Border Insecurity
The New York Times ran an interesting editorial yesterday (by the same title). Below are a couple of excerpts and some questions.
"From San Diego on the Pacific to Brownsville on the Rio Grande, a steel curtain is descending across the continent. Behind it lies a nation so confused and conflicted by its immigration problems that it has decided to wall itself off and wait for things to fix themselves. This country once was a confident global magnet for an invigorating flow of immigrant workers and citizens-to-be. Now it is just hunkering. ...
"Let’s agree that any country needs to control its borders and ports, and that this one has done too little on that front. But that worthy goal founders when the overall strategy boils down to simplistic components — bits of fencing and technological cure-alls — rather than a comprehensive solution that also attacks the reasons people cross illegally. Despite what critics of “amnesty” say, immigration reform has never been a choice between legalization and enforcement, because legalization is enforcement. Only by bringing people onto the books and being realistic about the supply of visas, letting people in through ports of entry, instead of chasing them across the desert, will the country restore sanity and order to this broken system."
Full Editorial
Questions: (1) Will the immigration issue be a factor in the 2008 election? (2) Will there be any push for "comprehensive" immigration reform no matter who is elected the 44th president? (3) Does supporting "enforcement first" of any immigration reform package help or hurt candidates?
"From San Diego on the Pacific to Brownsville on the Rio Grande, a steel curtain is descending across the continent. Behind it lies a nation so confused and conflicted by its immigration problems that it has decided to wall itself off and wait for things to fix themselves. This country once was a confident global magnet for an invigorating flow of immigrant workers and citizens-to-be. Now it is just hunkering. ...
"Let’s agree that any country needs to control its borders and ports, and that this one has done too little on that front. But that worthy goal founders when the overall strategy boils down to simplistic components — bits of fencing and technological cure-alls — rather than a comprehensive solution that also attacks the reasons people cross illegally. Despite what critics of “amnesty” say, immigration reform has never been a choice between legalization and enforcement, because legalization is enforcement. Only by bringing people onto the books and being realistic about the supply of visas, letting people in through ports of entry, instead of chasing them across the desert, will the country restore sanity and order to this broken system."
Full Editorial
Questions: (1) Will the immigration issue be a factor in the 2008 election? (2) Will there be any push for "comprehensive" immigration reform no matter who is elected the 44th president? (3) Does supporting "enforcement first" of any immigration reform package help or hurt candidates?
Labels: border fence, illegal immigration
Posted by Edward Headington @ 3/05/2008 03:41:00 PM
36 Comments:
Hello! I just thought I'd extend an invitation to a network of Los Angeles bloggers.. It's a great way to get more readers and find new and interesting blogs: http://labloggers.ning.com/?xgi=5mcqS7g
We need more illegal aliens in Los Angeles. Los Angeles is a great city because of all the illegal aliens, especially those folks from Mexico. I can eat some great Mexican food at Olvera Plaza, or I can eat some yummy, bacon wrapped hot dogs on Broadway street, in downtown L.A. I especially love the shining catering trucks selling delicious tacos for $1.00 at all hours, the tacos melt in your mouth.
The street vendors around the Westlake Disrict across the street from FoodForLess, have some great "duty free" merchandise. I shop for all the kid's school clothes there. I ocasionally even buy some "duty-free" smoking herbs for my glucoma.
The mexican urban artists who spray paint their beautiful artwork on signs, walls, streets, apartment building and even delivery trucks give us the joy of seeing so many master-pieces for free. I often take pictures of the artwork to enjoy and share with family and friends. The artwork is such an inspiration for other young up and coming latino artists. We should have free spray paint can, give ways for our aspiring latino artists.
I love all of this latino culture, I embrace it and marvel at all is glory.
Ed I hope you will join this Sunday for some menudo at my favorite place in the Valley.
Ed I think that some right wingers and Conservative talk show hosts (Lou Dobbs, Mark Savage, Rush Limbaugh ect) will be very vocal in this area, but I see more than a couple of reasons why it will not amount to much, and the candidates, Democrat and Republican will likely avoid the issue like the plague.
First of all the old saying "It's the economy stupid" is as valid today as when the term was coined.
And both candidates will have to go to the post on the bad economy and come up with a "new deal", which will be a campaign platform priority.
Secondly with the new power that Latinos have and are using with the vote I don't think either candidate will want to piss this voting block off by making a statement that could be misinterpreted as being nativist or ethnocentric. The candidates of both parties will when asked about immigration, have a nice response which will be mostly hand wringing and a call for comprehensive immigration reform.
The nativist anti immigrant spokesmen with all they're odious and shrill draconian solutions to the immigrant problems have gone far beyond any rational discourse and have tainted the immigrant issues with hate, racism, ugly generalization's, and a zero sum solution of "deport them all and the anchor babies too", this has pissed off many in the Hispanic community, and numerous onetime Republican Latinos have switched allegiance to the Democrats who by and large display calmer voices of reason and rationality.
When the real campaign for the Presidency begins neither candidate will want to be baited by radical anti immigrant groups into committing a faux pas that could cost them votes from an already irritated Latino community.
They will stick to the economy, the war in Iraq, Health Care,and rising energy costs.
Also I think the issue of replacing elderly Supreme Court Justices during the next couple of years, which could swing the High Court one way or the other will be an issue that will be high on the priority list.
I wonder if the blacks in Southern California who are being shot and killed my mexican gang members, think we should "import" more future gang members from mexico.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8457542
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8448415
http://cbs2.com/local/Universal.City.International.2.667987.html
I wonder if the law enforcement officials at today's international gang summit think we need more illegal alien gang member in the U.S.
It's pretty interesting that Ed and Don Quackery never mention any of the daily murders committed by mexican gang members a great majority of which are illegal aliens. Or address the fact that 25% of Calif. jail inmates are illegal aliens. These two clowns should read the LAPD website, and see how many illegal aliens are on the LAPD's most wanted list.
I guess these two pandering clowns also believe LAUSD has some of the best schools in America, because of illegal aliens. These two pandering clowns must think we are as blind and stupid as they are, and can't see the realities of illegal immigration here in Los Angeles.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck ............
There's certainly a lot of passion on both sides--and in between--on this issue but I get the sense that it won't be a defining issue for the November election. From everyone I've talked to or read, it also seems that it won't be on the agenda for 2009 either.
I agree that Iraq, healthcare and other issues will stay on the frontburner.
That said, depending on who gets the Democratic nomination, there may be "compare and contrasts" to be made between McCain and Obama. As you may know, the latter supports licenses for undocumented immigrants.
As for the menudo offer, I have to admit that I'm vegetarian. And my favorite place in the Valley is Senor Fred on Ventura. Can you beat that Anon? '-)
4:24 - Here is an example of the latino spray paint artwork by some East Side Torrance artists. Notice how the police also admire the latino artwork.
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-03/36411833.jpg
Here is another sucess stories about some of the fine hard working mexican immigrants. This mexican immigrant sucess story is found all over Los Angeles.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-boy6mar06,0,1901590.story
Si Se Pueda !!!!
It’s a Taco truck bonanza after dark here in my neighborhood in Los Angeles and most of the signs and billboards always have the word Taco somewhere I am lucky I just
Cant get enough Tacos
What you don't know about gangs and politics could fill volumes, obsessed racist at 5:26. When was the last time you were invited to a dinner party where the formal attire wasn't a white sheet? If you didn't have this blog you probably wouldn't have anyone to talk to at all.
Cholo apologist writes ....
"What you don't know about gangs and politics could fill volumes, obsessed racist at 5:26. When was the last time you were invited to a dinner party where the formal attire wasn't a white sheet? If you didn't have this blog you probably wouldn't have anyone to talk to at all."
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Why don't you educate us about L.A. gangs. Are you going to tell us that there are no international gangs and no illegal alien gang members.
Maybe the LAPD attended this international gang conference to discuss Taco catering.
http://cbs2.com/local/Universal.City.International.2.667987
Tell us what information posted by the "racist" at 5:26 is not true.
http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/speech/5557/
I wonder why Los Angeles is know as the "Gang Capital of the World" and who, the majority of the members are.
I do own some soft 600 count white sheets, but I sleep on my white sheets, I don't wear them to parties.
You know, I think all those stupid pseudo-mayan Mexican murals are only one step above the taggers' graffiti-- plus, it's always lacking in perspective. That idiot who thinks we need more illegals here in L.A. is obviously just another annoying masochistic liberal. "The shining catering trucks" "yummy bacon-wrapped hot dogs..." What a weak, passive surrendering fool!! And he takes pictures of all the srtupid graffiti to share w/ family and friends?? You can bet those numbers are dwindling as I type. I hope he gets ptomaine from those disgusting hotdogs and I hope he gets mugged in the parking lot next to Olvera St. Excuse me-- gotta get those white sheets (600 thread count) outa the dryer! HA!
I'm with Don Q.
Illegal aliens from Mexico built L.A. Without them we'd all be living in mud huts now. The draconian nativists like Lou Dobbs want us to go back to our pre-illegal-alien days in which we didn't have things like medicine, stable government, functional infrastructure, and a safe food supply.
The New York Times is so full of shit.
What the mainstream media fails to report is that there are thousands of Latinos born and raised in this country that want the illegals deported. Many of our fathers are veterans and proud of this country. They speak English and believe in this country. However, because of the cholo Mayor and the other TJ councilmen who haven't done anything for their Latino districts, support and pander to the illegals this is becoming a sanctuary. Which Latino councilman have fought for this country? NONE
PHOENIX (AP) - A new study concludes that law enforcement and criminal prosecutions linked to illegal immigration is costing Arizona border counties millions of dollars a year. The study says the battle over illegal immigration is also diverting money from parks, libraries and other law-enforcement efforts.
Does anyone sense Don Quixote aka Santiago aka Pedro close by? I haven't seen much "vitriol", but I've caught sight of a few "xenophobics". I'm sure he's injected his 2cents. Shame he won't claim his coveted name. Seems whenever he had some prophetic piece to bless the other blogs with he'd not hesitate to blast, but here he displays reluctance. Why is that? They never know thier place these racists. Either thier here or thier. Thier oblivious to thier and hear little. This guy just doesn't raise any real interest. His lines are archived. His antics are somewhat mundane. Know it alls have short halflives..
I wonder if the draconian mexican gang members who are such xenophobes and have such vitriol towards blacks are reponsible for any of this? What do you think?
Jump in homicides a vexing challenge for LAPD brass
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-homicides6mar06,0,7827611.story
Homicides in Los Angeles have sharply increased in the first two months of this year, reversing nearly five years of decline and posing a puzzling challenge for Police Chief William J. Bratton.
See if you notice a common thread in many of these homicides.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2008/03/youth-killed-in.html#comments
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/
Desperate old nutcase hits panic button by her bed again
Nutcase;
Buth illegal and legal U.S. citzens commit gang murders. How does a cut and paste from Phoenix illustrate your point that Latino councilmen haven't fought for our country? There were 1.1 million Hispanic veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces, as of 2005.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=572
Over 10 percent of those serving in the armed forces are of Hispanic origin.
Persons of Hispanic origin accounted for 10.2 percent
(138,556) of the total 1,363,147 men and women serving in the armed forces as of May 2006. Hispanics made up 13.5 percent (24,075) of the 178,190 persons serving in the US Marines; 12.5 percent (13,703) of the 349,301 men and women in the navy; 10.6 percent (51,673) of the 487,898 individuals in the army; and 5.5 percent (19,105) of the 347,758 air force personnel.
Your Obsession says,
6:59 mr. b hat? you mean "ms barf in the hat" aka gava joe aka anonymouse aka homer aka jethro aka mr and mrs multiple personalities, aka vitriolic xenophobe with donquixotephobia,aka ms humorless joke bomber, ect ect ad nauseum?
calling for DQ to post up something for you!
Get on back to your blog "barf in the hat" with your one other "partner in hate and vitriol" and while your at it go back in the closet and dust off your picture of "Dorian Gray".
heehehehhe!
please do not forget
******white is right, white as rice, snow white, anonymouse, anony-mouse, wally, hiroshi, salvador from el salvador, gravel gertie from dogpatch, shar-pei face, zuma's mama, and
******[drum roll]
sven the sweed
That's "ms gava joe" to you 9:44a.
Why do some people show such xenophobic vitriol?
I wish I knew who thier parents, are to teach such xenophobic vitriol.
I hate white sheet wearing xenophobic racists, especially the mexicans who use the word mayate, why such vitriol!!!
Do yourself a favor ms b hat @
11:03. Next time you run your mouth also run your spellchecker for their
The point is if any of the Latino councilman in LA had fought in any war they would be proud AMERICANS and still proud of their heritage. Notice the Latino councilmen are illegal supporters like Reyes, Huizar, Alarcon. Look at their districts the trash, illegal vendors, cars getting fixed on streets. Don't you think if they really cared about their communities they would do something about it or tell the damn illegals to stop living like PIGS?? Take a ride into downtown LA and see the filth caused by these pigs
How about running a spell checker on the comment at 9:44am by, guess who.
"ect ect ad nauseum"
(Etc) not ect
(Ad nauseam) not ad nauseum
Anonymous said...
"What you don't know about gangs and politics could fill volumes, obsessed racist at 5:26."
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Let's listen to what a gang expert, Sgt. Valdemar, with 30+ years experience has to say about illegal aliens and gangs.
What did you say Sgt. Valdemar
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/479-480.php
The gang expert sure tells a pretty scary story about mexican drug cartels, gangs, corruption and illegal aliens.
I thought this was a blog about LOS ANGELES.
Not what bunch of clueless New Yorkers think about LA. I doubt they could find LA on a map, let alone pretend to know what things are like here.
I can't wait until your safe little bubbles have been popped. I used to live in a safe 'bubble' neighborhood - not any more! Time to wake up and smell the Reconquista!
Does he do it like you? When the topic is tater tots, 1:20?
Nutcase sets off panic button by her bed again
I used to live in a safe 'bubble' neighborhood - not any more!
Nutcase;
Um,hm. We all come unglued at the sight of those illegal Beverly Hills cholos, too.
1:53 why do you think many people moved from Los Angeles to Santa Clarita and other outlying areas?
For the extra commute time?
To increase southbound morning traffic on the 5 fwy?
Because of all the natural forests in Santa Clarita?
Or could it be that many parts of Los Angeles are being turned into to ghettos by illegal aliens.
Just because someone complains about the realitys of illegal immigration, that does not mean they are nutcases or racists.
Comprendes?
don quixote why don't you tell these people your true feelings towards blacks you did not have a problem at other sites discussing how you felt about them.
The primary reason many people move to Santa Clarita is that the median price of a single-family home is half that of Los Angeles.
If you get a chance, check out Dana Wilkie's piece on “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.” Once again, the Feds want to cut funding and leave California and other states with the immigration bill. This is one area where even "America's Toughest Sheriff" and Senator Boxer agree.
There's also an interesting piece on the California GOP and its own immigration hiccups of late.
Ed most Mayor Sam's readers already know we waste/spend billions for illegal alien criminals.
How much do you think we spend for schools, to educate illegal aliens?
How much do we spend for health care for illegal aliens?
How many illegal aliens have crossed the border to have their baby here in the U.S., and recive free medical care while pregnant and then welfare for the anchor baby after birth.
How many American citizens are unemployed because of illegal aliens? The illegal aliens are not just working picking lettuce and cleaning your toilets as Mayor V. once stated.
Ed, the only one with his head in the sand, and denying the cost of illegal immigrants is you.
Any idiot knows that if you have millions of poor and uneducated illegals sneaking into our country is is going to cost us billions.
who gives a shit about immigration reform -- we have somewhere between 12 and 30 million illegals. . .but the real numbers are the millions more of "legal" resident status given to the children of these criminals by virtue of them being born here. There are only one or two other countries in the world stupid enough to think that you can reform this mess without resinding this priviledge of automatic citizenship. All the candidates are cowards when it comes to this.
9:49 are you one of those white sheet wearing, xenophobic racists, who makes vile and vitriol comments about the hard working Mexicans, who single- handedly built all of Los Angeles. You and you ilk show nothing but draconian ideals about the Mexicans who make Los Angeles the safe and beautiful city it is today.
You immigrant haters are pathetic. Truly pathetic. White trash is my guess. Who else could harbor such hatred?
Stealing jobs from us whites?? That is hysterical. Oh..oh pick me to be the person to install your tile! Sure. Wait, I think my friends were looking to start a housecleaning business. Oh, I know. When I grow up, I want to pick fruit for a living. Yep, that's it.
And I hate the right-wing media bullfuckingshit about Mexicans crossing the borders just to "drop their babies here". If you believe that then you are way more stupid and racist than I even imagined.
To: every Racist Mexican who thinks
his race trumps the Rule of Law
in the USA!
1. Calling U.S. Citizens who want
the Illegal Invasion from Mexico stopped,racist,xenophobe,nativist
and other ignorant slurs only
reveals the true racism and that
itself harms the Legal Hispanics
who did it the right way.
2.The whole world now knows that
Los Angeles since the 1986 amnesty has become the U.S.Capitol
and source of Illegal Aliens and
Gangs infecting the USA!
3. The empty taunt of "Racism"
has lost its effectiveness and
when used by Illegal Alien
advocates flies in the face
of the Law and the Facts on
the ground and EVERYONE
knows it!
4. The Invasion from Mexico and
its efforts to create an
Illegal Mexican Nation within
the borders of the USA WILL
be stopped! Make NO mistake!
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