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Saturday, May 14, 2005

Kam Kuwata's Prediction!!!!

"Lose by 20 points."

Today's San Francisco Chronicle quoted Kam Kuwata an hour ago that his candidate will lose by 20 points.

Hahn's campaign gives up - throws in the towel - game over.

Prove me wrong!


Anonymous Anonymous said:


does the boss know this?

May 14, 2005 8:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Can't you butt-fuckers READ!

"COULD" lose!

"COULD" lose!

"COULD" lose!

May 14, 2005 8:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Gotta love how Chief Faker posts as an Anonymous right after his own threads -- so it looks like someone else is applauding his poorly thought out, mangled logic, mis-resported threads.

He just got tired of the Anti-Antonio's shredding his logic within second of his postings, and making him look bad. Poooooo FAKER.

So he's become his own mastubatory cheering section, just the get the "comments" off on the right (I mean FAR LEFT) foot.

DAMN, you ADV-lovers have been searching for some good news for DAYS now avoiding all the REAL stories to try and find ONE sentence that makes it look like ADV isn't on the RUN.

Looks like you found it - one of Hahn's advisors says, depending on turnout, Hahn could lose big.

(And depending on turnout, ADV could lose, too -- small loss, but that'll be enough!)

May 14, 2005 8:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hysterical spin, dude, this is the FAR leftie SF paper finally catching up to report on the latest poll showing ADV losing ground VERY fast -- results out of date before the reporter filed it mid-week.

May 14, 2005 8:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

VERY said for ADV Groupies they had to turn to a newspaper from the People's Repubic of San Fran to finally get some (twisted) good news.

Local media too "objective" for you people?

May 14, 2005 8:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OOPS, Hertzberg says its still not "in the bag..." does HIS new boss know THAT!

They're just "pooping" confidence over there, aren't they!

May 14, 2005 8:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I hope Kam is right and I'd love to see Antonio win by 20. But keep in mind this may be a clever ploy to fool people, you don't know. That leads me to scale back my prediction for Villaraigosa actually. I say he wins by 14%.


May 14, 2005 8:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hert_berg (who got SCREWED by local polls) DOESN'T believe ADV has an 11 point lead.

Go figure... wasn't this supposed to be HIM and ADV. Didn't a BUNCH of pundits count Hahn out in March?

May 14, 2005 8:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, sez Bob H. is VERY concerned... not enough energy. I thought ADV was his energy twin. He was in a marathon... ready for the final "sprint." Seems like the last week, ADV has been running AWAY more than running for mayor.

May 14, 2005 8:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You boys have had the entire ADV blogging militia avoiding Sissy City for days now scouring the media for an upside to ADV's decline, and this is the best you can do. Kuwata saying Hahn "could" lose under the right circumstances.

Hell, 4 years ago at this time ADV's advisors were spinning the hell out of themselves saying they could NOT lose.

Try harder (and make sure you pound on doors), because ADV supporters are sleeping through this one.

May 14, 2005 8:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sounds to me like Kam is wanting to energize their own people -- rope-a-doping the ADV dopes in.

May 14, 2005 8:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Blacks are "not running in droves" to Villaraigosa.

Better crack the whip on Parks and Maxine, Tony V. (Sorry, bad imagery).

They were supposed to deliver the African American vote JUST like YOU were supposed to deliver the LAtino vote for Kerry and put HIM over the top.

How DID that end up?

May 14, 2005 8:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Righto -- says they're NOT SOLD YET.

When are you going to sell them, ADV? Time's awasting, tic, tic, tic!

May 14, 2005 8:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here's another big "could" it says Latino's - ADV's strongest sub-group - COULD only account for 20 percent of the vote.

Good thing you avoided your own district so much, to try and sway the Valley and SouthL.A. so much ADV -- now THOSE two groups are heading back to Hahn, and the Eastside may just not come to the party!

Meanwhile, Hahn's people are hitting Latinos harder than ever.

That plan only works if it works ADV... neglecting your own area, assuming they're in the bag and focusing on taking apart Hahn's core constituencies.

PROBLEM IS, Hahn's strong areas from last time WERE strong for him, in large part, because HE was tougher on crime that you have EVER been. And now, what is Hahn beating you up over... WEAK ON CRIME!

VERY bad gamble...

May 14, 2005 8:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In all fairness it does say could. As in 'I could go swimming today but I will not' The likelyhood is that the race is close-turnout will determine who wins the election. AV's 11 point lead puts him in a good position but the GOTV effort will determine who becomes the Mayor.

May 14, 2005 8:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow, SF paper says Latinos MAY only account for 20 percent of the vote -- the "right wing nuts" that ADV and his groupies here have been spitting on for two months (sour grapes) could be almost that most, if at ALL motivated.

What might motivate them? ACLU-ADV, thug-hugging ADV, lying scum-bag ADV.

Sounds like good moves, Jimmy. No wonder you've never lost a citywide election.

No wonder ADV has never WON one.


May 14, 2005 8:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OH, and equally tongue-tangling "MAGIC" was supposed to haul in tons of Black voters, too.

But ADV's share has slide way back fro the Times exit polling SINCE those big endorsements.

May 14, 2005 8:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Coming from behind..." Hahn won four years ago -- there you go.

ADV has no legs - and now he's being seen as "fidgety." What the heck is he so nervous about -- supposedly ahead by DOUBLE digits.

May 14, 2005 8:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SF Chron. bought into the Villaraigosa spin -- saying Hahn failed to provide the Valley with services after secession failed. That is STRAIGHT out of the ADV book of daily lies -- the Valley has not been deprived. Look at the list of accomplishments on Hahn's site -- more than any other area (and 20 times what ADV has delivered to HIS own area in two years).

May 14, 2005 8:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Villaraigosa, on the other hand, 'has come and seen our concerns and he understands the importance of our concerns,' Mendoza said."

Yeah, yeah -- don't fall for that shell-game, mijo. Take it from CD14 people in-the-know... "I feel your pain" don't mean ADV intends to DEAL with your pain. Or even that he knows or can figure out a "cure" -- not even a BAND-AID, most times.

Sure, he'll look, he'll listen, his nod his head (while thinking about his "crappy little speech" for the next stop), but look at his record in CD14. He knows your "concerns" are important - because acknowleding them gets him ELECTED.

Then its...


May 14, 2005 8:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"...that's what helps Antonio. If you watch him, he's more ambitious. I JUST THINK he will make things happen," said Kulla.

YEAH, we THOUGHT so, too. in CD14 -- see the post at 8:56 p.m.

As lying Tony V. would say: "the proof's in the puddin" -- and he don't cook!


May 14, 2005 9:01 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

(for a LITTLE BALANCE – emphasis added… interesting phrasing below, too - Villaraigosa has to "overtake" Hahn, even though he's supposedly 11 points ahead.)

L.A. mayor way behind in new poll; But WHETHER CHALLENGER VILLARAIGOSA CAN WIN may depend on turnout, experts say
James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, May 15, 2005

Los Angeles -- Judging from the polls, Antonio Villaraigosa appears on the verge of pulling off a historic victory this Tuesday by unseating the incumbent and becoming this city's first Latino mayor in modern times. But, in spite of a recent poll giving him an 11-point lead, POLITICAL EXPERTS HERE SHAKE THEIR HEADS KNOWINGLY AND SAY, IN EFFECT, ''NOT SO FAST.''

In a city as politically and geographically fragmented as this one, many say, Villaraigosa still faces the challenge of energizing and holding his disparate supporters together long enough to OVERTAKE MAYOR JAMES HAHN.

One of his major obstacles will be indifference. A turnout of as little as 30 percent is being forecast, which both sides admit makes the outcome unpredictable, particularly in a race between two Democrats who differ less on issues than on intangibles like personality and trust.

"IT'S STILL A HARD RACE DOWN TO THE END," said Robert Hertzberg, a former speaker of the state Assembly who barely lost out in the mayoral primary in March and is now supporting Villaraigosa. "I DON'T BELIEVE THE POLLS. I AM VERY CONCERNED. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ENERGY IN THE ELECTION."

Kam Kuwata, a senior Hahn campaign adviser, essentially agreed, although he also conceded that his candidate COULD "lose by 20 points."
"Look, we know that Villaraigosa is a good opening act, but HE'S NOT A GOOD CLOSING ACT," Kuwata said. "With a very low turnout, you have a very manageable electorate."
With major unions throwing their support to the incumbent, Kuwata said, Hahn will benefit from union volunteers manning phone banks and knocking on doors on election day, a potential plus if turnout is modest.

Although Hahn is also suffering from an abysmal approval rating of just 38 percent, according to a recent Los Angeles Times poll, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT THE DISAFFECTED VOTERS ARE NECESSARILY EMBRACING THE CHALLENGER. In fact, the candidates have weakened each other with increasingly bitter charges and countercharges of corruption, making voters even more cynical.

VILLARAIGOSA'S 11-POINT LEAD REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT DROP FROM AN 18-POINT LEAD EARLY IN APRIL. The Los Angeles Times poll also showed TEPID SUPPORT FOR VILLARAIGOSA IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, 43 percent to 40 percent, with 16 percent saying they were undecided. Four years ago the black community voted heavily for Hahn and Villaraigosa's advisers had been looking for a big swing in their favor this time.

"There has been a diminution of Hahn support among blacks, but it is clearly the case that THEY ARE NOT RUNNING IN DROVES TO VILLARAIGOSA," said Franklin D. Gilliam Jr., a political science professor at UCLA, who helped conduct a recent survey of the city's high-propensity African American voters. "THEY'RE NOT SOLD YET."

The Latino community was behind Villaraigosa 77 percent to 17 percent, according to the poll, but Latinos, who represent roughly 50 percent of the city's population, MAY ACCOUNT FOR 20 PERCENT OR SO OF THE VOTER TURNOUT.

Still, even with these potential problems, Villaraigosa has cobbled together a powerful, well-financed campaign.

He has won an extraordinary number of endorsements, from powerful Democrats like Reps. Maxine Waters and Henry Waxman, and former presidential candidate John Kerry, to former basketball star Earvin "Magic" Johnson, and several of the candidates he beat in the primary, including Hertzberg, as well as a former mayor, Richard Riordan, a Republican.

The newspapers have come out behind Villaraigosa, 52. He has raised far more money than Hahn, 54, for Tuesday's runoff -- $2.8 million to $1.2 million, as of the end of April.

But many experts say THERE ARE WORRYING SIGNS FOR VILLARAIGOSA, mostly a result of the negative tone of the campaign in the closing weeks and the prospect that the flow of accusations could suppress turnout by making voters weary of both candidates. Voters will have little more than gut instincts and the distinct personalities of the candidates.

There is the tall, reserved, stately Hahn, scion of a famous local political family, exemplified by the fact that his connections helped make him batboy for the Dodgers as a child. Shy and something of a loner, he is separated from his second wife and usually rushes home after work to look after his two children instead of engaging in the nonstop glad-handing so important in local politics.

He has tended to stress law and order and gang control on the stump.
Villaraigosa, by contrast, is a FIDGETY, high-energy child of a broken home who grew up poor in the rough streets outside Dodger Stadium and had scrapes with the law before finding a mission as an organizer with the teachers' union. He is gregarious and driven, having worked his way up the political ladder as a coalition builder.

Not only does he rarely take off his suit coat, he rarely undoes the buttons as he races from one event to the next. As a young man Villaraigosa had two children out of wedlock, but his wife, a school teacher, and their children often make appearances with him now in a show of familial solidarity.

He has pounded the theme of giving Los Angeles an energetic new direction and a greater sense of common purpose, ALTHOUGH HE HAS BEEN SHORT ON SPECIFICS.

COMING FROM BEHIND, HAHN BEAT VILLARAIGOSA FOUR YEARS AGO by capturing a large majority of more conservative whites and a majority of blacks, who fondly remember his father, Kenneth Hahn, a county supervisor for years. This time, however, Hahn is hurting in both constituencies. He fought against secession by the more conservative San Fernando Valley, then failed to provide the benefits many there felt they were owed for supporting him.

Then Hahn pushed out the former police chief, Bernard Parks, who is black, angering many in the African American community. (Parks, now a city councilman, lost in the mayoral primary and has since endorsed Villaraigosa.)

But the principal complaint about Hahn is a lack of energy.
"It's simple," said Carlos Mendoza, who owns a construction company in the San Fernando Valley and is angry at Hahn for not helping small businesses there. "He has not delivered the things we were looking for. Hahn's concern is downtown development."

Villaraigosa, on the other hand, "has come and seen our concerns and he understands the importance of our concerns,'' Mendoza said. "I know a lot of people who would like to vote for Hahn but he just hasn't done anything for us."

Kenneth Yee is a business owner in downtown Los Angeles who has enjoyed the benefits of Hahn's support for development there, but his feelings toward the mayor are lukewarm.

"VILLARAIGOSA IS A GOOD CANDIDATE, BUT I STILL SUPPORT HAHN," said Yee, owner of Wing Hing Foods and a prominent member of the Chinese American community. "He's done something on crime and he FOUGHT FOR THE PLAN TO EXPAND THE AIRPORT. I travel quite a bit and he understands that we need that. I THINK HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB, even though the business climate is not too great. He could do more."

Norman Kulla is chairman of the community board in the Pacific Palisades, an affluent, largely white community that is the type of neighborhood Hahn has been counting on. Hahn showed up at a synagogue there recently, but Kulla said he was underwhelmed.

"I THOUGHT THAT HAHN WAS COURAGEOUS when he fought against secession and it was in the best interests of the city," Kulla said. "But then it was almost like he was done, it was like he just wasn't initiating anything any more. There's a lack of engagement, and that's what helps Antonio. If you watch him, he's more ambitious. I JUST THINK he will make things happen.

"This isn't being driven by race," Kulla said. "It's being driven by personalities."

May 14, 2005 9:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The amateur who think sthat saying your candidate can lose by 20 points is "rope-a-doping needs some Political Science courses. Start with Campaign 101.

If you say yur candidate can lose by a few, maybe, but 20 puts your base into a coma; they forget about this election and move on to something winnable, say like Eliseo's Recall, for instance.

Another huge Hahn winner. Number of signatures needed to assure a recall vote = 15,000.

Number of signatures filed by Eliseo = 0.

It was close...

May 14, 2005 9:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Boy that one Hahn supporter really summed it up, Tony V. "is a good candidate, but..." he's not voting for him.

That's ALL he's been good at since 1999, being a candidate. Nothing more -- nothing to show -- no accomplishments.

He better just go be a "good candidate" somewhere else, next year.

Stick with what you know, Tony V.

May 14, 2005 9:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That's impressive, 20+ posts and only one cut-and-paste so far. The "Hahn Squad" must have take the ADV-lovers up on their advice to go pound on doors this weekend, instead.

Too bad for ADV, then.

May 14, 2005 9:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Campaign 101 is even MORE definitive that you DON'T let your own people get complacent thinking your way out in front.

But HERE, you have Chief Faker, a Tony Toadie saying. Hahn's thrown in the towel, it's all over (read< sleep in kiddies, ADV's already mayor).

Yeah, THAT's right, take the week off, ADV hacks -- it's ALL over (nighty night!)

Maybe ADV's hacks are the ones need to take a refresher course, especially since they made him LOSE four years ago, and he's been sliding back ever since the first Times poll post-primary, WHILE they's outspending Hahn 2 or 3 to 1.

May 14, 2005 9:13 PM  

Anonymous meat said:


Hahn has a great record!

Although he doesn't pay for one ad saying one postive item about his record. He doesn't pay for one positive mailer saying something positive about himself. Now we learn that he can't say one positive thing about himself over the phone.

Say something positive Hahn -- every poll has more people hating you than liking you.

Have fun losing on Tuesday.

blog away dum-dums

May 14, 2005 9:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The question is, who has those signatures and addresses that were gathered by the recall? They might not have got 15000 but let's say they got 8000 or 5000 or 4000. That's a lot of anti Villaraigosa names and addresses in a district that usually has around a plus or minus 20000 turnout!

May 14, 2005 9:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That's funny, MEAT, I've been getting all kinds of expensive, glossy mailers -- pretty much everyday -- from Hahn, AND from several well-funded IEs talking ALL kinds of positive things about Hahn. From very believable sources, fir fighters, teachers, students. WOW, have you been missing out.

Maybe Hahn's people took you off the mailing list - or maybe your voter registration lapsed.

Or MAYBE your mommy screens your mail before she puts it in your basement bedroom (doesn't want to upset you too much -- you KNOW how you get!) And if ANYTHING happened to you, who would go to the grocery store for her (since, welllll, Daddy's never really been around!)

May 14, 2005 9:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

(Make that fire-fighters... the "fir-fighters" are on ADV's side with all the gun-toting, wacko animal rights nutjobs).

May 14, 2005 9:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Let's say"?

Let's say he got 23 signatures.

We'll never know, will we?

Why not?

Because he was either too embarrassed or too dumb to post them.

If there were 8,000 or even 5,000 or 4,000, then he could have posted them and let you Hahn Blogging Team posters spin it like it was a victory.

Instead you have have to make up the numbers and then spin it as a win.

Sad, sad, sad.

Maybe Hahn and Kam can catch on with Tom Daschle...

May 14, 2005 9:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That was a retort??

Now THAT's sad!

May 14, 2005 9:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Firefughters. Ya gotta love it.

Pat McOsker, chief spinner.

Notice any similarity between his name and that of Hahn's Chief of Staff?

May 14, 2005 9:27 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Finally something the Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa lovers can "cut-and-paste" with relish, after such a long drought (and after comlaining about Hahn's people "cutting and pasting" so much). To bad it quotes a Hahn supporter calling him "courageous" -- something I have NEVER seen anyone say about ADV® in tons of coverage.

With good cause, as so VERY well shown today, as ADV® exposed yet another serious deficiency to local media -- now TV viewers know he has no SPINE, either.

Once again local media made a first-rate case that ADV® is afraid of them and of his own record. No, this wasn't the right-leaning, knuckle-dragging, less-than 2 percent of the audience, lost-cause audience of talk radio that his most ardent supporters have been saying he has every right to avoid.

This was LOCAL TV news media. One of the network affiliates, just like when he accepted Hertzberg's endorsement -- only this time James wasn't handy to wisk ADV® away and he had to lie (SAY it ain't so), and say he "had to use the restroom." But then, as Linda Breakstone reported in a lengthy Channel 2 news report - HE SNUCK OUT THE BACK DOOR, instead.

This is the same TV media where he's been paying (well. . . his loyal supporters have been paying) MILLIONS to reach out with the message that HAHN has been running away from (not even his own) responsibilities with LAUSD.

This is ALSO the same TV media where they've paid millions to portray Hahn as invisible and MIA on REAL mayoral duties -- and there was Hahn, standing up in front of a sea of local TV news cameras answering tough questions while ADV® fumbled for his zipper in the WC. (Oh, but he did have Ace Smith talk for him about something completely unrelated).

Breakstone was doing HER job (try THAT in CD14, ADV®), and probing into why the explanations for ADV®'s now infamous lone vote against the child-killer law keep changing, and (as the L.A. Times proved today), don't hold water anyway. Channel 2 also had law professors on debunking his campaign's definition of what the "other" law would have done -- the one he "supported" instead -- that died before ever being enacted.

But ADV®'s answers weren't the only things not "holding water," because spineless Tony V. had to use the toilet, FAST (and run away even faster).

Maybe there are different definitions of being "proud" depending on one's political "bent" (a good word for someone without a spine) -- because ADV® keeps saying:

"I'm proud of my record of accomplishments in my district," - but mentions these non-existent deeds less and less.

"I'm proud of my support of public education," - but he wouldn't "risk" sending his own offspring there.

"I'm proud of my record in the state assembly," but each day he's less and less willing to discuss what he did there, to the point of sneaking away from reporters who ask (and not even that skillfully).

I hope at least when he went to the "gents" that he "rolled up his sleeves" -- because I imagine standing at the urinal could get very "messy," when you have NO SPINE!

I'm sure at this point the ADV®-lovers will "rant" back and say "he's going to win, get used to it." I still think they're wrong (Hahn, 52; ADV®, 48), but for the sake of argument, if they're NOT -- just how "proud" will they be that he won by lying, breaking promises, lying, hiding, lying, and running away?

(Did I mention - lying?)

I'd always assumed that being a do-nothing CM for two years would end up being the ADV® Achilles heel, but looks like I was wrong -- it may indeed be fear and cowardice.

From Mayor "Poopy". . . to "MARE" SCARED-SHITLESS" (you should pardon my French). What a glorious day that would be!

May 14, 2005 9:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lots of "family ties" in this biz, 9:27 -- so what...

Couple Alarcon's running around, making waves. ADV has a family member making trouble on one of the CD14 neighborhood councils.

So what...

Maybe you should get together a Million Dollar IE and send ut your own mailer saying "don't believe the firefighters -- it's a FAMILY thing."

Because IF you don't, people DO believe the firefighters..`who have one of the HIGHEST credibility rating in modern society. WAY past police, sheriffs, ANY politician, ALL union leaders (except to the diminishing number of union workers), AND well past teachers (one of ADV's IE groups, yes??)

Especially when the TEACHERS net results of late are 50 percent drop out rates.

Good thing the firefighters success rate isn't that low, or we'd all be living in ashes!

(NO CHARGE for that post, Mayor Hahn -- you're 3 times the man little teriified Tony is!)

May 14, 2005 9:35 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Oh, and in case anyone complains that I posted that last notice before -- it's true, but the old thread was petered out - no one was looking at it anymore by that time, and it IS a very telling story. A candidate for the top job in the No. 2 city in America pretending he has to DO No. 2 to avoid a TV reporter.

AND, she reported it that way - and I'm SURE will report it again on her Sunday morning show.

(No charge for either post, Roto Rooter!)

May 14, 2005 9:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Since SacNighties got to repost, here's my two cents again:

MEAT, where are you? Come on, blog away dum dum and tell us why your candidate is suddenly such a pussy. Just like in his make belive gangster days when he would instigate a fight only to run away. What has happened to your courageous white knight in shining armor. Linda Breakstone can't be that tough. Tony has turned out to be just a sissy, like you Ulyssisy.

May 14, 2005 10:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It sure is pathetic the way Lameboy Padilla and Napoleon Cardenas are walking around behind Tony kissing his ass. These two fools got a free ride when they won there east valley seats, no one else was there to challenge them. They got some money from Polanco and Contreras and all of a sudden they are community leaders. Well Polanco and Contreras are no longer here. For you Boyle Heights people that complain about the appearance of your community, have you seen the east valley? You'd think you were in some backwoods Mississippi town. And there hasn't been any improvement in the last 10 years. Just like Alatorre and Polanco who ruled the eastside in the eighties because there was no competition and are largely responsible for the sad state of political affairs currently afflicting this community, Lameboy and Napoleon rule the east valley - poor pathetic Latinos, being victimized again. Want to know where their future will end up, where are Polanco and Alatorre now?

May 14, 2005 10:22 PM  

Blogger Republican against ADV said:

I'm really sorry Hahn's people "appear" to have thrown in the towel -- since most of the real Republicans in the city were poised to vote for him (most of those already have - absentee), but in light of ADV's people ALSO giving up in the Times the day before, I guess the GOOD news is we get to start over and maybe run a Republican candidate after all. Both sides have admitted they could lose, and apparently given up...

In case you missed it - just like the SF Chron report that says Kuwata thinks Hahn "could" lose, ADV advisor Skeleton suggested the same thing for HIS boss a whole day earlier - in his profile:

"I need the warp and woof of a really interesting campaign I COULD lose," he said.

So there you have it Parker, Parke declares in the same way:

HIS candidate COULD lose...

ADV's campaign gives up - throws in the towel - game over.

Prove Parke RIGHT, Mayor Hahn (no $$)

The story ENDS Tuesday p.m., and not a moment sooner!

May 14, 2005 10:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:25 you're a moron. Why would Eliseo post a precious list like that. He doesn't have to prove how many signatures and addresses he got. But that is one valuable document!

May 14, 2005 10:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just cant wait until the pink slips start coming. I can only imagine how difficult it will be for Hahn and the rest of his posse of incompetent clowns to get jobs in Los Angeles. Y'all better buy the Sunday New York Times and start looking through the want ads cuz no one is going to be hiring you this side of the Mississippi.

Thanks for coming out, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you.

May 14, 2005 10:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In regards to the so-called Villaraigosa recall, I'm hoping that somebody can answer these questions:

1) Did Eliseo or his committee ever submit the signatures that were gathered to the City Clerk?

2) I would think that it would be considered public document, right? If so, can the public make a request to view those signatures?

If somebody can please let me know with solid information, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

May 14, 2005 11:00 PM  

Blogger Athena said:

The signatures were never submitted -- and they are not a public record. The signatures can be used for only one purpose - to qualify a recall. It is a crime for Eliseo or anyone else to use the petitions for any other purpose.

However, this is all hypothetical. There are no recall petitions. If you haven't figured out that the whole thing was a hoax by now, you haven't been paying close enough attention.

May 14, 2005 11:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You've got to be F U K I N kidding me!! Kam says his candidate could "lose by 20 points" and you MORONS think that this blog is somehow trying to SPIN that S H I T?!?! Wake the F up and start sending our resumes!!!!

May 14, 2005 11:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Every TV news tonight stated that the gap has closed in real tight. Now crybaby Antonio is whinning that Hahn people are saying MEAN things about him. IDIOT They're saying the truth and you just don't like it. As if the Antonio lovers are so well behaved. He's flip flopped on the child abuse bill AB2258 and it doesn't look good when you have a couple of prosecutors who the media interviewed today that stated on the record that the bill Antonio voted for would have made it harder to put child abusers behind bars. Now everyone knows HE'S BEEN LYING. Kam I'm sure was misquoted or he's smarter then we all think and its a ploy. Hahn has gained major momentum this past couple of days and all Antonio can do is cry. He's acting like a baby and yet he's the one who's had more money airing negative attack ads for months. ONly problem is during that whole time Hahn's poll numbers improved. Hahn's record on crime is what's doing it and have the REAL LAPD SUPPORT HAHN. Those FAKE cops are an insult. If Antonio really had law enforcement support he wouldn't have to use FAKE ACTORS TO LOOK LIKE COPS WITH SEWED ON BADGES.

May 14, 2005 11:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Kam could be right. There are now over 113,000 absentee votes already cast. That's well ahead of the pace in the primary.

61% of the votes already cast are from Democrats -- only 26% from Republicans. That margin means that it is very likely that Villaraigosa breaks even or wins the absentees. If that happens it will be a mercifully short night for Hahn, the coup de grace will be administered early and precisely.

May 14, 2005 11:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anon 11:06

You'll learn quickly that this blog is pretty much just a spin zone echo chamber for people who hate Antonio. The Hahnistas will spin anything into Hahn's favor. I think that the people who post here are pretty much Hahn staffers, Pacheco people, a couple of visciously racist valleyites and maybe Hahn himself. They're all pretty much uninformed and very angry and seemingly homophobic too. I saw one poster make a particularly vitriolic post who used the words "flim flam", a term Jimmy likes to use which makes me suspicious that the mayor wastes his time on this blog. Then of course there's a few anti Hahn people, mainly Meat and Athena.

Just remember, it doesn't matter what happens or what gets said, it is all spun as some horrible event for Antonio. If Jesus endorsed Antonio, it would be spun as a positive for Jimmy and a negative for Antonio.

May 14, 2005 11:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Helllooooo That should tell people how low his mentality is. LAPD doesn't want a gangster mayor who supports gangbangers, child abusers and drug dealers. Its insulting to them. MEAT answer this: Antonio has 16 homicides in Boyle Heights. WHY HASN'T HE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SINCE HIS BIG MESSAGE IS PUBLIC SAFETY????? If he can't even take care of his little district how in the hell can he possibly take care of the city? HE CAN'T

May 14, 2005 11:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Will Eliseo run for the vacant CD14 seat?

May 15, 2005 12:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:




May 15, 2005 12:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As a wise 21st century philosopher once said:

"My Milkshake brings all the boys to the yard,
And their like "It's better than yours"
Damn right, It's better than yours,
I can teach you, but I have to charge"

May 15, 2005 2:08 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just cant wait until the pink slips start coming. I can only imagine how difficult it will be for VILLARAIGOSA and the rest of his posse of incompetent clowns to get jobs in Los Angeles. Y'all better buy the Sunday SACRAMENTO BEE and start looking through the want ads cuz no one is going to be hiring you this side of SANTA BARBARA.

Thanks for coming out, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you.

May 15, 2005 2:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anon 11:27

You'll learn quickly that this blog is pretty much just a spin zone echo chamber for people who hate HAHN. The ADV LOVERS will spin anything into ANTONIO's favor. I think that the people who post here are pretty much ADV FIELD staffers, a couple of visciously LIBERAL GUILT-RIDDEN WESTSIDERS and maybe ADV CAMPAIGN HACKS themselves. They're all pretty much uninformed and very angry and seemingly homophobic too. I saw one poster make a particularly vitriolic post who used the words "REAGAN REVOLUTION", a term PARKE likes to use which makes me suspicious that HE wastes his time on this blog. Then of course there's a few anti ANTONIO, mainly REAL CD14 RESIDENTS who got taken for a ride by his "flim flam" tactics for the past two years.

Just remember, it doesn't matter what happens or what gets said, it is all spun as some horrible event for Hahn. If Jesus endorsed James Hahn, it would be spun as a positive for Villaraigosa and a negative for Hahn.

May 15, 2005 2:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:33 a.m. asked...

"Will Eliseo run for the vacant CD14 seat?"

The REAL question is, will a two-time loser like ADV stick around long enough to run for a second term on city council, or will he be soe embarrassed, will he be out of here before '07 leaving the city open for someone who REALLY wants the job?

May 15, 2005 2:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

11:23 p.m., boy are you one stupid number cruncher...
There are now over 113,000 absentee votes already cast. That's well ahead of the pace in the primary. 61% of the votes already cast are from Democrats -- only 26% from Republicans."

OF COURSE its ahead of the primary pace -- the vote's not going to set any records, but it's sure as hell going to be higher than the PRIMARY. -- and the percentages are STILL bad news for ADV.

1) This is NOT Democrts vs. GOP... BOTH are Democrats, but Hahn will get more GOP Votes that ADV. BUt that's not ALL he gets. After that an predictions are shots in the dark!

2) GOP is about, 20 percent of the registered but they tend to vote absentee a bit more often. SO, "ONLY 26 percent" hold up to that. BUT -- there's NO GOP candidate -- so that all just means... NOthing. No way to know how the Dems are slip -- no ways to know which camp's absentee push has been more effective UNTIL they're counting.

ADV's news has been SOOOO poor the last couple weeks, you LOVERS are trying everything to spin him some good news, including a MIND READING act on the party BOTH belong to too.''

What a hoot!

May 15, 2005 2:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

YES, angry illiterate past poster this blog IS trying to spin Kuwata's quote because they took it OUT of CONTEXT and INTENTIONALLY left OUT the word "COULD" to make their bogus claim the campaign had "given up" -- plus there are 1000 other words in the same story, many from Kuwata that say they are fighting tooth and nail TO WIN.

DIDn"T you see the other post. PArke Skelton sais ADV COULD LOSE, too.

Anything can happen at this point, and both sides are acknowledging it, because neither is stupid enough to think it's in the bag. (ADV's people did that 4 years ago and got burned -- that's why ADV isn't letting loser Skelton HEAD his campaign this time -- brought in someone else over him -- someone who's screwed things up for Villaraigosa JUST as bad in the final weeks.

Kuwata used numbers -- so what -- it's like saying "it could rain" when it's 101 degres. It was a HYPOTHETICAL and this blog is HYPOCRITICAL.

May 15, 2005 3:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ATHENA/Harriman -- you speak out of "experience" of course, because you've SEEN the recall petition signatures, or are your just bull-shitting like everyone else on ADV's blog squad.

IF the recall people were going to FAKE some numbers. why say the only got 8K when they needed 12K? Why not REALLY make it seem like AD is screwed in his own distric and they JUST missed... say it was 10,000 or 11,000 sigs??

If is WAS fake. But it WASN"T! Just grass roots and underfunded.

OR are you just betraying the same stereotypical RACIST attitudes your posts have ALWAYS betrayed, under BOTH fake screen names. MUST be FAKE, because REAL Latinos would NVER diss ANtonio -- and REAL Latinos would be too STUPID to run a recall and get two-thirds as many signatures as needed and get a LARGE percentage of the number of VOTES ADV got in the PRIMARY.
WHY IS THAT RACIST SCUM... because LAtinos arr TOO lazy and stupid, right? That's why ADV has to hire all WHITE Boys like you to run his LOOSING Campaigns.

WHy don't you just SAY what your racist heart wants you to say, and get it over with you'll feel better and then you can out your SHEET back over your head and get back to your real work.

May 15, 2005 3:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey 2:08 a.m.

My boloney has a first name!

Go back to the crack pipe, your losing it.

May 15, 2005 3:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sacto was right. CBS CH. 2 ran the same story again, said Tony V. RAN to the bathroom than snuck out so reporters couldn't ask questions about his votes on child killing legislation.

But that's not the reporter who has the Sunday a.m. show - she's on Channel (Laurel Ericksen). Wonder is she;ll hit him again hard though. She may have been at the same event.

May 15, 2005 3:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

L.A. Times Sunday has some other bits and pieces of coverage from reporters outside of the campaign busses.

Business columnist says NEITHER candidate has been addressing business development, and L.A. Mayor SHOULD.

Opinion section cartoonist spins pretty heavy against Villaraigosa. But in the end says, he would probably vote for ADV - if he could. Says's HAHN won campaign in points, but he'd like to call Villaraigosa's BLUFF. (Bluff = LIE, now even peoiple who WOULD vote for ADV are calling him a liar). That can't be good.

May 15, 2005 3:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Back in Opinion, Latino oped writer Greogory Rodriguez says race is playing a role in the campaign, but it's a plus for Antonio.

Says he's getting a pass on things like his voting record, because many want to see a Latino mayor (not necesaarily that he's qualified).

Back to what someone pointed out earlier though. VERY interesting. Rodriguez lives (or used to?) in the SAME small community in the middle of CD14 that Parke Skelton and Anti-Hahn activist Art Pulido live in -- all just within 2-3 blocks of each other in the smallest piece of that district. In a community of just a couple thousand in a city of 3.8 million. WHat are the chances of that... talk about campaign HOT spots.

May 15, 2005 3:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Chief Faker not only didn't say Kuwata said "could" lose he quoted him as saying "WILL lose" -- read the thread heading! That's even past the kind of BS spin that the Antonio-lovers would use in their own contrived mailers. They know they could get their asses sued for that kind of blatant misquote (that sounds like a partial quote in the SF paper, anyway... like he said:

"You mever know - we could win by 20 points, we could lose by 20 points"

...and the rabid leftist Chron just picked up the part they liked out of it.

But the BLOH heading is just a FLAT OUT lie, regardless!

Yeah, this ISN'T journalism or newspapers, but when did they stoop to just PLAIN lying here??

OH, yeah, that was when they jumped on board LYING ANTONIO'S bandwagon. It's so painbfully obvious that things are looking scary for their boy, when they have to put up easily decoded lies just to have some GOOD news for Tony's tailspinning camopaign.

You GOT to lie to support ADV -- even to yourself.

BEST line though was that ADV's most LOYAL core group - Latinos COULD (there's that word again), ONLY represent 20 percent of the vote... less than the GOP that Hahn's been courting heavily will represent!

Keep lying to yourselves ADV lovers.

It will hurt less on Tuesday night it you can claim this is some kind of FLUKE (again).

May 15, 2005 3:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

BUT PARK, WAIT --- The L.A. Times AND CBS news now say Hahn is NOT distorting Villaraigosa's record in the latest ads. SO just WHO is desperate NOW. WHO is trying to DISTRACT the voters now?

ADV is who!! (The little coward running out the back door to get away from reporters).


Dear Friend,

In just 5 more days, voters across Los Angeles will head to the polls to choose the Mayor who will lead our city for the next 4 years.

And 24 hours from now, our campaign leadership team will be sitting down with Antonio to finalize our budget for these last critical days. We'll be deciding how many more ads we can afford to run, on which networks, at which times.

As we make these final critical media decisions that will push Antonio's campaign over the finish line, I'm asking for your financial support -- one last time -- to make our choices much, much easier by eliminating any tough trade-offs we might otherwise have to make.

Please make one final contribution today, and help the Villaraigosa campaign finish strong on the airwaves!

Just yesterday, a desperate Jim Hahn unleashed a new flurry of scurrilous attacks, demonstrating his willingness to say and do anything to hold on to the Mayor's office.

We can't let Jim Hahn get away with his last minute, negative attacks to distort Antonio's record and distract the voters -- and we need all the resources we can to fight back and set the record straight.

Defend Antonio from Jim Hahn's false attacks and smears -- please contribute today!

Your last contribution of $100, $50, or $25 will make a huge difference -- especially when multiplied by thousands of other donations from supporters across Los Angeles.

With just 5 days left, we really need you now.

When we sit down with Antonio tomorrow to finalize our campaign strategy over these last critical days, please make sure we walk into that meeting with the financial support we need to fully fund our media plan, so we don't have any tough decisions to make.

Please make your final contribution to the Villaraigosa campaign today!


Parke Skelton
Senior Advisor
Villaraigosa for Mayor

May 15, 2005 3:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SO much for Valley Vote supporting Tony V. and being some big factor in this race - their latest agenda is out and the Mayor's race isn't even MENTIONED. And they're meeting the day before the election.

Another smoke screen -- no wonder the Valley is slipping back into Hahn's column big time.

(no charge for that update, Jim Hahn)

May 15, 2005 4:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey Kam:

Loose lips sink ships!

Adios U.S.S. James Hahn...

Hasta la vista!

May 15, 2005 4:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, loose lips like Martha, Jenny, Jean, June, Shirley, Helen, Jessica, Matea, and countless other little whores out there that Tony has recruited for his special needs.

Hasta la fista!

May 15, 2005 4:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Both candidates will be on Channel 4 this morning with Laurel Erickson one after the other.

This is why the LA Times is losing readers. Groupie Jessica Villagarrison reporter blatantly lies. There were over 100 supporters at Hahn's campaign and she writes only 40. If it was ADV she would have said 1,000.

Call LA Times and tell them about their lazy ass reporters horrible bias. Jessica used the word "attack" in a story on Saturday now ADV is running with it and telling everyone Hahn is saying mean things about me. What a sissy! Hahn camp is telling voters ADV's ACLU record, voting record on child abuse bill, opposing gang injunctions and now ADV is spreading false rumors. He deserves to go down

May 15, 2005 7:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LA Times, Opinon Gregory Rodriguez....During this campaign, many political writers seemed to have taken South's appeal one step further and avoided any questions related to Villaraigosa's

Is it racist to mention that Villaraigosa flunked the bar exam four times? Is it racist to look into his personal life for character clues? And what about this campaign's version of the Vignali spot — last week's TV ad on Villaraigosa's lone "no" vote in the state Assembly on a bill that upped the penalty for fatally beating a child under 8? Does that play into fears of Latino criminals?

Or does it reveal something significant about the candidate's character?

May 15, 2005 8:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio has $3.7 million, Hahn only $1.4 million and ADV has the nerve to still ask for more money. People be weary, I think he’s saving for his governor run. Antonio is using the race card because he's desperate and he's not looking to energized this past week. He actually looks worried. If Antonio goes to South LA today and tries to bring up the race card someone is going to ask him about the 30 blacks who are still doing time when Antonio let the rich white drug king off Vignali.

This is what Daily News……While this newspaper may disagree with many of Villaraigosa's positions, particularly those long past, we have come to respect his ability to listen and his willingness to compromise. He has the energy and leadership skills needed to revive City Hall and to get L.A. moving again, which is why we urge his election as mayor Tuesday.

May 15, 2005 8:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

While I'm not surprised that this section has had 69 comments already, I can't believe how many of these were done at the butt-crack of the morning. Everything from midnight through 4 am. Damn, I guess if you can't sleep, then blog!

May 15, 2005 10:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Previous poster, most of them were Hahn people, probably up late at night busily updating their resumes. They are going to be looking for jobs very soon.

May 15, 2005 10:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Someone told me that Parke Skelton and Ace Smith were yelling at each other over the clumsy way Villaraigosa is responding to this Child Abuse issue. It's getting hot over there!

May 15, 2005 11:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In 7 years CD14 has had Goldberg , Garcetti, Pacheco, Villaraigosa & now they may have yet another Councilman for 18-24 months. Can you believe those poor bastards! 4 possibly 5 candidates in 7 years!!!!!

Aren't these 4 year terms? Say, isn't there a senate race AV is gearing up for in 2006?
Ahhh another special election....just what this city needs.

May 15, 2005 11:08 AM  

Blogger Morris said:

Politics are a waste of time.

Ask Morris

May 15, 2005 11:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

10:14 a.m. doofus: I posted many of those early a.m. responses to the ignorant Pro-ADV shock troops trying to surpress real Angelinos from voting.

I work swing and sleep days (NOT for the city in any way), so this is usually my only opportunity to respond to this silliness point by point.

I DO it because I see the city I love about to go over the cliff with Pied Piper ADV like a bunch of suicidal lemmings, because he has "energy" (but still gets nothing done! That's called spinning your wheels, and is useless to all involved). Also, because he has "charisma" - which is also what conmen and snake-handling preachers have - and ADV's rabid followers on this blog act like their shills in the crowd for JUST those kind of conmen - the kind of shills who get a piece of "the take" after the con.

Look at the Ethics Website and the Times report on ADV's handlers and you will see who gets a big "piece" every time ADV runs -- every other year for the last decade. He's their money machine - of COURSE they pump him nonstop. They BELIEVE in him, because he fills their hack wallets. That's why!

My resume is updated, but I'm npt changing jobs... don't worry. I'm NOT in city politics, but my district DID get a job 2 years ago - a CON job. And now that conman wants to take his "flim flam" (lots of people use that word) show citywide.

People here are pissed at the do-nothing councilmember -- he screwed us -- even the L.A. edirotial cartoonist says he "neglected Latinos!"

I don't "hate" Villaraigosa. I don't think he even realizes how ineffective he is, because he paid hacks give him lies and partial truths, and he probably wants to believe it. But because of that, there's no hope for him, and he will only do worse in a more complicated position.

Excuse me for excercising freedom of speech during MY waking hours. We don't all have cushy jobs in CD14 field office avoiding work and accomplishments.

May 15, 2005 11:45 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Laurel Ericksen did ask ADV about the bills and his hodge-podge contradictory answers about why and how he handled that.

He didn't leave the room this time, but he did dodge the question, AGAIN.

His answer to why he voted against one child killing bill and supported another (not specific to that) - one everyone knew would never become law will sound familiar:

"That's just Jim Hahn distoring my record again, he's running a campaign of FEAR" (end of answer, and Erickson rushed to next question, running of time... let him slide).

The only FEAR in the room is in ADV's eyes. His past is being explained and understood now, NOT distorted.

Maybe that's what ADV means when he says "campaign of FEAR" - because he's sure looking more and more afraid.

May 15, 2005 11:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Loose lips sink ships"

DAMN these Tony Toadies are go SO much more clever and creative... they're MILES past the "nail in coffin" - now.

But your forgot to say, junior high debator are the the rats ALSO leaving the sinking ship?

Is there a fork to stick in someone?

Read a book sometime, these comic book responses are SO weak and tiring!

May 15, 2005 11:52 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I saw Laurel's interviews too -- Tony V.'s responses to not getting anything done as councilman were WEAK too. He mantioned two things -- both done in mid-late 2003. That was it!

Oh, and the open space in Boyle Heights.

One thing since fall 2003, and THAT open space deal apparently isn't done. But I'm also aware of about 5-6 OTHER open space issues in his district he sat out, and patted the developers on the back about (or pretended to deal with, when the fix was in already)... Elephant Hill, Santa Fe Hill, Pacific school space (a ready-made "small school" that he claims to support, and Moon Canyon, (still up in the air, and there WAS money set aside to fix that).

So the one win versus 6 losses is very weak comeback, VERY weak.

May 15, 2005 11:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well at least copycat Parker isn't stealing MEAT's lame signoffs anymore -- not he's stealing the "Pathological Liar" guy's signoff.

More appropirate....

May 15, 2005 12:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anon, Are the people you mentioned below on your post involved in politics?
Yeah, loose lips like Martha, Jenny, Jean, June, Shirley, Helen, Jessica, Matea, and countless other little whores out there that Tony has recruited for his special needs.

Hasta la fista!

May 15, 2005 12:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In case you missed it - just like the SF Chron report that says Kuwata thinks Hahn "could" lose, ADV advisor Skeleton suggested the same thing for HIS boss a whole day earlier - in his profile:

"I need the warp and woof of a really interesting campaign I COULD lose," he said.

So there you have it Parker, Parke declares in the same way:

HIS candidate COULD lose...

ADV's campaign gives up - throws in the towel - game over.

Prove Parke RIGHT, Mayor Hahn (no $$)

The story ENDS Tuesday p.m., and not a moment sooner!

May 15, 2005 12:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Their only involvement in politics is through Tony. Martha worked for the painters union, Jenny currently works for Tony, June is only a political issue with Tony, Shirley is the ex-state employee that Tony fought with in the State Capitol garage, Jessica and Matea report on politics - so yes, you can cay they are in politics, if only by the virtue of Tony being in them - get it?

May 15, 2005 12:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Least amount of cutting and pasting of any recent thread.

The troops must all be phone-banking. More bad news for ADV. This is the weekend all the procrastinators make their decisions, and the news shows are making ADV look very worried and indecisive about his own record.

Ch. 7 also had back to backs with both candidates and Hahn was the most animated he's been in any debate and he stuck it to ADV on the Florida money, cleared up the weasel words about the Tyler Jaeger, declared his own innocence very forcefully about old contributions for "corrupt" people - said "throw the book at them."

Very persuasive - ADV was defensive, evasive and repetitive... no new facts, no good plans, just accusations back and more whining.

May 15, 2005 12:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Differences in fund raising tactics:
Hahn works while he campaigns & AV gets to take a paid leave to fund raise. He ain't done squat in his district. Any wonder he's raised more money ?

Saw AV's pathetic ad on education this weekend. Fake Hahn actor running into a field--w/voiceover saying hahn only went to 2 lausd meetings----ooops AV you forgot to tell us how many you attended while you were in FL or working for Kerry.

May 15, 2005 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Word on the street is that Tony is going to blow this one because he pussied out. He had it in his grasp and he fumbled the ball just like he fumbles his affairs. What a joke, I'd give anything to see Tony's, Parke's, Barkan's and Ace's face on Tuesday when those numbers go up. What happened to all the "we're going to fight back" shit talking that was going on? Running away from reporters - and for issues you guys knew were going to come your way - pathetic. Stick a fork in Tony's career, it's over - I wonder if Eli will take him back, even as a janitor.

May 15, 2005 1:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thanks Anon 12:18

I want to tell you that before I was not aware of who A. Villaraigosa really was. After reading this Blog site for over 2 months and referring all of my family members to it; the entire candidates have been clarified for us. We blindly followed A. Villaraigosa to his every word, because he is a Latino. If the candidates were both the color BLUE and I would base my decision on what they have each accomplished, said, and kept as promises....well...my decision and that of all my family members is to vote for Mr. Hahn.

I don't know if more of you out there did this, but for the past months since I started reading the blog, I referred my family members. They in turn, referred other family members and friends. Yesterday we had a family wedding, it was over 400 people. The table I was at was discussing all of the topics that came in light in this blog, yes all the good and especially all the dirty stuff from A. Villaraigosa. Villaraigosa has lost almost all of his support from this family, I can only imagine if this has happened to other families.

May 15, 2005 1:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


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May 15, 2005 3:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:37 ANON

Were we at the same wedding. I was at a wedding in Sylmar and Villaraigosa was the topic of conversation there too. Everybody was talking about what a slimy scumbag Villaraigosa was. One of the kids there attends Loyola and he said that his son is embarrased of him because of how he has shamed his mother. People were talking about Villaraigosa being more loyal to Jews than to Latinos. But the kicker was that nearly everybody knew directly or knew someone that could verify Villaraigosa's illegal activities. And we weren't talking about campaign stuff but the attempted rape, the assualts, the drug dealing, the FBI raid on his Boyle Heights apartment. In all, Villaraigosa is a despised man and there won't be any tears in the Latino community when he loses on Tuesday.

May 15, 2005 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:18 ANON

How pathetic can your campaign be if you have to come one this blog and ask for volunteers? What's the matter, can't get any more buses to bus people in? Why can't Alvin or Enrique or Gustavo or any of those other bozos bringin volunteers. Has your campaign lostit's spark? Or has Jenny scared everyone away.

May 15, 2005 3:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is from Marc Cooper's blog site today. Looks like Hahn has hit bottom. Not, bottom was hit when he tried to squeeze an endorsement quote from Miguel Contreras at Daniel Freeman.

"I got a phone call from L.A. Mayor Jimmy Hahn today. Or at least from one of his surrogates – a well-spoken woman with a perky voice. I’m not surprised by the personal call. After all, I live in an upper middle-class burb of Los Angeles in the West San Fernando Valley, among the few areas in which Mayor Hahn retains any credible base.

"I wasn’t home, so she was kind enough to leave the message for me on my machine.

"It was quick and to the point. Basically, she said, I shouldn't trust Hahn’s rival in this Tuesday’s election because he – Antonio Villaraigosa – is a Mexican gangbanger who hates Jews.

"Well, she didn’t quite put in those words. Instead she politely referred me to a web site where, she said, I could learn of Villaraigosa’s ties to “radical anti-American” and “anti-Israel” groups."

May 15, 2005 3:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tony hates Jews?! Come on, he wishes he was a Jew. He admitted as much to Matea Gold in her profile on him in 2001. Tony hates being Mexican which is why Latinos will be staying home on Tuesday - 550,000 elligble voters.

May 15, 2005 4:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Right 3:29 -- not only a pathetic appeal, but WHO do they want you to campaign for???

They post this right after several ANTi-ADV posts, and at first I thought it was an appeal for Hahn volunteers, until I caught the address.

Or were they trying to be deceptive -- like thos fake "health counselors" that put up office right neat abortion clinics - to talk people people out of it.

Either way, pretty lame! And, they sound desperate from someone supposedly double-digits ahead.

May 15, 2005 5:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio is SO DESPERATE he send some 15 teeny boppers to disrespect a press conf. Hahn was having in the valley with MOTHERS. They were volatile, intimindating and aggressive. They ranged in age of about 14-16yrs. They wore t-shirts that had "Villaraigosa on the front and AZTLAN on the back. They touted sayings like "it's time to take back our land." The media was recording them so its verifiable. This was a great sign to the Hahn people. If Antonio was so confident then why waste the time sending the kids. These mothers had their children with them and these idiot teeny boppers were pushing and shoving them.

Love Dave Byrant for asking Hahn why Antonio wants to change the topic and NOT ANSWERING THE CHILD ABUSE QUESTION.

May 15, 2005 5:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did you guys notice Tony's pathetic attempt at a Black accent when he spoke at that church. I wonder if Maxine is training him on how to sound more like Jesse Jackson. I guess when Tony loses he can always become a Black minister. Hahn 52 Tony the Liar 48, thaaaaaat's greaaaat!

May 15, 2005 5:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Can't fault Kam for being candid at one of those weak moments. Reality is setting in; indeed the Mayor could be ousted by double digit points. I am willing to wager Kam is also worrying about collecting all the fees he is owed from the campaign. He knows no one is going to write a check past Wednesday to a lameduck. Oh well, maybe he can skim off from the mayor's criminal defense fund. The mayor does not need that, right?

May 15, 2005 5:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What a great strategy Parke, ignore the Tyler Jaeger questions. Were you the one advising Kerry to ignore the Swift Boat Veterans. A 20 point lead blown in the last month - unheard of. I hope you appreciate your place in history, must be nice to become a legend in this fashion.

May 15, 2005 5:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Blogster Cooper, or his sources, need to get a better grip on the reality of some dynamics of L.A. and American politics.

Anti-Israel is not the same thing, in any way as "hating jews" -- there are many prominent far-left American jews who are very ANTI-Israel, don't believe it should exist, or at the very least that it is something like a terrorist state in its present form - and they oppose U.S. support of it.

Not all jews are Israelis -- far from it.

A few leftist/socialist jews are high up in ADV's campaign circle. They would spin away from this characterization today -- but on Wednesday, after the runoff, would happily make it very clear that they are very anti-Israel -- so the phone call may have simply been pointing out some realities of Villaraigosa's political bent, and the alliances of some of his key advisors.

Fair game.

Just because someone received a call denouncing ADV does not mean Hahn was behind it. Bottom line, ADV has many more enemies in this race than Hahn even has friends.

They have attacked ADV in every major race -- but most notably for mayor, because they feel his leftist, socialist leaning are anti-American.

Also fair game. Pro-ADV would like us to believe the IE funds and their providers who are targeting Hahn have no ties to ADV's campaign (which would be illegal), but will gladly jump into the assumption that Hahn is behind every independent force that is AGAINST ADV -- even blatantly racist ones.

They can't have it both ways. Hahn has no responsibility to silence ADV's critics, some of which have been attacking him publicly and making phone-bank calls against him for years. They would doing this is ADV was running against Hertzberg, Parks, Alarcon, Walter Moore, or Melrose Larry Green.

ADV-lovers need to get a grip on reality -- Villaraigosa has many enemies of all races and political walks. Many of the news ones are former recent supporters who feel betrayed by neglect of his own Eastside district and Latino supporters.

Just because he has picked this many fights, doesn't mean everyone opposing him is on the same "team."

Not be a mile.

May 15, 2005 5:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Re: 5:31 p.m.

I can't fault PARKE for being candid at one of those weak moments (re: L.A. Times Friday). Reality is setting in; indeed ADV could be the first Latino mayoral CANDIDATE to lose large leads twice and be beaten by a "boring" mayor. I am willing to wager PARKE is also worrying about ever working again in L.A. politics -- after being replaced as head of the ADV campaign by Ace Smith following the 2001 embarrassing loss. He practically an honorary advisor at this point -- "just sit home, Parke, and mail ennoying fund raising letters."

Oh well, maybe he can get another part time gig when Tony V. runs for state senate.

ADV WILL need that job, won't he? He WON'T stay in City Council - it was all a ploy to run for mayor again anyway. I'd also wager ADV will resign from his CM post within 60 days of becoming a two-time loser, so he can concentrate 100 percent of his time on getting another job (instead of 90 percent for the past year).

May 15, 2005 5:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm a high school english teacher and was watching Councilman Villaraigosa on television this morning. Can anyone explain to me why the Councilman continues to use the term "counter-distinction" to describe the differences between himself and Mayor Hahn? Doesn't he know that their differences would be a distinction in the two, and that "in counter-distinction" would mean they have the same position?

May 15, 2005 6:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Now that this thing is just about over, I can't believe what a poor campaign Kam and Carrick have run. What a bunch of losers! No wonder Gephardt sank like a rock in the Presidential primary. No positive message being articulated by the Mayor, just stupid attack after stupid attack. Who is going to hire them after this debacle? They have incumbent Mayor with tremendous name ID, good fundraising ability (up to now) and a legendary father and all they can muster up is a 10-12 point defeat? How embarassing for both of them. Clowns.

May 15, 2005 6:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Those "clowns" are overtaking the little yello-bellied, toy chihuahua faster than his tiny legs can carry him.

But then, he's never HAD legs in any citywide race.

PLEASE continue to write Hahn off, and join the Parke S. "how'd he do that" club (established 2001), Late Tuesday.

May 15, 2005 6:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I hve been a loyal supporter of Jim Hahn's for 24 years. I voted for him for Controller and for City Attorney and then for Mayor.

In the last election, I was put off a little by his tactics, but decided I would give him four years to prove me wrong about him.

Well, the four years have passed and I am now getting the worst possible calls from his supporters saying the most G_d awful things about Councilman Villaraigosa. They simply cannot be true, any more than the drivel I read on this site.

I am totally disgusted with the tenor of his campaign and the really repulsive things I am hearing.

I am sorry, but I cannot cast my vote for someone who would do this. My husband and I will be casting our votes for Villaraigosa tomorrow.

At least he doesn't have to tear down his opponent to look good.

May 15, 2005 6:39 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

Judged by the company one keeps!

The Far Left, L.A. Alternative press, to no one's surprise, has also endorsed Villaraigosa, but their one-sentence endorsement was even more perfunctory that even the L.A. Weekly's.

More telling though, was a scary proviso just offered by the City Editor involving one of ADV's key advisors -- Richard Alatorre, a legendary bogeyman in Eastside politics who sits at ADV's right hand (even top, top ADV advisors have expressed concern publicly and privately about Alatorre's "aura."

Here's the story (be advised that Haefele has NEVER been a fan of Hahn's -- now sees there MANY be a reason to vote for him):

L.A. Alternative Weekly
Marc B. Haefele
May 12, 2005

Councilman Richard Alatorre left City Hall in complete disgrace back in 1999 — his reputation bleeding like a stuck pig from disclosures of graft, tax evasion and confessed drug use. He tried to cover his retreat with a mariachi celebration in the council chamber (from which city staff, along with residents of his district, were conspicuously absent) and a worshipful, 100-page bio. It was as though he hadn’t resigned under threat of indictment, as though he hadn’t been forced into a runoff by an under-financed complete unknown 1995, as though he didn’t face massive opposition for his seat in the election to come later that year. Despite the stage-managed hoopla, it then seemed his personal career elevator had stopped for all time on the first floor with its door open and no way for him to go but out.

I didn’t want to have to revisit all this. I thought I’d written off Alatorre in 2001, after he got his sentence reduced in federal court to a few months of house arrest with an alarm bracelet. Anyone less masterful at fixing would have done real jail time.

But last week in local weekly City Beat, there was a puff cover piece on Alatorre that drew him as a vintage Bruce Springsteen-style hero with just one sympathetic flaw —- his need to protect his sister-in-law’s daughter. For this, it was said, he committed his one major crime of shaking down an apartment owner for about $40,000.

In truth, if you look at his voluminous public history (check the LA Weekly online archive, for instance), Alatorre was a bad seed from the moment he took his council seat in 1985. He chaired the MTA, and then sold it out, firing a CEO who tried to block his favorite rigged $65 million contract. Then, later, he fired a whistle-blower who tried to stop the contract down the line. He took two sets of bribes for the same roof on his house in Eagle Rock. He was even lousy on district services for 14 years in office — leaving his single-term successor, Nick Pacheco, to clean up after him. All this and much, much more.

The most interesting thing in the City Beat piece, however, was a claim that Alatorre is now sitting at Antonio Villaraigosa’s right hand. If Alatorre is really that big with Antonio, it may explain why Villaraigosa has been showing such Alatorresque traits as mumbling inarticulacy, heavy head gestures and brooding demeanor at his recent appearances —- not excluding that almost, for him, tragic penultimate debate with the incumnbent. A strong Alatorre presence (and I’m not yet certain there truly is that presence; Villaraigosa insiders merely say the two talk) in Villaraigosa’s second mayoral campaign could be the first really good reason I’ve seen to vote for Jim Hahn.

May 15, 2005 6:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nice try, but you can read the tracking numbers as well as I can. By the time Tuesday night rolls around this thing is more likely to be an 18 point victory for Antonio than the 11 point lead stated by the Times. The people of LA have spoken, and they have chosen not to reward corruption, incompetence and laziness.

May 15, 2005 6:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

6:39 p.m., you must be about the most STUPID, transparent ADV plant to his this blog yet.


What do you think his has spent MOST of the multi-millions on for the past 8-10 months on? He and the other Kumbayah boys made it an art form.


Ask Nick Pacheco who gross, illegitimate slime he got handed for 5 months when ADV wanted his seat... THEN he's declared innocent of EVEYTHING?

ADV not only tears down his opponents, he TEARS down people who just support his opponents. There have been dozens of factual examples posted here for weeks.

He has NO accomplishments of his own. EVERY time has is asked about his OWN lousy record in city council, he answers the question by TEARING HAHN DOWN. What else can he do... he CAN'T defend his record - ONLY tear others down.

Hahn is not responsible for what Antonio's many enemies do in their calling, but if it helps get the word out on this two-faced, promise-breaking, incompetent perpetual candidate, it CAN'T be all bad.

You'renot really a former Hahn supporter, that plain -- and if you think this little separate PLOY to call off the callers is going to work, think again. ADV made his bed full of enemies. He wasted the last two years on vendetta and has NO record to run on more recent than 1999.

PLEASE do vote to ADV, you probably did by absentee weeks ago, you snitty little campaign hacl fake.

May 15, 2005 6:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"The people of LA have spoken, and they have chosen not to reward corruption, incompetence and laziness."

REALLY, 6:45 p.m. -- when did they do that? Did I sleep through he election? I could have sworn it was Tuesday??

Bob Hertzberg says he was kicked out of the runoff in the last 48 hours...

There aare still more than 48 hours left. But you GO AHEAD and tell the ADV supporters who have yet to go the the polls that it's ALL over...PLEASE!

It's OFFICIAL from a Sister City Anon, ADV supporters. All done, ADV has won. Go home and watch MTV on cable and stop calling people and bothering them. ADV voters... the 3/4 who haven't voted yet.

Work late on Tuesday. You'll need the overtime to pay the extra taxes ADV wants to have a "discussion" about!

May 15, 2005 7:01 PM  

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May 15, 2005 7:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Boy, did Tony V. look scared in the network affiliate news conference sit-downs today. Looked like he had just swallowed a very bitter pill. He must have been thumped pretty good by his campaign flacks who are seeing a NEW writing on the wall,`and it says "there you GO again, Jim Hahn - moving ahead of my cowardly standstill with local media."

May 15, 2005 7:06 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

I should footnote my last post there - although the L.A. Alternative press is not that well known citywide (it was formerly a Sliverlake throwaway), Haefele is... I believe he was one of the top political writers for the Weekly and/or New Times for years and is on radio as a local commentator often.

May 15, 2005 7:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Throws in the Towel

End of story...

Not a creative bone left in the Sister City body. Time to go on the public dole.

May 18 "stick a fork in" Mayor Sam's!

But maybe that was the plan, all along - eh, Ace?

May 15, 2005 7:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, sounds like a pretty good "opp research" scam -- especially if the "they're all Hahn staffers" rumor was true.

But is not -- and it's just a bunch of political naifs posting here?

Waste of effort.

May 15, 2005 7:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

DAMN that James Hahn, he's telling people what a scumbag Tony V. is using the TELEPHONE.

Now WHY didn't Ace and Parke think of that -- those hundreds of people they have calling voters are surely JUST saying NICE things about James Hahn.

Or not EVEN mentioning Hahn, and JUST telling about Tony V.'s accomplishments. But that only takes 5-10 seconds. THEN WHAT??

Anybody's who's worked phone banks knows there's the script that lasts the first 20 seconds, THEN there's the REAL sales, where you pour out your heart to people and REALLY tell them why the other guy sucks.

All those RABID ADV-lovers just like the Hahn-haters here and NONE of them are telling nasty stories on Jimmy... RIGHT?


May 15, 2005 7:25 PM  

Blogger Halogirlfromcity said:

The way I heard it on Friday was that folks are backing AV inspite of saying otherwise to Hahn campaigners. Tuesday night, it's all about a big celebration. Less than 48 hours and AV still has a lead. The anti-AV folks can continue to blog. I wouldn't doubt it if the Anon at the wee hours of the morning is the one and only Sac nighties. A lot of similarities in some of the anon postings, similar style. Come out come out, Miz Sac Nighties.

May 15, 2005 7:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who'd you hear that from Halogirl? I've been coming on this blog for the last 4 months and you got my vote for most ignorant posts. You're proably just another one of Tony's whores - don't give up your place in line, I'm sure he'll get around to you soon. The way I heard it on Friday is that Tony will nail anything that walks, so you still have a chance.

Now tell me, who is more prone to lying, longtime Hahn supprters - five citywide wins and counting - or fake Tony supporters who have been bullied, threatened, lied to and just plain abused by rabid Tony hacks desperately trying to get another vote for their slipping and sliding candidate. I'll be waiting for your post Wednesday morning as you are eating crow for breakfast.

May 15, 2005 7:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To all Tony Lovers/Truth Haters - if all of your posts are credible, why is Tony shaking in his $500 loafers. Have you ever seen a more scared candidate. Boy, that confidence is sure oozing out of him, I can see how it just flows down to you guys and translates into your boasts on this blog. Why is he so afraid? Has Mayor Yahn scared him to sleep. Is Mayor Poopy the reason Tony is shitting in his pants. Have Kam and Bill corrupted Tony's thought process. Ask yourself, who has the momentum right now - a candidate sticking to his message with mayoral confidence or the challenger squirming at the sight of every camera and microphone. You've got to admit it, I bet you guys wish Tony could be coming across the way Hahn is now. Hahn 52 - Tony 48 - oh no, Halogirl will now think I am Sac Nighties. BTW Sac Nighties, now that the election is almost over, why the chosen name?

May 15, 2005 7:55 PM  

Blogger Halogirlfromcity said:

You actually have it all wrong anal anon. That's not my thing. Don't even live in city, just work for city. I've been reading this blog since the beginning. I just don't post because most of the posters are idiot Hahn lovers who try to manipulate via this site. Your reply is evident of that. Go back to the irrelevant phone banks and make those calls. Maybe there's someone out there that won't hang up. And no, by your post it's obvious your shaking in your own boots. Keep'em on because the room's getting thick of your bullsh.t

Antonio appeared calmed and relax, unlike the sinister looking Yahn. He hasn't lost a race because he continues to ride on his dad's coat tails. It won't work this time. Less than 48 we'll know. Then we can all come back and talk sh.t to each other.

May 15, 2005 8:06 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Halo Girl, since you haven't been proven correct once in months of blogging, I doubt anyone's REAL concerned at Hahn central.

You are, after all, a (self-admitted) "civil servant."

End of THAT Story!

I've been here, even when the news was bad for Hahn (because I'm just ANTI-Attention Deficit Villaraigosa). AND I've seen first hand that when there's NO good news for ADV® lovers, they disappear out the back door of the blog, just like their hero did in front of TV cameras yesterday (and several times in the past weeks).

But for the record, here's what I hear (it may sound somewhat familiar, but with more correct grammar):

"The way EYE heard it... folks are staying home despite saying otherwise to ADV® campaigners. Unfortunately for ADV®, from the sound of his blog bunch, here -- many have already started celebrating.

That's VERY good! They've certainly been gloating a lot over a candidate who has NEVER won a citywide race in Los Angeles.

More than 48 hours to go (until the results are known) and no one REALLY knows who has a lead, do they? You're all just hanging desperately on a 8-10 day old Times poll, during the week when MORE things change, than stay the same.

And really, being ahead ONLY counts if you can hold out.

ADV® never has.

Hahn, 52, ADV® 48 (far more than his job performance deserves).

May 15, 2005 8:12 PM  

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May 15, 2005 8:16 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

And you can't even VOTE for ADV®?!

Now that's delicious irony. More and more people that don't live in L.A. keep saying to me, or I read them say: "I would vote for ADV®, but I don't live in L.A." (which explains their poor judgement in this instance). AND, more and more people I talk to in CD14 are also telling me, "I've voted for ADV® twice - 2001 and 2003, but not this time. He's been bad for the district."

Enjoy the irony. ADV® doesn't!

His demeanor in front of media cameras show he's not handling this week well. His "reviews" everywere say he has no steam. Even among media that supports him, there's a universal "what happened to the guy who ran in 2001?"

He's having to denounce his OWN core beliefs and explain away what he really stands for -- because no one would let that person win as L.A. mayor. And that's making his visibly ill.

May 15, 2005 8:22 PM  

Blogger Halogirlfromcity said:

So Sac Nighties...Are you a Miz or a Mr? You sound like an ex girl friend who got burned. No one would waste their time on so much hatred as a person that's been scorned. Is that you? The scorned one or are you just pretending to be anti-ADV and really one of those inadequate/arrogant staff folks from room 300?

May 15, 2005 8:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just hope coolaid is not being served at the Hahn defeat party - I'm afraid too many who post here would partake.

May 15, 2005 8:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Funny how the ADV lovers have the nerve to complain and whine about attacking Antonio. Pleaseeeee! Antonio came out of the gate with an 18 point lead and started airing his attack ads first against Hahn. He repeadtely stated "this is the most investigated admin. etc.etc. Well, it didn't work because Hahn moved up in the polls. Now Antonio and his camp are trying to use everything they can in a last ditch effort to save his ass. Antonio has NEVER talked about his city council record and Gregory Rodriguez says it best in today's LA Times. Everyone has been afraid to ask Antonio why he didn't pass the bar 4 times. That in itself is a big red flag. Antonio looks finished. All the local media reported tonight he's dodging answering the child abuse questions. They're also reporting this race is neck and neck. It was Antonio's to win but then of course he had no clue how to hold on to it and will lose it.

May 15, 2005 10:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hi Halo girl...,
I don't know about Mr. or Ms. SacramentoNighties, but he is one of the very few on this blog site who makes some sense. You, on the other hand, should pose the question about hatred to Mayor Sam's Sister City moderators, such as Mayor Sam, chief Parker, etc... They have prolonged and instigated this type of catfight to watch for many many months now. Athena is another, but Athena has already been confirmed to be Parke Skelton. Ace, Nathan, Jennie all blog here. Do you really think they would just sit down and take some of the abuse, true or not? To clarify your mind just turn off your computer, or read the reality of what your lovable candidate really is. Jennie is very protective of AV, and for someone like myself that was in the close circle of trust at one point, you should know the AV staff is vengeful.

May 15, 2005 10:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the person who referred everyone to this site, also tell them to boycott L.A.TIMES for the biased reporting.


May 15, 2005 10:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Here's my guess for the results:

AV = 53 - 55 %
JH = 45 - 47 %
Turnout = 28 - 32%

I know that Sac Nighties has stated his predictions, so how about the rest of you? No stories or bullshit rumors, just a plain guess of what you think it will be.

May 16, 2005 1:35 AM  

Blogger Phil Krakover said:

Inasmuch as I have the advantage of being dead and can see into the future, it is not fair for me to guess, but I can tell you what the actual percentage will be:

Villaraigosa 56.2%

Hahn 43.8%

No one has asked, but the 11th Council Distict has turned into a very close race. The result of that one will be:

Krisiloff 50.3%

Rosendahl 49.7%

It has been fun visiting you fools. It is too bad that Jimmy Hahn could never figure out how to be Kenny Hahn.

I'm going back now to console Kenny; he's been trying to let Jimmy know but Jimmy doesn't listen to him, either.

May 16, 2005 3:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Pphil Bendover,

"Jimmy could never figure out how to be Kenny?"

You were around, how many citywide elections did Kenny win - none, Jimmy is going on his 6th, and against much tougher competition. I think that is outdoing the old man, don't you.

May 16, 2005 7:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LA TimeS....Gregory Rodriguez...During this campaign, many political writers seemed to have taken South's appeal one step further and avoided any questions related to Villaraigosa's character. Is it racist to mention that Villaraigosa flunked the bar exam four times? Is it racist to look into his personal life for character clues? And what about this campaign's version of the Vignali spot — last week's TV ad on Villaraigosa's lone "no" vote in the state Assembly on a bill that upped the penalty for fatally beating a child under 8? Does that play into fears of Latino criminals? Or does it reveal something significant about the candidate's character?

It's ironic that a Mexican American politician who would have been slammed for his skin color in yesterday's campaigns is today protected by it

May 16, 2005 7:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tony has always used his skin color to take adavantage of any situation.

He used it to get that high school teacher to pay for his tests, he used it to get into UCLA, he used it to get into People's College of Law - a lot of good that did, he used it to get those easy liberal Jewish and white girls once the Eastside started taking him to court, he used it to rally the troops when he ran against white Bill Mabe in 1994, he used it to get the Speakership when Miguel hammered it into every democratic member of the Assembly, he used it to play the victim when Vignali surfaced, he used it to get Parke to fall in love with him, he used it to shield himself from any sexual assault allegations, he has used it for everything that has benefited him and him only.

The only thing Tony hasn't used his skin color for is the adavancement of his own people - look at these numbers that haven't changed since Tony started his public service crusade:

high school drop out rate 50%+
home ownership rates 15 -20%
crime rates- rising steadily
single mother households - rising steadily
households on public assistance - 40% and rising

Tony hasn't succeeded in anything other than fooling some Jews and fundraisers.

May 16, 2005 7:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Volunteer with the Hahn Campaign:

5518 Wilshire Blvd.

Los Angeles, CA 90036

We'd love to see you!

May 16, 2005 7:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The previous poster is obviously an ADV lover. Hahn supporters wouldn't post this type of stuff but ADV loves have.

L.A. Daily News on-line poll results from Friday, May 13th:

Would you like to see Mayor James Hahn re-elected?
Yes - 63%
No - 37%

May 16, 2005 8:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


After the Mayor has his ass handed to him on Tuesday, there is one more very deserved piece of humiliation waiting for him: THE NFL IS COMING BACK TO L.A.!!!!

And to no one's surprise, Hahn had absolutely nothing to do with it. But, the supposedly inept, heavy-handed and "Bitter" former Chief had everything to do with it. Pay back is a bitch! Enjoy your time off, Jimmy!

Take a peek at this excerpt from T.J. Simers column:

THIS YEAR is going to be really annoying, the NFL and L.A. haggling over term sheets, setting deadlines and then extending them, making it a boring replay of L.A.'s last attempt to secure a team — only this time it's a done deal.

The NFL will return to the Coliseum, a brand-spanking new Coliseum with all the bells and whistles designed to run up the price of tickets. The city of L.A., meanwhile, is not projected to pay anything in public money.

The look on the collective faces of NFL owners when they sign that check to build a new stadium in L.A. — the thought crossing Georgia's mind that could mean one fewer shopping trip — will be priceless too.

"Not even for infrastructure or hidden costs somewhere?" I asked Coliseum GM Pat Lynch, the point man in negotiations with the NFL.

"Nothing," Lynch said. "None of the plans we're making have anything for free. Some cities have waived some things, but the NFL pays for everything here."

The Rose Bowl, Carson and Anaheim are making pitches for NFL attention. All a waste of time. Anaheim, which will still be used by the Chargers to get a deal in San Diego, hired USC professor David Carter to study all the sites and pick a winner.

(Three years ago Carter was quoted in The Times, talking about a similar survey paid for the NFL and conducted by Max Muhleman, the best in the business, saying, "(Muhleman) is a reputable firm, but you look at who's paying for the study and the results are not that surprising.")

Carter chose Anaheim as the winner, but then if you look at who's paying for the study and the results are not surprising.

May 16, 2005 8:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey all you Tony Lovers/Truth Haters out there, if it is true that Tony has already answered that child abuse question, "time and again" as he tells evry reporter, then why is it still being asked? And this isn't just one reporter on a vendetta, but every freaking reporter out there from every station. Tony is coming across as slimy as he really is and those anger glares are just making people laugh - you know, like when a chihuahua nips at your heels. Try this for a comeback Tony, "Yo quiero Taco Bell"

May 16, 2005 8:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Says Bob Hertzberg: "I don't believe the polls. I am very concerned. There's not enough energy in the election

May 16, 2005 8:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah 8:16 ANON

Yeah, an NFL franchise is what L.A. really needs. Since the Raiders and Rams left two new soccer franchises, an arena footbal franchise, a new look home baseball team and even the team in Anaheim adopting the L.A. name have emerged. Wow, we really miss the NFL. This is just some macho cops wet dream. Ask Bitter Bernie how many of those kids he coached in Pop Warner are in jail or dead already.

May 16, 2005 8:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CNS...Villaraigosa said he voted for a stronger bill, but the Los Angeles Times today reported that legal experts say the other bill was actually weaker.....Hahn seized on that, having a deputy district attorney repeat the claim.

"The bill that was passed, which was the Tyler Jaiger Act, was specifically designed protect our children," Deputy District Attorney Frank Tavelman of the Association of Deputy District Attorneys said. "To say that the other bill would have done the same thing is completely disingenuous."

He said the law that Villaraigosa voted for would have required prosecutors to show either intent to kill or a conscious disregard for the safety of the child.

"Say that as former president of the ACLU, (Villaraigosa) didn't believe in these kind of tough determinate sentencing laws," Hahn said at a campaign stop. "That you wanted to have the judge have complete discretion, because we know that's how you felt. But tell us why you voted against a bill that toughened penalties against child abusers who kill. That's what we want to know."

His campaign also sent a flurry of mass e-mails, dissecting each response Villaraigosa has given and characterizing him as a "flip-flopper."

Villaraigosa is airing campaign commercials saying he voted for a stronger bill and that Hahn's charges are more examples of negative campaigning.

When reporters tried to question Villaraigosa about The Times story at a campaign stop at a restaurant, he told them he was going to the bathroom and slipped out the back door.

James said Villaraigosa did not duck questions from reporters, but had to get to another event.

May 16, 2005 8:30 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'll take that as an agreement that Hahn had nothing to do with it.

Let me ask you this, genius: have the two soccer teams, the arena football team and the Angels generated any real money for the city?

May 16, 2005 8:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Let's see, genius, the Raiders stuck the city of Irwindale with a 10 million dollar bill, just for being considered. The Rams left to St. Louis for a $300 miilion bribe, and you think and NFL franchise would just waltz in here without public money. You must be part of Bitter Bernie's wet dreams.

The city of Carson got a new stadium and plenty of revenue from those two soccer franchises, not to mention the drawing power of those internatinal matches. As for the City of L.A., if not revenue, definitely civic pride - especially in the Latino community.

But for macho cops like Bitter Bernie there is only one sport - me like football! Just another way of compensating for something - you know what I mean. What's more worthy of accolades, a new NFL franchise or a new Chief of Police who actually has brought down crime? Get with it, football isn't that big of a deal. If it was, L.A. wouldn't have been without a team for this long. I'm glad Hahn has nothing to do with it. Winning this election is all about setting priorities - watch what happens on Tuesday - you can grab your pom poms while Hahn streaks into the end zone with Tony nipping at his heels.

May 16, 2005 8:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Speaking about Bitter Bernie, why has he disappeared from Tony's campaign. I saw Mad Maxine at the church events, but no sign of Bitter Bernie. Could it be that he has turned out to be an albatross around Tony's neck. Gee, I wonder what that endorsement cost, and then you throw him in the closet just like a prom dress. Hey Tony, did Bitter Bernie at least put out?

May 16, 2005 8:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You need to check your facts. There is no public money involved. And, your lack of knowledge highlights my point.
While Carson has benifitted from soccer. What has L.A. gotten out of it? Without a football team, the city has not been able to capitalize on revenue that other smaller market cities have. Even Tennesse has a team for Pete's sake!! But, I guess that goes along with the Hahn philosophy of downtalking any thing that he's not associated with. Just like he did with all those endorsements that weren't supposed to matter. For you to even suggest that L.A. is better without a football team shows how desperate all the Hahn supporters are. It's funny. I thought that Hahn's saying was: "Hahn gets things done". Maybe he would have gotten around to the NFL, if he wasn't distracted by all that grand jury testimony.

May 16, 2005 8:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anyone surprised that prosecutors want legislation that does not require them to proved "intentionality" or even "reckless-disregard" to get a life sentence?

Is that the job of the state legislature, to rubber stamp whatever prosecutors want?

Is this the policy we want? Life sentences for idiot parents whose child dies because they read on the Internet somewhere that vaccinations cause autism?

People who murder children have been -- and are -- prosecuted for murder. Just like the drug addicted boyfriend of Karey Jaeger. He was convicted of 2nd degree murder (intentional, but not premditated). Villaraigosa voted to increase penalties for 2nd degree murder from 15 to life to 25-to life.

May 16, 2005 8:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

For you to mention that L.A. needs an NFL team goes to show how desperate you are to prove your manhood. Tennessee? Get real. The only thing going on there was Graceland and the Fed Ex hub. This is not Tennessee. Getting and NFL team here was never on Hahn's priority list. I think remaking the airport will garner much more revenue than the drain of an NFL franchise. Why don't you get your facts straight and look to see how many municipalities have been duped by multi-billionaire owners looking to show off their newest toys. If you want and NFL franchise so bad, San Diego is not that far away, go ahed and take a hike.

May 16, 2005 9:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Again, a word to Hahn supporters: Just because you are desperate to believe it, doesn't mean it's so. Parks has been prominently featured with Villaraigosa since the announcement of his endorsement. A new poll shows AV up by 15. Read from the Times below.

On Sunday, Parks campaigned at the challenger's side. Apart from that symbolic reminder, however, Villaraigosa largely ignored his opponent.

Villaraigosa cast his campaign as an achievement of the civil rights
movement and vowed, like Bradley, to be a mayor for all. "Right now, we need a bridge. We need dialogue," he told worshipers at the First AME Church, where Villaraigosa vowed to be "a mayor for African Americans, Latinos, whites and Asians."

At every church stop, Villaraigosa closed with an appeal to worshipers: "I ask you for your prayers. I don't ask for prayers for victory. I'm calling God directly on that one. I do ask for your prayers to lead because … this is a city with many, many challenges."

May 16, 2005 9:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

8:59 ANON states:

"Is this the policy we want? Life sentences for idiot parents whose child dies because they read on the Internet somewhere that vaccinations cause autism?"

What does this have to do with the Tyler Jaeger Bill? You make about as much sense as Tony does on T.V.. If your rationale were this simple, why isn't Tony using it. Bottom line, Tony wanted to prove to his Leftist Jewish groupies just how radical he could be - well now it's biting him in the ass, isn't it?

May 16, 2005 9:08 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:04 ANON states:

"At every church stop, Villaraigosa closed with an appeal to worshipers: "I ask you for your prayers. I don't ask for prayers for victory. I'm calling God directly on that one. I do ask for your prayers to lead because … this is a city with many, many challenges."

Yeah, that will get my vote. What a crock of shit, and you guys fall for it. Given Tony's character, history and principles - do you think God is listening.

May 16, 2005 9:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:04 a.m.

YES, someone was incorrect - Parks HAS been prominent - and the more he appears, the lower ADV's percentage of African American votes gets.

The reason is simple. Even though people in that community were unhappy to have a prominent African American unseated, Hahn's decision has been vindicated. Their community is ALSO safer since Bratton replaced Parks. It stung when it happened, but the embarrassment of that situation has been savved by the lower crime rates and Hahn's ongoing support in dealing even-handedly with racially charged LAPD incidents.

They've also seen that, like the man he endorses, Parks isn't exactly turning his district into a paradise as a city councilman, either. So, after two years, the rational minds are saying, "maybe THIS is why Hahn canned him - maybe he isn't that great a leader either."

And now he's telling them to vote for ANOTHER lackluster councilmember.

It begins to add up. The occasional symbolic "feat" isn't worth the regular neglect. Parks and ADV are two of a kind -- no REGULAR service to constituents, but the occasional showy, "guilt" gift to make up for months of ignoring the district's needs.

(One probably purchased at a hotel gift shop?)

May 16, 2005 9:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Isn't Bitter Bernie one of those fake cops on Tony's commercials?

May 16, 2005 9:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymous : 8:59 AM

Your sick.

May 16, 2005 9:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Amen, ADV voted on a dead-ended bill, just for SHOW, just like everything he's done since leaving the Assembly.

Smoke and mirrors. . .

"unto the least of these.."

May 16, 2005 9:43 AM  

Blogger Phil Krakover said:

To the doofus that posted this message:

"Jimmy could never figure out how to be Kenny?"

You were around, how many citywide elections did Kenny win - none, Jimmy is going on his 6th, and against much tougher competition. I think that is outdoing the old man, don't you.

No, Kenny won many more Council races and then Supervisoral Races. The City of LA, or most of it,was always in his district. At least the part that Jimmy desperately nees was in it.

The man was loved and idolized by millions; Jimmy is not.

He has never been the equal of Kenny Hahn. Few have.

Apparently, he never will be, either.


May 16, 2005 11:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That's too bad, Phil; because Antonio is the SPITTING IMAGE of how he portrays his abusive, deadbeat, misogynistic daddy-gone-bye-bye.

OOPS, there HE goes again...

May 16, 2005 12:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It was never Parks' job to get AV a majority of the black vote. It was his job to ensure didn't have a cake walk that he did last time with nearly 80% of the area. Just like in 2001, Hahn needs a landslide in that area to win. And, Parks has made sure that won't happen.

Secondly, in terms of accomplishments, Parks has done more in two years as a Councilman than Hahn has done in four years as Mayor. Hahn's decision to oust Parks has never been vindicated. In fact, if he loses, it will be the one thing that will stand out as quite frankly the dumbest decision of all time. Even Kam Kuwata mentioned that in a recent Times article.

Also, crime is not down in South L.A. Parks' standing there has never been stronger.

May 16, 2005 5:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is drivel, Phil-anon, but well constructed drivel.

Too bad no one will ever read it!



May 16, 2005 9:20 PM  

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