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Friday, March 18, 2005

FORGERY!

Jewish Journal CoverToday the Jewish Journal published an earth shattering story on the Hahn campaign forging prominent Jewish community members for the Hahn reelect campaign.

This is wrong, unethical and blatantly illegal.

But not new for Jim Hahn.

Hahn's whole campaign has been based on unethical practices, ethic fines and grand jury investigations.

The only problem I have with this story regarding the Hahn campaign is that they are placing blame on Joe Klein. A man that survived the Holocaust, survived the Nazi's, survived death at every turn to only forge signatures for the Hahn campaign.

This is perhaps the saddest claim the Hahn campaign has made to date. Nevermind that this mayor has done nothing, he now claims when something is done, its done by dead honorable people.

Yes let's reelect this guy.

35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oy Vey. A bunch of right wing jews, among them Rabbi Weil of Death Jacob wanted hertzberg, that paragon of judaicness to win. He did not, so now, having burned a ton of political capital and hahn basically telling them, take a leap, they unleash this "earthshattering" event. Give me a break

they endorsed hahn in 2001. hertzberg, mr step on the valley jewish community with a busway laced with arsenic, got some jews to endorse.

if you think the neocon cult is gonna endorse ADV, you must have better 420 than i do, and i have the best in the city.

March 18, 2005 2:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ok Mayor Sam did MEAT send this to you. Its really sad how you constantly condemn prosecute and everything else Hahn before even finding out exactly what happened. Why in the hell don't YOU EVER POST STUFF ON IDIOT VILLARAIGOSA. He lied about those 80 neighborhood watches that he's now saying "about a dozen," he took money from 2 of his neighborhood councils knowing he was sitting on over $300,000, ADV has done NOTHING in CD14 so he has to rely on his assembly record. He's using COUNTY people all the time claiming they are from the community, he's an absentee councilman, he filed for 2006 already and yet you endorse and stand behind that loser...Amazing!!!

March 18, 2005 2:58 PM  

Blogger Athena said:

Here is some more information on this story:

At a press conference today, Klein's brother in law said they had started calling through the list of Hahn "endorsers" and found about 30% of them had not given permission for their names to be used.

And Hahn ran this advertisement twice - once after they had been told that the list included forged names.

Instead of just admitting a mistake and apologizing, Hahn keeps making the story worse and worse. Didn't they learn anything from Fleishman about damage control?

March 18, 2005 3:17 PM  

Blogger Chief Parker said:

To the above poster. I am going to assume everything you said is true. (for a second)

Antonio still created neighborhood watches whatever the number -- better than having the FBI investigate you.

Antonio took money from neighborhood councils - I am sure that they approved the expenditure since it's their money. How is that a bad thing, better than getting laundered money from Fitzgerald i suppose.

If he's done nothing, why is everyone talking about his work on the MTA strike and the Gold Line.

As for using county people and calling them the community, aren't we all county people? Last time i checked i live within the county as well.

And i checked into the 2006 account, there is no other name he can name it, in fact in 2007 the account will be renamed 2008. Nothing there, which is why we didn't post anything on it.

I personally don't believe you, but even if i did, there's no credence to your arguement.

Everything you posted is sour grapes and nothing a real journalist would ever report on. Antonio is better than Hahn.

End of story.

March 18, 2005 3:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio took money from Fleishman Hillard and yet has the audacity to attack Hahn
Antonio took that money from neighborhood councils by LYING TO THEM SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY
Antonio took money from ENRON
Antonio took money from a convicted drug dealer and wrote a letter to pardon him
Antonio takes credit for the strike when in fact Ludlow and Hahn had more to do with it.
Antonio has over 13 homicides in his district and has not SAID ONE WORD ABOUT THEM
Antonio is the biggest sexual harrasser of women in this city. He constantly without permission grabs, kisses and hugs women who do not like his advances.
Antonio missed over 60 days last year campaigning for Kerry and now is never doing his job as councilman cause he's in other parts of the city campaigning for mayor. His city staff is helping on his campaign paid for by our tax dollars etc. etc.

March 18, 2005 3:47 PM  

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March 18, 2005 4:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All anyone has to do is compare Hahn's record and Attention Deficit Villaraigosa's record. There will be no doubt that Hahn definitely is the best choice. Antonio has nothing in comparison because he hasn't been around. Please remember Antonio is for illegal immigrants, supports and fights hard to support his gang bangers and not allow anyone including Rocky who loves gang injunctions to harm them, has said he will HIRE A LATINO CHIEF (just try) Antonio is behaving exactly like he did in 2001 when he lost. Arrogant, egotistical, above his own people. Keep it up Tony, you're going to lose again

March 18, 2005 4:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ok here's one for you. Someone sent this to me and said that Antonio used his STATE campaign finances to pay for his mayoral tv ads. But we really don't know if that is legal to do or not or even true . Interesting he would pay $512,000 then an additional $25,000 to another company. Can anyone figure out?
CITIZENS FOR MORE POLICE IN OUR COMM., YES ON A TRANSFER BETWEEN COMMITTEES OF THE SAME cANDIDATE/SPONSOR $512,301.17
DOAK, CARRIER, O'DONNELL & ASSOCIATES CONTRIBUTION /TEL CITIZENS FOR MORE POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, YES ON A $25,000.00

March 18, 2005 5:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You all must be illiterate...read the post. How about a little Hahn bashing for once. This happens to be either the most corrupt Mayor in the City's history or the most incompotent. Your choice.

Clearly his campaign is leaning toward desperation in seeking the endorsements of key leaders in LA. He may have labor and others, but what good did it do Villaraigosa last time. It's up to the voters and they don't want Hahn. So either they vote for Villaraigosa or stay at home like the rest of you who complain.

March 18, 2005 5:55 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

"If he's done nothing, why is everyone talking about his work on the MTA strike and the Gold Line.'

It's precisely because ADV has done next to nothing for his district in nearly two years (the job he campaigned for and won based on false promises), that his campaign people keep pointing to other, older, non CD14-specific things. It's called a diversion, distraction, or sleight of hand, if you will. The magician wants you "look over there" while he pretends he doing something magical. But it's all a ruse, a deception, a "lie?"

The MTA strike ended nearly 16 months ago (November 2003); the Gold Line officially opened the same month ADV joined city council (July 2003), 20 months ago. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that settling the MTA strike all by himself (and celebrating the opening of the Gold Line that previous July?) consumed the first six months of his tenure as a coucilmember, doesn't it seem like he might have had SOME time in either 2004 or 2005 to dedicate to CD14 -- his actual job? (Or has he simply been posturing for the mayor's job for the past two years while accepting the salary for another job -- one not getting done -- representing a district that seldom sees his face, except on TV). To paraphrase a recent post -- he's either corrupt (taking money for a job he's not performing), or incompetent (getting nothing done in that job in two years).

Where you work, is your annual review based on things you did 2 years ago? Can you get a raise or promotion based on accomplishments from 2003, or even 1999? That's what ADV is asking.

March 18, 2005 6:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CHIEF PARKER, someone posted this on another thread but I think it belongs here. By the way, did Tony kiss you before he f....ed you?
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Chief: Jim Hahn has shown he can do one thing, and one thing only, cut deals that harm this city, harm you and destroy neighborhoods. LAX should not be expanded, we need more than 25 intersections a year, we need a vision mr mayor. You weren't my first choice 4 years ago, and I'll be buried again before I vote for you this time.

Indian: Jim Hahn gives the unions everything they want for their members, working families of Los Angeles and he’s a deal cutter. Antonio fights (and sometimes delivers) for the union and he’s a “warrior” for the unions. Hahn is for working families as much as Villaraigosa, don't forget they are both Dems.

Chief: I am white, I am conservative but more importantly I am smart. This old law and order guy wants a mayor who is going to roll up his sleeves and tackle the tough problems this city has, smartly.

Indian: If you are looking for smarts, then you might want to go with the one that at least passed the California State Bar after graduating from Law School > Jim Hahn. Antonio failed four times.

Chief: I want a mayor that will try to hit a home run for this city every chance he gets, a mayor that can see the big picture while focusing on the small stuff too.

Indian: Antonio is always trying to hit home runs -- without a bat and he definitely believes he’s above the “small stuff”.

Chief: A mayor that will fill my potholes and build a subway. A mayor that will speak to our failing education system while encouraging our students to improve. Rhetoric is one thing, real life experience is another.

Indian: Antonio was part of the Chicano movement and an organizer for UTLA (the teacher’s union) and yet the dropout rates in his backyard, East LA, have stayed the same since he has tried to bring leadership to this issue for the last 20 years. Talk about rhetoric outshining results.

Chief: We are a city paralyzed by scandal, Jim Hahn has turned his good daddy's name into a symbol of corruption and unethical standards.

Indian: We are not paralyzed by scandal, not a single person in City Hall is spending a significant amount of time on the “scandal.” Corruption has not been proven in City Hall or against Jim Hahn. If Jim Hahn were black/brown and in a gang Antonio’s ACLU roots would kick in and defend him until his due process rights were finished and he was found guilty of a crime, until then he would argue that you lay off the guy. But since he’s neither a minority nor a gang member Antonio abandons his civil rights roots for political expediency: True principles there on Antonio’s parts.


Chief: I want Antonio Villaraigosa.

Indian: I want someone who tells the truth and doesn’t take credit for other people’s work.

Chief: I want him because he revived the Gold Line.

Indian: Antonio, himself, on Channel 5 said it was a group effort.

Chief: I want him because he revived the city's art budget when Hahn was trying to cut it.

Indian: Point for Antonio.

Chief: I want him because he created the largest open space in the Eastside.

Indian: On Channel 5 he lied and called the grant money an acquisition. The DWP property was protected from development prior to Antonio getting into office.

Chief: I want him because he ended the MTA strike, that paralyzed this city.

Indian: Point for Antonio.

Chief: I want him because he opposed Ahmanson, Playa Vista and LAX. Which by the way were all major priorities of the city's unions.

Indian: Hahn was a “warrior” for the unions and Antonio pandered to the opposition once he knew the unions were going for Hahn.


Chief: I want him because he helped little kids get health insurance.

Indian: Sen. Martha Escutia went on the record with the LA Times and laid out Antonio for stealing this legislation from her and taking credit for her work.

Chief: I want him because he gave us more open space, more school construction, more of the things that make city's work.

Indian: "Antonioesque" vague statement. Sounds pretty, though.

Chief: This guy is a tough can do leader and this old chief wants him.

Indian: This guy has been Chair of the Transportation Committee since he’s been on the council and traffic hasn’t improved.

Chief: Jim Hahn is going to try to say false and misleading things about Antonio - they are not true.

Indian: Here are some true things, then:

1. He represented himself as a family man when he first ran for Assembly in 1994 when in fact he was not, enough said on this.

2. He got elected to the Assembly by saying an Anglo, Bill Mabie, couldn’t represent the district and then endorses Jackie Goldberg to take that same seat.

3. The first Latino Speaker Bustamante passes the torch to Latino Villaraigosa and then Villaraigosa passes the torch to non-Latino Hertzberg over Cardenas.

4. He serves as Speaker and a number of legislators go on the record with the LA Times and talk about his stealing of their legislation.

5. He abuses his office as Speaker of the Assembly and writes a letter to President Clinton declaring a drug dealer innocent.

6. He does nothing as Speaker of the Assembly to support the bio-med park around USC that Gerry Hertzberg from Molina’s office is pushing and now he walks around talking about it as if it was his idea.

7. He loses the Mayor’s race in 2001 and works for the billionaire boys club (Broad and Burkle) and then he finds his motivation to support the bio-med park being pushed by Eli Broad.

8. He runs for City Council in 2003 and promises everyone he will not run for Mayor in 2005. Another broken vow and flip-flop from Villaraigosa.

9. During the 2003 campaign he shamelessly, and without a basis, attacks a CBO made up of mothers in ELA for political gain in that election.

10. As Councilmember he rips off the days of service concept from the prior Councilmember and walks around as if it was his idea.


Chief: Like Mayor Sam, I want Jimmy Hahn out, Antonio Villaraigosa is my choice and nothing you dum-dums say will change this old man's heart.

Indian: It’s sometimes hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

March 18, 2005 7:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow, that is some indictment Mayor Sam and Chief Parker. I think you owe it to us bloggers to counter the above post - if you can? If you leave it unanswered I think you will have to concede and change your endorsement! Blog away Dums-Dums - ooops sorry, Blog away Mayor Sam and Chief Parker.

March 18, 2005 9:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor "Travellin' Sam"(for the young, that was his nickname) and Chief Bull (also for the young), Bill Parker's nickname was "Bull"):

You have a fun site, but it is a little out of hand. May I suggest a few changes?

1. Get a spell check feature; some of the geniuses who know so much don't know how to spell, or don't know how to type.

2. Occasionally go through and eliminate the duplication; at least one idiot thinks you have to repeat a post ten times for us to get the message. Maybe that's true for some, but most of us can get it with one post.

3. I am unable to find the original ad in the Jewish Journal to which this post relates; can you put it online to see who is on it? I'll bet there are lots of others who haven't seen it that may be offended as well.

4. A message to the Hertzberg supporters: The primary is over. Bob lost. He ran a credible race, better than most thought he could or would. But, it's over. Now it is Antonio or Jimmy.

5. We are all disappointed in Jimmy. Face it, he is a limp wristed, ineffectual leader. He lets his minions run rampant without any control and then denies knowledge of everything. Just to name a few, Ted Stein, Leland Wong, Doug Dowie, Troy Edwards are all now dismissed and under some sort of a cloud of investigation. One of Dowie's guys has been indicted already. Jimmy claims he knows nothing about anything. The D.A. and the U.S. Attorney have a joint task force investigating his administration; this is unprecedented. Do we really want him for four more years of this?

6. Antonio is not perfect, nor does he claim to be. But he has energy and vigor and a view of Los Angeles that will move it forward. He understands issues like creation of wealth to create jobs and prosperity. I have seen it in Sacramento, and he will bring it here. His motto "If you don't create wealth, you can't help anyone" is sound. Antonio ran a sound Speakership and brought people together to work for the State of California. Jimmy has done nothing but overspend and then say he has no money for police.

I come down on the side of change; Antonio is the only hope we have now for the future. Jimmy is the past. He belongs with you guys and Mayor Tom.

March 19, 2005 7:10 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

But what has he done in CD14? Surely that is the test of his abilities to get things done in Los Angeles? And the answer is: Very little. First, he broke a major promise to the people of CD14. "I will not run for mayor in this cycle. "I will remain as a counclmember for a full 4 year term." The reason Villaraigosa gave for breaking his vow was because LA was in a grave crisis with the current mayor. And yet Hahn beat a formidable challenger, Hertzberg, and is in the runoff. The people of LA obviously didn't buy Villaraigosa's explanation. Neither did the almost 3000 registered voters in CD14. That's how many signatures the recall movement has collected so far. So, what does Villaraigosa claim he has done in 2 years representing the people of CD14. Originating Days of Service and setting up over 80 neighborhood watches, he touts. Did he originate days of service? Of course not. The previous councilmember, Nick Pacheco, did! Did Villaraigosa set up 80 odd neighborhood watches? Of course he didn't. The most any local crime watcher in CD14 can come up with is 14. Villaraigosa himself has dropped the 80 number and now refers to dozens. And what wealth has he created in CD14? The previous candidate had the idea of getting money solely for CD14 through recycling, based on what landfills have to pay throughout the city, to the amount of almost one million dollars per year. Villaraigosa has given $50,000 to Para Los Ninos. That's not much spreading, is it? And what about Moon Canyon? The previous councilmember, yes, Nick Pacheco, earmarks $550,000 to purchase a beautiful open space in Mount Washington from developers. Villaraigosa came into office and did - nothing! The price of the land has now gone up and Villaraigosa says he hasn't got the money to carry out the purchase - because Villaraigosa dropped the ball!!!! He should be sued for failing in his fiduciary responsibility. Villaraigosa is a unifier - everywhere except his own district. Read Mayor Sam about the split in the Boyle Heights NC. A pro Villaraigosa faction wants a coup against an anti Villaraigosa faction among the NC board members. Almost every community in CD14 is split between his supporters and those getting shafted by him. And what about Villaraigosa's staff. If you are from CD14 you may remember the pledge he made during the campaign about how his staff will be the best. They are, by common agreement, the absolute pits. Only if you are a friend of Villaraigosa will you get a call returned. And, hasn't Villaraigosa been the most MIA councilman since he won in 2003? 80 days out of the state campaigning for Kerry (and didn't more Latino's than ever vote for Bush!) and then out of the district all the time for his own camapign. Antonio Villaraigosa has been a disaster for CD14. And, finally, for you Villaraigosa supporters who can only answer criticism of him by making stupid one line comments about Nick Pacheco I say this: "I for one, and it seems the list is growing, am profoundly sorry that I voted for Villaraigosa in 2003. It was the biggest mistake I made with a vote in nearly 30 years. It really is all sizzle with Villaraigosa. I have seen it first hand now. I don't need to be told what he did in Sacramento.

March 19, 2005 9:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Once again, an overwrought attempt to turn someone's obvious mistake into another claim of "rampant corruption" -- you're crying wolf, and people are going to stop listening. If Hahn's people had any idea these were old names, and the owners were going another direction, they would obviously have deleted them. They had many others, and removing a 8, 10, 12 of them wouldn't have meant a great deal to the campaign.

From a blog where every "news" item has 15 typos, you would think there would be a bit more understanding that human's make misteaks! Not everything is a "plot" to deceive.

March 19, 2005 3:13 PM  

Blogger Athena said:

So, is Villaraigosa taking the Democratic Party endorsement on Tuesday? He captured the endorsement panel recommendation on Saturday. If this happens, I think we can all agree that it will be a major victory for him -- potentially eliminating Hahn's current IE disequilibrium.

March 20, 2005 5:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Major victory my ass. He got that endorsement in 2001 and STILL LOST. He's going to need more then their endorsement to take it

March 20, 2005 6:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Attacking Villaraigosa seems to come really naturally to lots of people here, but the title of the thread isn't: "ADV is neglecting CD14!" The title of the thread is "Forgery!" Did Hahn's campaign produce forged endorsement cards, or didn't it? If not, how did all this happen?

I'm genuinely undecided, myself, as to how I'm gonna cast my vote. If any Hahn supporter here is at all interested in persuading an undecided voter, could you please actually address this allegation? 'Cause just firing off unrelated counter-slams about illegal immigration (or sexual-harrassment) (or whatever) ain't gonna cut it for me.

Thanks,

Patrick Meighan
Venice, CA

March 20, 2005 6:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick,

There is no telling who is who?

The people posting on here could be pro v posing as anti v or vice versa.

I am on here for entertainment purposes . I take what is said with a grain of salt and then check the links and other sources to see if what was said true or not.

So by posting what you did may make the pro v forces atart posting tons of anti v smut. Or is it really you that just posted?

March 20, 2005 7:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick:

Good for you. At last a voice of some reason.

The bloggers here who support Hahn seem to think that calling names like "Attention Deficit Villaraigosa" and similar disparaging remarks will win this election. I think they are wrong, and their filibustering style with long blogs repeated time after time do nothing but turn me and others off.

I began this election leaning to toward Antonio, but the anti- Antonio junk that I read is similar to what Hahn did in the last election.

But it isn't about four years ago -it is about the last four years and the next four years.

Not one person can point to the last four and sell us on Jimmy, basing it on what a great job he did. That's because the city stalled out and went downward.

Why are the union leaders supporting Jimmy? Because he has given them the keys to the city.

No lobbyists allowed on Boards or Commissions, but it doesn't stop Miguel Contreras from serving on the Airport Commission or his wife, Maria Elena Durazo from being on Rec's & Parks, does it?

Everywhere one looks, the unions have moved forward and tightened their death grip on our city. No large company wants to come here and all Fortune 500 companies that were located here have left. Why? Because we are the most business unfriendly major city in America.

Sorry Patrick, they cannot tell you anything positive about Hahn, because it just doesn't exist. He uses his daddy's name (James Kenneth Hahn) only when he runs for office, and is otherwise the stealth Mayor, and his flunkies have made themselves rich (Stein, Wong, Dowie, Edwards) and taken us down the road to bankruptcy.

Antonio Villaraigosa will be a breath of fresh air for Los Angeles, despite the Anti-HIspanic Mexicans who seem to filibuster us out on this website.

March 20, 2005 7:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

is that the only logic you can come up with?

do you really think that Antonio V is going to remove MIguel Contreras from the airport commission, or not cowtwo to teh UNions? SOoen lives in la la land.

These are two pro-union candidates wanting to be mayor. NOthing is going to change , if v gets in office , he will just have learned from JImmy how not to handle the new powers of the mayor afeter teh new city charter was adopted and how to avoid the new powers of LAura Chick.

Would you really want someone in office who was endoresed by the city controller :the person who is keeping the books? I smell somehting fishy in that scenario.

March 20, 2005 7:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick, While I don't believe you're actually "undecided" -- I'll bite and try to make the best comparison I can (based on the theme of this thread). If Hahn's people made a mistake and included leaders from the Jewish community who no longer supported him (switched to Hertzberg), that's a stupid error that needs to be corrected and he and his staff owe some apologies for it. Mistakes happen, but it's a silly game to suggest every error is a scandal, a FORGERY, or intentional deceipt.

But Villaraigosa DID intentionally mislead ALL of the people of his district for more than two years, He "FORGED" his oath of office when he said he would would serve that district. He LIED repeatedly, outright, about not running for mayor, LIED about his reasons from "changing his mind (also a LIE), LIED about his constituents support for that "change," LIED about things accomplished in those 2 years (nothing). LIES, LIES, LIES. How can you elect someone who cab't even tell the truth BEFORE getting into office.

How can you vote for someone who LIES constantly, thinking it will be a "breath of fresh air" and a "change" over an administration that some allege has been dishonest. How can you think it's a good "change" to swap out a mayor who HAS done some good things in four years -- even if not enough -- for a habitual LIER who has done NOTHING good in two years in the small portion of the city where it was his job to do SOMETHING (anything).

Even Villaraigosa's biggest supporters ave stopped trying to spin the last two years as ANYthing productive. They can't find ANY real evidence... they keep going back to things he did or started in 1999.

Villaraigosa has NO right to expect us to believe his current promises, or the oath of office as mayor, should he ever take that. He is un-believable, in the worst sense of the word. His intentional self-serving lies are far worse than any errors in judgement by Hahn in who he appointed or if he left them in office to long. Bad judgement if ever proven will always be less harmful to us than false promises (with no intention to keep them). And Villaraigosa's level of deceipt and pathological deceipt can only get bigger and worse as he moves up the political ladder.

Once we set partisan "wishing" asides, we can only, honestly rely on people's past performance to judge how they will work for us in the future.

Hahn has NOT been the best mayor in recent memory. But we can do and LOT worse (very soon if some delusional hero-worshipper's don't come to their senses).

BUT, Villaraigosa has been the WORST and most dishonest councilmember in his district in many, many years. (Since the last one who faced a recall and serious charges, Art Snyder (now one of Villaraigosa's biggest cheerleaders and a menor to him).

Nothing has improved in his district in 2 years, many things are worse. Elect him mayor, and things WILL get worse in L.A., and he'll be off to his next campaign before we know what hit us. It CAN get worse. Ineffective, inattentive, grandstanding absentee mayors like Villaragosa bankrupt city's like L.A., in one term.

March 20, 2005 8:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick, While I don't believe you're actually "undecided" -- I'll bite and try to make the best comparison I can (based on the theme of this thread). If Hahn's people made a mistake and included leaders from the Jewish community who no longer supported him (switched to Hertzberg), that's a stupid error that needs to be corrected and he and his staff owe some apologies for it. Mistakes happen, but it's a silly game to suggest every error is a scandal, a FORGERY, or intentional deceipt.

But Villaraigosa DID intentionally mislead ALL of the people of his district for more than two years, He "FORGED" his oath of office when he said he would would serve that district. He LIED repeatedly, outright, about not running for mayor, LIED about his reasons from "changing his mind (also a LIE), LIED about his constituents support for that "change," LIED about things accomplished in those 2 years (nothing). LIES, LIES, LIES. How can you elect someone who cab't even tell the truth BEFORE getting into office.

How can you vote for someone who LIES constantly, thinking it will be a "breath of fresh air" and a "change" over an administration that some allege has been dishonest. How can you think it's a good "change" to swap out a mayor who HAS done some good things in four years -- even if not enough -- for a habitual LIER who has done NOTHING good in two years in the small portion of the city where it was his job to do SOMETHING (anything).

Even Villaraigosa's biggest supporters ave stopped trying to spin the last two years as ANYthing productive. They can't find ANY real evidence... they keep going back to things he did or started in 1999.

Villaraigosa has NO right to expect us to believe his current promises, or the oath of office as mayor, should he ever take that. He is un-believable, in the worst sense of the word. His intentional self-serving lies are far worse than any errors in judgement by Hahn in who he appointed or if he left them in office to long. Bad judgement if ever proven will always be less harmful to us than false promises (with no intention to keep them). And Villaraigosa's level of deceipt and pathological deceipt can only get bigger and worse as he moves up the political ladder.

Once we set partisan "wishing" asides, we can only, honestly rely on people's past performance to judge how they will work for us in the future.

Hahn has NOT been the best mayor in recent memory. But we can do and LOT worse (very soon if some delusional hero-worshipper's don't come to their senses).

BUT, Villaraigosa has been the WORST and most dishonest councilmember in his district in many, many years. (Since the last one who faced a recall and serious charges, Art Snyder (now one of Villaraigosa's biggest cheerleaders and a menor to him).

Nothing has improved in his district in 2 years, many things are worse. Elect him mayor, and things WILL get worse in L.A., and he'll be off to his next campaign before we know what hit us. It CAN get worse. Ineffective, inattentive, grandstanding absentee mayors like Villaragosa bankrupt city's like L.A., in one term.

March 20, 2005 8:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick, While I don't believe you're actually "undecided" -- I'll bite and try to make the best comparison I can (based on the theme of this thread). If Hahn's people made a mistake and included leaders from the Jewish community who no longer supported him (switched to Hertzberg), that's a stupid error that needs to be corrected and he and his staff owe some apologies for it. Mistakes happen, but it's a silly game to suggest every error is a scandal, a FORGERY, or intentional deceipt.

But Villaraigosa DID intentionally mislead ALL of the people of his district for more than two years, He "FORGED" his oath of office when he said he would would serve that district. He LIED repeatedly, outright, about not running for mayor, LIED about his reasons from "changing his mind (also a LIE), LIED about his constituents support for that "change," LIED about things accomplished in those 2 years (nothing). LIES, LIES, LIES. How can you elect someone who cab't even tell the truth BEFORE getting into office.

How can you vote for someone who LIES constantly, thinking it will be a "breath of fresh air" and a "change" over an administration that some allege has been dishonest. How can you think it's a good "change" to swap out a mayor who HAS done some good things in four years -- even if not enough -- for a habitual LIER who has done NOTHING good in two years in the small portion of the city where it was his job to do SOMETHING (anything).

Even Villaraigosa's biggest supporters ave stopped trying to spin the last two years as ANYthing productive. They can't find ANY real evidence... they keep going back to things he did or started in 1999.

Villaraigosa has NO right to expect us to believe his current promises, or the oath of office as mayor, should he ever take that. He is un-believable, in the worst sense of the word. His intentional self-serving lies are far worse than any errors in judgement by Hahn in who he appointed or if he left them in office to long. Bad judgement if ever proven will always be less harmful to us than false promises (with no intention to keep them). And Villaraigosa's level of pathological deceipt can only get bigger and worse as he moves up the political ladder.

Once we set partisan "wishing" asides, we can only, honestly, rely on people's past performance to judge how they will work for us in the future.

Hahn has NOT been the best mayor in recent memory. But we can do and LOT worse (very soon if some delusional hero-worshipper's don't come to their senses).

BUT, Villaraigosa has been the WORST and most dishonest councilmember in his district in many, many years. (Since the last one who faced a recall and serious charges, Art Snyder (now one of Villaraigosa's biggest cheerleaders and a menor to him).

Nothing has improved in his district in 2 years, many things are worse. Elect him mayor, and things WILL get worse in L.A., and he'll be off to his next campaign before we know what hit us. It CAN get worse. Ineffective, inattentive, grandstanding absentee mayors like Villaragosa bankrupt city's like L.A., in one term.

March 20, 2005 8:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If you ADV supporters seek a "voice of reason," give some good "reasons" -- using facts (not warm fuzzy feelings) from his first two years as a city employee why he would be ANY better than the current mayor. Facts... not the lies posted on his website that his own staff can't find proof of to save them. People who oppose him on this blog have given MANY, many reasons why he would be worse, over and over again, based on two years of wasted district time. They're accused of "hate" for doing so. That's not a voice of reason.

March 20, 2005 8:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Patrick just compare the two records. Can you imagine what this city would be like if Bitter Bernie was still chief? We lost 1,000 officers and probably would have lost another 1,000. Hahn had the guts to get rid of him. Hahn has been at the forefront with public safety. We would have had 320 more officers right now on patrol because Hahn had it in his budget 2003-2004. You can thank the losers on city council who voted against giving them to us. We now have the best police chief in the nation. Can you imagine what it would be like if LA had split? Hahn kept it together. All Antonio can say is he had his community sweep streets and LIED about creating 80 neighborhood watches. MAyor SAM why haven't you posted that LIE? You never hear Antonio talking about them anymore and he's taken it off his website calling them "a dozen." Patrick if you really want to know how Antonio has done as a councilman all you have to do is take a ride into Boyle Heights. It is overrun with illegal vendors, clothes hanging in front of yards, traffic congestion, businesses that have been there for over 30 years going under and so on. Go and see for yourself then judge who you should vote for. No doubt it will be Hahn.

March 21, 2005 9:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This goes to the heart of Attention Deficit Villaraigosa. Anyone who can do this to his very close friend everyone should be leary of.

LAObserved.com......Hertzberg, once Villaraigosa’s roommate in Sacramento, succeeded him as speaker. But their friendship began to sour after his feeling that Villaraigosa was too slow to step down after being termed out. The bitterness accelerated when Hertzberg announced for mayor and Villaraigosa, who initially said he would serve a full term on the City Council, reneged and jumped into the race......

Even Hertzberg is saying Antonio lied to him about running for mayor.

March 21, 2005 9:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Villaraigosa also lied to Richard Alarcon. Just ONE WEEK before Villaraigosa announced he was running for mayor he PROMISED Alarcon that he would NOT run.

Why hasn't any of the defeated mayoral candidates endorsed Villaraigosa? All of them are thinking the same thing: "If elected, will Antonio forget whatever deal we make as soon as he is mayor!" The reality is: Any politician who has ever dealt with Antonio knows he is liable to abandon any deal he made with them. Antonio cannot be faithful. He is not to be trusted.

March 21, 2005 9:48 AM  

Anonymous MEAT said:

FROM MEAT:

All you dum-dums say the same thing over and over again. I've listed Antonio's accomplishments over and over again, and yes we sometimes get tired of typing the same thing over and over again disproving you dum-dums.

Antonio STOPPED the MTA strike. This is public record, union and management personal are on record as saying this. Hahn played no real role. Ludlow did help.

Antonio SAVED the gold line. When it was stalled he was sent to Congressman Dreier's office to revive the Gold Line, no one else.

LARX -- A prescription drug plan that will benefit the city's seniors.

Ascot hills -- Secured the money to create the largest open space in the Eastside.

Saved Arts funding - When Hahn was going to eliminate the City's Arts funding Antonio saved it in council.

Opposed Playa Vista -- Opposed it 4 years ago, and opposed it 4 months ago.

LAX Expansion -- Opposed it 4 years ago, and opposed it 4 months ago.

New El Sereno constituent center.

80 Neighborhood watches dum-dums.

But for a guy thats only been there nearly 2 years thats not enough, it never is.
Patrick, if CD 14 really truly hated their councilman, just know this, more of them voted for him for mayor than they did for city council 2 weeks ago.

If they disapproved of his actions you would've seen a drop-off in votes not an increase.

In fact Boyle Heights had one of the city's highest turnouts, and ironically one of the strongest communities to support Antonio for mayor.

But in as much as the bloggers like to pretend that everyone views the world through rose colored glasses like them, they are sorely mistakened.

This campaign is a referendum on Jim Hahn. Not Antonio.

This about jim hahn's record or lack thereof and the next 4 years.

I can attack Jim Hahn, i ususally do, but i'd rather let there be an actuall 100% positive argument for him.

You'll note that none of Jim Hahn's supporters can actually muster a positive argument, because its easier to play to our demons than the angles in us.

blog away

March 21, 2005 1:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio only got 400 MORE VOTES than in 2001 idiot. MEAT YOU ARE HILARIOUS. You Antonio supporters give credit for things he opposes like LAX. The majority of city council voted YES so how does Antonio not supporting LAX make it as an accomplishment? Boy, you guys are desperate if you have to mark that down and the Playa Vista. Again, ask any Senior Lead Officer in CD14 they will tell YOU 80 NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHES DO NOT EXIST. LAT and Daily News gave credit for MTA strike to Ludlow and Hahn. MEAT, Antonio should have done something to at least help with strike, shit he is the Chair of Transportation committee. And MEAT WHAT HAS ANTONIO DONE FOR TRAFFIC besides made us lose $20 million he forgot to collect in parking fines as the Chair of Transportation Committee. Antonio has lack of character consistently cheating on his wife and not having the control to keep his zipper up. Like I've said ITS ALL IN TIMING. Antonio is just where he was in 2001 and HE STILL LOST. Word is getting out to Westsiders, Valley and South what a horrible councilman he is and WHO HE CHEATED on his wife with. I'm sure you know MEAT and it goes to the character issue.

March 21, 2005 1:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

DEAD MEAT, The problem isn't in your posting and re-posting this drivel, the problem is with your extremely low level of basic comprehension (see a doctor, get that checked). Because EVEN when you're given proof OVER AND OVER again, that all this stuff you regurgitate from the campaign LIE-terature is exaggerated at best, and hardly ANY of it happened while ADV was actually ON city council, you just keep repeating it in a stupor, hoping that some neophyte who knows nothing about that district will see your rerun, re-hashed false claims, and miss the previous posts that proved them wrong (Ascot - NOT the largest open space, by some 200 acres; there aren't EVEN 80 separate neighborhoods IN CD14, how can there be 80 NEW WATCHES in two years, when there were also dozens of existing ones before ADV carpetbagged into the district...?? LIES, on, and on, and on).

And WHAT THE HELL do Playa Vista and LAX have to do with COUNCIL DISTRICT 14. Like that other poster said -- MORE distraction, most old, dated claims, more slight of hand.

And as for your "strongest turnout" -- couldn't wait for that muddled week-old L.A. Times-based trap to spring itself on you. If you call way LESS THAN 2 out of EVERY 10 REGISTERED VOTERS casting a vote for hometown boy ADV in Boyle Heights (where he grew up, where they know him, where he as the ONLY local candidate -- vs. 2 in Valley, 2 in South L.A.), "strong community support" then you betray your own silly spin.

LESS THAN 2 IN 10 = "strong community support" HA, HA, HA!!!

How about this for a REAL fact; Nearly 7 OUT OF EVERY 10 registered voters DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH about hometown boy ADV to even show up to vote for him. That's called a "strong community 'SCREW YOU, LIAR' sentiment."

Just because you re-post the lies, don't make them true. That's called "propaganda" - not proof.

March 21, 2005 2:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Attention Deficit Villaraigosa is the only candidate who opposes an issue and claims that as an accomplishment.

March 21, 2005 3:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So Villaraigosa "created" Ascot Hills, did he MEAT? Did he dig up the streets? Shovel the feeway? MEAT the open space was already there dummy. Look at the Pacheco transition memo posted on the then councilmember's website.

Next MEAT - Who "sent" Villaraigosa to Dreier's office? Villaraigosa "saved" the Gold LIne? MEAT, can you give us some documentation on that?

MEAT, not even Villaraigosa is using the 80 neighborhood watch number any longer. It's "dozens" now. But really we all know - those of us who live in the 14th MEAT - that it maybe 14 or less!

MEAT, if you want to make any claims in the future, provide links please to back up your claims.

March 21, 2005 5:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Umm, the people interviewed by the Jewish Journal were very quick to defend Planning Commissioner Joe Klein's memory. However, he did u$e his influence with Mayor Hahn to make appointments to local councils to further his and his friends'personal agendas.

March 21, 2005 7:18 PM  

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