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Friday, November 12, 2004

Hahn Chickens Out

Mayor Poopy has once again pooped out and has declined to participate in a televised debate he previously turned down because he felt the date was too early. He's not available but he won't say why.
"He's not available to participate," Hahn campaign spokeswoman Julie Wong said Thursday, refusing to state what the mayor would be doing at 6 p.m. Dec. 2, when the hourlong debate is to be held.
The debate to be held at the Museum of Tolerance on December 2nd will feature the four major challengers. No word if Walter Moore has been invited, but I am sure we will hear if he hasn't.

In the meantime, Bob Hugsberg is running an online petition to get Poopy to pop in. You can sign it here.

On other Poopy fronts, the Daily News' latest screed shows the Mayor up for not being able to find the mystery 800 unused phone lines that Wendy Greuel found just by looking at a city phone directory and leading to an immediate savings of $500K that she wants to go to cops.

These are just not good days for the Mayor!


Anonymous Anonymous said:

Give me a break. All the other mayoral candidates have done is bitch, whine and complain. They keep talking about scandals as if they don't have bigger skeltons in their closet. It would be like walking into a Lion's den for the Mayor to debate these bullies. Not one of them have stated their vision or acted like a true leader. It's easy to dump on a person. Why should the Mayor (whatever people think) give his experience whether you agree or not to these other candidates who in the past several weeks haven't shown one single positive aspect of wanting to run this city. They're acting like little school boys going after the little nerd.

November 12, 2004 9:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jim Hahn - are you now posting to Mayor Sam?

November 12, 2004 9:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Give me a break. The Mayor should know that as part of his job he has to take slings and arrows. And you better believe his opponents are going to throw darts at him - he has been a total failure.

November 12, 2004 9:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parks and Antonio have their own scandals seems like according to this website. Parks with Rampart and all the corruption in LAPD when he was Chief. Antonio for deceiving his community and basically lying using the community to get to become a mayoral candidate. Alaracon has the vendor issue and the illegal driver's licenses to contend with and poor Huggie Bob, well I can't think of anything.

November 12, 2004 10:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


I may be wrong but it was this Mayor that said campaigns aren't prom dates.

If his supporters are upset by the tone of this campaign, they can blame themselves for the disgusting depths he has taken LA down to.

November 12, 2004 11:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HEEEELLLLLLOOOOOO. I am amazed at this weirdo Meat guy. He just doesn't get it. Tony has brought down entire communities with his failure to perform his sworn duties. Whenever anyone wants to know where Tony is just find a camera. Mayor Sam you should put a site instead of "Where's Waldo" Let's see who can find Antonio.

November 12, 2004 11:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Mayor Sam is more concerned with "where's Jimmy?"

Antonio is an also ran. Its a much bigger issue when the sitting mayor who has failed to lead is now failing to meet his responsibility to the voters by refusing to debate his challengers.

November 12, 2004 12:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's just depressing that the best the City of Los Angeles can offer up to run for Mayor are the likes of these 5 men. Not one is impressive for any good reason.

November 12, 2004 1:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Hahn was THE ONLY one who had the BALLS AND GUTS to get rid of Parks as Chief. Rocky was the only one who supported Parks on that issue. Mayor Hahn was the the only ONE who wanted more police officers last year and ALL CITY COUNCIL SAID NO. Where the hell was everybody during that time?

Now everybody is saying "WE NEED MORE POLICE". These other candidates 2 who are on council haven't done a damn thing on the council to help GET US THOSE OFFICERS up until last month with Tony giving money he should have given the community for Measur A. If you don't have public safety you can kiss everything else to hell.

November 12, 2004 2:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


This post was on Mayor Hahn, so i gave my opinion, Hahn backers (Julie and Jeff) have a lot more to do than reply to this blog. You have to bring Mayor Poopy from the bowels of the neitherworld to somehow trick Angelinos into voting for him out of fear of his opponent (most likely Antonio)

November 12, 2004 3:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why do you call him Mayor Poopy?

November 12, 2004 4:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So many of us don't think it will be Antonio. Many of us are betting that it will be Mr. Hertzberg. He seems to have more of a genuine heart and truly cares for the people. Hertzberg and Alaracon should jump down Antonio's throat for lying right to their face about not running. Waiting anxiously for the debates to begin.

November 12, 2004 4:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


I liked the nickname that Mayor Sam's blog gave him. So i am using it --

November 12, 2004 4:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

#1 - Hahn fired Parks because he owed PPL big time. Its how he got their money to get elected.

#2 - It will be Parks and Hertzberg in the general. Parks will get the Black and Republican vote. Huggy gets the Jewish vote, the westside and the secesionistas (and even a good handful of Latinos). Richard and Antonio split the Latino and union vote on a geographic basis. Hahn gets the city unions and that's about it. Parks and Hertzberg's core are not enough to elect or even get a general berth on their own, but with Antonio, Jimmy and Richard splitting everything else up, they're on their way.

November 12, 2004 4:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe Jim Hahn should click that "hate your job" link off tot he right. :)

November 12, 2004 4:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parks doesn't have a chance in hell. Just read LA WEEKLY article on "He Could Have Been a Contender."
Secondly, Antonio with this recall over his head can kiss the Latino vote goodbye. Where are all the heavy Latino organizations endorsements? It's not that cut and dry. The dynamics have changed drastically. Not enough people know dear Bob Hertzberg. I will still bet Mayor Hahn will be upfront. As long as Parks has Rampart corruption in his closet and Antonio his baggage he has a very good chance

November 12, 2004 5:29 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

I call him Mayor Poopy because in 1954 I was at a Board of Supervisors meeting. Jimmy Hahn was sitting on his daddy's knee when he let loose a whole load all over Kenny Hahn's favorite penny loafers.

Today as Mayor, Jim Hahn remains full of shit.

November 12, 2004 5:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Gots to love Mayor Sam!!!

As to the analysis given above -- wishful thinking at best. It's either Antonio v Hahn or Antonio v Hertzberg. As for splitting the latino vote -- all i have to say is - thats what dum-dums thought about Becerra entering the race.

Honestly -- serious honesty -- Alarcon and Parks need to raise millions more than Hahn or Antonio, because of a pesky thing called name ID. Parks has some -- but not enough -- the only candidate on the glide path to being competitive is Hertzberg -- but to have an impact as we all know how the airwaves get filled up with political ads -- for someone to break through (like hertzberg) they need more than a kick-ass free media campaign and internet savyness (they have both) they need a paid media campaign that goes 2:1 for every commercial Antonio or Hahn put up. Which means (this is just me speaking) Hertzberg needs to raise $5 million. That goes for Parks and Alarcon too -- the only thing i am saying is that hertzberg has the connections and the energy to get to that goal.

There is a 1st tier -- Antonio, Hertzberg and Hahn

and a 2nd tier -- Alarcon, Parks, Moore (i am being nice by adding him)

4 yrs ago it was

Antonio, Hahn and Soberoff - ist tier

Wachs, Becerra and Connell - 2nd tier

4 yrs ago Wachs and Connell were the valley residents - becerra was supposed to split the latino vote, and soberoff was supposed to get jewish and rep votes -- all those things happened, just never at the rate their campaigns first suspected.

November 12, 2004 7:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In 2001 the City had a choice between a charismatic leader in Antonio or a competent, but bland, leader in Jimmy. The City chose the bland and competent. (54 -46, not even close) I guess there was some truth in advertising - Jimmy has been competent and bland.

All those people who complain about the so called tactics of the 2001 campaign need to grow up and realize that all campaigns are filled with rough and tumble tactics. Look at the recent presidential race, both sides were very mean spirited.

Jimmy's blandness does not surpise anyone, but Tony's lack of accomplishments as a councilmember has surprised many. Many in City Hall have been truly surprised at how Batman and Robin (Tony & Martin) have not shined on the council. They promised to transform City Hall and nothing.

November 12, 2004 7:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As to the original issue: Hahn is giving his challengers free time to knock him which isn't good. And let's be frank, if Hahn hadn't been such a lackluster mayor none of these guys would be challenging him.

But no one should underestimate Hahn - he's a tough campaigner. And while this may seem crass and most people don't like to say it publicly, Hahn is the only white guy in the race (that is with viability . . . sorry Moore). While some may find that offensive, it's a fact and people in our society have frailties, race being a major one. For those of you who might want to lump Hertzberg in the white category, remember he's Jewish and still in our day and time a victim of discrimination.

My bet . . . Hahn and Hertzberg. By the way, the argument about "Antonio lying to his constituents" is really weak and annoying. However, both Antonio and Parks can legitimately be accused of not producing enough in a little more than one year in office to consider running for mayor.

November 12, 2004 8:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As to the original issue: Hahn is giving his challengers free time to knock him which isn't good. And let's be frank, if Hahn hadn't been such a lackluster mayor none of these guys would be challenging him.

But no one should underestimate Hahn - he's a tough campaigner. And while this may seem crass and most people don't like to say it publicly, Hahn is the only white guy in the race (that is with viability . . . sorry Moore). While some may find that offensive, it's a fact and people in our society have frailties, race being a major one. For those of you who might want to lump Hertzberg in the white category, remember he's Jewish and still in our day and time a victim of discrimination.

My bet . . . Hahn and Hertzberg. By the way, the argument about "Antonio lying to his constituents" is really weak and annoying. However, both Antonio and Parks can legitimately be accused of not producing enough in a little more than one year in office to consider running for mayor.

November 12, 2004 8:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Don't underestimate the power of Valley Latinos...a different breed than their southern counterparts...they will come out for Alarcon big time and then go to Huggy in the general.

I say Hahn fails to make the primary. Its Hugsberg vs. Tony or Bitter Bernie.

November 12, 2004 8:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Post by Armando Martinez (wyldarmando@yahoo.com)

Ok, I'm putting myself out there not to make a direct statement about the topic at hand, but rather to make a point about how people post on this website's blog:

I put my name and my e-mail address to make the statement that I am here on this blog, I will be making comments on here from time to time (when the topic catches my interests), and I will never hide by the "Anonymous" label, which most of you have chosen to do. I have to give some props to MEAT. I don't agree with many of his comments, but I cannot deny that I give him some credibility for at least identifying himself by his pen name whenever he says something.

What this blog seems to be at this point is a bunch of comments back and forth, whether it be about Hahn, Villaraigosa, Parks, Alarcon, Hertzberg, or anybody else, where the comments fly back and forth but never with any real identity or source. I challenge you all to at least go online with an alias, like MEAT. While you work to protect your identy, pick a nickname that is a part of you. So don't be a Santa Monica surfing dude with the nickname of "homie323", because you definitely don't live on the Eastside or are a gangmember. At least when I see his comments, I have some idea of something related to that person.

Let's put some balls behind our statements and make this a real discussion, and not some high school girl's locker room chit chat. We're all grown ups, and I assume that we all care about how our neighborhoods and our communities will be impacted by the leadership that moves City Hall around.

Take care, keep the real discussions going, and leave the rhetoric and the ignorance at the door. I actually want to get some real benefits from being a reader of this blog.

November 12, 2004 9:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Good post. There are a lot of Hahn supporters and I know some of you don't want to hear that. He kept LA in ONE piece, got rid of Bitter Bernie and brought in a kick ass Chief Bratton. Another good point is as much as he is getting critized by the other mayoral candidates HE'S NOT THE ONE BE RECALLED.

November 13, 2004 7:25 AM  

Blogger Carnivore said:

You have GOT to check this out for candidate Bill Wyatt. I'm definitely voting for him. After he gets done speaking, you can move your cursor around until his eyes pop out of his head. It's creepy cool.


November 13, 2004 7:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Hertzberg sure seems to be a really nice guy. His speeches at meetings put public safety at #3. That's a problem to me. Alaracon isn't that well known citywide. The fact that Parks hasn't done anything in the black community hurts him and he supported the Wal Mart issue. Hahn has his own troubles but we'll wait and see. Antonio has major "integrity-character" issues that will be a factor in people believing him this time around. In 2001 the letter he sent in support of drug dealer still bothers a lot of people

November 13, 2004 7:40 AM  

Blogger BoredintheNE said:

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November 13, 2004 11:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Born in ELA:

Tony's Letter for Drug Dealer will still Haunt Him


Because every time someone accuses Jimmy of abusing his office by raising money for anti-secession/campaign and favoring those individuals with city contracts or permits, someone from Jimmy's campaign team** will remind voters how Tony used the Speaker's office to declare a drug dealer innocent and released from prison.

Favors to contributors or drug dealer back in your neighborhood, which is worse?

IMHO, voters already think EVERY politician does favors for their contributors, but do they think a politician will use their office to declare drug dealers innocent?? We'll see.

** You should notice that Tony and Jimmy have their "people" attack their opponents. Tony didn't attack the recall, his consultants Smith and Skelton did. Kuwata is Jimmy's sharp tongue, especially in the print press.

November 13, 2004 12:13 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:


It is admirable that you are posting on here with your real name and addresss.

Many people post anonymously because they feel they need to protect themselves. Some to stir up shit.

Most are primarily too lazy to sign up for a free blogger account (which they can do using either their real name or pseudonym).

November 13, 2004 12:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


3 yrs ago there was an attempted recall on lil jimmy -- recall v recall = no impact for Antonio or Jimmy if its them in the run-off.

To Armando: Good post -- don't mind folks disagreeing with me, thats cool.

November 13, 2004 1:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Jimmy Hahn lets ax murderers go when he was city attorney, was already tainted by an attempted recall, cut DARE, ran an unhonorable campaign on secession, is a prostitute for developers and other large firms, forgets folks that contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to his campaigns, has an idictment over his head and a good chunk of his staff, has seen LA's share of "per capita" federal dollars decline, let the state raid our city funds, has open investigations currently being conducted on him by the Ethics Commission, City Attorney, City Controller, US Attorney, District Attorney, State Attorney General, and i think my local dog catcher has a beef with him as well.

I felt like stirring the pot --

November 13, 2004 2:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Meat, is Tony behind you telling you what to type? Bottom line is that drug letter really bothered Angelenos. That cost Tony the election and people don't forget. He's already proven he has a big integrity problem. Parks is the last person to be saying anything about public safety and corruption. He promoted one of his closest Deputy Chief's knowing full well he was under investigation for money laundering by the FBI and IRS. Richard Alaracon wanted to legalize vendors and illegal immigrant status. Say what you want about Hahn but HE WAS THE ONLY ONE who wanted to give us more officers last year. Now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Compared to these candidates baggage or not he's still looking pretty GOOD

November 13, 2004 6:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


So you suggest the letter bothered Angelino's -- thats very pollyannish of you.

Were they bothered sure, but may i suggest a different reason why they were "bothered".

Could it be that they were "bothered" because the imagery the Hahn campaign used in their commercial to talk about the letter. In fact if you turned the volume down to mute, it seemed like a scary race baiting commercial with an imagery of a crack pipe. Did the letter ever have the words "crackpipe in it? no, it was used to scare angelinos and play on their worst fears of hispanics.

Now maybe, just maybe that rant above doesn't convince you, may i give another example. As part of his campaign lil jimmy decided to use a picture of the watts tower ( a proud symbol in that community) to send to valley (anglo) voters with mr villaraigosa standing in front of it. Now mr hahn went a step further and made the picture black & white so it can "darken" mr villaraigosa even more. So a symbol of rememberance to the watts riot, which scared the bejesus out of valley (anglo) residents, gets sent to these same voters with a darkened mr villaraigosa standing in front of it proclaiming "you can't trust...".

So bothered, i can see that, tricked into voting out of fear? thats my belief, you can believe otherwise thats fine.

Are angelinos "bothered" by cardinal moheny? or sheriff baca? the letter that "bothers" folks was written by them as well. Why didn't we hear about this letter that "bothered" folks when sheriff baca was trying to pass measure A? Why? simple, cause he isn't trying to dethrown a mayor who plays to our worst angels. Not exactly the mayor i want in the city of Angels.

November 13, 2004 7:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

Of all the people who wrote letters to support Vignali, ONLY Tony went so far as to declare the drug dealer innocent in his letter.

Baca asked that he get moved to a closer prison, for the families sake.

BTW, racist don't need television ads to remind them they are racist. A name like Villaraigosa may be just the right tickler for their memory.

November 13, 2004 7:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Someone said that Meat was Jimmy "Dead Man Walking" Hahn.

No, he is really Antonio!

November 14, 2004 12:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Both the Daily News and LA Times political strategists said Mayor Hahn's decison NOT to debate this soon was a good political move. It's way too early in the game and let's see what the other guys have to say. They haven't said anything except beat up on Hahn every chance they get. Do they have any ideas?

November 14, 2004 1:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn's best political move would be to drop out now, finish his term in a dignified manner, and avoid the big loss he is going to face this spring.

November 14, 2004 4:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Am I wrong?

I assume you all know your stuff. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting off so much.

Now, if I listen and add up all this negativity about each of the known candidates, the only one not left in the hole is Michael Moore.

Tell me again. Why shouldn't I vote for him?

November 15, 2004 10:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't believe Michael Moore is running. At least not yet. If he was, I'd kick his sorry fat ass all the way back to Flint, Michigan.

November 15, 2004 11:41 AM  

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