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Monday, May 16, 2005

Guess The Results

So from time to time, people come on here and provide logical thoughts (yeah, that actually happens on this blog) as to how they feel that the results will be on Tuesday, May 17th. Sacramento Nighties, Armando, and a few others are among those who have put their guesses online. Now it's your turn! Don't post your fary tales or post stories that we can already read on newspaper websites. Just post your guess, and try to put some tag name to ID your guess. That at least helps keep the scoreboard in order.

Also, just get straight to the point. With about 35 hours left in the mayoral race, none of us have time to read postings that are as long as the trail of tears in Hahn's administration right now. If you post up anything more than your guess, than you're either just a political groupie who has no idea what they're doing, or you're just sitting at home watching Jerry Springer while eating mayo sandwiches.

So there it is - guess it, bring it, and post it. After that, go play on the freeways or take a dive onto a nail. Blog away...


Anonymous Anonymous said:

AV by more than 10

May 16, 2005 9:06 AM  

Blogger Athena said:

AV 56 - JH 44.

May 16, 2005 9:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm with SacNighties on this one, Hahn 52 Tony the Liar 48.

May 16, 2005 9:23 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Uh oh, looks like rain tomorrow. Tony just dropped another 3 points. You know those Lateeeenos, can't get them out in the rain. That's the way Tony pronounced his ethnicity to those Black churches.

May 16, 2005 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Looks like Mayor Sam is AWOL again... should we take up a collection to run ads showing his fake persona running through the woods?

May 16, 2005 9:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:06 a.m.

You mean, of course, by more than 10 "votes" -- because otherwise you need to KEEP sleeping it off.

May 16, 2005 9:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Hahn was overheard at KABC studios as saying "I'm not worried about losing. The darkies always come home to the Hahn family."

May 16, 2005 9:36 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:28 ANON

Wasn't that the cheesiest political commercial you have ever seen. It is no wonder there is a 50% dropout rate - it looks as if the concept, production and direction of this commercial was generated by some high school dropout. I'll wager that this commercial actually cost Tony votes. $500,000 for this, should have just made a cartoon.

May 16, 2005 9:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:36 Anon,

Hi Ace, your blogging this early. Only Villaraigosa's consultant Ace Smith uses those terms (re: KABC), not Hahn. I knew it was you...go help AV answer those questions he just hates to be asked, "Why was he the only one that voted NO?"

May 16, 2005 9:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:




May 16, 2005 9:43 AM  

Anonymous Jim Alger said:

Jim Hahn by 3

May 16, 2005 9:43 AM  

Blogger Westsider said:

Prediction: AV 55%, JH 45%

May 16, 2005 9:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

He voted NO by himself because he's a MAN OF CONVICTION (unless "due process" gets in the way!)

May 16, 2005 9:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio by 6

May 16, 2005 9:45 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CONVICTED... not conviction... AV supports crimminals, thugs and gangbangers... everyone else but the PEOPLE.

May 16, 2005 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

AMAZING that these ADV-loving YAHOOS can actually think he's GAINING ground among the undecideds while he's wetting his pants and running away from reporters!"

"VOTE for ADV, his 50-yard dash (for the campaign bus) is getting faster!"

May 16, 2005 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Deadlock! The write-in guy gets 247 votes from family and friends and both Hahn and ADV get just under 50 percent.

Then WHAT?


May 16, 2005 9:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:36 ANON

You obviously don't know the Hahn family history. When Kenny Hahn came to L.A. during the depression one of your so-called "darkie" families took his family in. No questions asked, just unconditional generosity. Such acts are not easily forgotten by a family, even generations later. Hahn would just as soon bite his tongue off than to engage in this type of languuage.

Now ask Tony how many times he has used the term "mayate or pinche negro", I've heard him use it when he goes on with his nationalist Chicano rap. And for the campaign to come out and say Tony founded the Organization of Black Unity at Cathedral High, now that is being racist. His only contacts with Blacks at this school was during drug transactions, and then he got thrown out.

May 16, 2005 9:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OH NO, don't you know... ADV is the NEXT Tom Bradley.

They're going to open a new terminal named after him at LAX... but it only has flights LEAVING L.A.

(Wasn't Bradley a "sprinter," too... maybe thats how ADV keeps getting away from reporters with legitimate questions).

May 16, 2005 9:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Not good news for black/brown race relations to have Tony's buddy Vicente dissing "blacks" like that, in his Tejas appearance...

May 16, 2005 9:52 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Your wrong about that, 9:51 a.m. ADV has ALREADY answered the tough questions about the child killer bills. He's given 4-5 different conflicting answers, and it's getting too tough to keep track of which is which with various reporters.

So his new answer to that question is... "Jim Hahn is running another sleazy campaign by making me defend my voting record!"

Why do you need to ask anymore questions??

May 16, 2005 9:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

He voted NO by himself because he's a MAN OF CONVICTION (unless "due process" gets in the way!)

""""YEA RIGHT""""


May 16, 2005 9:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, Vicente was wrong. Bitter Bernie did want to do the job that Tony is seeking.

But in all fairness, Fox is a far cry from Mexicans in this country. He is super wealthy and obvoiusly part of the aristocracy that look down on everyone. Most of the immigrants coming from Mexico have dominant indigenous features and in Mexico, indians are treated the way blacks are here. So this was more of a wealth based racist comment than a Mexican comment - but still wrong. Think Tony can help Vicente in improving those "mayate" relations?

May 16, 2005 9:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn 50
AV 50

May 16, 2005 10:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Any negative remark from a Mexican politician from Mexico or U.S. (Mexican American) will make further damage to AV.

This morning while driving I was hearing the Spanish radio 107.1, and they made some good points about Mexico. The radio dj's said that if the immigration problem was to be solved, Mexico has to create jobs for the immigrants. That Vicente F. has to stop criticizing the U.S. for it's own faults and shortcomings, Mexico has to create jobs, security, and well being in it's own society. Those that do come here, and make it, is because they want to live a better life. Not a life that you study and go to a University in Mexico, then you graduate, and they end up driving taxis, selling food, etc... The dj's were persistent is saying that there is no other country they know that gives so much to it's people and the Mexican American's that are born here just throw it all away, most of them don't appreciat anything. Also, that the people should stop complaining, and instead stay one week in a poor run down neighborhood in Mexico; When they come back, they will have a different perspective of what they are able to have and do in the U.S. and appreciate what this country has to offer.

May 16, 2005 10:10 AM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

I'd like to believe the Sacramento Nighties 4-point gap, but I think Hahn's been a bit slow in getting back about the "MIA from school board meetings" rap that's running non-stop on TV and radio.

It's a completely fraudulent charge to paste on an L.A. mayor, and it's really more of a nasty reflection on the lack of character of the unions running it, plus the teachers for backing it up, but since the majority of voters don't have a clue what powers the mayor does and doesn't have, it's got more legs that most of ADV's own claims.

Hahn gets 50.5 to ADV's 49.5.

Then the fireworks will begin, because ADV's people will be crying fraud worse than any Florida or Ohio Democratic partisan.

(And please check back on some of my past calls re: announcements, candidate maneuvering, and misc. scoops. My rate of nailing these has been very good on this blog).

May 16, 2005 10:17 AM  

Anonymous boifromtroy said:

Villaraigosa by 5.

Rosendahl by 3.

May 16, 2005 10:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My wife's parents have told me they would have never left Mexico if they had jobs and food on the table. They came to the U.S., prospered, pay taxes, and enjoy what the country has to offer. They do not regret it one bit, but agree with the last poster, today's majority of Mexican American's are sedentary and see nothing beyond H.S level. Most end up preganant right away, work to support their child or parents. The parents do not understand that getting an education in the long run is much better than getting $10 an hour now and skipping college. My wife's parents would not move back to Mexico if they were paid to do so, they love this country so much and grateful for what it has given them as opportunities. Today's chicanos, latinos, whatever the proper term is have to realize the sacrifice that was made and not just resort to welfare and sit down at home and watch television all day while criticizing the neighbor for driving a better car, having a nicer house, or traveling.

May 16, 2005 10:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard Hahn on KABC again this morning, and apparently, ADV is following later today on ESPN - finally. Still not a major perch, but a bone for him, it's something.

He came on right after the "where's mayor Hahn" radio spot, with the whiney-voiced kid. So McIntyre's people used the kids voice again, as an intro -- pretty funny;

"why he's right here" they announced. And then he gave Hahn 5-6 minutes to explain why the whole concept of the ad was bogus - negating that purchase. His staff DOES attend, more so than LAUSD board members come to city council.

Also hit ADV again with flip-flopping all over town about Parks' chief position early on.

"Depends on what day of the week you talk to Antonio," Hahn said. Very telling - good points made.

Good explainations - but to your point, maybe not enough in time.

May 16, 2005 10:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Shut up! Anon 10:10. You do not know anything! Mexico is a wealthy country and we do not like other countrys telling us what to do. We have jobs food and safety and we only come here to work and then we go home and we do not stay like you tell

May 16, 2005 10:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

hahn 80 Av 20

May 16, 2005 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

10:28 ANON continued

...and I'm telling you this as I stand here in line waitng for my welfare check so that I can buy a plane ticket back home....

May 16, 2005 10:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

L.A. Daily News on-line poll results from Friday, May 13th:

Would you like to see Mayor James Hahn re-elected?
Yes - 63%
No - 37%

Guess all those endorsements in the valley really helped ADV. Zine, Padilla, Cardenas, Hertzberg, Riordan, Richard Close and the list goes on.

May 16, 2005 10:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My Latno American History Professor - a Latino - started his course with this joke, comment, whatever...

After God finished creating all the counries, the angels started asking him, "But God, you gave Mexico all those natural resources, the most beautiful beaches, the most beautiful mountains, the most beautiful weather, all that gold and silver, do you think this is fair to the other coutnries."

"Ahhhh," God replied, " just wait and see what kind of people I put there."

As a Chicano, I think this is funny. There is no denying history. Mexican leaders have run the country into the ground. Tony is cut from this same cloth. He was never drafted to be a leader, he just took it upon himself to claim as much. I guess this is the "people" that God was referring to.

May 16, 2005 10:52 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

63 hahn adv 37, thats close to hahn 80 adv 20, bye bye adv
from cd14

May 16, 2005 10:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HEY ANON 10:28, why are you so upset? Is it because anon 10:10 struck a nerve! Of course Mexico doesn't like other countries telling them anything, because it reveals Mexico’s HYPOCRACY. Why do you think Mexico's "entertainment industry" Televisa (which now partners with Univision) is so intertwined with politics? To keep the masses entertained, distracted and ignorant. They continue to portray poverty as "honorable" in telenovelas so the masses don't complain.

As a MEXICANA I find it appalling how MEXICO can allow the exportation and exploitation of its own people! Oh wait there is a reason, REMITTANCES! More than $6.3 billion annually. Instead of Mexico sustaining its own infrastructure, the money sent back home is! But hey the illegals that come to this country use our services and don’t even invest in the communities they reside in. They send it BACK to MEXICO.

So why would Fox want illegal immigration reform? This is going to stop the remittances from flowing back!!

Now back to the real debate oh how ADV is going to lose.

May 16, 2005 11:23 AM  

Blogger Phil Krakover said:

I'm trying to get back to console Kenny, but here's what I told you guys the pre-ordained result was, already:

Villaraigosa 56.2%

Hahn 43.8%

Now, try somehing harder, like Bill v. Flora...

May 16, 2005 11:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ordained by who Phil Bendover? The church of false accusations with Parke Skelton as the high priest?

May 16, 2005 11:38 AM  

Anonymous LaughingInEncino said:

Low voter turn out tomorrow.

AV wins by 7 points.

My vote is already in.

May 16, 2005 11:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

There goes Hahn again... lazy and willing to cut any corners possible.

They stole the Villaraigosa campaign's home page graphic, and are now using it as their own! SHAMELESS!!


Check it out -- what a bunch of losers in the Hahn camp. Don't even have enough creativity to design their own web stuff.

May 16, 2005 11:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Hahnistas are known cutters and pasters.

May 16, 2005 12:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did anyone hear about the donation from Hahn 2005 to Hal Netkin?

May 16, 2005 12:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Cooler Heads Must Prevail in Fight Over SCI-Arc Lot

This Wednesday, the Southern California Institute of Architecture (SCI-Arc) and developer Richard Meruelo's Merco Group are scheduled to appear in Superior Court to argue over the ownership of a crucial plot of land next to the school. Letting this dispute actually get before a judge would be the worst possible scenario for all involved.
SCI-Arc moved to Downtown in 2000, leaving its Marina Del Rey home and transforming a dilapidated railway depot at Third Street and Santa Fe Avenue into an urban campus buzzing with the activity of some 500 architecture students and faculty. The momentum extended to the surrounding neighborhood, which now boasts coffee shops, restaurants and residential complexes that did not venture near here before SCI-Arc.

For several years, the school used an adjacent lot for parking. Then, in early 2004, the owner of that parcel, Dynamic Builders, sold the property and other plots of land to Meruelo and his partner Danny Villanueva (who, according to Meruelo, is no longer involved). The new owners wasted no time announcing a plan to build residential towers. By some accounts they would be 50 stories tall, ludicrous by community standards for residential development, and probably not a serious suggestion. It smells more like the opening gambit in a negotiation, one designed to freak out the neighborhood. Which it did.

Matters went downhill fast. SCI-Arc claimed it had the right to purchase part of the property, although earlier efforts to do so seem to have gone nowhere. Then Meruelo fenced off the lot. Last July he told Los Angeles Downtown News doing so was in response to a lawsuit filed by SCI-Arc. So both sides have thrown down some form of gauntlet.

We're not sure who has the rights to the land, but we know that if a judge or jury makes the decision, then someone will end up angry, and may continue to drag the argument through a legal morass for years to come. Going to court would be a self-defeating disaster, considering that both sides have mutual interests in an active Arts District.

Each is stronger when combined with the other. Nonprofit SCI-Arc lacks the financial muscle to make the nearby property as vibrant as it can be; at the same time, without the life provided by SCI-Arc, Meruelo would have fewer target market tenants. Or if the 50-story tower idea wasn't real, Meruelo's land would almost certainly be less valuable with SCI-Arc gone.

You may have seen that Meruelo is a major contributor to Councilman Antonio Villaraigosa's mayoral campaign, and that he has been zapped in the media recently because of it. But that issue should not draw attention from this matter, crucial to the Arts District's future.)

Of course, the real weight falls on the shoulders of the dueling parties, and SCI-Arc brass must be chastised for occasionally threatening to leave the neighborhood, claiming that they can't stay unless they get their way. This is a brinksmanship tactic and experienced leaders like SCI-Arc Director Eric Owen Moss and prize-winning architect and school founding member Thom Mayne should know better than to play this card. Instead of stomping their feet like children (or like embarrassed adults who know they should have moved quickly on the property when they had a chance), they ought to apply some of that creative problem solving they are so famous for.

At the same time, Meruelo's chain link fence around the disputed lot has not helped matters. Why not take it down as a gesture of good faith and a sign that negotiations can re-open?

We know talks have been held in the past, that no agreement has been found, and that's why the court date is coming. Still, there is a last opportunity to step back, and a last opportunity for city leaders to play a role. It's a large plot of land and people with ingenuity are involved on all sides. Surely there is a way for everyone to get some of what they want, if not everything. What happens here affects not just SCI-Arc and Meruelo, but all of Downtown.

May 16, 2005 12:24 PM  

Blogger Republican against ADV said:

The Anti-ADV line works well enough for me.



I wouldn't put money on those actual numbers, but ADV will lose. His success depended on energizing, and as his "supporter" Hertzberg said "it's low energy" in this one.

The only energizing Hahn really needed to do was to rekindle a healthy fear of Villaraigosa and his far-left positions - primarily on thug-hugging, just a bit. That was still an undercurrent from last time. The Florida money was an added gift from ADV's hacks - nicely wrapped - to the Hahn campaign. Probably just in case Hahn wants their help in the future -- can't burn all those bridges, you know.

May 16, 2005 12:45 PM  

Anonymous Kevin The Mighty said:

Antonio by just under 4 points. let's say 3.75 spread.

May 16, 2005 12:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

For those hanging their hats on the Daily News poll saying 63% want to see Mayor Hahn reelected, let me tell you that I get emails from both camps.

The Hahn camp was urging people to vote in the poll; the Villaraigosa people were urging people to walk precincts.

That poll is as worthless as our Mayor, but, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and go to bed with it tonight; maybe it will help you sleep though the nightmare that will be tomorrow night for Hahn and Company.

May 16, 2005 5:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I hate to say it but Mayor Stinky Poopy will win by--dare we say it--a nose! And he'll have the same shitty staff he has now except he'll think the win was a validation that he has a staff worthy of tax payers dollars. Wrong! They will still be the worst, which is hard to do since Riordan has a stinky staff too. But Hahn's exec staff takes the stink prize by more than a nose. Good luck Jim . . .

May 16, 2005 8:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard that even Hertzberg will secretly vote for Hahn over hated Tony Villar!

May 16, 2005 8:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hertzberg won't vote for Hahn (Villaraigosa can help him more) but his wife will!

May 17, 2005 4:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OK, here are the official results:

Villaraigosa - 60%

Hahn - 40%

Kam Kuwata

(Don't blame me, it was Carrick)

May 17, 2005 4:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Check out the 5/16/05 KABC poll at surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls

A.V. 60%, Hahn 36%, undecided 4%.

528 likely voters.

Margin of error 4.3%

I don't make 'em up pally.

May 17, 2005 9:47 AM  

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