Rumor Mill and Scorecard
First things first.
Tuesday night, high drama at UTLA. The Los Angeles County democratic party will endorse or not endorse a candidate for mayor.
Word is Mayor Hahn has the votes for the endorsement himself, Antonio needs a comeback here.
However, if i were a reporter do i look for some tea leaves in how certain members vote?
Andrea Alarcon surely will vote the way her father wishes, word is she will be there, so do we get some info on who Alarcon will endorse because of her vote? Who knows.
How does the Hertzberg clan vote -- David Phelps surely will vote the way Bob wishes. Word is he will be in attendance as well.
Why does Julie Wong keep bugging poor Clark Lee? He's an Antonio supporter leave him alone.
We've received the vote tally of how everyone voted the first time, are there any switches, only time will tell. High drama indeed.
SCORECARD TIME.
Hahn still has the mighty LA Chamber -- Antonio - Supervisor Yvonne Burke, City Controller Laura Chick and Republican assemblyman and former Hertzberg Co-Chair Keith Richman.
Jim Hahn - 1
Tony Villar - 3
Who gets the Valley homeowners? Where do the endorsements go? Do we even care?
And lastly Time magazine says this -- thats a major point for Antonio if true.
And where is MEAT?
blog away dum-dums
Tuesday night, high drama at UTLA. The Los Angeles County democratic party will endorse or not endorse a candidate for mayor.
Word is Mayor Hahn has the votes for the endorsement himself, Antonio needs a comeback here.
However, if i were a reporter do i look for some tea leaves in how certain members vote?
Andrea Alarcon surely will vote the way her father wishes, word is she will be there, so do we get some info on who Alarcon will endorse because of her vote? Who knows.
How does the Hertzberg clan vote -- David Phelps surely will vote the way Bob wishes. Word is he will be in attendance as well.
Why does Julie Wong keep bugging poor Clark Lee? He's an Antonio supporter leave him alone.
We've received the vote tally of how everyone voted the first time, are there any switches, only time will tell. High drama indeed.
SCORECARD TIME.
Hahn still has the mighty LA Chamber -- Antonio - Supervisor Yvonne Burke, City Controller Laura Chick and Republican assemblyman and former Hertzberg Co-Chair Keith Richman.
Jim Hahn - 1
Tony Villar - 3
Who gets the Valley homeowners? Where do the endorsements go? Do we even care?
And lastly Time magazine says this -- thats a major point for Antonio if true.
And where is MEAT?
blog away dum-dums
Posted by Anonymous @ 3/21/2005 10:38:00 PM
38 Comments:
Ha Ha Ha... good joke; John (whiny east coast bourgeoisie) Kerry's endorsement is a "plus" for ADV... Ha ha ha. ROFLOL. Couldn't take down the dumbest sounding president since Jimmy Carter. Hee Haw! Tell me another funny story.......
Wrong, Parker -- Kerry's endorsement is a minus-one point for ADV... LOOOOOOO-zer. (Plus ANY mention of Kerry reminds people in CD14 how much of their "district time" Loser Villaraigosa spent trying to keep Loser Kerry from losing.
If Kerry is even thinking about endorsing Loser Villaraigosa I agree it will remind CD14 how much time he spent campaigning for Kerry and not doing his job. Secondly, Kerry would not want to be aligned to a loser like ADV especially when all the negative stuff starts coming out about all his affairs, cheating on his wife while she was in the hospital, making promises to everyone and not keeping them, not doing anything in his own district for 2 years. Its a sign of desperation when you have to get an outsider not a local to enddorse to help you out. I'm sure this will go over well with the Republicans in the Valley.
What bias Mayor Sam and Chief Parker. Why don't you score the points fairly on all the endorsements Hahn has and loser Tony?
What bias Mayor Sam and Chief Parker. Why don't you score the points fairly on all the endorsements Hahn has and loser Tony?
Kerry should be a minus 1. He is a L-O-S-E-R. If he really wanted to help Antonio, he'd heed Hal Bernon's best line "I'll endorse you or your opponent; whichever will do you the most good".
However, I score Yvonne as a TWO (2), especially in light of her standing in the community and her past history of being a Hahnista.
The Chamber is not worth a whole point, maybe 1/2.
What about Maxine Waters? What is the Democratic Party endorsement worth? How about Magic Johnson? What is that worth? How about some of the other Supervisors? Yaroslavsky, Molina, Antonovich, Knabe?
I think Sam needs to assign the points BEFORE the endorsments start to flow. Go to it.
Give me a fu--ing break. Antonio had a lot of endorsements in 2001 and that didnt help him to Win. He's going to lose once again. The blacks may stand behind those losers like Waters who doesn't give a shit about her own community, and Burke who allowed King/Drew to go down the toliet or yeah and let's not forget Bitter Bernie who no one gives a shit about cause he acts WHITE. Bottom line citywide is that its not time for a LATINO mayor especially one who has a sexual addict problem and can't seem to keep his zipper up. Word is the women will come out. ITS ALL IN TIMING!!
How about these "points" -- list ALSO now includes about as many Black South L.A. ministers as did ADV's little joint photo-op with Parks. . .
Endorsements (for Hahn)
(Partial list)
Organizations
American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees District Council 36
Central City Association
Communication Workers of America Southern California Council
International Association of Bridge, Structural, and Ornamental Ironworkers Local 433
ILWU Southern California District Council
Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce
Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO
Los Angeles County Firefighters Local 1014
Los Angeles Fire Department Chief Officers Association
Los Angeles/Orange County Building Trades
Los Angeles Police Protective League
National Electrical Contractors Association
Operating Engineers Local 12
Operating Engineers Local 501
San Pedro Chamber of Commerce
Service Employees International Union Local 347
Service Employees International Union Local 399
Service Employees International Union Local 434B
Service Employees International Union Local 535
Service Employees International Union Local 660
Service Employees International Union Local 1877
Southern California District Council of Laborers
Southern California Pensioners Group, ILWU
Southern California Pipe Trades
Southwest Regional Council of Carpenters
Teamsters Joint Council 42
United Firefighters of Los Angeles City
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 770
United Steelworkers of America, Los Angeles/Orange Counties Legislation and Education Committee
Individuals
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein
U.S. Congresswoman Bobbi Fiedler (Ret.)
U.S. Congresswoman Grace Napolitano
U.S. Congresswoman Linda Sanchez
California State Senator Gil Cedillo
California State Senator Herschel Rosenthal (Ret.)
California State Senator Jack Scott
California State Assemblymember Betty Karnette
California State Assemblymember Rudy Bermudez
Los Angeles City Councilmember Eric Garcetti
Los Angeles City Councilmember Janice Hahn
Los Angeles City Councilmember Tom LaBonge
Los Angeles City Councilmember Cindy Miscikowski
Los Angeles City Councilmember Jan Perry
Los Angeles City Councilmember Ed Reyes
Los Angeles City Councilmember Greig Smith
Mike Lansing, Los Angeles Board of Education Member
Jon Lauritzen, Los Angeles Board of Education Member
Eric C. Bauman, Chair, Los Angeles County Democratic Party
John J. O'Kane, President, California College Democrats
Bert Boeckmann, owner, Galpin Motors, Inc.
Mary A. Allen
Joy Atkinson
Walter Backstrum
Ray Bradbury
Felicia Brannon
Eli Broad
Elliot Broidy
Norman Bullock, 2nd Baptist Church
William Chadwick
Martha Cisneros
Isaac Cohanzad
Geneva Cox, founder, 10th District Council Women's Steering Committee
Rolando Cuevas
David Cunningham, Sr., former Los Angeles City Councilmember
Betty Day
Ezatolah Delijani
Nate De Vaughn, founder, Safe Passage Ministry
Jackie DuPont-Walker, Ward AME - Executive Director of Ward Villas Senior Housing
Pat Herrera Duran
John B. Emerson
Rev. William Epps, 2nd Baptist Church
Shawn Evenhaim
Tyrone Freeman, President, SEIU 434B
John Frierson
Susie Frierson
Josh Futterman
David Galaviz
Sherman Gamson
Don Garza, Central City East/Skid Row
Tom Gilmore
Patty Glaser
Jeffrey L. Glassman
Laurie L. Goldman
Dorothy Gould
Joseph Gould
Justo Gonzales
Reverend Grim, Watts Baptist
Gene Hale
JB Hardwick, minister, Praises of Zion Baptist Church
“Sweet Alice” Harris
Ron Hasson, President, Beverly Hills/Hollywood NAACP
Jim Hilfenhaus
Lyn Hilfenhaus, Chair, California Democratic Party Women's Caucus
Lois Jean Hill
Arthur Hirshberg
Judith Hirshberg
Herb Hudson, business owner - Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles
Tony Jenkins, Parents of Watts
Tiger Kang
Howard Keyes
Donald Lancaster
Lonnie Lewis
Roberta Lewis
Myriam Lopez
Bob Manley
Reverend George Matsubayashi
Marvin Markowitz
Elvin Moon
Dr. Lou Moret
Sam Mudie
David J. Nagel
Jack M. Nagel
Ronald Nagel, MD
Monica S. Navarro
Edward Norton
Lee Ramer
Willie Moto Robinson
Margaret Roland
Dominick Rubalcava
Rosa Russell, President,10th District Council Women's Steering Committee
Fred C. Sands
Gloria Saucedo
John H. Semcken III
Valerie Lynne Shaw
Rev. Benjamin Shortridge, Executive Director, Los Angeles Family and Community Empowerment Services
Lisa Baca-Sigala
Jackie Simm, Watts Neighborhood Council
Robyn Ritter Simon
Robert Simonds
Mimi Soto
Delores Spears
Richard Vasquez
M. Teresa Villegas
Carmen H. Warschaw
Hope Warschaw
Rev. Leslie White, Grant AME
Rev. Mark Whitlock, Senior Pastor, Christ Our Redeemer Church; past Associate Pastor, First AME
Jimmie Woods-Gray, member of the United Teachers of Los Angeles and Los Angeles County Democratic Party Central Committee
Charlie Woo
YOU GO JIMMY!
Chief Parker you are out of your mind. We all know that the Daily News and LAT don't like Hahn. For the past several months they've been slamming him and still he made the run-off. So your assumption that the candidate that gets a piece in newspaper is a joke. Wake up! We are amazed that you would still be sooooo naive and really believe (poor thing) that Antonio will make it this time. Just look back at 2001. He had the same damn momentum and endorsements. All it takes is one truth to come out and it can kiss it all goodbye. I'm waiting for that day.
Neighborhood Councils wholeheartedly support Hahn. Antonio hasn't even given us the time of day.
Neighborhood Councils wholeheartedly support Hahn? Perhaps you haven't been to Westchester. After Hahn broke his promise to limit LAX to 78 million annual passengers and his staff refused to work on any compromises on the LAX Master Plan with the community, Westchester will not vote for Hahn.
That's not what I hear. There was a community meeting at the Presbertyain Church on Sepulveda and the group overwhelming (some who were NC reps) stated between the two candidates and their records Hahn had their vote.
You "regular" bloggers have missed the boat entirely! You have failed to mention the obvious. Some of Hahn's endorsements are now being investigated and found to be fraudulent. How many more has Hahn (not just his people because he directs his staff) falsified? Frank Martinez (City Clerk appointed by Hahn) has admitted to re-marking ballots and altered computer programs on the counters without notification to the candidates OR the State. Who gave him the orders to do so and who has the most to gain by it? Will the Mayor simply slap him on the wrist as punishment? Of course, you can deduce why. Hahn is a desperate man and has done anything and everything to win this election. Why? Because he must in order to have the political clout to save himself. His administration is corrupt and more of his underhanded dealings (payoffs) are starting to surface. There are only so many times you can use the excuse "I didn't know about that". Is this to mean that each of his staff run their own little section as Jr. Mayors without any oversight from the Mayor? His Deparmtent appointees run their departments like personal kingdoms, but they can only follow by example. This "Captain Hahn" cannot steer this ship, get one who can!
You "regular" bloggers have missed the boat entirely! You have failed to mention the obvious. Some of Hahn's endorsements are now being investigated and found to be fraudulent. How many more has Hahn (not just his people because he directs his staff) falsified? Frank Martinez (City Clerk appointed by Hahn) has admitted to re-marking ballots and altered computer programs on the counters without notification to the candidates OR the State. Who gave him the orders to do so and who has the most to gain by it? Will the Mayor simply slap him on the wrist as punishment? Of course, you can deduce why. Hahn is a desperate man and has done anything and everything to win this election. Why? Because he must in order to have the political clout to save himself. His administration is corrupt and more of his underhanded dealings (payoffs) are starting to surface. There are only so many times you can use the excuse "I didn't know about that". Is this to mean that each of his staff run their own little section as Jr. Mayors without any oversight from the Mayor? His Deparmtent appointees run their departments like personal kingdoms, but they can only follow by example. This "Captain Hahn" cannot steer this ship, get one who can!
FROM MEAT:
I am here always lurking.
To the poster above, you sir are 100% correct.
blog away dum-dums
I keep hearing this theme over and over again on Mayor Sam's about neighborhood councils endorsing candidates.
Neighborhood councils can not officially endorse candidates running for political office.
I repeat NC's Can not endorse politcal candidates for office. If this is happneing then somone needs to investigate these NC's Which are doing so.
"There are only so many times you can use the excuse, 'I didn't know about that'."
Please let me know exactly how many times that is (for Hahn), because the same rule should apply to ADV about CD14, where his love-sick supporters have been excusing him day after day after day for the gross incompetency of his staff for TWO YEARS with the constant mantra, "Oh, it's not our beloved Antonio that doing us dirty -- he LOVES us! He just picked some back staff members. If he KNEW how incompetent they were, he'd FIX things (but he's to busy trying to be... the 'big idea' guy, a national figure, a future mayor, a future __________), pick some other position."
What ADV doesn't KNOW about his own district could fill this blog up 50 times a day. That's the type of "dedicated" attention he'll give the city, if elected. Save yourself some time, ADV-lovers, start making excuses for him NOW, or he'll leave you in the dust. Here's some for starters.. "Oh, "Mayor Tony CAN'T deal with the traffic issues, he's marking on Washington over illegal immigrants rights; he CAN'T work on a plan to improve schools, he's too indebted to the teachers' unions to ever suggest making any changes that might threaten their authority; he CAN'T deal with crime in the streets, he's launching an exploratory committee to see if there's enough support to run for governor.
He CAN'T be a competent mayor -- ONLY a candidate!
So if the "point count" on endorsements started up again post-primary? Great, so ask yourself WHY is it so VERY few of the hundreds of prominent supporters of the guys who ran 3rd, 4th, and 5th (and beyond), in the primary haven't immediately jumped on board the ADV bandwagon? You might understand why the also-ran candidates themselves are taking their time -- they may want to make deals, see what effect their endorsement may have on future support, (or even just to) let people start to forget how bad they bashed Hahn when they wanted his job, so they can endorse him (or just NOT endorse ADV), and not be such obvious hypocrites.
There are hardly ANY new Parks, Hertzberg, or Alarcon endorsers on Villaraigosa's list in the two full weeks since the primary. IF all these people were just anti-Hahn (as the deluded pro-ADV bloggers here suggested -- using faulty exit polls as "proof"), then why haven't they all come running to ADV? (ANSWER: Because just as many were ANTI-ADV to begin with and were trying to avoid a repeat of 2001).
Don't just look at the "points" being handed out by biased judges on this blog, look at the number of "missed shots" ADV supporters thought he would have already converted to points, and hasn't.
Yes, neighborhood councils cannot endorse candidates. Previous posters were using shorthand to suggest that the leaders of NCs (as private, unpaid, volunteer activists), CAN and have endorsed various candidates. Their positions on NCs listed with their endorsements always carry the appropriate disclaimer "...for identification purposes only." Pre-primary, the presidents of nearly every NC in Council District 14 endorsed someone other than Villaraigosa (their own councilmember). In the runoff, the same will be true. If you have to ask yourself "why" you're already too much of a pro-Tony partisan to give yourself a logical answer, and therefore hopeless. NC leaders are the front lines in community activism, and Villaraigosa has been absent from, and a stumbling block to, any community improvements and activist work in CD14 that didn't come with a photo-op, or that might take more than 30 minutes away from campaigning for another job. He considers strong, progressive community leaders a threat to his authority and agenda, but mostly to his own massive ego.
Another funny quote from Tony...Daily News...."The first thing the next mayor has to do is restore trust with the community." It will be interesting to see how Alarcon who has publicly said Antonio blatantly disrespected and LIED to him about running. Hertzberg who Antonio during a phone conversation blatantly LIED saying he wouldn't run will go. I don't endorsements much matter at this point. Antonio got tons of them in 2001 and they didn't help when the truth about that drug letter and him taking money from the Vignali family came out. There's another really good story about to hit the fan real soon.
MEAT get over it. Even Hertzberg was quoted in Daily News stating that he and his attorney were fine with the way Martinez handled the ballots. You Antonio lovers are looking for any little thing you can. MEAT so you NEVER ANSWERED what's Antonio's positon on 3-12???????? We're waiting!!!
"What's his position on 3-12?" That's not the question. . . The right question is:
"What do you WANT it to be, and how much is it worth to you (in campaign contributions)." But the offer's only good until the audience changes!
Apparently you guys at the Hahn campaign are really under pressure if you're coming up with this kind of cheesy crap. Most are aware of the technique of "faking quotes" from the other guys district. It works hand in hand with faking endorsements from dead people. On March 8th we found that Villaraigosa has overwhelming support from his district which puts the lie to your posting. As in most lies, there is a kernel of truth and I think that what you are really alluding to is the talk being heard in every council district about the need to get rid of Hahn. Once again, March 8th tells us much about this in that Hahn was defeated in 14 out of 15 council districts by Villaraigosa. In his own district, 3 1/2 years of his and his sisters pandering barely got him above 50% which made the 15th the only district he beat AV in. The people that know him best, even after receiving the largess, are strongly reconsidering 4 more years.
Your meal ticket wielding Hahn's political hatchet is coming to an end.
Jim Alger, I mean chief parker seems to be in the know. It's all speculation at this point.
Andrea Alarcon and Hertzberg's supporters' votes may tell which way they are leaning but who will you hear it from first.
FROM MEAT:
So Hal Bernson who endorsed Hahn already, endorses him again. Let's see if that one reaches mayor sam's scorecard.
Antonio gets endorsed by Congressman Brad Sherman today, Gerry Silver president of the Encino homeowners Association and Bill Jasper Encinio Proprty owners.
The reason why these guys are important are simple, they bring votes, because they are leaders in their respective communities.
If the folks that believe endorsements mean nothing, they should talk to Jim Hahn because he is going all out to get every endorsement. Why? If they mean nothing.
The fact is they do, voters look to fellow leaders to tell them how to vote, not all voters mind you, but some.
And for those that do Jim Hahn and Antonio Villaraigosa want their endorsement, simple as that.
As for tonight, some other key tea leaves to read are how does Maxine Waters representative vote, how do the Parks supporters vote?
As to this whole thing about white people not voting for a mexican or blacks not voting for a latino.
Know this -- Whites and blacks overwhelmingly supported past candidates who were Latino when they were up against a white candidate.
South LA and the Valley have this history, i think what folks are misreading is that these same voters supported Jim Hahn 4 years ago because of his father and his reputation as an OK sort of fella. Not because they were anti-latino.
Now that Jim Hahn has a record, a shameful one at that, he is losing and trailing big time among these same constituency groups.
But MEAT never supplies data or backs up his claims, the only data i need comes from March 8th. Where the people who did show up to vote represent the entire view (100%) of the city and the council district. If a voter doesn't vote its not a rejection of the candidate, its a rejection of the time they had, perhaps they were busy, perhaps they were unaware there was an election on that day. I don't think not voting is a negative opinion on the candidate or issue. Not voting means nothing.
And for those bloggers that want to stretch and plead that it does, fine have fun, but you are not convincing anyone.
blog away
I'd say score four or five more points for Antonio tonight, as he unrolls Richard Alarcon and another big, biggie, The Godmother Herself, Maxine Waters.
Hahnistas, keep telling yourself that the Blacks won't vote for Antonio with The Ministers, Yvonne, Herb, Now Maxine and shortly Bernard endorsing. If that ain't cover, I don't know what is. The coalition is waning, no?
Mayor Sam, gotta give at least two for Maxine, I'd call it three myself.
Bye Bye, Jimbo.
MEAT, that was the March 8 just after you crowed about how "accurate" the SurveyUSA numbers always were for the L.A. Mayors race. The SurveyUSA numbers that over-predicted ADV's share of the vote by almost THIRTY PERCENT (that's tough math, but figure it out... est. 41% instead of 32% of the actual vote) over what he actually received. Gotta love those Meat "facts" - keep on believing that the same narrow core of supporters and psycho-fants will grow and grow and grow into a broad 50+ percent coalition of citywide voters.
If you loved March 8, 2005 -- you must have loved April 10, 2001 (when the percentages were nearly identical and turnout was much higher). Remember how that turned out??? Mr. A(DV)CLU can't build a broad coalition... never has, never will. Hell, he's not even as "pretty" as he was 4 years ago, and has lost more steam than "old faithful." He's NEARLY as boring now as the boring candidate that clobbered him 4 years ago.
*NEWS FLASH*
Mayor Hahn fails to prevent the Los Angeles County Democratic Party from endorsing Antonio Villaraigosa. Villaraigosa went on to get the endorsement after receiving over 60% of the membership vote.
You go Meat!
Numbers don't lie.
Hahn must be contmplating an Ira Reiner indeed. If so, he has the architects of that brilliant stroke right next to him; well, not exactly, Wardlaw and Carrick were missing in action last night, come to think of it, so was Kam Kuwata. Kam must be running back to Diane for cover.
Watch 'em leave the ship...
Let's all just remember 2001. This is playing out exactly the same way and low and behold a major newsflash that made Antonio lose.
I could care less if Hahn wins. The residents of Los Angeles will be the big losers cause he will be the most impotent mayor in the history of Los Angeles. The true leaders and shakers in LA aren't backing him for mayor and I doubt they will come running cause he needs them more than they need him.
Good luck Jim...your second term, if you happen to win the election, will be a major disappointment
How exactly does Bernard Parks "act white"? I'm sure this would be news to the huge majority of black voters who voted for him. Here's a tip to whoever issued that idiotic statement: It is the biggest sign of disrespect for a non-black to characterize what an African American should act like. And, yes I can tell that you're a non-black because no self-respecting black would ever make a statement like that in public... even if it was anonymous. Also, I would appreciate a list of things to pass on to Parks and other black electeds to make sure that they act more "black". Can you give me a list please?
Where have you been? Parks own people stated it in the news media while he was campaigning. Did you not go to the commnity meeting in South LA? You should ask one of the reporters from KCAL9 or 11 to tell you how he got blasted because the "blacks" told him that now all of a sudden he wants to act their color. You should have heard what they told him. And yes BLACKS did tell Parks he acts white.
Then I would guess the majority of blacks that voted for him must have all punched the wrong chad. Another tip to a non-black: Just because a handful of black people(probably Hahn plants) at a rally say it, doesn't mean it's so. And, you repeating it makes is sound even dumber, especially since you can't give me any instances where he's "acted white" or not "acted black" enough. I'm dying to hear some of your "acting black" tips. Please respond.
Can we drop the "acting white" stuff and all that BS and concentrate on substance. What reasons did Maxine give for endorsing Antonio? I just hope she didn't say anything about Antonio being a good councilmember for his constituents in CD14. That would be an outright lie. So, please will somebody tell me why Maxine endorsed Antonio. Please.
Antonio didn't fire Chief Parks!
The FIREFLY says that very soon the City Controller is going to lower the boom on Hahns head again by revealing some nasty business involving a well-know Latino Commissioner and Valley resident who has pulled some pretty shaddy shenanigans when awarding contracts. He's been singled out before but this time Chief Parker has the cuffs ready and waiting. . . stay tuned for this one boys and girls. . .
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