The 3 signs your campaign is over
ONE
You claim on fundraising "we will have enough money to get our message out." This usually means you are not able to raise enough money, (30k a day isn't enough) and that your campaign has been abandoned by the donors.
TWO
Your campaign claims that the only poll that matters is the one on election day. Survey USA has Tony up by 32 points, LA Times had Tony up by 18 points. Tony's internals had him up by 20 points, other polls have him up 16 points. This week Jim Hahn was out in the field polling -- yet when reporters asked him about the numbers, they deny a poll exist. Perhaps because the one that matters is the one on election day.
THREE
Your campaign claims it's got the best field organization out there and that the field component will win the campaign. The best field can do is give you a 3-5% bump (this of course assumes your opposition has no field). Reports from the LA Times claims that on a regular weekend Tony Villar has over 1,000 volunteers citywide working and walking the neighborhoods.
Perhaps with the the addition of Donnie Fowler the Hahn campaign can turn things around, but so far they are not giving the quotes winning campaigns say.
You claim on fundraising "we will have enough money to get our message out." This usually means you are not able to raise enough money, (30k a day isn't enough) and that your campaign has been abandoned by the donors.
TWO
Your campaign claims that the only poll that matters is the one on election day. Survey USA has Tony up by 32 points, LA Times had Tony up by 18 points. Tony's internals had him up by 20 points, other polls have him up 16 points. This week Jim Hahn was out in the field polling -- yet when reporters asked him about the numbers, they deny a poll exist. Perhaps because the one that matters is the one on election day.
THREE
Your campaign claims it's got the best field organization out there and that the field component will win the campaign. The best field can do is give you a 3-5% bump (this of course assumes your opposition has no field). Reports from the LA Times claims that on a regular weekend Tony Villar has over 1,000 volunteers citywide working and walking the neighborhoods.
Perhaps with the the addition of Donnie Fowler the Hahn campaign can turn things around, but so far they are not giving the quotes winning campaigns say.
Posted by Anonymous @ 4/16/2005 10:04:00 PM
178 Comments:
"The 3 signs your campaign is over"
ONE, TWO, & THREE
When your name is Antonio Villaraigosa and people find out that your fundraising $$$$$ and events hosted for you come from the criminals you helped out of prison. All the lies you tried covering up are exposed, and many more coming to a debate near you...that's if Mr. V. can handle his temper after the world knows his tarnished agenda and background. CON MAN
Once again, the Villaraigosa haters try to morph a post and change the thread back to CD 14 politics. This post is about the numbers, not about petty bickerings.
As I said in an earlier blog, "When one discovers that the horse one is riding is dead, the recommended procedure is to dismount."
The failure to score in the polls and raise money are, of course, related.
All the mismanagement of four years is coming back to haunt Hahn; especially the corruption in his adminstration has taken a huge toll on the willingness of people not only to vote for him, but to campaign and raise and donate money.
This race is not about four years ago - it is about the last four years.
If our Mayor had lent as much energy to managing the City as he is now lending to his filthy, mudslinging tactics and sliming of his opponent, perhaps things would be different.
If he had fired Troy Edwards early, when people were telling him about the corruption, or fired Ted Stein early when he defied all rules and tried to intimidate staff to choose campaign donors for lucrative contracts, or fired Fleishman-Hillard, led by Doug Dowie early when they overcharged the City by millions to run a PR campaign for him personally, or fired Leland Wong early when he intimidated and levered City contractors for his own benefit, then maybe things would be different.
But he didn't. He let them run amok until he was forced to terminate them due to State and Federal Grand Jury investigations, and still claims "Nothing has been proven"; what a farce.
This City has been rudderless for four long years. The polls and the fundraising are mere reflections of the feelings of the citizens who have had to stand by helplessly as the looting and incompetance took place in front of their eyes.
On May 17th, the real poll will take place. The result will be reflective of the existing polls, except of course, that the numbers will diminish as the time nears that ominous date for Mayor Hahn.
Abe Lincoln was right; all of the people cannot be fooled all of the time.
Unfortunatley for the city ADV only has to "fool" 51 percent of the likely voters for a few more weeks. (And that's NOT about CD14 or 4 years ago - that's about current realities and sad twisted devotion to a candidate who only exists in people's fantasies, never in the reality of his "accomplishments.")
Their patter says, "he going to win, get used to it," when they should be waking up from the political ruffies and saying, "we're getting used BY him, or else he could NEVER win). It really is like hundreds of thousands of people in this city were slipped a date rape drug by ADV's campaign spinners, and they're unconscious to their sickness).
The BIGGEST lie of all is when ADV-lovers try to spin that pointing out their candidate is dishonest, incompetent, and has nothing even resembling character is "hate" and petty bickerings. But there's nothing petty about saying "where's the BEEF, what has he done, and WHY is there no PROOF?)
The BIGGEST irony (or is it a TRAGEDY?) is when an ADV-lover IS SO badly blinded by hero-worship and lovesickness that they would ACTUALLY attempt to quote HONEST Abe, to discuss horribly, habitually and patholigically DISHONEST Tony.
Sick, sick, sick!
Look at ADV's record (or lack of one) and not his pretty face, little sorority girls. This "bad boy" crush you've all got on him is going to leave the city barefoot, pregnant, and alone in the end. And as CD14 found out the hard way, there is no "support" to follow.
We know Chief Parker and all the other ADV-lovers would like to believe that Jessica Garrison (whose been singing ADV's priases all along) is the "fat lady" warming up again, but ADV lost this election in the last 2 weeks in 2001, and there's 4 weeks to go in this one.
Once a loser, citywide, always a loser. This isn't San Francisco. . . yet.
Or, the People's Republic of Santa Monica!
MIA Sam - letting the wolves guard the henhouse again.
Villaraigosas people may SAY they're`not getting complacent, but his supporters are (look at CHIEF).
They only POST the survey USA poll on their site, which shows the unbelievable lead from the Primary's WORST poll ever. Just inviting their voters to stay home -- it "won't even be close."
Good, people still stupid anough to believe Tony's lies after seeing him steal his CM paychecks for 2 years while running everything BUT his district deserve to be left out of the final voting. Save it for people who have their eyes open, and not the brains empty and hearts full of mush.
Talking about ADV's failed record since 2003 is NOT morphing the subject. His inability to do the work of the city in the area he asked to be responsible IS THE ONLY TOPIC that should be discussed about him now, weaks before many people want to "promote" him to lead the whole city.
His most recent facilures are the MOST relevant to the current vote. WHAT could be more relevant? Assembly? L.A. mayor's office is not a legislative body? Teachers Union? Mayor is not a union organizer. Running Kerry's failed campaign? That's a double NO! Stealing "big ideas" from other people and claiming they are your own? Not until you can COMPLETE one?
Closest to the Mayor's job in L.A. is being on City Council, and ADV has been MIA from sessions, committees, policy issues, and district service.
MIA = MISSING IS ANTONIO! (always)
Wow!
If the anti-Antonios are so exorcised now, imagine May 18th!!
Save your Prozac guys, you'll need it on the 18th.
Like the man said "Get over it"
The fat lady is in fine voice these days, she can read the polls, the headlines and the campaign reports.
Wouldn't want to be Jimmy these last four weeks, would you?
Wouldn't want to live in CD 14 either, not with a bunch of whiners like are on this blog.
OK, blog away dum-dums. Let's hear about Antonio stealing from the church baskets and raping the choir boys...
I have just ascertained the answer to a question that I have posed to many, but to which I have been unable to get an answer, even from the anti-Villaraigosas who inhabit this site and profess to know everything.
The next filing in this election is due May 5, 2005, at 5:00 P.M..
All candidates view this as a kind of a "report card" to the voting populace as to just how well they are doing in the campaign.
Of course, it does have practical ramifications as well; it is that money that is used to buy ads, billboards, mailers, and pay staff to organize and run neighborhood walks, etc.
I'd say that all eyes are on Jimmy Hahn for May 5. Kam Kuwata, who has been spinning almost as fast as the resumes are flying out of Room 300 has said that "...the Hahn campaign will have enough money",
I guess his contributors have heard Kam, as they seem to be drying up or leaving for parts unknown until after the election.
Remember, May 5. Another signal day in the life of Jim Hahn.
Channel 7 reported yesterday that Hahn's numbers are going up because CRIME is down in the city. Intersting that Antonio's CM record hasn't even come out yet. When it does the voters will see how the hell would they want a candidate who can't take care of his own business in his district. C'mon MEAT post Antonio's accomplishments here again and DON'T post crap that he opposes as one of them. When the truth that he LIED about creating 80 neighborhood watches comes out it will show the VOTERS he's a LIAR from day one. Yes, you ADV lovers will say we're whining. It goes to character. Oh and let's not forget ADV had to leave the STATE to go get money from Cubans. IF he was so on top of the world here in LA why did he have to leave LA?
I have to respond to all this shit being thrown around in here from the Antonio haters regarding John Kerry.
1. 38% of hispanics voted for Bush. That's the record but let's face it, that's still not very good.
2. Antonio was never running hispanic out reach for the Kerry team.
3. Antonio was running Kerry's California campaign. All things considered, he did a fantastic job. Kerry put ZERO money into California and only came to our state on ATM runs. Most of the volunteers and activists in California left the state for surrounding swing states. Yet despite having almost no resources invested here, Kerry won by 11%. He received the most votes ever in California Election history. And his percentage, 55%, was the highest won by a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964. Mind you, when Nixon was blowing out McGovern in 72', the native Californian mustered 55% of the vote in California. So now that some of you Antonio haters are now trying to blame Antonio for a another miserable and nightmaring four years of Bush is just stupid. In fact, considering the results, I think it proves Antonio's political competence.
I wonder why this site became Anti-Hahn. This site has posted in the past:
Parks uses the Race Card
Hertzberg-ADV Shaping Up for a Runoff
Latest Tony Spam....of course we are going to bash Tony but we needed to get his latest spam
Is Antonio Really That Stupid... Antonio probably made the dumbest remark when McIntyre was discussing the impact of illegal immigration on crime. Tony Villar said that illegal immigration has nothing to do with gang crime and the 18th street gang (most of whom's members are in the country without documentation). He said to even suggest such is inflammatory
Poster you just made the perfect argument of what we've been saying.
Antonio was running Kerry's California campaign. He should have been doing his damn job. Our tax dollars should not have been paying for his ass to be helping Kerry. He was elected to do a job in his district. You just admited he was doing another job and not for his district. Thanks
8.52. Kerry would have won California, no matter what. Villaraigosa won an election to represent the people of the 14th Council District not run Kerry's California campaign. Villaraigosa is unable to concentrate on anything other than campaigning. If he wins, in 2 years we will see a lot of headlines, a lot of travelling, a lot of grandstanding, but no accomplishments. Or if we do, he will simply complete what Mayor Hahn has already put in place.
There is no better example of this than in a recent exchange of emails between Villaraigosa's chief of staff and the former council member for CD14, Nick Pacheco. The documents show very clearly that Villaraigosa has done very little in the 14th council district and that he, through his chief of staff, is (surprise, surprise) claimimg credit for the work done by Pacheco and also misleading the people of CD14 by distributing false informatiom.
Wake up Chief Parker. In today's Daily News.
A poll done for Assemblyman Mark Ridley-Thomas and the voter project shows black voters are evenly divided between Hahn and Villaraigosa, with 20 percent undecided.
No doubt in my mind he made the call. Villaraigosa was the first elected official to write a letter on Vignali’s behalf. The Congressional Report states that Villaraigosa admitted failing to investigate the case fully even though he stated in a letter to the White House otherwise.
The report also said the prosecutor in the Vignali case received phone calls from whom he believed to be elected officials in Los Angeles trying to persuade him to drop the case.
Anon 8:52 AM
"I have to respond to all this shit being thrown around in here from the Antonio haters regarding John Kerry."
Do not pimp your "hispanic" go getter to us, DNC reps must be questioning Mr. V's importance to the party...
I used the term "hispanic" because this is the way he pimped himself to us in the Kerry Campaign. What happened to "Candidate of All People?"
DNC did not gain from him, they just did a bad merge. It's ok, keep getting these criminal politicians on your payroll, the Republican party is the only one to benefit...Fight amongst yourselves.
Anon 8:52 AM
"I have to respond to all this shit being thrown around in here from the Antonio haters regarding John Kerry."
Here's a multiple choice question for you:
Tony was the co-chair of Kerry's campaign because:
A. He's a brilliant mind
B. To keep Teresa company
C. His outstanding organization
D. Because he's a beaner
Dance around it all you want, Tony, along with the other Lainto lowlife Henry Cisneros, where on Kerry's campaign to do one thing, and one thing only - get out the Latino vote. Well the vote did come out, and guess for who? Bush may have gotten only 38% of the Latino vote, a far cry from what Gore and Clinton got, but that was enough to push him over the top. Bush only won by 3 million votes. Kerry sure could have used that Latino vote.
Tony failed miserably and Latinos are still registering as Republicans in record numbers. Thanks to Tony, a whole generation of Latino democrats is lost and Karl Rove is well on his way to getting that Republican majority.
Point taken Lev, but the post was written by a beaner, if anyone I guess I am entitled to use that phrase. It's not as offensive as you think, Brits are still called limeys, right. And why, because they ate limes on their ships. Well, Mexicans eat beans, possibly the most nutritious food on this continent. But don't despair, people of color have always managed to take negative terms and turn them into positives. Black became a power word for African Americans, the "n" word became a standard in rap music, Chicano at one time meant lowest of the low (not completely MEchicano, but Chicano) and this became a power term for the movement. And George Lopez, Cheech Marin and scores of other Latino comedians have surely used turned the word beaner into a profit making venture.
Don't get too caught up in the terminology, that's what Tony wants to use so that he can raise more money. Maybe you can help me out, I couldn't think of any derogatory terms that Jews have embraced as their own. As a professor once told me, "taking a put down and turning it into a term of empowerment and identification is like taking the knife away from an assailant and using it on him." Living in the multicultural capitol of the world, we should really be less sensitive into the hidden meaning of all these words. Ever notice that when two individuals of a different race or culture take their friendship to a different level is when they make light of stereotypes attributed to that particular race or culture. It's just human nature because we don't live in a vaccuum. And humans, by nature, are funny.
We all laugh about the candidates, poke fun at them, call them names.........and forget one thing.
LA is a mess right now in government, services, crime, transportation, education, etc.
Mayor Hahn had four years to make changes.....and what has really happened.
Please don't give me the crap about, well the crime numbers are down.
Crime numbers will be what you make of them and will be dependent upon what time of year you calculate them and most importantly whether your counting the same crimes in the same categories. Want to bet the categories of comparison have extracted certain crimes from them, before being counted in many comparisons. Even if crime is down....so what.....we are still one of the more crime ridden Cities in the United States and the world. Even Bill Bratton, with all his efforts, will tell you it has not been reduce near sufficiently.
So, in my thoughts and feelings, well, it is about time we made a change to see if someone else can bring a different vibrancy, a different effectiveness and a different image to the Mayor's office and henceforth the City.
I would have believed this regardless of the candidate selected in the run off.....except maybe Walter Moore !!!!
Nice guy or not Jimmy has NOT gotten the job done. He has been less effective as Mayor than any of the Mayor's preceeding him was in their first four years and is less effective than the worst of the general managers that he has criticized. Let's see Howe/Hahn, Hahn/Howe, etc, etc, etc. See any similarities?
Anon 2:18pm What do you think this city would be like if Hahn wouldn't have gotten rid Parks? We would have a destroyed LAPD and crime way up like it was when he was chief. You can't blame the mess of this city on Hahn. Blame all the city council members who are yet to do anything positive. They think more of lap dances, silly string, wasting time on presentations, etc. Not like the council members of the good old days.
And poster look up Ameriquest. Antonio was a consultant for them and now they are being investigated. Wonder when that will come out.
9:25 post today-on point, excatly what will happen.
The polls-
Why does everyone in LA take for granted 311?? The Hanh style, get the job done.
Fights for more police. The Hanh style. Even if his rival thinks of himself and politizes it and the issue and works against it.
Issues that could effect the poll.
Today CNN- SPECIAL
Homicide In Hollenbeck CD14th
CNN 3:00 and repeated at5:00 today
Hanh and Villarigiosa talk about the issues today---6:00
KABC
Mayoral Debate today.
6:52 a.m. - I also have a question (really more of a challenge), asked repeatedly for weeks now, that none of the ADV lovers will even acknowledge, let alone address (okay one did "address" it -- by saying I was "insane").
It's simply this: Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar who can't be trusted to do anything he says he'll do. Someone prove me wrong.
And, as far as "insanity" is concerned, if you can't prove that simple statement is wrong, but still insist on voting for the pathological liar (knowing he hasn't yet and won't deliver on any promises). . .
Then, who's the "insane" person?
End of story!
get a life
end of story!
Let's talk issues: Public Safety, Hahn brough in Bratton and crime is down. After School programs, Hahn implemented LA's Best in many middle schools, Hahn has put money into gang reduction programs, LAX, 3rd busiest airport in the World finally will be expanded, Afforable Housing, Hahn started a trust to help hard working families.
Antonio on issues: ZERO. He doesn't have a vision and even the media is reporting all he does is attack Hahn. Never says how he will get money for anything and doesn't have a plan. CNN Special Homicide in Hollenbeck and yet Antonio hasn't said a word. As if it doesn't exist especially cause its in his district. All anyone has to do is compare the records. In 2 yrs Antonio doesn't have anything accomplishments to speak of in a small district. He can't even get motion passed in council. Is this a person you want running the city? I don't think so
ADV is counting on the city as a whole having the same level of hatred for Hahn, and the same degree of "rush to judgement" on the alleged "corruption," as the rabid Hahn-haters on this blog, (most of which rant like he passed over them for a promotion downtown).
If that were the case, Hahn would have already been shot dead in the streets.
Why all the "hate" when you can't prove any wrongdoing, but with the same "mouth" you diss people in CD14 for their "hatred" of a councilman who's NON-doing has been proven repeatedly.
Is it really worse to be accused of doing something wrong in office than to be proven guilty of doing NOTHING in 2 years, like ADV?
Not anywhere where people use logic and behave rationally.
Los Angeles Times, March 2, 2005
Villaraigosa and Hertzberg collected hundreds of thousands from moneyed interests with a stake in business before the Legislature. When gambling was a hot topic, campaign committees controlled by Villaraigosa and Hertzberg took five- and six-figure donations from casino interests. When energy issues came to the fore, power companies made hefty donations.
The two lawmakers mined some of the richest veins for Democrats, including trial lawyers and labor unions. And some of their political patrons provided them with paychecks after they left the Legislature.
Villaraigosa took $832,000 from trial lawyers in a four-year period ending in 2000, according to the Civil Justice Assn., a lobbying group that seeks to limit litigation. He endeared himself to the lawyers by backing legislation in 1999 to lift the $250,000 cap on punitive damages in medical malpractice cases. The bill died in the Senate.
Villaraigosa voted for the 1996 legislation that helped deregulate California's energy market. Committees he controlled accepted $258,000 from power companies, including $18,000 from Enron Corp., the now-bankrupt energy trader blamed for market manipulation that led to shortages in 2000 and 2001
Ameriquest Capital Corp., a target of lawsuits and complaints over its mortgage lending practices, hired Villaraigosa in August 2001 after he left the Assembly.From 1998 to 2000, Ameriquest gave $75,000 to a Villaraigosa-controlled committee. The company paid Villaraigosa at least $10,000 while it worked to blunt proposed consumer legislation in Sacramento and at City Hall.
REPUBLICAN FOR AV
What's worse, people of color calling themselves what they choose to call themselves, even if those terms were conjured up by white america to be derogatory, or having some white republican telling us how offended he is by the actions of people of color.
I believe you need to figure out what racism is in the first place. Racism: any action or activity used by a dominent racial group to suppress another soley on the basis of race. I don't think an African American can keep another African American down by using the "n" word. And I don't believe a Mexican can keep another Mexican down by referring to him as a beaner, wetback or spic. What can keep this African American or Mexican down is your condescending attitude towards them and your lilly white license to know what is best for them. "Moderate republican", isn't that another term for white liberal? If you ask me, white liberals have ben more detrimental to the empowerment movements of people of color than David Duke and his kind - at least we knew where they stood. What has white liberalism gotten peole of color, people like Maxine Waters, Richard Alatorre, and now Tony. It is this same attitude that permeates in the private sector, "Why hire that poor Mexican kid if he is just going to fail? Let's do him a favor and not build up his hopes too high." - That's racism.
Make that TWO responses (from ADV lovers), to date, to this still unanswered challenge:
Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar who can't be trusted to do anything he says he'll do. Someone (ANYONE) prove me wrong.
Response #1 - "you're insane"
Response #2 - "get a life" (at 3:37 p.m. today)
Both colorful and very angry (understandable since the "insane" don't like to have their illusions challenged, especially publicly).
But there you have it. The fact remains: Antonio Villaraigosa MUST be a pathological liar who can't be trusted to do anything he says he'll do.
SO, anyone who supports him without being able to refute that deserves to be among the next victims of those lies - and may well be.
From 2003-2005, the number of victims of ADV's pathology was nearly 300,000 (the residents of CD14). The fact that many aren't aware yet - or don't care somehow - that they've been victimized by that pathology is beside the point.
Next victims?
It never fails:
The ADV-loving fake Republican (who still hasn't answered the question - "which one of ADV's policies jive with your Republicanism?") chides others for doing something that... "reveals a lack of adequate command of the English language."
By then saying, "Clean up you act."
Maybe just you be should clean up you OWN act? (You arrogant, ignorant non-Republican fake).
Here's a quick tip to avoid looking this stupid, people. Check your own spelling and grammar before making comments about other bloggers messages. I'm sure there are typos in my message(s). My point here is about hypocrisy and arrogance (two of Villaraigosa's more sterling qualities), not about perfect use of the language.
How much money does it take to have Villaraigosa talk to you?
Seems to me calling yourself a "Republican" when you support candidates who oppose everything that party stands for is right up there with saying you're a hardcore vegetarian, except you like bacon with your breakfast, pastrami sandwiches for lunch, and a steak for dinner 5-6 times a weak.
But OTHER than that. . . your a "purist."
This Republican doesn’t see much of a difference between the two. Either way, I get a liberal Democrat who will pretend to be “tough on crime,” make sure we all help those who can’t be bothered to help themselves, and continue the form of corruption that is the calling sign of California Democrats.
After Tony wins this election – what difference will it really make? Tony is slightly to the left of Jim – so maybe he can drive business from Los Angeles faster.
5:21 Republican
When you can't really see a difference between the two, I assume because of their policies, that's when you start looking at character. Despite all of Tony's rantings about Hahn corruption, nothing is going to be discovered that ties Hahn directly. Same thing happened in 2003 and Tony's claims of corruption. Last I checked, Pacheco and all those implicated by Tony are all out walking free, not even indicted. If you can't decide, take a look at this Tony quote:
"I think integrity and character are always issues in a campaign, but your private life isn't..."
Antonio Villaraigosa
November 11, 2002
FOX 11 News 10:00 PM edition
Hey Tony, here's some engish lessons for you
char.ac.ter (ker'ek ter) n. 1. all the things that a person does, feels and thinks by which that person is judged as being good or bad, strong or weak, etc.,.
in.teg.ri.ty (in teg're tee) n. 1. the quality of being honest and trustworthy:honesty
From Webster's Student Dictionary pages 141 and 461.
Can't separate the two Tony, and that's going to be your downfall.
In four years (or even two), the difference between a mayor doing things (some good, some questionable -- if ADV claims are to be believed at all), and a "pretend" mayor following his pattern as a "pretend" councilmember would be staggering.
Recent reports from the controller's office show that ADV's CD14 funds have nearly two years worth of certain categories of community improvement funds sitting unused. Meanwhile CD14 communities have been running around with their hands out as if their district was broke -- to private sources, to other jurisdictions (L.A. County, state, federal).
Hahn is trying to funnel more money in to neighborhoods (through NCs, etc), ADV is holding back on what they should have already had parceled out. One CD14 discretionary fund STILL has money in it dating back to 2003 -- unencumbered, unused, and serving no purpose in one of the city's neediest district.
I'm not fond of "tax and spend" liberals much myself, but being saddled with a "tax and horde" one like ADV would only make matters worse.
Pacheco's not only walking "free" he just ratted out the "hording" (or "whoring" just referenced -- used L. Chick's accounting to showing ADV's people have been making their constituents feel like paupers for two years while sitting on a bundle of funds (over $1 million) that could be used for the very same things they're saying "we just can't afford."
How sick and deceiptful is that?
Blame the last guy for failing the district, when he spread the money around as it became available, then pinch out the millions at ADV's disposal like water rations in the desert (except to supporters, of course).
Why is it that ADV and others on council don't want to pass that rule Hahn put in to keep contractors from making campaign contributions? Read the message above, again. . .
(and, it's NOT because he already got his -- that's SO much BS).
DEBATE: Again Antonio has to have his flackies in the audience like Huggy. He's not answering the questions and just attacked Hahn. When asked what their accomplishment have been ADV didn't have an answer. When the question was asked about ADV flip flopping gangs, Parks, and his promise again ADV didnt' answer the question
sez ADV in the debate: "There you go again, Jim Hahn, (ADV thinks he's Reagan, now...) mischaracterizing my record as a city councilmember."
"I rolled up my sleeves in CD14 and went out of my way to NOT do anything for TWO FULL YEARS so I wouldn't HAVE a record you could use against me!"
Why does ADV's voice WAIVER so much when he says "I'm committed to THIS, I'm committed to THAT" in these debates. He's done it every time.
He's the better, more practiced liar than Hahn, but Hahn stays calm, and know what he's talking about -- ADV sounds SO nervous.
Maybe he needs to convince himself, first, that he's "committed" to something. It's a serious "tell" when you're trying to search your memory at the same time to see if you took a different position any other time recently (publicly).
So what is the TRUTH -- I've "resigned" (on request) more than once - most people in executive positions have at some point.
How do you go about FIRING someone when no one has proven they did anything wrong (without getting the city SUED up the backside).
You want an F-H-style Dowie law suit on TOP of all the law suit's ADV's buddy Parks brought on us by having the worst police corruption scandal in 50 years?
Then you silly ADV-lovers would be crying that Hahn COST us money.
NOW in addition to the invisible 80 Neighborhood watches, ADV says he brought 68,000 people together for service.
HOW?
That's 25-30 percent of the district?
What horse-shit! 30 percent of the people barely vote, 30 percent of the people in the district probably couldn't recognize ADV if he WAS sitting on the bus next to them (for a photo-op, of course).
I can SEE with my own eyes what Hahn has done to improve this city, I don't need to see his appointment calendars.
ADV released his calendars, and I STILL can't see anything he's ACTUALLY done it the district.
That's ALL symbolism -- BS symbolism. L.A. is safer, cleaner and better off since Hahn became mayor.
CD14 is in shambles, getting poorer and more violent, and ADV is hiding money from his own needy constitutents -- saving it to pay off supporters when he leaves.
SHAME on him. Worst councilmember since multi-recall Art Snyder (his buddy). No wonder he tags around with all the corrupt ex-CMs like Alatorre and Hernandez ... KNOWN BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP!
Birds of a feather ad all that crap.
This Hahn is "corrupt" - how many convicted felons has HE tried to bail out of well-deserved jail sentences. How many nearly-convicted ex-politicians like Alatorre, Snyder, and Hernandez doe Hahn chum around with?
Hahn won the debate hands down. All Antonio could do is say the same lame ass things he's been. He didn't answer any questions and responded attacking Hahn. What was wrong with ADV? He was drinking water during the whole hour. When the port question was asked all he said was "I agree with Jim Hahn." When asked where he would get the money to hire more officers, he didn't respond. ADv actually placed Education, Crime as his top priorities. ADV was asked what were his top accomplishments as Councilman and he said community clean up and then LIED again about those 80 neighborhood watches. That's it!That's all he's done in 2 yrs. No record, no accomplishments no vision.
I guarantee when Hahn leaves office in a couple months or four years, we won't find out he's been hording $20 million from the city's neediest constituents -p- the equivalent of what ADV has been doing in his own district since 2003. A "thief" doesn't HAVE to put them money in his own pocket -- if he keeps the needy from getting their fair share, the result is the same.
I don't care HOW much people think F-H overcharged DWP (and Hahn should have somehow "known" - even when Laura Chick, the number-cruncher didn't), it can't compare to withholding community funds from the dirt poor constituents who need it most, like ADV is. . . It doesn't get any more "corrupt" than withholding from the most needy! Even "gangsters" like Gotti gave back better than THAT!
ADV could get more pablum into his "crappy little speeches" at these debates if he would shorthand the overused bumper stickers that people are starting to groan over already.
"TYIRM" That why I'm running for mayor
"MIAST" Most investigated administration since the thirties
"RUMS" Roll up my sleeves
"NAFS" (L.A., the city, etc.) Needs a Fresh Start
(Too bad ADV hasn't been "fresh" since Kerry was running gunboats into Cambodia at Christmas).
Bottom line, Mr. "big ideas" and "vision" really isn't that creative, is he? Can't get through the 15-20 minutes he has to speak during an hour-long debate withouth reusing 10 tired phrases to dodge real answers... must be why he has to steal others' ideas so much -- or buy them from campaign hacks.
It's wearing thin, and people are starting to realize, how "thin" this ADV guy really is...
Tony got punked. Hahn was in rare form today. He kept jabbing and jabbing, first with Vignali then with gang injuctions and finally the knockout blow, "Getting the job done versus rhetoric. What do you want? A fancy smile and a flashy suit or somebody that will work." I don't know ADV lovers, how do you counter
LOWER CRIME
40,000 NEW JOBS
3,000 NEW HOUSING UNITS
Doesn't look like stagnation. Once the truth is out, the campaign will hindge on character and Tony is a sitting duck.
Antonio coudn't even start the debate without stumbling. I got a call and someone who was there said hee looked totally hung over that's why he was drinking so much water. He stumbled more than ever. He sure looked nervous. Again, no substance at all. Nothing to tell voters why he should be mayor.
Did you guys see Tony stumble over the statement, " P-P-P-Peo....ple t-t-t-trrrrrust me." I guess his reformed catholic conscious is finally catching up with him.
And am I missing something? How is Hahn blaming Tony for Parks? I thought he took responsibility for it quite well. Notice Tony's temper when the audience booed him down.
Funniest quote of the night by Tony after Morrison's question on breaking his promise to his district:
"I was compelled to run."
And backed up by such compelling evidence!
As a voter, I care about what the candidate has done, I really don't care about any schedule.
What good is it to turn in a calendar schedule and to make it look "Pretty" but do absolutely nothing for the community you serve.
I'd rather not see any calendars if that's what it would take for a candidate to do something.
Now I know what AV has been doing these past years, and I thought he was doing NOTHING, instead he has been TURNING IN PRETTY CALENDARS.
AV looked very nervous... He evaded many questions and looked frustrated, afraid.
What else are you hiding from us AV?
What have you done for CD14?
I have united 6000 people and created 80 neighborhood watches.
Can you imagine, Antonio may win the mayor's race when surely he would have lost his own reelection race in 2007!
Funny thing, politics.
I guess I was watching the wrong debate. This was a victory for Antonio, because it was a non-event.
No one laid an egg, therefore, the guy who is ahead by at least 18 percentage points with less than four weeks to go is the winner.
That is simple political math, for you CD 14 Antonio haters.
The Hahn money machine has stalled out, and there will be no onslaught of ads characterizing Villaraigosa as a dope dealer, simply because Hahn doesn't have the bucks to do it.
All Antonio had to do was play him to a draw. Jimmy needed a touchdown.
It didn't happen.
HALOGIRLFROMTHECITY
I guess you're the sole ADV lover posting. Got to admire your courage. Regarding Parks, Gates didn't have high ranking deputy chiefs in his administration who were directly benefitting from their families drug trafficking. Everything filters from the top. And Rampart existed when Gates was there - and I'm no fan of Gates - but those crooked cops really got a green light when Parks took over. Once Hahn got the federal decree, why do you think so many officers left the force - it was the corrupt nature filtering from the top. To verify Parks corruption, just look at the deal he cut to back Tony.
7:45 ANON
I guess you did miss the debate. Didn't you see the omelet size Vignali, gang injunctions and rhetoric eggs? If you need more verification, go read that childhood book "The Emperor has No Clothes" because people are starting to find out the Tony is naked after all.
I had a group of people watching the debate, yes I organized this small group of Hahn and Villaraigosa supporters.
Villaraigosa straight out lied about the neighborhood watches and the gathering of 68 thousand people in the community.
We are all friends that gathered, so we don't get offended easily at any differences of opinions. One thing for sure, we are all from the community and laughed at his claim of 68 thousand figure... We had our laugh at the obvious lie, but what concerned Villaraigosa supporters (someo of my friends) is that he did not answer alot of direct questions and repeated the same thing and still continued to avoid answering alot of questions.
Hey, they were both dodging and weaving, that is called "boxing".
These guys really didn't lay a glove on each other and no one else did, either.
Everyone hears what they want to hear, and each side thinks they won.
I think they drew and that, as I said earlier, is plenty for a guy who is so far ahead that his opponent is in another time zone.
Face it folks, Jimmy needed a huge win tonight, a knockout or TKO, not a draw or a win on points.
Antonio is done with debates except for a minor one and this election is rounding the far turn and heading for home.
Keep your eyes focused on May 5th at 5:00 P.M. That will tell us all a lot.
ANNON DEBATE COMMENTS
You said it all. It was never so clear that Villarigosa has no subtance. This is the reason he does not want to debate Hahn. He really has no record to stand on. I suspect that even the suporters saw the shallowness and the repeated jorgon that he repeats.
Hanh is not the perfect Mayor, Antonio V would be a dangerous Mayor.
Lev:
They both had some beans (schpilkes), but Antonio hanging up on a word just made him a little more human. I really think it didn't hurt that much.
Jimmy looked like a deer in the headlights about his calendar. The canned answer was awful How could his calendar affect his kids life and safety? That stuff can be sterilized out.
Since I know his work habits, I'm just inclined to believe that his calendar shows that he get to work at 10 or 10:30 A.M., reads a paper or two and returns a call or two, goes to lunch, comes back and reads the advance sheets, then goes home.
He's been doing that since he was first elected Controller, about 24 years ago.
The man is lazy and incompetant to lead. Stein, Wong, Edwards, Dowie, Acevedo and Hammond were all out doing whatever they wanted and he didn't know anything about it.
I believe that as well, since he really didn't want to know. All he cares is about the next election, and that only sets in about the time the campaign starts every four years.
LA is a ship afloat without a pilot; we are lucky that we haven't sunk yet, but we are bailing too fast.
Time to give Antonio a chance.
The real qustion is:
Shall we fire JImmy, or should he be given a chance to "resign"?
Patt Morrision deserves deserves the "inform the city medal".
LA Times sent the right person.
The councilman showed what he is really about tonight. Pretense.
8:39 ANON
Is that all you're left with, Hahn's calendar and schedule. Eventhough Tony tried to paint this as some illegality on Hahn's part, "I filed my statements of economic interest," people could easily see that there is no illegality here. Statements of economic interest do not require you to file your schedule. People could see that Tony was flustered and was reaching. And he didn't just get hung up on one word - he froze! And then he rewound his Parke tape strapped to his back and got on with the same old story that Hahn shot back in his face. "There has been no stagnation." Hahn should add to this statement and say that the only stagnation in the city is in CD 14.
FROM MEAT:
Ameriquest -- Hahn needs to answer why Mike Roos a commissioner he appointed is a lobbyist for Ameriquest, and if this company is being investigated, he needs to look into his own administration before he goes around claiming others are bad because of it.
DEBATES -- Yes, Hahn wants more debates, interesting -- when he ran against Ted Stein Hahn only wanted to two debates when Stein wanted 5.
Now a man that agreed to two debates, skips out on 25 during the primary now wants more? How dare Hahn make such a claim.
During the debate Hahn said the we should be somewhat at the table regarding education.
That's not the type of Mayor the voters of Los Angeles want.
As for Troy Edwards - -which is it Hahn? Did he resign or get fired? He left? What kind of answer is that -- what are you hiding Hahn?
Schedule -- what security concerns? Are you afraid that people are going to learn what time you mow your lawn? Is that the security pattern you are afraid people might learn about? Pathetic, Hahn does not have any more security concerns than any other official.
Weak -- Hahn loses on points.
Antonio haters take you meds because your mayor lost that debate hands down. He was a deer in the headlights on stem cell and calendar.
MEAT you're an idiot if that's all you can come up with. Public Safety Hahn scored major points for firing Parks (he's always taken credit for that one), LA Port Hahn answered good. Antonio said "I agree with Hahn" but didn't answer on his own. Afforable Housing, Hahn scord again. Education, Hahn scored cause his kids go to public school Antonio's are in private schools. Chief Bratton this is where Hahn scored major points. Hahn nailed Antonio on his flip floping, gangs, schools, the Parks issue. Even Channel 9 just now stated that Antonio looked nervous and kept stumbling. He couldn't even start his first sentence. Loved the question "What have you done as councilman?" All Antonio could say is community clean ups and bringing people together. He couldn't bring anyone together in his own damn district. Hahn had major accomplishments he stated. Antonio looked like a school bully who's only answer was fighting back instead of answering the questions. Poor poor showing by ADV. He had to again go back to assembly days. That's not going to save him. Mark Ridley Thomas' poll in Daily News has them as neck and neck. Pat Morrison of LAT had no business on the panel.
MEAT
Again looking at the world through rose colored glasses. Never mind about Roos, did Hahn take any money from Ameriquest, no and Tony did. Roos isn't running for mayor.
And regarding Troy Edwards - Hahn handled that perfectly, "Troy is no longer here." Being the sharp attorney that he is and knowing who Troy is, do you think Hahn would open up the city to any more liability - Troy hasn't been convicted of anything. And given the record of Tony's past witch hunts, he won't get convicted of anything. But if Hahn does fire him, the city is liable for wrongful termination.
And you lose all credility when you say Hahn lost on points. Your candidate lied, twisted and choked. Even Parke knows Tony got punked. Do you think Tony can stem the rising Hahn numbers? not with his record - or with his consultants. Tony's lost will put Parke Skelton in the same category as Clint Riley ('94) as consultants who blew a 20 point lead.
Hahn was not at all on message - he spent too much time talking about corruption, stem cell and schedules. For a guy down 18 points it was a huge loss.
Well, the ADV loving Anonymous at (;13 wins the prize for using the most trite, wornout cliches in one short post.
Keep at it, little one, if you can get up to 8-10 bumpersticker lines as bad as those, you can join ADV's debate prep team (because those people are running on empty, too).
OH, there's another one you forgot "running on empty" - like ADV's "vision" since 1999.
"The Mark Ridley Thomas poll in the Daily News had them neck and neck"???
Which dum-dum said that?
You must be kinda new at this.
First of all, the poll is a phony, and more importantly, all he was polling was the black community.
Just for a momment, suppose he's right; if they just split the black community, Jimmy loses the election. Hell, in 2001 he got over 80%.
No, they are so far apart in the polls you could build a Walmart in between them.
Jimmy is not in the lead in anything but indictments, 1:0 and looking like he will pull away soon, according to the U.S. Attorney handling the corruption in City Hall cases.
He reported to the Judge that they are getting a superceding indictment which will add at least one more defendant, presumably Doug Dowie.
No Nino, they are not neck and neck.
As to Commissioners who are lobbyists, how about Dom Rubalca at LADWP and all the Union folks who should be registered lobbyists but somehow the Hahn Ethics Commission overlooks them. By every definition of lobbyist, Miguel Contreras, Maria Elena Durazo, and a whole host of others are still Comissioners. Of course, Hahn refuses donations from their Unions. NOT.
They even run Independent Expenditure Campaigns for Hahn. More shadow support.
But you can trust Hahn. NOT, NOT, NOT.
Just saw the KCAL coverage - not the debate - and boy Hahn looked bad - Antonio didn't look stellar but he looked much better. So if this wasn't a fair report then either there are a lot of out of their mind Villaraigosa haters who can't see straight or there is a big conspiracy in the media to make Hahn look bad.
Hey, ADV didn't need to post his calendars for me, I live in CD14, I know what he does (not) do...
9 a.m. Neglect the district
10 a.m. Teach staff to neglect district
11 a.m. Campaign for next job
Noon - Buy Steve Lopez lunch in another city
2 p.m. Ignore ongoing projects
3 p.m. Teach staff to ignore ongoing projects
4 p.m. Campaign for next job
5 p.m. Press conference to tell media Hahn hasn't done anything for the city
6 p.m. Dinner with campaign donors from out-of-state
8 p.m. Ignore neighbood councils
8:30 p.m. Teach staff to ignore neighborhood councils
9 p.m. Photo-op with invisible neighborhood watches
IT'S ONE DAMN FULL DAY, ignoring and neglected a quarter-million people that much.
Word on the street is ADV is requesting a theme song to be played when he does the next debate. War's "Lowrider"? Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger"? Bee Gee's "Stayin' Alive"? Naahh, ... he's going to go with Fantasia Barrino's "Baby Mama."
As the chorus goes, "I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
HAHA!
so why won't poopy release the scheds. what's he scared of - must be bad.
9:43 Anon has betrayed the entire ADV-loving mindset. . .
"How did he LOOK?" "He LOOKS good!"
(Not what did he SAY, what does than MEAN, what will he DO, what has he DONE. . .
It's always the same shit -- "He LOOKED good"
Then don't elect him mayor, hero-worshippers -- just get a full-sized picture blown up and hang it over the bed you sleep in your parents' basement.
Hahn clearly did much better than Villaraigosa in today's debate. Villaraigosa was nervous, or atleast portrayed himself this way.
VILLARAIGOSA DID NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS! The problem was that Hahn didn't take the $500+ fee he charges to get this type of information out.
AV did not look good, did not respond well, and his answers were predictable. By the way for the one who posted earlier about him drinking alot of water and looking hung over, I think he was busy getting told off last night by DNC big shots. They need to see how he performs in this election, otherwise it's "PARA AFUERA!"
HEY, can someone get ahold of ADV's pretty paper schedules? Then we can actually COUNT the invisible 80 neighborhood watches he created.
I'm SURE they're listed on his schedules (unless its written in invisible ink).
UNLESS. . . ?? He LIED again, (and again, and again, and again, and again).
Too bad your boy Jimmy Hahn did so bad tonight. Antonio decked him with the line "There is not a lot in your administration," after Jimmy said "There is not a lot in my e-mails." On the floor. Count to ten.
Come on people, you ACTUALLY believe ADV tell the truth to his OWN schedules when he lies to every REAL human being he comes in contact with?
Please, did those calendars come notarized by any chance. They're just as likely to be Jimmy Blackmans of Ace Smiths calendars, since ADV doesn't actually DO anything.
Pieces of paper can LIE, just as eaily as the LIAR who releases them.
You still don't have an answer: What's Jimmy afraid of???
9:51 ANON
Then Hahn went on to say 40,00 new jobs, 3,000 housing units, lower crime rates - what stagnation Antonio?. The real knockout blow came when Hahn said this, "How many positions can you have on gang injunctions in just one week?" Given the voting crowd they are both trying to reach, this blow didn't even merit a ten count. Tony's head is still spinning.
Hahn has an administration, but Villaraigosa has a greedy socialist staff that is MIA all the time. I want to see them gather the amount of people they claim to have support from, was it 60 something thousand? Please someone give me the correct figure. He should have said the one million Mecha March. And half of those are probably his kids.
9:53 ANON
How many votes do you think that schedule issue will actully get you? The corruption charge isn't sticking. The Vignalli issue is and there is more to come, timing, timing, timing.
Decked Hahn, huh, don't think so -- just a cheap shot, like the cheap shot ADV tried on Hahn that backfired on him.
"How often are you going to change your mind on..." (some critical issue), Antonio.
(NO ANSWER to that, making him lokk like he WAS flip-flopping and got caught again, but)... "WELL, I'm NOT going to change my mind on your corruption." (HUGE, backfire -- I not only DO flip flop, I HAVE no real prinicipals of issues of my one, says ADV's response, only cheap shots back a you).
NO, what you mean ADV, is I've only got ONE cue card left I haven't used 60 times, so I'm going to keep fired that tired pea-shooter at you until the next question bails me out.
Even the most retarded fence sitter out there had to know they were being fed the SAME tired lines over and over, ALL night. ADV is a tired sounding, position-less, broken record (sorry with NO record).
FROM MEAT:
Ok so Hahn gets to talk about his record 10 years ago, but no one on this blog wants to hear Antonio's assembly record. Hahn is allowed to attack that record but the dum-dums on this blog don't want to hear his stellar record for making California better for all.
Interesting how the anti-AV dum-dums want it both ways.
So initially the on the stem cell application -- Hahn says -- bllaahh it's the State fault for writing an application 6 other cities couldn't fill out. Then when pressed again, he says bllaahh it was decked against us at all times, Klein wanted it to be in San Francisco or Emeryville the whole time.
So which is it Hahn?
Were our chances stacked against us because of Klein or was did the state send a bad application?
Or maybe it was both -- because it could never ever be your staff's fault for being idiots.
dum-dum is going to love his job soon, but it won't be because you did a lousy job Hahn, it won't be your fault, it will be the voters fault. right.
Like all his encounters, Tony tried to be too cute with his one liners. Problem is, even cute becomes sickening after a while. Hahn's best line tonight, "Do you want a flashy smile and a sharp suit or someone that works." Tony, all wrapped up in one quote. How many minds do you think this has changed? About as many as Tony's positions on issues - enough to get Hahn elected again.
Let's see ACCUSED of "corruption" with no proof, vs. getting CAUGHT trying to get a CONVICTED felon out for favors (I don't care HOW many years ago). Tough call, unless you're a BAD lawyer like ADV.
Jimmy, "I (had to) accept responsibility (i.e. got caught red-handed) for my mistake with Vignali, why won't you accept responsibility for the "innuendo" I keep throwing out at you (without proof)."
PLEASE Jimmy, accept responsibility, it's all I've got to hang on now, and there's four more weeks of tough questions about my non-record as a city councilman.
I NEED you to plead GUILTY before your even charged with anything.
YEAH, Tony, that's gonna work on an ex-City Attorney. NO WONDER you failed the bar so many times. FIRST you prove guilt, THEN you send people away. Cart before the horse, Tony, (and I don't mean horse as in "H.")
MEAT
It doesn't matter. That money will filter down to L.A. anyway. Where do you think all the research facilities are in California? UCLA/Harbor, USC/L.A. County, City of Hope, Children's Hospital, Cedars Sinai, etc.,. Your oint is moot.
anon 9:59, you wrote:
"WELL, I'm NOT going to change my mind on your corruption." (HUGE, backfire -- I not only DO flip flop, I HAVE no real prinicipals of issues of my one, says ADV's response, only cheap shots back a you).
AV's response to Hahn made him look utterly incompetent to find uncorrupted data in his filth infested mind. His conscious is in chaos at this time, he can't even think straight. AV was very weak. He clearly lost many undecided voters, and Hahn made very valid points on what his plans are going to be. Villaraigosa looked upset, nervous, and at times his body language showed hidden aggression. Who knows? Maybe, this is too much for him, all the lies have caught up to him, family rumors, infidelity, criminals, flip flopping, and being deceitful to the voters.
Hey MEAT, I've never minded hearing about ADV's assembly record (ultra-liberal as it was). Hahn made a good point with it too -- ADV and Hertzberg helped bankrupt the state, so city's ended up being robbed and could NOT pay more cops.
My main complaint with ADV always talking about what he did in the assembly is that -- that's ALL there is!
It's like the sad sack husband who keeps telling his angry wife, HEY, I told you I loved you when we got married, what do you want from me now? We had sex on out honeymoon, what are you bugging me for now?
What has ADV been doing for those 2,3,4 THOUSAND dollar paychecks for TWO FULL FUCKING YEARS?
You want us to love you for exploits in the last century? Maybe you're groupies remember the "good old days," but some of us missed that part. How do we know he can even still GET IT UP, he's been politically IMPOTENT since 1999!!!
MEAT
We don't mind bringing up Tony's "stellar" assembly record. Hahn brought it up. Tony made a mess out of Sacto and cost Davis his job; Vignali was during his assembly days, right?; the gang injunction were nine/ten years ago, right?; and of course, there's Enron, Ameriquest and Tony single handedly fixng our States school problems. Tony didn't even have an answer for the 60% Latino dropout rate. Why not Tony? You've been there, haven't you. You're living proof that you can make it right. Why don't you share your secret with the 60% of Latinos who dropout of school.
Tony looked like a little school boy jumping in vain to get his ball from the outstretched hands of Hahn. "Come on Jimmy, take responsiblity, come Jimmy just do it, come on Jimmy, I'm not playing anymore...."
This debate cost Tony another 3 to 5 points. Two or three more of these with a couple of days of Hahn commercials and Tony is a has been.
AV likes things the way they are because his wife is a teacher, remember he said this and that he wants to make sure they have the things they need (pardon my paraphrasing).
I'm just commenting that he wants things just as they are, he does not want to lose the teachers union to any comment that may hurt that relationship. He is not innovative, he does not care if a kid graduates or not, all he cares is they can walk the neighborhood and put his signs up or go to the hall and pretend they are having fun.
He doesn't care about the drop out situation period! The one's that lose out are the kids in our neighborhood who have to deal with this disgusting portrayal of a local politician that steals their future for money.
Like always, ADV is a legend without a legacy. He's spent far less than a decade in public life (he's now mid-50s), about a third of that between gigs, because he's qualified for so little. He rests everything he attempts to run for on 6 years in assembly, less han two of those as the speaker (During which the governor and the legislators nearly destroyed the state's economy).
Never been a chief executive, and his only experience at the municipal level has been a total bust as a useless councilmember, out-of-town as much as in, doing less work than anyone else --including missing a cool $20 million screwup on Transportation.
No one who's worked with him up close - any of his peers - wants him to be mayor, and he addresses all his BS pat lines to the least knowledgeable people in the voting public -- the one's who DON'T already know he's a waste, can't finish a project, and has NO idea how to get the money for the pipedream plans he's stolen from others.
This "show us your schedules" crap is so BOGUS. It's another attempt to prove something is dirty, when it isn't.
The proof of Hahn's superiority to ADV as an option for mayor is NOT in some chicken scratches on a dayimer, it's in the chicken-shit results ADV's district has been getting from him and his staff for two years.
He SAID what he was afraid of -- security, and Hahn, isn't the proven, admitted (with "compulsion") pathological LIAR - ADV is. Question HIS motives for releasing something that proves nothing. ADV has meetings, GREAT, but then nothing gets done.
Keep your damn calendars ADV, give us some RESULTS instead.
Post 10:08
Excatly what what obvious,well put.
He is in way over his compentence ability level. He must have stunned his own AV supporters.He must be drunk by now.The truth was claring tonight,Hanh is the better choice for the city.
So Tony keeps a mean calendar? Great, finally something he's qualified for in city government (because it hasn't be CM, and it SURE won't be mayor).
He can take the place of that women who takes care of the agenda at City Council, and tells Padilla what motion's on the desk next.
Finally, a place for ADV in City. (I was afraid he's be unemployed for the THIRD time this decade.
Wow,
I wonder what will happen when the next indictment hits the papers.
I hope all you Hahn staffers have your stuff packed.
I give you odds that on May 18, the stories start of mass file shredding at City Hall.
In an interview by Robert Greene titled, "Los Lobos" Villaraigosa said the following:
"Between doors, Villaraigosa says he has a surprise in store for people who think running for council would seem a comedown for a former Assembly speaker.
"The City Council is where things get done in the community," he says. "And I've shown I know how to get things done. But I don't believe a council member is just a person that ensures that services have been delivered. I think a council member should be a leader as well."
************Get that, he said "I think a council member should be a leader as well." Antonio repeatedly made it his job to say he would be that leader not just represent it! He is such a liar-Villaraigosa LIAR!
AND
Villaraigosa vowed not to run for mayor in 2005.
How much clearer was that statement above, and he couldn't even keep that promise. Just do your job, I smell recall.
"...Villaraigosa rented a home a stone's throw across the freeway to qualify as a district resident..."
Gee, you even had to fake you lived in the area to run for councilman? Disgusting. Maybe that is why your kids go to PRIVATE SCHOOL, this is why you do not care if the rest drop out, who cares your kids are in nice prep. schools. Would you still send your kids for religious reasons, if the school underperformed? I know the answer, but you might start flip flopping this issue too.
The Anonymous who is concerned about an indictment, please go help your buddy AV. He needs to hold someone's hand right now, because he got toasted. He was awful, but let's have some empathy, we know he is a liar, but some of you AV supporters need to help him after the debate slaughter he endured. I'm sure with all the skeletons out of the closet, and imaginary thousands of people he claims to have support from and build consensus, all he builds is lie after lie. How could he live with himself? How could he look at his kids after all that lying. I'm glad the kids have a better alternative as a role model their faith, because thier dad is full of BS...
Villaraigosa staff,
Get those dusted signs out immediately, you need grassroots marketing. Your candidate is whimping out in public, he has no substance, nada...
Heck, why don't you give AV the signs and have him put them on lawns, or have him ride the bus as of now.
Not just "rented" a home, 11:23 p.m. anon, he rented a $2,000+ per month home inches from the South Pasadena city limit (where they would have tried for a waiver to get into that city's much better-performing schools). Not "religious" schools, mind you -- since that's all just spin and religious pandering, too.
If the district boundaries hadn't been readjusted (out of the kindess of "evil" Pacheco's heart), to where his existing home was in CD14 for the first time -- and they had to stay at the rental to live in the duistrict, they were going to try and "carpetbag" their "Catholic" kids into the public schools in SP.
He later told the community, "I wanted to buy that home and stay in this community, instead of moving back to MW (after the adjustment), but the owner wouldn't sell"
Yet, ANOTHER LIE... (man, they just never stop).
The not-for-sale "rental" house has since BEEN sold!
Makes you wonder if this guy EVER tells the truth. We're probably going to find out somewhere down the line he's actually Greek, or Italian, or a woman, or something.
gee, if he (tony) loses, he'll be back in cd 14, dam it! we don't want him back either. Where is the pitition to recall him? I need to get my signature on it.
I was sitting on the fence, no longer....
I feel sorry for ADV because he did so poorly. He stumbled at his first sentence and then repeatedly couldn't speak. Drinking all that water was so obvious he was nervous. Hahn came blasting out with his accomplishments the last 4 yrs., public safety and crime being way down, after school programs, afforable housing, his kids go to public schools, LA Port....ADV just stood there and attacked. When they asked what have you accomplished as councilman he said "community clean ups. People actually laughed. KCAL9 Dave Bryant started his report sayng Antonio looked nervous. ADV has NO SUBSTANCE. If all he could do is attack that just tells everyone he has no vision, no leadership, no experience. If he had a foundation he wouldn't need to slam Hahn. He would use his ideas across. The sad reality is he showed a lot of people last night he doesn't have any idea what so ever.
This morning's Daily News quotes Antonio actually saying this...When you look at what I did as a council member and my whole record, I will put it up against his any day," Villaraigosa said.
This is hilarious. Seems both papers are making Hahn to be the winner of this debate with his accomplishments.
Laobserved.com
Villaraigosa, in particular, looks like he was smart to refuse getting into many more of these skirmishes, because they are not his shining moments. I lost track of how many unrelated points he ended by saying "and that's why I'm running for mayor." Hahn wasn't exactly impressive, but I'd call him the winner of what I saw; my seatmate said "he cleaned Villaraigosa's clock."
Don't you CD 14ers know anything?
Media is in busines to sell newspapers and to have you watch their TV station or listen to their radio station.
When they sense an election is a runaway, they immediately switch to the underdog to make it look close. Otherwise, no one would buy their papers or watch or listen to their station.
Nothing has changed with the people. The polls will not stay the same; the numbers always close up near the election, and at the end, Antonio will still be ahead, but by more realistic numbers.
Still going to be @55% to @45%, which is a huge victory in any election.
Only in CD 14 do folks win by 68% to 32% (AV vs. NP).
6:39am poster another moron like MEAT. So what could you say about 2001 when Antonio was again in the lead at this time and lost it? I hear Hahn's numbers are going up. Its becoming a reality check that if ADV wins this city will become another Mexico city with illegal immigration. He wants to give them more rights and as someone in LAT said yesterday, I am supporting him because he will do everything for the spanish speaking people first.
Accept it your boy Tony did horribly. It was an embarrassement. He didn't say one word except attack. He showed the people he has nothing up in that little noggin of his.
FLASH - FLASH - FLASH - FLASH - FLA
Poll indicates Villaraigosa beats Hahn 3 to 1.
In a poll just released, Antonio Villaraigosa beat James Kenneth Hahn by a three to one margin.
This poll, taken March 7, 2005 in C.D. 14, is known as the Los Angeles City Primary Election.
The results are 100% accurate.
Blog that one, losers...
Give me a break who the hell did the poll Antonio's people? I'm would bet and ad nything they do is a joke. March 5th was a long time ago why don't they take one NOW.
Hey you CD14 Anti-ADV people Antonio is having a public safety meeting this Saturday in El Sereno in the morning. You know there will be cameras and press. Take your protest signs and tell the media what a jerk he's been to his constituents. Here's your opportunity to get your disgust with him finally heard. They won't ignore you.
L.A. Times Weekday Circulation Declining
Los Angeles Times circulation could dip below 900,000 on weekdays when figures are reported to a national auditing firm early next month.
Could it be the LAT is so bias they are losing subscriptions daily? Could it be Jessica Villagarrison is such a ADV groupie people are protesting by canceling? You bet your ass they are.
The Hahn lovers are so blind to their candidates failings that they credit him with a victory when it was a terrible defeat. Not surprising considering that these are the same people who believe that all of the polls lie.
"This poll, taken March 7, 2005 in C.D. 14"
Come back to reality! First of all who did this poll, second look at the date! What day is it today! You Villaraigosa people really think your constituents are stupid, the only one stupid here is that poster and his "psychotic" Villaraigosa. Take a poll today, not a month old poll, you guys are desperate, just like your mafia boss villaraigosa...your trying to reach for something that does not exist. CD 14 people hate him~
No, the poll was the election itself, dum-dum.
It was Hahn's people, as the people who run the elections work for the Mayor of Los Angeles.
MEAT why hasn't your boss said one thing about the homicides in CD14? Unbelievable last night when asked what his top issues were in order he states Education then crime. He can't be that big of an idiot!
Antonio is again taking credit for adding more police officers by claiming Greg Smith's proposal was his. BS. Antonio had nothing to do with that proposal until AFTER the fact when he jumped on the bandwagon. ADV can't even get a motion passed in council. Hey MEAT name one motion ADV has gotten passed in council in 2 yrs?
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, (when asked his views about the cold war):
Antonio wins, Hahn (and the CD 14 blogging association) lose(s).
O.K. You guys win.
Your incessant blogging about my personal life and my inability to govern has gotten to me and my voters. I am now afraid I will lose this race.
In light of the above, I have decided to run for a new office. The election is going on right this moment; turn on any news channel and you can follow it.
I know you'll be happy to have me out of CD 14 and the City of Los Angeles, as I will have to move elsewhere.
You'll know I have won when you see a puff of white smoke from the chimney.
Antonio
"This poll, taken March 7, 2005 in C.D. 14"
You are right that was the election, I was wrong to say it was Just a Poll as you had spinned it in the beginning of your comment, ACe..
This has is now clarified, so let's get to the real issue. Take a poll TODAY so you can get some real figures. Your basing your support constituents that were not completely informed about the sinnister Villaraigosa, now they have been informed and will continue to be informed of the trecherous individual he is.
As the chorus goes, "I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
"I got love for all my baby mamas."
Load up the bong and go back to your dreams.
People do not change to the extent you wish in the span of a few months.
In 2001, Antonio won barely; this time, against an incumbent, he trounced Jimmy.
You guys just keep on puffing; we'll be busy getting ready to replace the ineffectual kids in Room 300.
They are getting ready as well; the street is flooded with their resumes.
Even they can read the polls better than you guys.
P.S. Get a dictionary.
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2822122,00.html
Hahn, Villaraigosa clash in bitter debate
By Rick Orlov
Staff Writer
Here is a small comment from the above article...
"What you get is the Antonio Villaraigosa version of history - where he's always the star," Hahn said. "Now you see why he doesn't want to do more debates. What you see is double talk."
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I do not think AV can sanely survive another debate. His body language gave it away, he was completely out of sync. He could not focus, he was afraid. Someone must be extremely upset with him--the Democratic Party. Now they have to look for another ethnic boy, and all that money that was invested in him with campaign donations, what a waste!
"They are getting ready as well; the street is flooded with their resumes."
You must be talking about Villaraigosa's s staff. You are the only one hung up on resumes flooding that do not exist. Spin something else, this comment you made is high and dry with no content. The only thing FLOODING IS VILLARAIGOSA'S MIND!
AV must be concerned, he should be! Some individuals walked around the El Sereno area so tell registered voters to vote. I was told that this resident asked where they were from. The person responded, "The Voting Department." What the heck does that mean, the voting department. The resident saw the blue Villaraigosa sign inside the car and told him, "You are from Villaraigosa group?" The man responded, "No, I'm from the voting department." Still, this is the type of people AV sends and then they deny who they are sent by. I have no problem with people encouraging others to vote, but don't be embarrassed for having to tell these residents that YES, YOUR LEADER AV IS A LIAR! Maybe these AV community scouts do not want to hear debate, who knows!
Someone said earlier that AV is having public safety meeting on Saturday. Does anyone have more information on this, address, time to be held, much appreciated.
Great opportunity to pass out leaflets on his lies, corruption scandal Vignali case, stagnation CD14, disclosure of all his socialist staff beginning with the ELA office on 1st street, and his "ethics" all the cheating, lying, deceit. All of this summarized in English, Espanol, Chinese, so the entire community can take that fog AV put on the district and clearly see what a sinful individual he really is. My people are not shy, they can speak many languages, they are diverse, they have one thing in common-THEY ARE AMERICAN and SUPPORT AMERICAN VALUES. They are not afraid to speak out and talk to the people that are there. Does anyone have an idea as to how many people attend his meetings on Saturday? Is it just his staff and their families?
I think the meeting will be in the Coliseum.
Better get a ticket as it is a sell out; standing room only left.
All of Los Angeles is united against our lame duck Mayor who cannot even fill out a form properly to obtain Three ($3,000,000,000) BILLION DOLLARS worth of new jobs for LA.
What a doofus.
"THE 3 SIGNS YOUR BLOG IS DEAD"
1) MIA owner
2) 3-day-old blog threads
3)
jimmy has no answer for the stem cell bungle - it's embarassing
ADV - Accomplishment Deficient Villaraigosa?
This is all that is placed on the website under upcoming events:
http://www.antonio2005.com/
Upcoming Events
04/18/2005 Jewish Leaders to Endorse Antonio
9am -- Canter's Deli
04/19/2005 Westside Villaraigosa Meetup
6:30pm -- Venice
04/26/2005 Valley Villaraigosa Meetup
7pm -- Sherman Oaks
05/17/2005 Mayoral Run-off Election
Vote for Antonio in the run-off
Attn: To any Villaraigosa staff that has the guts to respond.
Is there such a meeting, if so, where?
"Hey you CD14 Anti-ADV people Antonio is having a public safety meeting this Saturday in El Sereno in the morning. You know there will be cameras and press."
"...All of Los Angeles is united against our lame duck Mayor..."
Your are clearly speaking of "All of L.A...", all 30 of you who hang out with AV at the ELA office with the marxist jargon minded two faced staff.
Someone just informed to me that there were individuals asking people to vote in May...the group went to BH, Glendale, Highland Park, & El Sereno. Thanks for those of you (you know who you are for emailing me the information, I appreciate it.)
P.S. When I say the group--they were not all AV volunteers, have to correct that. It has been made clear to me that there are several groups out reminding them to vote. Absolutely nothing wrong with getting people to vote regardless of any affiliation.
Glendale???
I keep hearing people say there's very little difference in the positions held by these two candidates, but every time there's a debate like this I hear HUGE differences.
Entirely different positions on key issue all across the city. . .
OH WAIT, that's just Attention Deficient Villaraigosa flip-flopping. Hahn hadn't even had a chance to speak yet.
BUT, the biggest difference is between what ADV says he'll do and what he actually does.
Just check out his "10-point plan" for REDUCING crime in CD14 announced in 2003.
Then look at the ACTUAL 1-point ADV plan for increasing homicides there -- 1) Ignore anything that doesn't have to do with becoming mayor.
(OH, but ADV-lovers say the councilmember isn't responsible for reducing crime -- that's up the the mayor and LAPD. SO that just means the ADV 2003 "plan" was another cynical lying prop to win election and fool people who don't know how the city works?)
You betcha...
Yes, the person who emailed stated Glendale. I don't know if they live close to Glendale, around there or whatever their situation is, but they stated Glendale.
The email was in Espanol, and my Espanol is pretty good.
I am interested to know which resumes you have seen floating around.
Great, voter apathy is SO bad now, they're recruiting people from Glendale.
I smell voter fraud. . .
NOW you've had it, Mayor Scam/Chief Faker, this blog has now been added as a "cool link" for the Historic Highland Park Neighborhood Council Website. If you thought the CD14 traffic was unnerving BEFORE?
"Links
Cool Blogs
Mayor Sam Blogspot
This Blog is edited by the late Sam Yorty and his Partner Chief ...
Click here"
The end is near. . .
too bad your guy lost the debate.
The voters "lost" the debate -- no substance.
There was plenty of "substance." The only problem was it was in Hahn's hands and it smelled as he flung it. He looked very bad.
HA, ADV's taking a beating from his own supporters on his campaign blog thread. After months of nothing but vague, bumpersticker soundbytes, even his own faithful followers are saying. "Isn't there anything more than just Hahn bashing?"
Take a look (before the Spin-nazis pull it all down!)
http://www.antonio2005.com/blog/index.php?p=84
Once again, little "touchy-feely" one, I don't give a rats ass what the candidate "looks" like.
If you want "pretty" tune in the Miss America pagaent.
Hahn "flung" back at Villaraigosa what his two years in city government has produced, and his record from years prior can't hide. Pandering, inability to create of develop anything useful to his constituents (except new promises to break).
Hahn told no lies about ADV - it's all on record, but ADV is trying to unseat a mayor based on innuendo -- lies that just haven't been discovered yet.
keep spinning - you sound like you're getting too dizzy.
Ooooh, it's so fun to "watch" from nearby unobserved. ADV-ville is all aflutter and in a panic.
The toy candidate has fallen apart twice now in the same week - with TV media at the Hertzberg Hug-off (when reporters started asking real questions), and again at the debate, where he came across like a last minute replacement from the high school debating team.
Supporters are already calling and e-mailing saying, "what happened to Super-Tony" and "who was the puny, 2/3-strength clone you propped up there this week" (in place of the 2005 Tony who's already a half-strength dose of the guy who lost in 2001).
SORRY, ADV groupies. It's like trying to power a yacht in the America's Cup and all you've got for sails are lace curtains (ADV)-- too many holes and not enough strong material there to keep from shredding at the first sign of the kind of winds you have to endure to even get near the finish line.
(Hahn people -- if you're "watching" -- you can use that one, FREE, just for giving little Tony the shakes this week... my favorite moments of the campaign so far.
Snappy retort 12:39 p.m., did Ace help you with that one? Better tell him to help Antonio more, because everyone in the city that cares has heard his 5 tired punchlines 20 times already, and it's becoming VERY obvious there's nothing more in the bag-of-tricks.
Tony has become the boy crying "wolf" or "corruption" in this case -- and been doing it so long now with anything even close to truth, that people have turned it off. Nothing short of having EyeWitless News covering his arrest in handcuff is going to turn that volume back up again.
Bad timing there, if that's all they had - others (not even) Hahn, rumored to be maybe somebody charged with something - some not even city employees.
Public Safety Meeting-Antonio
Saturday April 30th
9a-12noon, CHARO, 4301 E. Valley Blvd., LA 90032
ADV was a whuss last night. Obvious he was hung over drinking all that water. What have you done as a councilman?" I bring people together, I had community clean ups. This lame ass couldn't even answer the question. Hahn's top issues Public Safety and good for him firing Parks, ADV has said "Jimmy fired Parks and is blaming me." IDIOT people citywide supported HAHN in the decision. ADV would have kept the corrupt Parks. Hahn's accomplishments LA Port, after school programs, gang reduction programs, LAX, afforable housing. But little napoleon syndrome Antonio had nothing of substance and kept stumbling. The truth is finally coming out he is nothing more then a nice smile in a suit.
R.I.P.
Mayor Sam's Blog - gone the way of the HertzBlog after the primary.
People keep talking about Parks/Bratton -- would ADV have fired Parks? WILL he keep Bratton?
WHO'S to say Bratton, a supercop that any big city in America would kill to have, would even be WILLING to stay on in a Villaraigosa admin.
He has a choice, too, and if he knows anything about the way ADV "fights" crime(by ignoring it, stripping the cops of any useful legal tools, and creating fake neighborhood watches), he's got to be considering other options already. (And he's bound to have a fistfull of offers already).
Hey, maybe the Hahn-haters are RIGHT for once. Maybe it's BRATTON been sending his resumes out fast and furious. If not now, then definitely if ADV becomes mayor.
That may be the deal ADV worked with Parks. "I can't fire Bratton, Bitter Bernie, but he's sure not going to want to work for ME. SO, when he leaves, you can have your job back (and I'll appoint someone we BOTH like to your council seat). It's all a win-win for us, a lose-lose for the city.
While you're at it tell me how many angels can stand on the head of a pin?
Gameboy Padilla in big trouble according to Daily News his prez seat is up and doesn't look like he'll get it again. Antonio promised Parks he would get rid of 3-12 schedule of LAPD. There is already talk of LAPD officers leaving again in record numbers if ADV wins. They don't want to work for a guy who supports gangs. The rank and file see Antonio as a old time gang banger. Illegal immigration will ruin this city all anyone has to do is go to the Eastside where ADV protects them. This city will go down the toliet and ADV wants to give them more rights. Bratton doesn't like ADV and for good reason. Many say he will leave LAPD for greener pastures and who would blame him.
Jealous "1:05 p.m.?" Tony leaving you supporters out in the cold? Might as well be living in CD14 if that's the case.
Ask Pope Tony the "Angel" question. I think that's the name of one of his illegitimate kids (the ones that went to PUBLIC schools -- not the trophy family).
The ADV-lovers really are quiet -- pretty sure all is not well on Tony Town after his bungled media showing this week. If all people are hanging on to IS the style (since there's NO substance), then when that starts to go, well, then the never-was goes direct to has-been.
Hahn's won six citywide elections, huh? Villaraigosa's won... zero?
Bratton will leave LAPD for "Greener Pastures"?
He's already left Boston and NYPD, so what's the surprise?
And, just exactly where is it greener?
In the private sector, he'd have to really work; under Hahn, it is OK to just keep the same hours as the Mayor. Too cushy to leave that.
Finally, who cares? Certainly not the CD14 bloggers association.
They don't seem happy with the policing of their CD, do they?
I just report; you decide.
You "report" HA, what BS, not even respectable Tony-spin on that one.
How about you BS, to kiss your master ADV's backside...
If you could read past a 4th grade level you would know (it's only been said 80 times), that it's not the policing in CD14 that's the problem -- every area of crime EXCEPT homicides is down.
Since you're dense, let me explain that a little more specifically:
ONLY the area of crime that ADV pointed to TWO YEARS AGO, and said ELECT ME and I'll FIX THIS PART is getting worse.
The part that wasn't AS BAD two years ago, when ADV blamed PACHECO for it -- and said HE needed to be replaced because of that. THAT'S the part that's worse NOW.
ONLY the pipes that Plumber Antonio specifically pointed to and said "I'LL be RESPONSIBLE for THOSE are LEAKING WORSE NOW."
Take that back to you ADV ass-kissers Konsortium, since they didn't catch on the first 80 times.
I love how the ADV groupies are ALREADY beginning to spin for the failures they know ADV will eventually be responsible for it he becomes mayor.
Not even letting ADV run Bratton off yet, which he will, but already spinning as to why it might happen if their do-nothing, empty suit, gang-coddler gets in office -- but it won't be ADV's fault, NAH! He'll jump ship for, uh, "greener pastures."
Let me help you out:
After Tony becomes Mayor (HA!), even more businesses will run away from L.A., but IT WON'T BE ADV'S fault, it will be because, um, they heard there were big earthquakes coming, and they like to see the leaves change color in other parts of th country.
And then, more cops will quit, but IT WON'T BE ADV'S fault -- those are just the "racist" ones, and we're "pruning back" the dead wood before the HUGE increase (promised) for his NEXT term.
And then, the schools will get even worse (thanks to his "support"), but IT WON'T BE ADV'S fault, because, remember?? Mayor's don't run the schools (they just promise to do something about them when they're caught sticking their kids in private ones).
And then, traffic will get worse, but IT WON'T BE ADV'S fault, because it'll just be all those eager ADV-lovers from other cities (and countries), coming to witness first-hand, his brilliant leadership style.
Bratton is asking for retribution; he is out campaigning with Hahn almost daily these days. That is not good for Los Angeles, win or lose. The Chief of Police should be above this petty politicking.
Clearly, Bratton cannot read the polls, or doesn't care.
Oh, well, easy come, easy go.
Anon 2:12,
I am in agreement with you, this kind of politicking is east coast style bullshit. Only Hahn would allow it. I can only hope though that when Antonio becomes mayor, he's smart enough to not seek any type of retribution against Bratton.
However, police chiefs are supposed to be above politics and clearly he's not. Now some of you old timers can refresh my memory. Did William Parker, Tom Reddin, Ed Davis, Daryl Gates, or Bernard Parks ever campaign for candidates while in office?
(I don't count Willy from Philly as he was a total embarassment and not fit to be chief, however I think even he was above politicking.)
Here's one issue that Tony is going to have a tough time squirming out of. Tony supports non-citizens voting in school district races. If your kids are in a public school, whether they are here legally or not, Tony supports the parents voting in school board elections - whether they are citizens or not.
And Tony, when you got decked on Hahn's statement on his kids going to public schools, why didn't you counter and say that you had kids in public school also, of course they aren't your legitimate kids, but they are your kids. And keep saying you love your wife, I'm sure she'll believe it someday, maybe on the day she decides to live with you again.
Just a little while ago on Channel 9 news, Linda Breakballs blasted Tony again. She even put up a quote from Tony directed at Hahn, "When you have nothing to run on you demonize your opponent and run a campaign of fear." Isn't that what Parke and Ace are doing for you Tony?
Bratton's job is to keep the city safe. He's not stupid and his resume bears that out. Bratton knows that if Tony wins, the city will not be safer, I bet Bratton knows all the crime details of CD 14. It is not politicking if you are teling the truth. It's as simple as black and white, crime is down and Bratton is just protecting his accomplishments from Tony's stagnation comments. Maybe Tony can get Parks out there to counter Bratton, ha ha ha. -The Tony cookie is starting to crumble.
What's that old saying, once the shit is out you can't get it back in the horse. Parke, that time has come - you were warned a while back that you were betting on the wrong horse.
So Bratton, who's job it is to help keep the city safe, is supposed to just keep his mouth shut when crime and public safety as the most significant difference between these two candidates -- violent crime down 25-35 percent under Hahn, while gangster coddling, injunction-busting (sometimes) ADV does nothing about rising homicide rates in his own district (something he promised to address as a main thrust of his term in city council). Maybe ADV meant his SECOND term in city council?
Bratton is not out politicking with Hahn. Excuse me but a brand new police station in the valley is where they both should have been. Excuse me being at the LAPD training center where both Bratton and Hahn were getting a demo of the new strips for car pursuits is where they both should have been. Bratton touting his low crime rate with Hahn is where they both should be. Why? Hahn brought Bratton in and had the balls to get rid of Parks. This city should be grateful you have a chief of police and mayor or are on the same side and that is for what's good for the public. Unlike Antonio who will want whats good for the illegals and gang bangers. Let's not forget Bratton (turned around 5 police depts.) wanted the city wide public safety initiative and loser Antonio voted NO. He doesn't forget things like that. Antonio is not going to win cause Hahn's state of city blew him wayyyyyyyy out of the water.
Don't you Morons from CD 14 get it?
You don't need Bratton to know and talk about fixing the crime in CD 14, you need him to allocate the resources to do it.
The fact that he hasn't all;oated the sufficient resources is the direct fault of the MAYOR to whom he reports, not a Councilman.
I cannot understand, for the life of me, why you insist on blaming Antonio for Jimmy's shortcomings.
Blame the people running the Police Department, Bratton, Hahn and his Commissoners, all five of whom are appointed by HAHN.
Jeez, how stupid can you get????
Did it ever occur to your thick heads that Hahn intentionally has shortchanged CD 14 to make Antonio look bad to you?
Duh.
Cheap shot. Hahn WAS NOT WITH Donnie Fowler at the time of the incident. Check out the report.
Another smear against Hahn that just won't stick.
Wrong wrong. Hahn WAS with Fowler. Kam and Carrick were not.
Still a cheap shot -- not Hahn's responsibility.
3:33 ANON
It wasn't Bratton and Hahn who ran for city council cring about the crime rate in CD 14. It wasn't Bratton or Hahn who accused the previous councilman of CD 14 of not doing his job. It wasn't Bratton or Hahn making campaign romises that they would be at every homicide. It wasn't Bratton or Hahn voting against more police officers. It was Tony, stupid lying Tony.
Maybe Hahn shortchanged Tony's brain too, DUUUH!
Why, that Linda Breakstone must be a "hater" of Antonio if she asks tough questions and wants direct answers.
Because every failing of ADV that's detailed here is always the fault of "haters" bringing it up. Some of the interviewers at the debate yesterday must have also been Antonio "haters" for putting him on the spot and asking specific questions he couldn't answer -- forcing him to repeat the same pat phrases over and over. Steve Lopez at the Times must be a "hater" for wanting him to detail how he's going to pay for major infrastructure improvements.
Hahn is bashed here because he doesn't know what every employee in every sub-department is doing, but only "haters" would expect Tony to know where he stands on an issue or have specific plans for fixing things in L.A. He's only run for this office twice, consuming nearly two years out of the last five of his life and been on city council for a third of that time. How could he possibly have any specific solutions to problems that soon?
Maybe when ADV runs for mayor the 3rd time, he'll have some specifics down (that's unless his opponent then is also CORRUPT like every other person he's run against in recent history).
He may not be able to specific about goals and plans, but he SURE is one lucky S.O.B. to always decide to run again "dirty" opponents who coincidentally start appearing "dirty" JUST about the same time he decides to run against them.
What is it that "Sacramento" blogger calls that, Plan-A?
If we could just rid L.A. of the ADV "haters" he'd never have to be specific or perform well again.
And then the city would be better off, right?
Hey 3:33 (half of 666?)
Don't you Morons from OUTSIDE CD 14 get it?
We have EVERY right to blame ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA for rising homicide rates in CD 14 BECAUSE, exactly TWO YEARS AGO, HE blamed Pacheco for them (and there were even LESS then than there are now).
Now if we're MORONS today, for blaming ADV, then he and his political HACK assassins were MORONS two years ago for blaming the guy ADV was trying to replace. The difference is, ADV WON that race based primarily on JUST such moronic promises. "I WON'T run for mayor in two YEARS
" -- MORON ADV broke that promise. "CD14 deserves BETTER than high homicide rates, elect ME, I'll FIX the boo boos."
ADV never said "elect me and I'll try and talk the MAYOR into fixing them -- or try and get LAPD to fix them or allocate more resources." And the reason he didn't was because then Pacheco could have said the same thing.
NO, in order to FIX high homicide rates, CD14 HAD to have ADV in office, just like he's telling other MORONIC lies today... "I'm the only one who can address (unproven) 'corrupt' government, (nonexistent) stagnation, and (rumored) pay for play, etc."
The difference today is the REAL morons, will be ANYONE who looks at all his broken promises from two years ago and says. "OH, nevermind, he'll keep his promises to L.A. BETTER than he kept them in CD14 (which was not at all). He lied to them, because he was "compelled" to, but he's all BETTER now.
And as far as "shortchanging" CD14 -- take a look at the list of Eastside accomplishments on Hahn's Website. CD14 receives a larger portion of special intervention programs like L.A.'s Best, and others than it's population warrants.
(Next conspiracy theory?)
I've got one -- ADV only opposed the half-cent city tax for cops so that Hahn wouldn't look like HE was keeping more of his promises to provide more cops. That would have spoiled one of ADV's bumper-sticker soundbytes and left him with only 6-7 others. THAT theory can be supported by numbers (70 percent of CD14 WANTED that tax), but this "shortchanging" CD14 crap is pure ADV-loving fantasy.
I got your bottom line their previous poster. I reserve the right to blame Attention Deficit Villar for anything he promised to fix when he ran for office, whether someone in his position ever could have or not.
If he was stupid enough to promise it, then I get to call him on it.
If the pizza delivery guy says he can deliver 5 miles away within 10 minutes, during rush hour -- or its free, then I'm not handing back the free pizza to say -- "ah, it was the mayor's fault you got caught in traffic."
You run for that office you need to know what can and can't be done before you go filling people up with BS promises, just hoping they forget what you said before the next election.
Of course, because Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar who can't be trusted to do anything he says he'll do.
Someone prove me wrong.
I rest my case!
Maybe if ADV would have implemented or done anything with that 10 point plan to reduce crime it wouldn't be as high as it is. Bratton and Hahn have done more for CD14 then ADV has in 2 yrs. ADV was the one who PROMISED to reduce crime. Bratton and Hahn have always said they need more cops. ADV was the one who voted not to have that happen. ADV doesn't care about the crime cause his boys, the gang bangers, are behaving just the way he does. Terrorizing the community. ADV is harrassing, threatening community members that they will lose their funding if they support Hahn. Talk about strong arm bully tactics.
The old gangbanger isn't real good in a one-on-one scuffle though, is he -- hard to have your "boys" at your back when you have to debate someone one-on-one who's actually been working for the city for the past few years, while ADV's been running up frequent flyer miles to help get George W. elected president.
I think GW should endorse ADV, just to be fair. . .
I just watched the news coverage of today's AV endorsement. So where is this huge support AV claims to have that know him, about him, and agree with his vision. All I saw was AV eating a cookie while making gestures at a small child that an adult was carrying. When he began to speak, the camera scanned the are and all I saw there were AV his endorsers and the people viewing them were a couple of people from the news. There were about 4 or 5 regular people there, but looked very lonely. AV has a vision so powerful that no one bothers to show up. AV must be very disappointed.
ADV will do just about anything these days to be in front of a camera. Yep, I saw all those same people at his other events. I think he buses them in. Loser Jack Weiss was there. Thinks ADV is going to do something for him. Can you believe ADV actually had the nerve to say Hahn is taking credit for the proposal he and Weiss did. What bullshit! IT WAS GREG SMITH MORON. All the media has to do is look up the motion
Mayor Hahn before you release your calendar please demand that Villaigosa release the location of his 80 Neighborhood Watch programs.
Keep in mind the not people running the program just the location.
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