Hillary Tries to Game the System
Hillary Clinton repeated Thursday that delegates from Florida and Michigan be seated at the Democratic Party's national convention this summer, and appeared to suggest she is open to the possibility of holding do-over contests in both states.
Of course, the Clintons argued that Florida and Michigan should not be allowed to seat their delegates as the states had decided to hold primaries earlier than the national party. The states went ahead, the other Democratic candidates including Barack Obama played by the rules and skipped those primaries but Shrillary campaigned there anway.
Now that she's down and needs those delegates, Mrs. Bill Clinton wants to change the rules. Someone needs to tell her you can't have it both ways.
Then again what we've heard about Mrs. Clinton she indeed does have it both ways.
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Of course, the Clintons argued that Florida and Michigan should not be allowed to seat their delegates as the states had decided to hold primaries earlier than the national party. The states went ahead, the other Democratic candidates including Barack Obama played by the rules and skipped those primaries but Shrillary campaigned there anway.
Now that she's down and needs those delegates, Mrs. Bill Clinton wants to change the rules. Someone needs to tell her you can't have it both ways.
Then again what we've heard about Mrs. Clinton she indeed does have it both ways.
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Posted by Mayor Sam @ 3/06/2008 04:02:00 PM
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More than 13 weeks remain before the last contest — the June 7 contest for Puerto Rico, and Hillary already dispatched Bill today to Wyoming - which holds Democratic caucuses on Saturday - and on Friday to Mississippi, which holds presidential primaries next Tuesday. Kentucky and West Virginia could ultimately be in play and Hillary could win the final contest on June 7 in Puerto Rico, where 63 delegates will be at stake. Yesterday the Clinton campaign released a memo stressing confidently that it would have enough money to compete against Mr. Obama this spring and summer, after nearly going broke in early February - at a time when Obama was raising $1 million or more a day. But since the Feb. 5 national primary, Mrs. Clinton has also been raising money at a clip of $1 million a day, online. A strong showing in Pennsylvania, with its 188 delegates at stake, could set up a powerful one-two punch two weeks later in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which have a combined 218 delegates. Hillary believes she has an especially good chance at winning Indiana, where the state's influential Democratic senator, Evan Bayh, a former two-term governor, was one of Mrs. Clinton's earliest supporters.
This is the first time ever that my friends and I are donating money to campaigns. After Obama started that money-raising online, we figured we had better do the same.
I think Hillary's draconian and vitriol tactics directed toward Barack Obama has provided Hillary victories in key states.
Tony, that's a very nuanced analysis of Hillary's future tactics.
No rules in the pursuit of her "Alimony Payout" from Bill
Hillary and Bill have not used any "vitriol," and the fact that they can be accused of it, with their record in the south back "in the day," shows how the race card is used against ANYONE.
The press has pandered to Obama and turned him into the "rock star" he is, like they did with Antonio, but then they turned on Antonio with a vengeance when he wasn't perfect.
Obama hasn't been challenged at all even though he kept his relationship with his reverse racist pastor/Farrakhan's endorsement, until he was called on it on national tv. And he sure got very close to Rezko -- taking money for a campaign is one thing, letting him buy your house another.
Sat night Live was right that O's gotten the soft pillow treatment, and Hill the "Shrill ballbuster" hand. Maybe a time will come when there's real color-blindness, when black guys can be treated like anyone else. Time to see if Obama can hold up under those circumstances.
Now that Hillary has had her big night Tuesday, winning Ohio and Texas (and cutting only about 8 delegates off Obama's lead), the Democratic Party is heading for a possible disaster.
First of all, Hillary's campaign is pushing for the Florida and Michigan delegates to be seated. That, of course, would represent a changing of the rules in the middle of the game. Is a compromise in the works? That may come in the form of a do-over, letting the primary be repeated, the reasoning here being that Obama did not really compete in those primaries. Also not yet decided is who would pay for the repeat primaries? No one seems to be stepping up on that front.
Then there is the matter of the Superdelegates, who have the option of voting however they wish in Denver regardless of which candidate has won the most primary delegates. How does Hillary justify that action? Easy (according to her). The New York Senator argues that the momentum is now going her way and she has won most of the big states, like New York, California and Texas. Thus, the superdelegates should vote for her even if Obama goes into the convention with the lead.
Like Rush Limbaugh, many conservatives (including me) are enjoying the sight of the Democrats rushing head-long toward the yawning crevice. As things appear now, Obama will, in fact, enter the convention with a delegate lead. If Hillary somehow succeeds in recapturing those delegates from Michigan and Florida, that will not sit well with Obama supporters. To use a football analogy, let's say that one team had two touchdowns negated by penalties in the first quarter. Then in the fourth quarter, with that team down by 10 points, the refs decided to reverse those penalties and give those touchdowns back. Would that be fair? Hardly. If the Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan have their votes negated, they should direct their anger at their state political leaders who broke the party rules and caused the problem. Even with Florida and Michigan reinstated, Obama will still probably enjoy a delegate lead.
That leaves the Superdelegates, elected Congresspeople, senators and party hacks. Will they really adjourn to a smoke-filled room and overrule the voice of the Democratic voters who voted for Obama-especially the African-American voters? For Hillary to get the nomination in such a fashion will leave one-half of the Democratic voters furious and disillusioned. Will they just get over it and turn out for Hillary in the general election? I don't think so.
And most importantly, what will be the reaction of the African-American voters who voted for Obama? For decades, they have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats, believing that only the Democrats would represent their interests. Will they conclude that they have been residing on the Democratic "plantation", as many observers, black and white maintain? Will they decide that black interests would be better served by making all parties compete for their votes-and giving real consideration to other parties?
Nevertheless, the Democrats appear unable to avoid the disaster on the horizon. From listening to Clinton and her supporters, it appears that the Clintons will do what they have always done; they will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end. That means if they have to twist arms, make deals and blackmail Superdelegates in Denver, then that is exactly what they will do. For the Clintons, it is not about the party; it is about them.
gary fouse
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Of course "it's about them," the Clintons that is. Who in their right minds would have gone this far, raised and spent (and misspent) so much money, been so bloodied in the media, Bill Clinton risking his entire legacy with his shilling for Hillary -- if they weren't going to go all the way.
No one ever drops out unless they're so far behind they have no choice; Huck didn't have a chance after McCain got all the delegates. Even Romney hung in there until his own money ran out...
Obama has more ambition in him than all of them running together, and nerve -- to be so filled with himself, consciously taking on the mantle of JFK and MLK after 2 years on the national stage, with no national experience. Or good track record on the committee he's on. It's all been about HIS visibility.
For one thing, the Clinton's have plenty of black supporters. They always have and always will. You can't undo a lifetime of work in one campaign because some "inspiring" (supposedly) young black guy comes along and rallies up the college kids.
Plus all of the Republicans who changed to Independent so that they could vote for Obama because they KNOW they can beat him and they can't beat Hillary. I'm sick of the stupid "liberal" Dems who believe the right wing media that Hillary is so hated that they can beat her. Bullshit. They can't beat any Dem right now, but especially not her. We know everything there is to know about her. We know nothing about him.
You should go look up WHY we have superdelegates. Whether you like it or not, it is NOT to do the "will of the people". I have no idea where that cockeyed crap came from. They are there to choose the candidate that can beat the Republican.
That person is Hillary whether any of you like it or not.
So for all you Republican Hillary-haters, I'd like to hear one good reason. And I'd like them to be good reasons, not personal ones like she's too bossy, smug, overbearing, teary, not teary, etc.
Just one good policy reason.
And do NOT use NAFTA because if you go back and check you'll know that NAFTA was one of the first fights her and Bill ever had because he was ready to sign and she thought it needed tweaked so please name a policy-related reason why you hate her so much.
The dead bodies that the Clintons have left in their wake ought to convince anyone not to mess with them.
They will fight you to your car, then follow you home and set it on fire, kidnap your kids, kill your dog, rape your cat, anything it takes to get elected and have power.
As a Republican, I love that many Democrats are finally finding out just why we all hate the Clintons so much; they have no bottom.
Their marriage is a sham; it is a pact of evil convenience.
They are trailer park trash and all the money and power in the world will not change the fact that they are nothing more than white trash.
That last comment is exactly what right-wing Republicans say about the Clintons, and so they've been supporting Obama, knowing that with his extreme left views, they can tear him down more easily.
His pandering to illegals with driving licenses and promising to fast-track their legal status (true, he's pushed Hillary on that, to say she's now going to do it within her first 100 days, not just Obama's first year), weakness on foreign affairs and diplomacy, and empty talk etc. etc. will be easy for the right wing to go after.
The Dems tearing down the Clintons have worked to their advantage.
I support the extreme leftist position of taxing you for every reference you make to "illegals" on this blog. Mayor Sam should implement that as soon as possible.
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