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Thursday, March 24, 2005

Jewish Journal - 30 Forgeries

Ok, I don't know what's going on but just minutes ago the Jewish Journal released their story on the web regarding the Hahn campaign and forgeries.

Let me paint the picture for a second:

Hahn gets prominent Jewish individuals to endorse his campaign -- fair and square.

Hertzberg enters the race for mayor and woos many of these folks to his camp, fair and square.

Now, the Jewish Journal reports that 30 of those endorsements are fakes.

A campaign that uses fake endorsement cards isn't that bad right?

An administration that has 2 grand jury investigation isn't that bad right?

An administration that has a FBI probe can't be that bad right?

Investigations from the City Controller, City Attorney and District Attorney doesn't mean that the Mayor is bad, right?

Massive corruption, investigations galore, and an indictment -- does that sort of work culture produce a campaign that would issue FAKE endorsements?

Answer: Yes.


Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thirty - Wow - Every time I think I've heard the worse - I hear even worse.

March 24, 2005 8:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well so much for the two candidates, our city deserves better.My wife and I will not vote for either of these men.We may be libral Jews, but we are not stupid.

March 24, 2005 8:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

as a hahn supporter I am now peeved.

very pissed off. I want answers and I want to know why his campaign has dropped the ball like this and has insulted a part of the la community that votes as a block.

I want answers. And I want them now. What I say and I what I do in the poling place may be two different things.

March 24, 2005 8:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When it's something as important as putting somebody's name down on paper, you don't just get remit cards and take them as is. You want to make sure to get their information, call them up, and speak to them personally to verify that their endorsement truly belongs to you.

I figured that somebody who has been in elected office for over 20 years would know to make sure that any endorsement (particularly from an important voting block like the Jewish community) is set in stone before putting it out to the community. I guess I was wrong.

March 24, 2005 10:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jimmy's standard response will be forthcoming. We've all heard it so many times that any of us could write it for him. It goes something like this:

"I don't know anything about this. If they were false, those who did this should be punished. People make mistakes sometimes, and sometimes they change their minds.

I will look into it, and you can be sure that wrongdoers will be punished. My father, Kenny Hahn, the maverick, was attacked like this, but he had you in mind every time he did something."

Close enough?

Blog away, Anti-Antonios. Can't wait to hear how the 14th District suffers an even worse fate under AV. But guys, check your spelling and try not to hit the "Login and Publish" button more than once. I know it's hard, but do it for all of us.

March 24, 2005 10:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I have searched in vain for the list of the 100, just to see if people I know, maybe even myself, are on the list.

Somebody's gotta have it...please post it here.


March 24, 2005 11:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Don't get me wrong, i am not fan of Anotonio Villaraigosa.

But simple ethics tells me 30 forgeries is wrong. Simple logic says this is a product of the Jim Hahn administration.

And a simple look at my calendar says to not vote in may.

Everyone can kiss this republican valley jewish voter good-bye.

March 24, 2005 11:39 PM  

Anonymous meat said:


Why even campaign agaist Hahn when Hahn can't even run a decent campaign?

blog away

March 25, 2005 12:03 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I do not think that Mayor Hahn is dishonest, but that he just has a problem with surrounding himself with people who have questionable ethics. Ultimately, he will have to account for the misdeeds of underlings and it will have to be more than the empty statement of, "I take full responsibility." Hahn should just do L.A. a favor by resigning as Mayor and dropping out of the election.

March 25, 2005 12:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Carrick, Wardlaw, is that you? Ira Reiner, redux?

How do you guys get work?

Susan E.

March 25, 2005 3:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Carrick? Wardlaw? Is that you?

Ira Reiner, redux?

How do you guys get work?

Susan E.

March 25, 2005 3:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes, you guys are all right. Hahn's campaign is full of idiots and as such, easily infiltrated. Let's see, a Jewish Hahn supporter gets these singature cards from prominent members of the Jewish community. Does Hahn have any reason to question these cards? Sounds like another Skelton tactc to me. Was that 30 signatures or 30 pieces of silver?

March 25, 2005 6:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If Hahn is a micromanager, who controls most (if not every) aspect of his reelection campaign, and we find out his campaign has forged endorsement documents, then can we conclude that there is no one else responsible for the forgeries but Hahn himself? By the way, I'd hate to be a Hahn staffer or appointee at this point.

March 25, 2005 7:28 AM  

Anonymous Finger Pointer said:

Is Hahn a micromanager? Who does everyone really think is to blame? I mean. Hahn himself didn't fill out those cards. Who do you think did?

March 25, 2005 7:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Let's see, who are the suspects?

A. Joe Klein - but, he's been a dead a while, but Parke could have gotten him to do it anyway, right?

B. Ted Stein - He's got nothing else to do, and does know the Jews.

C. Doug Dowie - He has nothing else to do, either.

D. Leland Wong - He has nothing else to do, either.

E. Troy Edwards - Certainly knows the players from his bag carrying days, and, he has nothing to do, either.

F. Hertzberg - Set this one up for the runoff, but forgot to enter. Possibility.

G. Jim Hahn - Are you kidding? The last thing he does is micromanage. He can't even plain manage. "He knows nothing about this, but, he'll look into it and punish those who have done this". Where have we heard this before?

H. Some overzealous supporter, like the dopes that post on this blog and can't see past the ends of their noses.

I. Who really cares? The scammers got caught, and now the price is to be paid. One more act of corruption to go along with the countless others that plague this administration. This will be the sinking of Jimmy. Just plain NO MANAGEMENT.

March 25, 2005 8:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, 10:52, do you live in the 14th? If you do, please tell me why you think Antonio has been a good councilmember. If you don't...probably you are just writing anything to support your guy.

And it looks as if Parke got a lot of Antonio supporters out early. In the immortal words of MEAT: Blog away Dum Dums

March 25, 2005 9:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lets continue with the list:

J. Steve Barkan, or is it Grey-Barkan or Barkan-Grey, whatever - that little Tony name change thing didn't really work, did it? He's accustomed to running sneaky, underhanded campaigns wrought with wild allegations with no factual basis to back them up.

K. Ace Smith - maybe this was the reason Tony and Parke brought him into this campaign - his Hahn ambushes haven't really worked yet.

L. MEAT/Ullysees - he'd do anything to impress his bosses - stick to website design.

M. Yolanda Chavez - her dismall showing at the County Demo's probably pushed her to pull something like this out of her hat.

N. Natalie Reyes - she was seeing that Arab fellow beind Gilbert's back - maybe it's an Al Qaeda plot, anything to nail those Jews.

O. Rolando "The Big O" , maybe his big mouth just caught up with him.

P. Alvin "Homer Simpson" Parra - he's pulled stunts like this before - DOOOH!

Q. Kam Kuwata - is this the reason he's off the payroll?

blog on....

March 25, 2005 9:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What about some other Hahn supporters in the jewish community?

March 25, 2005 9:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe it is the Fly?

March 25, 2005 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam you're getting as bad as the Daily News and LAT with your bias. As if Antonio is a saint why don't you post the fact that 7 of Antonio's city staffers have taken a PAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE TO WORK ON HIS CAMPAIGN. Its our tax dollars paying for them to not do their job for the community. Why don't you post ANTONIO LIED about the 80 nieghborhood watches and as scaled back calling them "a dozen." Why don't you post HE LIED ABOUT running for mayor. Why don't you post the fact that he has NO RECORD OF BEING A COUNCILMAN. As Chair of Transportation committee has done nothing about traffic in LA. Education and Neighborhood Committee hasn't even attended Neighborhood Council meetings and TOOK MONEY FROM 2 NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS WHILE SITTING ON OVER $300,000. Let's be fair here Sammy

March 25, 2005 9:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7 staffers took a paid leave of absence to work on the campaign????????

Hopefully someone from Ethics hears about this-that is blatantly against the rules. Take a leave form your job-no big deal. That is how it is done. But to have the CITY OF LOS ANGELES pay for you to campaign is disgraceful. And Antonio's campaign looks that much more flush because they are not paying 7 additional salaries.

Who are these people? I WANT NAMES.

March 25, 2005 9:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar and can't be trusted. Someone prove me wrong.

End of story!

March 25, 2005 9:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat said: "Why even campaign agaist Hahn when Hahn can't even run a decent campaign?"

Don't go away self-satisfied, Meat. Just go away. You won't be missed. ADV can find plenty of other people to lie for him on the blog.

March 25, 2005 9:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I love how these Anti-Antonio folks anonymously throw out an accusation on a web log with no proof whatsoever and expect an official investigation to begin.

Do you people really think that your anonymous rantings are enough to warrant a criminal investigation? If you're serious then put your name out there and provide some evidence. That's just what the Jewish Journal did - they gave proof Jim Hahn's campaign falsified endorsements.

If you can't do that then go back to "strategizing" on that recall or get Pacheco to run again.

March 25, 2005 9:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe it won't launch an official investigation - but it sure got you to respond. Shouldn't you be getting ready for tomorrow's big moblization. If it was up to your campaign hierarchy, Tony wouldn't be anywhere near the eastside.

March 25, 2005 9:54 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

The "7 on leave" story makes a lot of sense now. I was outside one of Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa's field offices this very a.m. at 5 minutes before opening time, and the parking spaces were empty and every light was out in the building. (I know, I KNOW, they don't HAVE to show up 5 minutes early... but NO ONE was there? You go to any other district's field offices right before opening hour, and somebody's in there making coffee, setting up for a meeting, something...)

I'd bet more than just the "Moribund Seven" of the ADV® Krew are "on leave," officially or otherwise, and most of the rest are hardly keeping banker's hours... working on his campaign until late at night, and just barely showing up for work in time for the first coffee break (have to get those last minute Hahn-digs in on Mayor Sam's from the home PC before they head into the office... assuming they can still FIND the office).

The FUNNIEST part is, I haven't heard any larger number of complaints than usual about district work not getting done. Apparently they do so little when they ARE working "full-time" that when a large number are on leave, it's barely noticeable. (Although several people in CD14 have said to me... "don't approach ADV®'s field staff for the next couple months -- everything's on "hold" until after the runoff.)

The only thing really bad about having ADV®'s hand-picked, out-of-town employees working less then they're supposed to (in order to pick up their paychecks), is that they still PICK UP THEIR PAYCHECKS.

Not doing your job because you're incompetent -- pre-mayoral campaign -- is one thing (that's the fault of the person who employed you -- ADV®), but phoning it in and still taking the paycheck for it -- during the campaign -- is, ummm, what's the word? STEALING?

But hey, it's only the taxpayers getting ripped off. That's far less of a "crime" than not being careful enough when checking out the identity of people signing endorsement cards. Let's continue down this path; INDICT people who make "mistakes" and PROMOTE the ones who lie and steal to their "employers" (us)!

That's how to build a GREAT city! (It's hard to make sure people understand in print, but that was sarcasm).

March 25, 2005 10:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HEY 9:48. Did it ever occur to you that some of us might not WANT Pacheco to run again? That we might not want anyone else to step in after just two years and have to start things all over again. Most districts get to have the same councilmember in office for several terms - at least two now with term limits, and they don't start things really rolling until they been in office for awhile. If he makes Mayor, we will have had 4 different people in that seat since 1999 (that's only 6-7 years).

There are a lot of us that believed Villaraigosa, trusted him to improve CD14, supported him in his initial efforts (small ones in any case), talked him up to people who were skeptical, and then were Betrayed (with a capital 'B'). That can't be denied, spin that all you want.

Is it too much to ask that Villaraigosa keep his promise, get back to work - at the job he's getting paid for, hire some competent staffers for a change (they don't have to be ex-Pacheco staffers, but it would be nice idf they actually knew the names of some of the CD14 communities - maybe even lived in the district?), and make CD14 better than it was when he stepped into office.

Shoot me for being trusting. Shame on me for supporting his efforts the first 6 months, crap on me for feeling betrayed and disappointed when he broke the biggest promised of his council campaign - boldy and with silly statements about the fact that we supported him in doing so. Damn me for saying he lied to me, and not being forgiving for the the fact that he's on to yet another game, and obviously isn't any more serious about this one, than the last.

March 25, 2005 10:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar and can't be trusted. Someone prove me wrong.

End of story!

March 25, 2005 10:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Enough with the sour grapes. If Antonio wins, then you get to elect someone new and you can get every candidate to sign a pledge to whatever you expect of them with a timeline of realistic results. So if they don't measure up you can kick them out in four years. But that's democracy.

And if Antonio loses, you get a chance to boot him outa' office in a couple of years.

As for the idiot who repeats "Antonio is a pathological liar. Someone prove me wrong", I say this:

You're a moron. Someone prove me wrong.

March 25, 2005 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn already responded to the endorsment "forgeries" if that's what they were, yesterday, on radio. He basically said they weren't collected by his staff, but by volunteers - so there's no one to "punish." He was sorry it happened, and they fixed the ad they appeared in (and I think mailers?), with the names removed and re-ran it with the correct endorsements listed as soon as they found out there was a problem.

Is it really that big a stretch to think that since most of these same people endorsed him last time around they didn't feel the need to go running out and double-check to see if they were still on board, once the cards came in? Hey, I don't keep running back to my "significant other" every day asking, "you still love me right?" (Some day's I'd be afraid of the answer).

March 25, 2005 10:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

10:35 said: "You're a moron. Someone prove me wrong."

OK, but you're not going to like the answer.

1) You obviously support Villaraigosa for mayor.

2) He IS a pathological liar (it made all the newspapers).

3) You trust him to do the things you want a mayor do, in spite of the fact he can't be trusted to keep his word (Moron = "a very stupid person"). Only a very stupid person would trust someone who habitually lies to suddenly begin keeping their word.

5) I don't support him because he can't be trusted (i.e, NOT a moron).

You've been proven wrong.

March 25, 2005 10:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And that's because...

Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar and can't be trusted. Someone prove me wrong.

End of story!

March 25, 2005 10:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Boy, you know, when you come right down to it - that's the bottom line. All the other hundreds of parsing postings become moot.

If you can't trust the guy to keep his word, why waste a single vote on him? He can't be any better than the current mayor. If he breaks the main promise of his administration, he can only be worse. It's the elder George Bush, and "read my lips" all over again.

March 25, 2005 10:48 AM  

Blogger Lev Bronstein said:

Antonio can't be trusted nor be expected to keep his word. Why in the hell is he exploring a 2006 Senate race against his old roommate Gil Cedillo while still running for mayor? All he cares about it holding public office and doesn't give a whit about who gets hurt in the process.

March 25, 2005 11:03 AM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

I'd like to suggest some people here check up on their use of illustrative language a bit, because one phrase keep getting used incorrectly in regards to people in CD14 who oppose ADV. It's not "sour grapes" in any way, shape, or form to want a candidate to keep his word, and to suggest he doesn't deserve to advance any further in political life if he can't.

Check out your old fairy tales and see what the "sour grapes" story is about. The one who couldn't reach the grapes - the "loser" says, "well, they were probably sour, anyway." (The parallel would be, say, Pacheco or his supporters saying. "Hey, it wasn't that great a job, anyway -- we'll go on to other, better things" - that would be "sour grapes").

In 2003, however, CD14 GOT the grapes (ADV for CM), won the "prize" if your will. Then they found out they really were sour... poor constituent service, inattention to district matters while the candidate worked for Kerry for president and began mounting his next mayoral campaign, ineffective staff selections, abandonment of dozens of projects that were all, or partically funded and just needed to be pushed through, stakeholders not able to gain access to the CM, and on and on).

CD14 people posting Anti-ADV here are simply trying to warn the city, the "we've been tasting the grapes for two years and they really are sour." They won't be any less sour hanging from your "vine" than they have been on ours, probably more sour, since the ineffectiveness exhibited in one district will now be multiplied by a factor of 15. They leave an increasingly bitter taste every day.

March 25, 2005 11:08 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Reposting here what Anonymous (12:21) said, but with some "minor" edits, so you can see why things can ONLY get worse...

"I (DO) think that (ADV) is dishonest, but that he (ALSO) has a problem with surrounding himself with people who have questionable ethics. Ultimately, (ADV) will have to account for the misdeeds of underlings and it will have to be more than the empty statement of, "I take full responsibility." (ADV) should just do (CD14) a favor by resigning as (COUNCILMEMBER) and dropping out of the (MAYORAL) election.

March 25, 2005 11:13 AM  

Blogger Athena said:

Lev Bronstein attacking someone for having situational ethics? That's amusing.

Isn't Lev the one who said, "There are no absolute rules of conduct in either war or peace. Everything depends on the circumstance."

March 25, 2005 11:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Its amazing how ignorant people can be. All anyone has to do is look at Antonio's record as a councilman. He doesn't have one. He never mentions anything in front of the media anymore. The rank and file of LAPD now are seeing him for what he is a LIAR. The fact that he's aligned himself with Waters and Parks who don't like Bratton will hurt him with the rest of the city. LAPD lost 1,000 officers and these 2 losers hate Bratton. Antonio is already showing his loyalties to the wrong people. Wake up people!!! Look at the issues: public safety, housing, education, traffic Antonio has done NOTHING in any of these areas. MEAT thinks because he opposed issues that's an accomplishment. The more I talk to people the more I'm hearing he lost their vote on his record alone and their not in CD14.

March 25, 2005 11:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thank you, Athena (Harriman) for the admission, on Villaraigosa's behalf, that he does indeed practice situational ethics. A second-hand admission is about as close to the truth of his personal demons as anyone here is going to get from the ADV-lovers. (Although I personally enjoyed overhearing one of his paid campaigners say a few years ago -- as ADV was putting on a pullover campaign sweatshirt -- that it would be a MIRACLE if he could "get that thing on over his big head.") Parke Skelton heard that comment, too... ask him!

By the way, wasn't "Athena" the goddess of "wisdom" -- pretty dumb to be supporting a candidate who's a pathological liar and can't be trusted to keep his word (thanks to his "situational ethics"). What does happens, all you ADV-lovers, when YOU, or your cause, or your community, are no longer the "situation" he loves or feels the need to be "ethical" about anymore? Why, then of course you'll be joining CD14 ADV-lovers and true belivers in a growing chorus singing the words of that torrid C&W classic made famous by Crystal Gayle.

"Why have you left the one you left me for?
Did she hear, like me, that slamming door?
Did you just get tired, or did you get bored?
Why have you left the one you left me for?"


March 25, 2005 12:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'll see your "30 forgeries" (if they even turn out to be that), with 30 months of consistent lies and broken promises to CD 14, by ADV... including months campaigning for city council and pretending to be the officeholder.

March 25, 2005 12:08 PM  

Anonymous meat said:


So Anon-N-the-Know wrote "CD14 people posting Anti-ADV here are simply trying to warn the city, the "we've been tasting the grapes for two years and they really are sour."

You wanna know when CD 14 had their chance to tell the city about their councilman -- March 8th. Every disgusted voter who foams when they think of Antonio had the chance to let their opinion known. And when the number crunchers were analyzing the data you know what they found -- they found that even in a lower turnout race Antonio got a higher raw vote and a higher percentage than we he was on the ballot for City Council.

So what does this mean MEAT?

here's an example for you dum-dums.

in 2001 let's say there were 100 voters, and for the purposes of this example let's say that Antonio got 58 votes.

In the mayor's race let's say there were only 99 voters this time, in this race Antonio got 61 votes.

Higher percentage, higher raw number.

You guys can claim that voters that did not vote count, but then you sound more like the Gore recount team in Florida than anything else.

blog away

March 25, 2005 12:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well Hahn just got an interesting and unexpected boost from the Jewish community - Jack Weiss. After yesterday's lovefest over the airport security study I think the games are on as to who can suck up to Bratton more...Jack for his City/District Attonrey race or Hahn for term 2 ??? Get out the chap stick - they're gonna need it.

March 25, 2005 12:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn is supporting Neighborhood Councils; ADV disses his, uses their money when he has his own, ignores their meetings, and pits them against each other for favors with the carrot/stick approach.

The following just announced will make citizens groups in L.A. the strongest of any major city in the country. This is NOT a campaign ploy, Hahn has consistently supported NCs and protected their funding againt budget cuts, he is continuing down the same path now that most of the city (just in recent months) has finished organizing into NCs and has held elections.

Under ADV as the mayor, you might as well disband citizen-elected advisory panels, and just hope your "side" in any issue is on record as having given enough to his campaign funds in the past, present, or future. This is another reason why most NC presidents in Council District 14 are NOT supporting their own councilmember for Mayor.

March 24, 2005

Dear Neighborhood Council Supporter,

Four years ago, there were no Neighborhood Councils. Today there are 85, and they're transforming the way government works in Los Angeles. Power in Los Angeles is moving from City Hall to where it belongs - in our neighborhoods.

I gave Neighborhood Councils a real voice in the city budget for the first time last year, and they, loudly and clearly, told me what they wanted. This year, we prioritized putting more cops on the street, increasing paramedic services and doubling the miles of street improvements. Neighborhood Councils have proven to be a powerful and needed voice in guiding the overall vision for Los Angeles. And Neighborhood Councils have used their $50,000 budgets to directly impact their neighborhoods by buying school books, playground equipment, and radar guns for traffic officers.

The experiment is working. Now, I want to take Neighborhood Councils to the next level by incorporating them in the day-to-day operations of our city to improve our quality of life through:

* Neighborhood Council Representation on Every City Commission

* Neighborhood Council Involvement in Every General Manager Selection

* Neighborhood Council Performance Review of Every City Department

* Neighborhood Council Involvement in Every City Budget

* Neighborhood Council Representation in Every Teamwork LA Neighborhood Service meeting

* Neighborhood Council Participation in the Eyes on the Neighborhood Program

* Neighborhood Watch Training for Every Neighborhood Council

* Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) Training for Every Neighborhood Council

I think this plan will make a real difference in increasing the role of Neighborhood Councils in city government, which will make a real difference in our city. I look forward to hearing from you on my plan, and I thank you for taking part in transforming Los Angeles' city government.

Very truly yours,

James Hahn

March 25, 2005 12:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is forging someone's signature illegal?

March 25, 2005 12:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

here's (MEATs) "example"

"in 2001 let's say there were 100 voters, and for the purposes of this example let's say that Antonio got 58 votes.

In the mayor's race let's say there were only 99 voters this time, in this race Antonio got 61 votes."

Absolutley the WORST example of MEAT math yet (including the "81 percent approval rating" in CD14 that never ever "surfaced").

Bears no resemblence to the actual differences between turnout in the two primaries, makes no allowance for changing population in four years, changing voter registration, or the different candidates available for people in CD14 to vote for between the two races.

Back to junior math class... this is the worst one yet. F (minus).

Don't try to use math to support your delusions, little boy, you have no credibility, and your "sources" are grabbing at straws.

March 25, 2005 1:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is doing campaign work on CD14 council district time illegal?

Is using resources from past campaigns and district funded-functions illegal?

Is providing city services to campaign supporters before and above other more needy residents illegal?

Is changing the name of community supported city park project to something else -- something that only a campaign fundraiser from another community wants -- in exchange for campaign contributions illegal?

March 25, 2005 1:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You're wrong, as always, MEAT. CD14 will have two MORE chances to show people how "sour" ADV is... May 17, and recall petitions.

(And the last time the people of L.A. had a chance to choose him over another candidate in a one-on-one, he lost... 2001).

We'll engrave that memorable date on your tombstone when you dive off that tall building on May 18... another "love" lost.

March 25, 2005 1:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You REALLY can't compare district results in a primary this year with one four years ago and make parallels. Only 2 of the 5, 8, or 12 candidates on the ballot (depending on how much of a factor any of them were to any sub-group's voting or non-voting). If even one candidate on the ballot had been different from year to year, that throws any kind of accurate comparisons off. But 6-8 different significant candidates is just plain silly. Someone's really grabbing at straws.

March 25, 2005 1:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

On the other hand, if you buy MEAT's faulty premise for just a moment, that means that Hahn's popularity in CD14 is up, too. His share of the CD14 primary vote grew by an even larger percentage than Villaraigosa's did -- from '02 to '05.

March 25, 2005 1:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Really, if someone local, like a Becerra had run in the primary this time, he would have pulled a whole lot more votes away from ADV than he did last time, especially given the big broken campaign promise.

March 25, 2005 1:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here's a better example, MEAT. Two trains leave for Chicago an hour apart, one carrying 99 more passengers than the other.

What color hats are the engineers wearing? (You have 5 minutes to complete the answer).


March 25, 2005 1:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When Antonio becomes Mayor and Huizar takes his place, CD 14 will be in the best of shapes since Huizar will have a full 10 years to be on the council (two years to complete a <50% term and then be elegible to run for the full term 2x). Having the former Councilmemebr as Mayor will ensure that CD 14 is on top and not the bottom of the list.

March 25, 2005 1:38 PM  

Blogger Halogirlfromcity said:

What a perfect way to deflect negativity. Good job Hahnistas! Isn't it great you can use your job to enhance someones reputation?
Question? Did Mayor Hahn establish NC's or was it part of the new charter?

March 25, 2005 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To all the Recall haters: after May 17th all your work will be moot - so what's the point? So jerks like Richard Acosta and his lover Manny can have a stage to pontificate from? Richard - you're not fooling anyone! Even Hahn, as clueless as he is knows that you and your lover have been trying to play all sides against each other. Your "appearance" at the LACDP was nothing more than a joke and only further pissed off the Hertzberg supporters who falsely thought you had a backbone and made them vote for AV. You can't endorse everyone. Be a man, pick a horse, and run with it.

March 25, 2005 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Becerrera, please! I thought you wanted someone credible. Talk about carpetbaggers and liars.

If you wanted a credible Latino candidate I would have picked Padilla or Delgadillo even one-bill Gil.

March 25, 2005 1:46 PM  

Anonymous Imagine said:

Here's a prediction:

Antonio becomes mayor. Pacheco supported by his ADV group run for city council. Huizar gets Mayor Villaraigosa's endorsement and fundraising aid and kicks Pacheco's butt yet again.

End of Story.

March 25, 2005 1:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Amen Imagine

March 25, 2005 1:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Question? Did Mayor Hahn establish NC's or was it part of the new charter?

Answer: Hahn implemented and supported NCs. No other mayor saw a single NC come into existence. Words on paper that never become reality are the trademark of ADV. Hahn had made these things happen, just like 311. Villaraigosa makes promises, then breaks them, day in, day out.

All ADV's "vision" won't buy you a cup of coffee at the end of the day, surrounded by the type of incompetent lackies he brought into CD14 and whom he will "promote" into the mayor's office.

Villaraigosa will bankrupt L.A., shortly before he abandons it for another "gig."

March 25, 2005 2:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And that's because...

Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar and can't be trusted. Someone prove me wrong.

End of story!

March 25, 2005 2:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Los Angeles take notice. Antonio is starting his Latino movement. Its his strategy to get the Mexicans in control of the city. Fabian Nunez, Jose Huizar, Alarcon have all been promised something from Antonio. Then you have Gameboy Padilla as pres (for now) that whimp doesn't have the balls to come out yet on who's side he's on. Rocky as DA but he seems to be the only one with brains of the bunch. Your houses will be painted purple, clothes hanging all over the neighborhood, illegal vendors, drinking alcohol in public, loud parties with even louder music. Better get ready for this city to go down the tubes.

March 25, 2005 2:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some insipid Anon from another district had the nerve to say this: "Having the former Councilmemebr as Mayor will ensure that CD 14 is on top and not the bottom of the list."

WHY? WHY? Having him as the CURRENT councilmember has been useless? So, your "logic" says -- if he leaves the job where he's SUPPOSED to take care of CD14 and takes on one where he has 15 TIMES AS MANY constituents to take care of he'll THEN take better care of CD14. HELL, let's elect him president then -- the further away he gets, the better off CD14 is gonna be? Is that your brand of insanity????

DAMN, HAHN has done more for CD14 in the past two years than ADV, and HE'S from San Pedro, for Gawd's sake. Maybe we just need to make sure we elect councilmembers not from the district (well, ADV was a carpetbagger, but not by much).

Are you as stupid as you sound, or do you think we are. If I hear this "it'll be good to have the local boy as mayor" chicken shit one more time, I'm gonna hurl. He's done LESS than nothing for two years sitting IN the district (sometimes), so he'll do MORE when's he's gone????

LISTEN UP Districts 1-13, and 15. We have it on the best authority from that previous, anonymous poster that once ADV is MAYOR (NOT GONNA HAPPEN!), he's going to give preferential treatment to 14, for A CHANGE! Better not let that happen, or YOU'LL have to wait until he's governor to get his attention for YOUR district.

Proves that these anonymous ADV-lover really ARE his field staff. They know that if ANYone else but them were sitting in those field offices, CD14 would be getting WAY better treatment. "Please let ADV take me to then mayor's office, I'm WAY to stupid to get anything done in CD14"). Thanks for the confirmation of what's obvious.

March 25, 2005 2:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sounds like the Hahn folks are starting the race-baiting a bit earlier than scheduled (see 2:30PM above).

March 25, 2005 2:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sad time for the city. While Hanh could and should and probably will get better when relected. The city of LA under antonio as mayor would be like going back to the 70's.We would really become a city with two standards. The poor parts of the city with no order, and anti-police support. The valley and the westside getting all of his time and politcal attention.At first they would like it, but soon would see the danger of the politics of tale of two cities. It is frighting to think of antonio as mayor.He would have two sets of rules for the city.A vote for Hanh is our only hope.

March 25, 2005 3:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The ADV-lovers have been moron-baiting since day #1 (and getting lots of "bites"). Only a moron would believe a liar will stop lying NEXT time.

March 25, 2005 3:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why? Because Antonio Villaraigosa is a pathological liar and can't be trusted. Someone prove me wrong.

End of story!

March 25, 2005 3:54 PM  

Blogger Lev Bronstein said:

Athena, you know your history or pseuodonyms anyway. I'll have to take a minute or two to sift through all the things I've written/said and respond with something prophetic.

March 25, 2005 5:07 PM  

Blogger Lev Bronstein said:

Athena, you know your history or pseuodonyms anyway. I'll have to take a minute or two to sift through all the things I've said and respond with something prophetic.

March 25, 2005 5:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Considering only 26% of the electorate voted on March 8, its definitely noted that this pathetic blog is only a primal scream location for Villaraigosa haters. Its nice to know that they can get their frustration out in an open environ filled with the other handful of folks that hate like them.

Keep it up folks. I'm a professional psychiatrist in the northeast and I hope I will see you soon. There is some definite need for anger therapy and self actualization. Remember, its difficult to become the best person you can be when all you do is project your insecurities and self-loathing onto someone else. Especially when that figure is a public figure who is easy to blast in a faceless forum as opposed to working your anger out in person.

March 25, 2005 10:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You are right ,the only cure is a vote for Hahn.

March 25, 2005 10:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, Imagine? Is it the same people who asked Villaraigosa to run for mayor now asking Huizar to run in CD14? You bet it is. Antonio decided to run for mayor on his own and he is the force pushing Huizar to run. I thought Huizar would have apromising career. But he's going to be known as Antonio's bitch for the rest of his political life.

March 26, 2005 7:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jose Huizar has disappointed many in CD14. His endorsement of Antonio is going to haunt him. We now hear other stronger candidates will be running against him that is after Antonio is recalled. Big mistake Jose. You've aligned yourself with a man who has no character or integrity, a womanizer who has no morals, a crook, a man who's promised all his endorsers he'll help them and Jose will be left in the dusk.

March 27, 2005 8:48 AM  

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