knew, when he was endorsed by Los Angeles County Supervisor, Gloria Molina, that she was cozy with Anti-Semite separatist Hector Carreon, the publisher of La Voz de Aztlan, but he thought that no one else knew..."
http://www.mayorno.com/MolinaCozyWithCarreon.html
Anon 12:46
So you mean to tell me that his calendars mean CRAP! That he turned in calendars that are not consistent or relevant to what he actually does.
This is like turning in a plagarized term paper, just copy it. No new information. He is going to get majorly busted with this bunker mentality that you just mentioned. How can he hide from his constituents?
Found at
http://www.mayorno.com/promises.html
PROMISES, PROMISES -- ALL WE GET IS PROMISES
Antonio Villaraigosa broke his promise to his constituents that he would stay as council member for the full four year term ending in 2007, by not running for mayor. Villaraigosa claims that it really wasn't a broken promise because those same constituent put pressure on him to run for mayor.
Now it turns out that Villaraigosa has filed an intent to run for Gil Cedillo's senate district 22 seat when that position is up for re-election in 2006, before his council term is over. Are we to suppose that his constituents put pressure on him again for a backup plan just in case he loses the mayor's race?
You dummies- don't you know that every politician is looking ahead to the next election ahead of this one. This is why they set-up campaign committees far in advance. You know this stuff yet you throw it out there like something is wrong in doing that. Hahn's re-election chances are toast- and all you can do is snipe in jealousy of Antonio's lead in the polls. Until you have something of ****REAL**** substance, don't post anything more to this blog.
To get the full story go to,
http://keepstuff.homestead.com/WhoDoesVillaraigosaHangOutWith.html
Antonio Villaraigosa judges others by those with whom they associate. He often utters this popular Spanish saying to his followers:
"Dime con quien andas y te diré quien eres"
Translation:
"Tell me with whom you hang out, and I will tell you
So let's see with whom Antonio Villaraigosa hangs out:
Gloria Molina-"Our vote is gonna be important, but I gotta tell you, there's a lot of people that are saying, I'm gonna go out there and vote because I wanna PAY THEM BACK"
Art Torres-"We need to concentrate and help those organizations like one stop with Juan Jose Gutierrez and ... Americana with
Bert Corona, any organization that helps make citizens. Power is not given to you, you have to take it! People say to me when I was on the senate floor when I was in the senate, why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs. And I tell my white colleagues: because you're gonna need them. Remember, 187 is the last gasp of white America."
Jose Angel Gutierrez-"There are those who are saying they're concerned because we are Latinizing Los Angeles, that there are too many Mexicans here, we're the biggest..., that we're the biggest national security threat to the United States. I love it! Estan cagando cabrones miedo (The bastards are shitting with fear). I love it!"
Gilbert Cedillo-Interviewer: "These people (illegal aliens) are here to stay, they're not going away?"
Cedillo: "There's no question about it, they were here first, they're here now, they're fully integrateded into the economy. I don't think we want them to leave."
Mario Obledo-"We're going to take over all the political institutions of California, in five years, we're going to be the majority population in this state. California is going to be a Hispanic state and anyone who doesn't like it should leave" and "Well, if they (Anglos) don't like Mexicans they ought to leave. They ought to go back to Europe."
How about you start us out political "pro" at 1:04 a.m., maybe you can give us "something of ****REAL**** substance"`that Antonio Villaraigosa has started an completed (or even just COMPLETED), in two years as a highly paid city employee.
Every ADV-lover on the blog has tried it at one time or another (never providing proof), and the big bad "haters" just keep shooting them down.
Give us one ****REAL**** example of a Tony acomplishment for his district, with proof, that wasn;t actually someone else's idea or plan he jumped in on last minute.
(And that don't count his filling out the forms for the next two jobs he wants).
Yes, most politicians ARE looking ahead to the next election, that's to be expected.
SO, that's what his consituents knew and were thinking when they asked ADV, at 30-50 different campaign stops, are you just "looking ahead" - will your jumo `ship
NO, said Antonio, I will serve as CM for at least one full term!
Nothing else he's said since matters -- all promises as CM, and as a mayoral candidate may not be considered lies, because the truth is NOT in him.
(His constituents DID not ask him to run for mayor, at least not a significant number - unless you count his staff and campaign organizers -- I don't!)
Villaraigos is in bed with the gangs!
Eres un politico sucio, I spit on you, your trash!
Oh, oh, oh! He called me basura.
Cuts me to the quick.
Oh, oh, oh!
He called me basura.
I am cut to the quick.
"Cuts me to the quick"
I haven't heard that line since 101 Dalmations - the cartoons. Is that what Tony is reosrting to now, Disney cartoons for defense quotes. How about this one: "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, my wife is not at home...."
The money is not coming in for Jimmy; he is back calling his previous givers trying to find a way to get more out of them.
I guess he has a short memory. He's forgotten the guys who have already been convicted (Mark Alan Abrams)for masking contributions and the guys who are still awaiting trial (Pierce O'Donnell).
Hey Jimmy, it is ILLEGAL to do that, you know, against the laws you were so quick to support when you already had all the money in the bank and everyone else had to go out and try and raise it under the new rules.
Don't worry, Kam Kuwata will take an I.O.U. from the campaign committee. He can collect it after you win re-election and get the balance of your funding.
The thing is, you just have to win.
To Anonymous 4/18/2005 6:13Pm
Try more like TWO million dollars the unions are putting towards ensuring the Mayors re-election success. Labor is not happy with Tony. He has stabbed them in the back as of recent. Voting against the LaX project that would produce more union jobs. Most recently selling himself to downtown building owners for three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, while SEIU is trying to organize the security guards from downtown into their SEIU union. Those be fighting actions. Tony will never have the same relationship with labor unions. Kiss your base good bye baby!!!
Everyone is relying on the LA Times poll. The LAT is one of the most bias newspapers and now is drastically losing money because people are canceling. Antonio is trying to control that comunity meeting on April 30th. His moronic staff is going around getting signatures and saying you have to RSVP. They want to keep the constituents who have valid complaints out. Again, this is ADV way.
My GOD, what will happen to Tony is someone asks a DIRECT question and expects a DIRECT answer?
Can he blame that on "haters" too.
The unions may be mad at Antonio, but they can't beat him, so they better plan on joining him.
The harder they fight, the tougher it is going to be on them in the coming eight years.
Miguel is no fool; look for a double reverse, handoff, lateral, Statue of Liberty play.
Jimmy will be asleep in San Pedro when it happens...
Anon 12:20 PM
Your scare tactics will no longer work! Go use them on Corina Villaraigosa, where do you think information comes from his enemies, look aruond his circle.
You Hahn=hating bozos really do have some problem with him going home to San Pedro don't you. What happened didn't he invite you home for milk and cookies after the employee party?
His "home" is mentioned 5X as often as Antonio's hillside hideway in CD14, in the richest part of the district. Granted he probably doesn't "sleep" there as often as some other places (and how the HELL does he sleep? Man must have NO conscience).
Since everybody (or somebody) seems intent on posting all this bullshit from americanpatrol, let's review who they are. Here's a little blurb from the Southern Law and Poverty Center, a group that tracks hate groups like American Patrol/Voices of Citizens Together:
Voices of Citizens Together/American Patrol
Sherman Oaks, Calif.
www.americanpatrol.com
Glenn Spencer, one of the hardest line anti-immigrant ideologues now operating, founded the Voices of Citizens Together (VCT, which is also known, like his web site and radio show, as American Patrol) in 1992.
In 1994, VCT lobbied hard for passage of California's controversial Proposition 187, which would have denied educational and other benefits to illegal immigrants and their children. (Although it passed, 187 was later thrown out by the courts.)
Four years later, Spencer claimed 3,500 subscribers to the VCT newsletter. Spencer takes a hard line on immigration, demanding that the armed forces seal America's southern border. He also displays a bigoted and vulgar side quite openly.
On his web site, he attacks Mario Obledo, a leading Latino activist and recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, as "Pinche [literally, fucking] Cockroach and 1998 Asshole of the Year." A cartoon character is depicted urinating on Obledo's picture.
Spencer posts dozens of immigration-related articles but replaces the words "illegal immigrant" with "illegal alien," among other editing touches. In a 1996 letter to The Los Angeles Times, Spencer wrote: "The Mexican culture is based on deceit. Chicanos and Mexicanos lie as a means of survival."
He posts material on his site from such men as H. Millard, an infamous columnist for the racist Council of Conservative Citizens who once bemoaned the "slimy brown mass of glop" that immigration and interracial relationships were making of the U.S. population.
Spencer sent every member of Congress a copy of his videotape — "Bonds of Our Nation" — that purports to prove the Mexican government and Mexican-Americans are plotting to take over the American Southwest and create the nation of Aztlán. Hand-delivering the videos was Betina McCann, the fiancé of neo-Nazi Steven Barry.
On a weekly radio show that airs in several cities, Spencer has hosted a series of guests like Kevin McDonald, a professor who accuses Jews of devising an immigration policy specifically intended to dilute and weaken the white population of America.
To Anonymous 4/19/2005 @ 12:20PM
Are you fucken kidding or just stupied!! The unions made Antonio. They don't need him. He needs them. The unions see him as being disloyal by his actions. You think Tony is vindictave, you don't know labor. Who the fuck is Miguel Contreras! Yes he is the face of labor. The puppet of labor just like a politition,but he's NOT the boss or shot caller. It's the big Union boss's(who by the way are mostly white men) Who call the shots.Like I said KISS YOUR BASE GOOD BYE BABY!!!
Temper please.These ADV lovers really get angry I think cause they know ADV is such a screw up he lost it coming so close in 2001 there's a good chance he'll do it again. Now, that media knows he has no record and they're going after the substance the community is calling and telling them ADV lovers are worried.
Sounds like your kind of people, Lu-Cipher. Are you outing ALL your racist buddies in honor of the new Pope, or just the WHITE racists?
Sorry, let me PC that... are you also outing people of color who
are "intolerant of or prejudicially disposed against those not of the same race or ethnicity."
!"
Daily News Poll Page 2 Monday April 19th:
The question was straight forwad.
Will you vote for Antonio Villariagosa?
39% Yes
61% No
Do I smell trouble in the Valley.
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