So who won the debate?
The debate is now over. Who won? I think we know who won in the mind of MEAT and Sacramento Nighties.
What about you?
Also we are hearing of more defections from former Jim Hahn supporters in the San Fernando Valley -- any clues has to who these people are?
Have fun, oh and a belated Happy Easter.
What about you?
Also we are hearing of more defections from former Jim Hahn supporters in the San Fernando Valley -- any clues has to who these people are?
Have fun, oh and a belated Happy Easter.
Posted by Anonymous @ 3/28/2005 06:43:00 PM
29 Comments:
We just saw the replay of the debate. Why does'nt Antonio show a list of the people from the district that asked him to run and take a picture with them. That should shut every one up. The question came up in the debate.
There is 2% out of 10% that voted for Antonio in the 14th district, Can you see how small the picture is? The guy continues to lie and not answer the questions. Where are the 80 nieghborhood watches ?
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The 80 neighborhood watches are watching the change of characters.
Jimmy has the smell of a loser, and we all know what that smells like.
Move on Jimmy, yuor fifteen minutes are up.
Antonio rules; Jimmy drools.
So ADV is in the confessional right now, saying... forgive me father, I LIED again... (Oh, must be Antonio). "You really don't have to come to confession EVERY evening... or maybe you do."
"My kids don't go to public schools (the same ones which made me the great person I am today, that I support and believe in) -- because I'M A CATHOLIC?"
Really, Tony, did you actually think you could pull that one off? Your campaign people must have -- they didn't even give you a backup cue card for when the disbelieving moderator asked it AGAIN. "Why don't your kids go to public school?"
Well... first of all, let's give you a half-point for trying to play the opportunistic "I've reformed, I'm a good boy" religion-baiting card again. (But it hardly seems fair when I think of the crap Geo. Bush get's when he dodges hard questions using religion...).
Problem is, there are any number of Catholic schools a whole HELL of a lot closer to your posh, nearly gated, hillside digs. The Villaraigosa manse is MILES and miles away from the ritzy, old-money portion of "Millionaire Row" in Pasadena where the majority non-Latino Anglo student body of Mayfield matriculates. You drive past quite few of those study, L.A.-based Catholic schools every day. Probably even more on the way to Loyola.
But the fact is, Antonio, in a district with about 70 percent Latino population, and an even larger percentage of minority enrollment in LAUSD district schools, your kids have ALWAYS gone to majority Anglo schools, haven't they?
Did that conniving old die-hard socialist/atheist Parke REALLY think you could pull off that, "because I'm Catholic" BS?
ADV, if you took all the devout Catholics out of the public schools on the Eastside, that "small schools" alliance would be out of business already. Class size would get down to single digits.
The moderator obviously didn't buy it. HELL, Sister Mary Catherine at Divine Savior School right down the hill from you didn't even buy that one (and she REALLY does want to believe you've changed your ways!).
I don't think I heard a single thing -- from the candidates anyway -- that they haven't been saying for weeks of months, just more of the same. But the questions are coming out a bit harder now that there's just two people to answer them. Now we can get down to some mind-changing responses.
Ques. -- Why did you break your promise about running for mayor, Antonio?
AV -- Well, people ALL over the city told me I should, and besides, Jim Hahn lied about keeping Bernard Parks on as chief of police.
JH -- No, I said I'd give him a chance, and I waited six months to remove him, then brought in a better chief. You said so yourself, Antonio, Bratton's the best, it was my best decision.
AV -- Did I say that? SHIT, I'm off message again. Where the damn prompter... "LINE?"
Were there farm animals in the poor, raggedy drunk-daddy neighborhood Villaraigosa grew up in? He keeps saying (over and over), "I'm running for mare because..."
Even with a little Spanglish thrown in, how he gets "mare" from "mayor" is a mystery.
Script, rewrite, please! Somebody with ADV's people give him a NEW illustration to say he's going to work hard, not that it would be believable for Mr. Frequent Flyer Miles, anyway. He has GOT to stop saying he's "rolling up his sleeves" while he standing there in his $1,000 tailored suits. Next debate, somebody has to use that as a drinking game. Take a drink everytime ADV says "I'm rolling up my sleeves," "you roll up your sleeves," lets ALL "roll up our sleeves." You'll be drunk by the second round of questions.
(He even had a Freudian slip last night at one point and said, "I'm going to roll`up YOUR sleeves and get to work"). Probably the most honest statement the absentee councilmember made all night... there's work to do in this city, but if you think ADV is actually going to get his hands dirty doing any of it, you're ALREADY drunk. Better find a designated voter to handle the ballot for you on May 17 so you don't accidentally elect that empty suit as mayor.
Come on, Steve, tell us what you said about Hahn to Antonio that little children can't hear. Or was little Tony hallucinating again?
No knockout but Hahn on points.
To anonymous 1:22AM... Who is Steve? What did he say? I didn't catch the debate.
If you can stomach Tony's cheesy responses, you can find the Steve Lopez exchange here:
http://www.nbc4.tv/politics/4325007/detail.html
Click under Hahn question to Villraigosa. Steve Lopez is the Times columnist that Tony took to Beverly Hills while the rest of the candidates tok Steve to eat in their own districts or neighborhoods.
Good thing there is seven more debates, Tony is coming across more and more like a car salesman and one liners don't get a second chance.
I am an AV supporter and I listened to the debate on NPR. Although I hate to say it, Hahn definitely won the debate. Hahn's responses were measured and clear. AV's reponses were erratic and puncuated by "ums". I think Hahn hits were focused and well-timed (whether they were true is a different story).
I'm just happy only me and 100 other people bothered to listen.
Hahn won debates hands down. Paul Moyer asked Antonio "Do you think this mayor is corrupt?" Antonio whimped out like a girl, probably cause his boys weren't with him and couldn't answer the question. Hahn nailed him on the public school issue. Antonio is a hypocrite when his kids attend private schools. On traffic again Hahn nailed Antonio by asking him where would he get $300 million needed. Hahn again made Antonio agree that Chief Bratton is the best chief in the nation. First time idiot ADV admits it. Media is finally reporting Antonio opposes gang injunctions and in fact when he was with ACLU sued LAPD and supported criminals. Again ADV went back to his old assembly days to find accomplishments. Didn't have anything of what's he done in city council. Again LYING about those neighborhood watches. I hear a reporter is going to research and print what they find. All newspapers saying Antonio was the one on the defensive. Good for Hahn throwing it back in his face.
L.A. Times blew their debate coverage. 4 reporters covering the story... the headline says "Questions of character..." and they burn 2000 words without mentioning that Villaraigosa broke his promise not to run for mayor -- not even once.
The debate questions covered it? Why didn't the Times? Debate hosts had questions about it? Were all four Times reporters asleep? Is there a more concise way to get to Villaraigosa's lack of "character" than that?
(from that same Times' coverage) "'Unfortunately, he says one thing, he does another,' Villaraigosa said, seeking to turn Hahn's central contention of the evening back on the mayor. 'As mayor, I will keep my promises.'"
Oh, GOOD. SO if ADV is elected mayor, he'll finally start keeping his promises (but not ONE SECOND sooner). It's like "Dirty Harry" said in the movies, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Dirty Tony's limitation is simple, he can't START keeping his promises until he gets the NEXT position.
So the consesus is that Hahn did okay in the first debate and AV looked like a statue with a hideous scwol frozen on his face. No matter how well he did, Hahn's had it! It's over for him. Now that the words out that Hertzbergs about to endorse his old pal and one-time room mate Antonio V "the Victorious", Hahn might just as well pack it in and get it over with. Why bother with an election.
Your dreaming I heard from very reliable source that Hertzberg is staying out of this one. He has it in for Antonio and Hahn burned him with commercials. Hahn did a great job. As long as he keeps going after Antonio's record he's doing good. Who the hell put all the girl make up on Antonio. He looked like a transvestite. Antonio stumbled too many times. He came off stupid when asked about the public schools being that his kids go to private school. Again flip flop...loved the fact that he doesn't have any accomplishments for the 2 years in council. Falling back on assembly record isn't going to help. It just shows he's been faking it.
The only ones "victorious" lately, 5:05 p.m. -- have been the gang-bangers in CD14. Yet another homicide, unanswered, unchallenged by the CM. What's that up to -- 14 or 15 recent deaths now? Who's minding the council seat? When does MR> "law and order" - "provide Bratton all the right tools" - "focus on public safety by setting up new neighborhood watches" - Villaraigosa start actually getting concerned about these things -- not until AFTER he's mayor of the whole city?
In that case, bring along a half-dozen more body bags by then. Good thing he saved us from paying that extra half-cent sales tax that would have bankrupted local merchants and sent people from Chinatown off the Alhambra to buyt their new cars. I'd SO much rather watch high school kids from the Eastside get buried before they're old enough to vote (for anyone) than have to pay another $35 bucks in sales tax on the big screen TV I've been eyeballing.
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"Young Man Shot and Killed"
Los Angeles: LAPD detectives are asking for the public's help in identifying the persons responsible for the death of 18 year-old, Omar Cervantes who was shot and killed on Sunday evening.
Omar Cervantes was standing in the roadway in front of 3600 El Sereno Avenue, saying goodbye to relatives, when three male Hispanics approached him in a 4-door 1989-98 light brown Honda Accord. The front passenger asked Cervantes "where are you from." Cervantes did not respond and attempted to turn away from the three men when one of the suspects fired a round, striking Cervantes.
As the suspects drove away from the location they fired two additional rounds at Cervantes relatives.
The suspects were described as three male, Hispanics 18 to 20 years-old. Omar Cervantes was taken to a local hospital where he died as a result of his injuries.
Anyone with information is asked to call Hollenbeck Detective Division at 323-526-3680.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ADV-lovers have turned into chicken-littles. Every couple days the alarm goes out -- LOOK OUT Hertzberg's gonna endorse ADV now (soon... sometime... any minute, day, week now). This is about the 5th time it's been posted here since the primary. Why would a guy who wanted to be mayor have any interest in giving a leg-up to the late-entrant that kept HIM from being the other guy facing a weakened Hahn in the runoff. Why would he want to risk waiting 8 more years for another shot (after Villaraigosa), when a Hahn reelection means the job's up for grabs again in 4. MOST of all, why would someone who had just started to develop a much broader base than leftie-Lib ADV want to risk alienating the whole middle-right half of that block even before he gets another chance to run.
I hear rumors, too. I hear ADV knew he sucked so bad last night, HE'S thinking of endorsing Hahn.
THE ISSUES:
Antonio: Has done nothing for public safety and in fact would have kept Bitter Bernie. Thought he was right man.
Hahn: Gave us Chief Bratton, brought back Senior Lead Officers after Bitter Bernie cut them, has given more money to CD14 for gang reduction programs then ADV, got rid of corrupt chief now recruitment up, morale way up, vets not retiring as fast
Antonio: Schools has not done a damn thing. Sends his kids to private school cause LAUSD isn't good enough
Hahn: Given LA'sBest after school programs for hard working parents and students.
Antonio: Traffic hasn't done crap and in fact forgot to collect $20 million in parking fines while Chair of Transportation committee
Hahn: Implemented great system to help flow of traffic throughout LA. Helped with the busiest intersection in LA
Antonio: He supports gangbangers and in fact sued LA when he was with ACLU defending criminals. Opposes gang injunctions
Hahn: wants gang injuctions througout city that have proven positive in curbing violence......the list goes on for Hahn...
Why is ADV trying to duck additional debates? Does he have something better to do? Or does he realize these bumper-sticker speeches he pounds out like they were something profound are starting to wear pretty thin. The more he talks to broad, televised audiences, the more his special interest pandering risks being discovered. He can't keep pounding un-indicted "corruption" 24/7 for many more weeks without looking like he's grabbing at straws that may never appear.
"Hey, that's not what ADV told us he was going to do when he was in our part of town!?"
Hahn was smart to dodge as many of the multi-candidate, mini-debates as he could in the primary, so at least some of his answers are fresh for the runoff.
Yeah, and why won't ADV go on McIntyre in the a.m. one-on-one, if he's so interested in picking up Hertzberg's percentage points? The host (who endorse Blob H. pre-primary) said today they've called him like 300 times. Meanwhile, Hahn's been on there once a week for a month putting out all the ADV "corruption" grass fires.
What's he got to hide so bad?
Gotta love Mariel Garza from Daily News who asked Antonio the hard questions. 70% of your constituents wanted to be self taxed to get more police officers why didn't you listen to them? She also asked Antonio you promised that you weren't going to run for mayor. Why should we believe you this time and this isn't a stepping stone to another position along the way. Go Girl!
Attention Deficient Villaraigosa's gross impotence as a public "servant" is on display once again this week. The Southwest Museum, the "jewel" of his district and home community for decades and one of its main tourist and cultural attractions is being consumed by the Gene Autry Museum (cowboys beating up the Indians again) and moved against the community's wishes to a new location, while ADV is twiddling his thumbs or sucking them, or something. He's been "supporting" its retention in Mount Washington (lip service) for several years now. They put a Goldline stop there just for the museum (remember... that's the mass transit ADV single-handedly saved?)
Gee, what well-known edifice will he have to stand in front of now for campaign mailer photos -- to prove he knows where CD14 is? He's been using the Southwest's picture for the last 3-4 races. Maybe he can still pose in front of the empty shell of what was L.A.'s first museum, now abandoned, and just tell people it's the new shrine to Antonio VIAGRA-gosa, patron saint of flaccid political support.
Gawd help you if ADV "supports" your cause. You might as well kiss it goodbye the minute he signs on...
HEADLINE: Autry National Center Commissions Overland Partners Architects to Design New Buildings and Galleries at Los Angeles Campus; Design will highlight collection of Southwest Museum of the American Indian and expand Center's Research Institute and Library
LOS ANGELES (March 7, 2005) -- The Autry National Center has selected Overland Partners Architects, an award-winning firm based in San Antonio, Texas, to develop a master
plan and design new buildings and expanded galleries for the multicultural history center's campus in Los Angeles's Griffith Park. The project will physically merge the multiple institutions that have come together in recent years to form the Autry National Center. A large portion of the Autry's expansion will be dedicated to the Southwest Museum of the American Indian, quintupling the gallery space currently devoted to its world-class collection.
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In case you missed the under-current there, ADV, that means YOU BLEW IT AGAIN. The main cultural jewel of your home community has been kidnapped ON YOU WATCH, and you look like a buffoon.
About time for those "Northeast Democrats" and Northeast Progressives" (all 12 of them) to take another vote I think, 'cuz their boy just let their main claim to fame walk away...
Today could be just the beginning. If the whole city gets the truth.
Each of the reporters can be reached anytime at this number.
LA Times 1-213-237-7000
Michael Finnegan
Jessica Garrison
Richard Fausset-Cell also-310-980-2158
Jeffery Rabin
All of thses reporters say they want some stories.Follow up on today.
To the previous blogger,people should call on the 80 Neighborhood Watches. a story that could be followed up and checked by the reporters as an investagative follow report story.It is fair, if it is true he gets credit, if not he does not.
Another story, 14th district loses South west Museum.
Reporters
LA TIMES 1-213-237-7000
Michaeal Finnegan
Jeffery Rabin
Richard Fausset c-310-980-2158
Jessica Garrisson
Hey MEAT why is your boss Antonio being excused from city council for personal business this Friday, April 1st? Hasn't he already missed more days last year cause he was campaigning for Kerry. He's an absentee CM for CD14. He's letting his district go down hill fast because he's too busy campaigning for mayor on our tax dollars.
Har Har Har! You people are hilarious! Keep it up! You're killing me Larry!
C'mon, it's obvious... Tony V. can't be in session on April Fool's Day? It's a holiday named after his political career. They might close session in honor of the memory of his last viable year as a public servant... 1999.
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