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Wednesday, July 19, 2006

Open Thread for Wednesday

Los Angeles voters will decide in November whether term limits for City Council members should be extended, allowing them to serve four more years in office. The City Council voted today to put the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce and the League of Women Voters devised measure on the ballot.

What do you think?


Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think three terms will only extend the grasp of special interests for four more years.

July 18, 2006 9:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

They're shameless. They really think they can slip this shit through, and they might even be successful. MAYBE I'd support this IF CURRENT council members were excluded. It's just total self, selfish interest if current council members benefit from this.

July 18, 2006 9:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Absolutely outrageous! In fact, they need to lower the term limits. Nunez wants to raise the Assembly limits from six to 12 years....can you even imagine anything so horrendous????

Don't worry, voters are very informed this time around. We will never let this travesty occur!!!

All they do is give themselves undeserved pay raises. Nothing but a gang of crooks!!!!!

July 18, 2006 10:13 PM  

Blogger Phil Krakover said:

Yes! Expand our grasp!

We love you, League of Women Voters...

We already had term limits; they were called "elections".

July 18, 2006 10:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

who the heck are the league of women voters anyway? seems to me they're a bunch of old biddies with nothing constructive to add.

July 18, 2006 10:29 PM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

No no no no no no no no NOOOOOO!!!!

July 18, 2006 10:32 PM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

The special interests are trying to get more mileage from their bribes -- er, "contributions." By extending the terms, their dollars go further. We really need to shoot this thing down.

And what, pray tell, is the supposed justification for effectively repealing term limits? Do they really expect us to believe they need EIGHT YEARS OF ON THE JOB TRAINING before they can get it right? Puh-lease!

Not only should we reject this, but we should require each politician to work four years in the private sector -- the REAL private sector -- for every four years he or she holds in office.

July 18, 2006 10:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Vote NO on this one folks! We have got to get these peckers out of office now before they really send Los Angeles' economy back to the stone age.

Honestly, does anyone want to see Reyes for another 4 years? Parks for another 3+ years? Huizar for another 6+ years? I certainly don't! What makes them think another 4 years will make any difference? Trust me, it won't. All they will do is continue to court the illegal immigrants, developers and each other while leaving the rest of us to live in the crime riddled, graffiti covered, and gang infested neighborhoods. And they will continue to tax us all to death to cover their illegal immigrant programs and their paychecks.

July 18, 2006 10:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ohmigod... the fourth floor residents are definately smoking crack...

Let's look at our current tenants of City Hall and question ourselves... WHY??? To make it fair we'll start with the one who refers himself as 'Los Angeles Son'

CD4: Do we really want Councilman Tom 'Buffoon' La Bonge to occupy his seat for another 4 years. Besides taking care of his choice residents (Windsor Square, Hancock Park, Los Feliz, etc.) he has not - repeat has not given a shit about anyone else. He has not done a damn thing for the 'poorer' sections of his district nor given a rat's ass about his Korean, Hispanic or other undesirables in CD4 - unless of course they were good looking firefighters - then suddenly Councilman Buffoon is salivating at them.

Will we have to endure another four years of listening to him tell us about the 'good old times' back when his dad worked for the city and they drove around on street sweepers with white hoods on their heads scaring the little negroes out of their lily white neighborhoods?

God help us...

July 18, 2006 11:16 PM  

Blogger Peter McFerrin said:

Why are LAPD officers completely allergic to the idea of being accountable to anyone other than cops? You don't have to be a cop to oversee a police department, the same way that you don't have to be a surgeon to oversee a hospital. For people who pride themselves on a "warrior mentality," you would think that LAPD officers would be aware that the US armed forces--the real "warriors"--have always been under firm civilian control. (Of course, when you have American civilian politicians saying that the people getting sodomized at Abu Ghraib were all Evil Terrorists and that the Geneva Conventions are out of date, maybe there's something to be said for limiting civilian interference.)

Every big-city police department has the occasional brutality incident, but I can't think of any other department where officers are so resistant to the idea of being accountable to the people they serve. Perhaps it's part of the whole cops-in-cars, don't-get-to-know-the-locals "reforms" that William Parker put in place 50 years ago and created this current mess.

July 19, 2006 1:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe we can get Jackie Goldberg back, Yippeeeeeee!

July 19, 2006 1:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who's trying to "slip this shit through"?! The proposal was put forth in public, debated in public, voted on by the City Council in public, covered by news media for the last few weeks, and will be voted on in a November statewide General Election with much higher turnout than a municipal non-mayoral year primary or runoff.

No matter what one thinks of the idea of changing the term limit law, contrary to the paranoid ranting of you guys who can't stand the idea of the voters having a chance to disagree with you about anything, no one's trying to do this in secret. You'll have plenty of opportunity to whack away at it like a pinata in front of whatever audience you can muster.

Get over it and get to work.

July 19, 2006 4:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, don't you understand? If it isn't about CD 14 it isn't good.

This is strictly a bash Antonio and bash Jose blog.

Every time someone posts a decent thought, they try to take us back to Antonio and Jose raping the CD 14 populace.

How is it Antonio and Jose keep getting the majority of the votes there?

Gee, Nick, maybe they don't agree with you, ever think of that?

It is time for Nick, Eliseo and Rick. Jr., Nick's henchmen, to put away their computers and get real jobs.

The bad old days of Pacheco ain't gonna happen again. Ever.

July 19, 2006 5:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HEELLLLL NOOOOOO!!! These arrogant losers don't deserve more time to waste our tax dollars. Maybe if they were real leaders and actually did something good for this city. The overall consenus citywide on this is NO NO NO NO NO. Do you want another couple of years with the womanizer Dennis Zine who acts like a teenager who hasn't been laid? Do you want Parks who is the most racist, vindictive asshole who abuses his power like he's trying with Full Discloure to get his way. Do you want more of a DO NOTHING COUNICLMAN Huizar who never took accountability for LAUSD mess? Do you want more of Rosendahl telling people in council he's gay? Hahn who rants and raves about nothing and act as if she is somebody? Reyes needs to go back to school and learn something. His questions yesterday in council were laughable. Do you really want Wesson every Friday bringing those dogs to have them adopted? Is this why they voted in him for??? NO NO NO

July 19, 2006 6:47 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

Did you notice how the Council Members excluded the "city-wide" offices from the term limit repeal? That was interesting. I guess they want to have some place to go after their decade-and-a-deuce.

Also, one of them actually said he needed more time to accomplish big things. Hello?! The U.S. ramped up for, and won, WW II in less than eight years. What big thing did you have in mind, Skippy? A manned voyage to Uranus?

July 19, 2006 7:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

They want more time? If these morons can't do anything in at least 1 yr then they need to GO. Gotta love both LA Times slamming city council members who want Bratton to apologize...DON'T SAY ANOTHER WORD latimes.com Opinion

Daily News dailynews.com Opinion really tells it like it is on the term limits. Great Great Opinion Piece saying this is a slimy way council is trying to sneak this on the ballot...

July 19, 2006 7:20 AM  

Blogger Calamari said:

One one hand I'd like to see some new faces on the council. On the other hand, I'm concerned that term limits create an atmosphere where our representatives make decisions based upon their need to secure thier next job, not the one they're currently doing.

I don't see many of the City's problems being solved by an extension of the current council memebers' terms or by the next batch of folks to be elected.

July 19, 2006 7:23 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Even if the voters keep this new term limit from passing, it really won't solve anything. All these council people will do is support someone they handpicked to run for their seat. And unfortunately most of the citizens will vote for these puppets instead of taking a chance on someone new.

The only way the current system is going to change is if we, the voters, change it. Let's grow some balls folks and stop being stupid enough to shoot our selves in the foot. Don't vote for these guys or their personal replacements.

July 19, 2006 7:33 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

7:33, or "Seven," as his friends call him, is exactly right. As much as we detest crooked and incompetent elected officials, voters need to do their homework. Unfortunately, few do, and fewer take action. I'm guessing this is why monarchies, theocracies and the like last so long in so many places -- apathy.

July 19, 2006 8:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well this proposal has suddenly appeared on the public radar although there should still enough time to squash it if an apathetic public hooks on. Bottom line, this measure reeks of self-serving bullshit. As the Times reports, current term limits would otherwise force 7 of the 15 council members from office in 2009 and 5 others in 2011. I’d be more supportive of it possibly if it didn’t apply to current members. And Garcetti needs more than 8 years to accomplish "complex goals"?! So I guess he also won’t be able to accomplish anything meaningful during his 8-year commitment in the Navy Reserve.

July 19, 2006 11:26 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

Am I being too cynical, or is there something disingenuous about a politician in his 30's who, when we're at war in two deserts, signs up for the Naval Reserve?

July 19, 2006 12:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LA Times said it best saying Garcetti sent that letter too late and its obvious he did it to get press. These fools are the most arrogant this city has ever had. Weiss just a couple of days ago sent an e-mail to NC's saying it would be on yesterday's agenda for term limits. Its so corrupt how their trying to sneak this in. There has to be better people out there to run against these morons. If this is what LA can offer us tax payers heaven help us.

July 19, 2006 12:21 PM  

Anonymous stephen_c_foster said:

In a sense, I agree with the change of term limits... I would rather change them to one term of office. Make that term of office six years for ALL City-elected officials.
Elections for Council would be staggered in two-year increments (for example, in even-numbered years), with City-wide office elections to be held in six-year increments that are odd-numbered years. The City seems to have money to burn for "immigrants"; perhaps this money should be directed to the Elections Division of the City Clerk's Office.

THREE four-year terms? Are these idiots out of their minds??? The voters are going to wish they'd opened up an undertaking business... just to pick up the scores of newly dead taxpayers that were taxed to death!

Stephen C. Foster

July 19, 2006 12:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Total mockery of the process, arrogance and contempt by council members for the public. Self-interest is the only driving force here, and public be damned....

Daily News editorial today has it right!!!!!

July 19, 2006 12:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Whether it's deserts, oceans, city hall, or an air conditioned Navy intelligence unit building, I would be more impressed if EG focused like a Tomahawk missile on quality of life issues rather than demanding apologies from Bratton, attending Renaissance Weekends, or extending his admiralty of the City Council. Make no mistake, the quality of life here is sinking !!

On another note, KFI host Bill Handel may be ruling the morning ratings currently, but in my humble opinion McIntyre still has the best discussions, analysis, and historical context.

July 19, 2006 1:12 PM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

1:12 -- I agree with you 100%.
And don't forget: Doug is HILARIOUS. The humor helps one cope with the insanity at City Hall.

July 19, 2006 2:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

does anyone on this site look forward to progress? not all city councilmembers are horrible, and not all are good. but opening up the oppertunity for the good ones to keep doing their jobs is a positive. if you don't think your councilmember is successful in your area, don't vote for them, organize your community, or run for office. that is why we have elections in the first place.

July 19, 2006 2:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wake up you bunch of talk-shit lemmings. These CS politicians need another term just to find out where they can score some more big bucks. The public already has a way to get rid of politicians who can't serve the public instead of themselves. It is called RECALL. Remember Gay Davis?

July 19, 2006 3:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HOw many of these clowns didn't serve their terms last year? Antonio and Ludlow and how much did it cost us to replace them? I read the Daily News opinion and they are right on the money. The voters of this city would be just an idiotic as the council members if we gave them more time to embarrass us. Tell me one damn thing they have done especially the ones that have been in office a couple of years? Eric really looks bad in LA Times. Never thought he would be so dumb. Who advised him to send that letter so late? And please why did he give it to the press?

July 19, 2006 4:25 PM  

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