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Wednesday, November 10, 2004

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The AP has a story that mentions Antonio as a possibility for Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

That's with emphasis on the word "possibility."

55 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Check out more on this at:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/9/20305/8792

Best excerpt:
"I work at a law firm in LA and he came to speak to us during lunch last Monday. It was weird, it struck everyone that I spoke with afterwards that he was shamelessly campaigning, yet he never even mentioned his mayoral candidacy--he has that way about him. Questions that began as interesting philosophical inquiries into the future of LA were magically spun into opportunities for him to tout his qualifications for an unnamed position. It was spooky. Anyway, he did speak to the rumor that he would offered this position with the DNC, but he "reassured" the crowd that he wouldn't even consider it--he doesn't know how many times he has to tell people offering him federal positions that he is wholeheartedly dedicated to the City of Los Angeles. I don't mean to diss him to hard b/c I liked a lot of what he had to say, but he did have a smarmy quality about him, and I hope he is honest, because I DO NOT think he is what the DNC needs. He'd be better for LA than the DNC."

November 10, 2004 7:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

if the DNC chairmanship is open next march/may, and antonio is not mayor, he would take it. if he loses out again on being mayor, he won't want to hang around the council or los angeles.

November 10, 2004 8:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Give me a break. He'll never get it anyways for the same reasons he would never be a cabinet secretary.

November 10, 2004 9:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Not so sure - look at Terry "Global Crossing" McAuliffe.

November 10, 2004 9:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat:

Since we are quoting Daily Kos -- perhps you didn't see these two other posts - of course you didn't.

#1 Tony Villaraigosa would be a good ... (none / 0)

...mayor of L.A., and I hope he runs again. But ixnay on the DNC.
Not playing the "We must appease the South to have any chance of winning" game, either. That was done for 40 years prior to 1861 and it didn't do anybody any good.


and #2....Villaraigosa (none / 1)

I'd rather see him as mayor of LA, too. Jim Hahn's smear campaign against him in 2001 was so morally despicable, I will never forgive it.
But I object to the characterization of him as "an old school political machine type of politico." This is just plain crazy wrong. He can certainly play that game, but it's not at all where he's coming from.

I first met him back in 1988, representing the LA teacher's union (UTLA) on the steering committee of Coalition '88, a non-partisan progressive precinct-level voter-ID and GOTV organization that focused on turning irregular, unlikely voters into certain voters. He's still very rootsy compared to anyone else at a comparable level in LA politics.

Oh, and in case you didn't know. His name is a blend of his original last name with his wife's. You won't find very many men, much less male politicians, who have done something that profound in the way of transforming their identity away from patriarchy. That alone makes him a remarkable role model.

November 10, 2004 10:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When people find out about his lack of integrity, he won't be considered for this post.

Here is an exchange from the other story that you should see.

At 8:58 PM, Anonymous said...
I'm not coming at this from a pro-Antonio way, but give me a %#$@!in' break! East LA ain't #1 on the investment list for the next dot-com wave, let alone any other industry. ANYONE who criticizes an elected after one year in office for not turning a poor urban community into Beverly Hills is either on crack or is a self-serving political bastard. In this case, it's obviously the latter . . . whether it's Hahn staffers, Parks staffers, former-Pacheco staffers or anyone else!

I can agree with the argument that he hasn't shown enough in the last year to claim a record of changing much in the district . . . but lay off the politically motivated allegations that he hasn't done ANYTHING and that the "whole district is outraged." That kinda' crap is both transparent and hyperbole (B.S.).

No average joe citizen is gonna' spend their time, effort and money recalling an elected official who hasn't flagrantly offended the community in some way. For Christ's sake, if they [residents of the district] didn't attempt a recall on Pacheco who funneled tax-payer dollars back to his campaign, they sure ain't gonna recall a simple councilmember 'cause he hasn't filled enough pot-holes.


At 11:50 PM, Anonymous said...
To 8:58 Poster:

You want a break, here comes one.

First, who ever said that Tony was expected to turn East LA into Beverly Hills.

He promised to do things BETTER, not the same, but BETTER and he just hasn't.

Second, I agree with you, it is rhetoric to say the whole district is outraged. Remember, this is the same type of rhetoric Tony used when he said the "whole" district wants him to run for Mayor. Now, do you have the integrity to call Tony on that?

Third, Pacheco is not the issue. BTW, if what you said was true the District Attorney would have indicted Pacheco. Seein no inictments, grand juries, raids on Pacheco's house or office, it sounds like you just don't have your facts right.

Finally, what a person finds as flagrant is subjective and if you don't live in the district, you won't appreciate the deception. What deception you ask? A.) I am not running for mayor and the district supports my decision. B.) I have no money to help community groups, but I have half a million dollars for my political ambition. (BTW, nice way to get around the City donor limits.) Also, his state money expenditure report shows him giving money to four civic groups, A.) Neighbor to Neighbor, B.) Centro Del Pueblo, C.) LA Housing Authority - Youth Council and D.) LA ACORN. What was wrong with all the other CD 14 civic groups that asked for his help??? Check out the facts at

http://cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1245233&view=expenditures

Why lie about not having money???

November 10, 2004 11:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CAN WE ALL SAY "GOV. GRAY DAVIS" Davis was saying the same thing Tony is. The recall is not for real. Other mayoral candidates are behind it....etc.etc.

Someone should find out WHY he gave Housing Authority $1,000. Especially in light of the article yesterday stating that Housing Authority hid $30 million.

How dare that person make those negative statements about a poor Latino community. Tony has DONE NOTHING.

The man has no integrity, no character, no shame. He's an embarrasement to the Latino community. Just wait until those petitions for his recall start to appear. There are people not just in CD 14 but CITYWIDE that want to sign. AND IT'S NOT ANY OF THE MAYORAL CANDIDATES behind the campaign. Nice excuse but it's not working.

November 11, 2004 9:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam....You've done it again. I am so impressed with you being in the loop of what's taking place around the nation. Thanks for bringing it to Los Angeles.

This has to without a doubt be one of the best blogs in the city.

November 11, 2004 10:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

From Meat:

It's like a never ending cycle with folks who are close minded to the truth.

What are we saying that Antonio is obligated to give political money to any and all organizations that ask? The truth is, he didn't have any and i mean any CITY money to dole out as it was spent by Pacheco, which is fine. Pacheco should spend the money as it was under his authority to dole out.

The four organizations that did get money do serve the 14th council district in some capacity -- my question is, can anyone produce paperwork asking Antonio to go into his political account for money for the other organizations?

It's not usually an account elected officials think of when community orgs ask for money. Antonio was elected to provide leadership within the city and its resources.

As for the folks that want to know about what he has done -- ummm reviving the Gold Line ($770 million dollar investment in transportation) LARX, ending the MTA strike (as for the folks that say antonio was appointed by Hahn, they are right) needless to say the MTA unions and management give credit to Antonio for endingn the strike. Which had a huge negative effect on his district.

Is ending a strike BETTER than what pacheco would've done - YES.

Is reviving the Gold Line BETTER than what Pacheco would've done - YES

Is showing leadership on healthcare for all BETTER than Pacheco - YES

Next up -- the folks going around saying that Antonio's website server isn't in the 14th CD -- well you are right - its in Los Angeles, a city that he is running to become Mayor of --.

Thats like saying Antonio or any other candidate, Parks or Alarcon shouldn't open up any campaign offices in other parts of the city. Puhleeaase.

If the folks who CLAIM they represent CD 14 want to recall their councilman, then why is their website in Scottsdale AZ -- shows the true colors of these folks - its not a genuine recall but "outsiders" trying to embarress a good councilman.

If Antonio were to put up a site that was to fight the recall then it should be in CD14 -- but it's fine that his Mayoral website is based in the city he is running for Mayor in, kinda makes sense doesn't it dum-dums.

Folks that want to be lazy and claim he doesn't have integrity please prove it -- with facts -- otherwise your boy crying wolf schtick doesn't hold much water.

As for the buses in ramona gardens -- its not Antonio's office you have a problem with -- it's Youth Opportunity Movement -- a city dept within CDD that requested those buses. If a city dept makes a request to a city councilmembers office they oblige and give the bus.

As for the injunction -- Antonio supports it as merely one of the tools in the toolbox. Which means we should do the injunction as well as preventative programs that keep kids out of gangs in the first place.

So keep the trash coming -- maybe i should change my name from MEAT to the garbage collector - cause thats all you've been throwing at me.

November 11, 2004 1:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT....Chill man....sounds like you're on Antonio's payroll and are afraid your check will bounce.

November 11, 2004 1:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

BUSTED....BUSTED....MEAT

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE....Tony paid for the bus to take gang bangers and their families to an injunction hearing. Never mind the entire COMMUNITY who have been waiting for that injunction against the gang.

Meat...the bus was in Estrada Courts and residents want to tell Tony thanks for the transportation. You're not telling us he is so stupid as to not have known the buses were taking the gangbangers???? PLEASE ....everyone knows his record on COURT INJUCTIONS AGAINST GANG BANGERS. TIME AND TIME AGAIN HE'S SIDE WITH THE GANG BANGERS.

THIS IS NOT A PACHECO ISSUE AS SOMEONE SAID.....IT'S A TONY ISSUE. Let the debates begin.

November 11, 2004 1:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

TO: MEAT You poor lost soul.

The fact is the bus was paid for by Antonio Villaraigosa NOT Youth Opportunity Movement. They absoutely NOTHING to do with this. Residents in Estrada Courts were furious that Antonio provided a bus with t-shirts to gang bangers to go and speak out against the injunction. Some residents did go with the gang bangers that is true.

Secondly, you sure sound like you are being paid by Antonio to defend him. UMMMM..he has money in his campaign yet, forgets about it when the community needs it. Then REMEMBERS he has it and gives it to Housing Authority, (someone pls find out which one if it was in CD 14), Neighbor to Neighbor $40,000 please check that out as well. Where are they located? I don't think Los Angeles. and so on.

MEAT..you're on a losing team so accept it and relax

November 11, 2004 2:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam and Chief,

Please block this knucklehead. This is a blog not a damn storytelling site.

The only garbage to get rid of is you Meat with all your long ass crap that nobody believes.

November 11, 2004 2:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

From Meat:

Youth Opportunity Movement a dept within CDD requested the bus from CD 14 - CD 14 obliged and sent the bus to the location provided by YOM.

Antonio supports the injunction.

I'd like to ask you all a question -- does Antonio support the injunction - yes or no?

Does he support Gangbangers? and if he does, why is he on record of supporting the injunction -- to say that anyone supports the activities that gangbangers do - is just immoral and wrong.

It's a bit weird to sit here and write a post supporting Antonio - if when i mention that he supported Measure A - to increase the number of cops -- people say it was an opportunistic move -- no one will admit that maybe he did it cause he belives we need more police. Then, when i say he supports the injunction - somehow a bus, a single bus that wasn't orginally requested by his office shows and PROVES he isn't really for more police or public safety. Not sure how putting up $500,000 dollars and communicating to the entire county of los angeles that more sops are needed is somehow nuetralized by a bus. A bus people!!! A bus that wasn't requested by his office, but approved by his office cause YOM an arm of CDD requested it.

Where are the folks to admit i was right about everything else -- it seems that folks here only want to believe what they want - and civil debate is lost on you.

Do i believe Antonio is perfect - no -- are there things i disagree with on sure -- in fact here's one -- during the democratic primary i supported Howard Dean , Antonio was an early supporter of John Kerry.

I was upset with Antonio over that one -- but to get all bent out of shape by a BUS!! thats amazing.

November 11, 2004 2:22 PM  

Blogger Chief Parker said:

Out here in the wild west anything goes. The Chief will step in if it gets too out of hand. The "knucklehead" (MEAT) actually has some points every once and a while, and you have to give him props for trying to single handedly defend the indefensible and still sleep at night. You got him outnumbered. I think I'll go get another doughnut and watch from the sidelines before hauling him off to the mental ward.

November 11, 2004 2:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

From meat: I love you too.

I am not nor have i ever been on Antonio's city payroll or his assembly payroll or his senate payroll or his city council campaign payroll, or his new mayoral campaign payroll.

If you look at the time of these posts -- its during work hours, and can't be posting on city computers now can we...lest the folks in this blog have the new "gotcha" item on Antonio.

Sorry folks - no paycheck -- just a fact checker.

The only time anyone was right was when someone mentioned the LA Opinion story -- the tom topping story is biased and can't be believed. I'll gladly give 1 point to whoever pointed out that article.

November 11, 2004 2:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

PLLLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEE GET RID OF MEAT. He talks too much without saying anything. First he said Antonio didn't have anything to do with buses. Now he's admitting Antonio paid for the bus. Everyone knows it wasn't Youth Opportunity it was ANTONIO and MEAT is covering his butt.

Let's talk about Bitter Bernie. He filed today and took several victims of violence. Says he will turn this city around because there's too much corruption.

He is out of his mind. Let's all say 'RAMPART.

November 11, 2004 3:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I said this before..."As for the buses in ramona gardens -- its not Antonio's office you have a problem with -- it's Youth Opportunity Movement -- a city dept within CDD that requested those buses. If a city dept makes a request to a city councilmembers office they oblige and give the bus."

And i stand by that - YOM (a city dept) made a request - most council offices oblige whenever another city dept makes a request like that. And it wasn't Antonio that paid for it -- it was all of us. Taxes paid for it.

As for the talking too much -- welcome to the Mayor's race.

November 11, 2004 4:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat you're an idiot. Get your damn facts straight if you're going to defend Tony. The bus was for Estrada Courts. That is a fact. Go ask Jimmy Blackman he knows. When the truth comes out everyone including your sorry butt will know that it was TONY not YOM. People are gathering facts right now and once the debates start will ask Tony for accountability. So we will see who's been fooling who.

Get rid of this idiot!

November 11, 2004 4:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

You should know that every elected official has "political money" accounts and they use these accounts to support their local civic groups. In the City, the Ethics Commission limits it to officeholder accounts. These funds are raised by contributions, like in a campaign. Almost everywhere else, elected officials have their campaign (political money) accounts to help local charities and civic groups.

So the answer is YES. Tony is expected to use his political money for these groups, especially since it is a state account.

You are splitting hairs when you TRY to say that he didn't have City money. Who cares? He still had all that money available.

You are right about one thing. He doesn't have to support every group that asks for money. But why lie and say "I don't have money" when there is that big fat account sitting there that Tony could use if he wanted to.

He should have been honest with the groups and say I don't have City money to give you and I don't WANT to give you any of my state money. A person of integrity would have been honest about the situation, but not Tony.

The reason his $500k for measure A is suspected as self serving is because when he wanted to run for Council in 2002 he used the same account to send mailers out in support of county measure B, BUT only sent them in CD 14. I know, you'll say its just a coincidence that before every County election cycle he supports measures and his name is on the ballot soon after.

What I want to know is how does his staff explain to the residents that, yes we had money, but we decided your event/project/group wasn't worthy of our state account money. I wouldn't want to face those residentts now that the "cat is out of the bag."

Or maybe they were lied to, too?

November 11, 2004 4:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

The promise Antonio made was to deliver City Services better.

What has he done to deliver City Services better in CD 14??

November 11, 2004 4:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You guys, don't get that idiot Meat going again. You are so right. One very important point to note though is Tony has the worst staff of all city council. They hate their jobs, make the community feel as if they're being put out by attending a meeting, rarely say hi or are cordial or even courteous to anyone. No one likes them and in fact wish they wouldn't go to any meetings cause they talk on their cell phones rudely. The need a pr class on how to work with residents.

November 11, 2004 5:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

When i make mistakes it doesn't make my case any less strong. Estrada Courts/Ramona Gardens (whichever one the bus came from) - the bus was initially requested by YOM -- the council office obliged to YOM a city dept within CDD and approved the bus. those are the facts - clean and pure.

As for the county measures -- if you ever ran one of those campaigns, the first thing you do is a poll on your issue and who can be your "spokesman". Somehow someway Antonio's name seemingly pops up as someone residents within the county trust and support. If you don't believe me - do a scientific poll, it's the truth. And well let's say as the campaign manager you want the person who can help persuade these voters into the "yes" column. Who do you call? Antonio Villaraigosa -- you ask him to campaign for the issue -- and since Antonio knows that these campaigns are strapped for cash and are critical to his community and others-- he has on occasion spent some of the political money he has raised in the past to support these measures. As for the healthcare one that passed that is another notch on Antonio's belt of things that HELP his district. He didn't just send out a mailer to folks in CD 14 as someone else claimed - it went out to folks outside of the district as well.

As for the community getting some political money -- which Antonio chose to spend on healthcare & more cops -- aren't those two issues which help the community? Giving money to ACORN and Neighbor to neighbor aren't those worthy non-profits as well? He has spent that money on issues that benefit the community -- and we saw in the LA Times analysis that folks in the Eastside voted overwhelmingly for it -- Antonio is trying to get the biggest bang for his political buck by helping/supporting causes that benefit his community the most. And perhaps it is symantics when folks say Antonio says there was no money - when you work for the city, and an org comes to the city (meaning you) and you know the city doesn't have any money - what do you do, tell the truth. Sorry nameless organization we have no more money this year for your organization. Thats what he did - I challenge anyone out there to prove that some organization wrote a letter asking money from Antonio's political account -- if he said no to them - you got me. Otherwise there's nothing here.

Next, many folks have made claims that Antonio hasn't done anything at all, or that he promised to be BETTER, well isn't using political money for more cops and healthcare BETTER than what Nick Pacheco did? He used his political money for La Collectiva - which then formed a shady non-profit that sucked up and abused more public money, a firm that didn't even pay their staff what was owed from Becerra's Mayoral campaign.

Let's compare apples to apples - Villaraigosa has brought more federal money into the district (gold line) and used his political money for the benfit of all. Pacheco was a politician that never seemingly could get anything done right with his political money and under his leadership let the Gold Line falter.

Saying that Antonio denied $$$ is a cheap shot -- No councilmember has a never ending pot of money -- they all say no at some point, some more than others. I think this shot at Antonio really doesn't have much to it other than being just that, a cheap shot.

Lastly, everyone seemingly knows my name -- and if i am outnumbered fine, but i'd like to know who i am talking to - no real names are necessary -- but am i constantly posting against 1 person or many. Stop hiding from the shadows and show yourself.

November 11, 2004 5:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

To the person who made the statement against Antonio's staff -- besides the brilliant and articulate case you made, the only other entity to weigh in on this subject was the Los Angeles Times.

When they endorsed Mr Villaraigosa for City Council they mentioned the smartness of his staff. Now someone please correct me if i am wrong, but this is the FIRST time in LA Times history they ever mentioned the overall composition of a councilmembers staff during an endorsement editorial. I am not saying you are wrong - whoever you are, i am just saying the LA Times less than two years ago said something different.

And if they hate their jobs so much, i find it odd than that there isn't much turnover on his staff. Maybe they are all idiots huh? regardless of what the LA Times or anyone else says.

Maybe someone is...can we say jealous.

November 11, 2004 5:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What planet do you live on Meat? Can you imagine being married to this guy. I'm sure you a guy right? The LA Times doesn't know any better. Ask the LA Times to go around with some of those losers to community meetings. Meat you sound like a lonely bitter little man.

November 11, 2004 5:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Two facts:

I saw a copy of cross-tabulations on the Measure A poll last week. Interesting info: Hahn had better "trustworthiness" than Villaraigosa citywide. Remember, though, that the poll was taken sometime earlier this year I think. Antonio was popular in some districts, but in his own, about half of the people found him believable as a Measure A messenger, with the other half not sure or not believing him.
Second: Ask Martin Ludlow about who ended the MTA strike. It was ML who I hear pulled the weight but was literally pushed out of the way at the podium by AV. AV helped, but took all the credit. ML I guess is too much of a gentleman to let him see you sweat, but let's make sure that there is credit for all the folks involved, especially those who led the fight.

No question tht AV has done some important things in his district, so let's keep cool heads. Pacheco was a master at getting stuff out of departments for the district (only Mark Ridley-Thomas and to some extent Nate Holden come close in recent memory), so to judge AV against NP is unfair. But AV is certainly above the curve for a newcomer and has done more than some who have the reputation as pothole-fillers but not such a great record on the ground (Tom LaBonge, for instance). I used to live in the 14th District, and Art Snyder was the gold standard for service. Now, the best service probably comes from Jan Perry in the Snyder tradition--she does it all herself, but is focused.

Keep up the great blog.

November 11, 2004 10:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

Here is the actual LA Times endorsement --

District 14: Antonio Villaraigosa

We have found much to criticize in incumbent Nick Pacheco's four years in office, from his reluctance to support the L.A. Police Department consent decree to his waffling on an Eastside light-rail line because it bypassed a contributor's shopping center. We have deplored the scurrilous campaign tactics he's been associated with in this campaign and in the 2001 mayoral election. Nonetheless, this is a tougher call than we thought it would be because Pacheco has grown into the job and stands up for his Eastside constituents, be it by supporting community policing or taking an innovative approach to getting abandoned couches and other bulky items off the streets. If local boxing hero Paul Gonzalez, a good-hearted but inexperienced candidate, were his only opponent, we would endorse Pacheco.

But former Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa has the skills to deliver even better services. A broader thinker than Pacheco, his Assembly record shows that he is an alliance-builder who could sway council votes and attract good staff. He brings a citywide vision and a talent for building coalitions -- whether in a discordant council or a divided city.


Meat, nowhere does it say he has a good staff. It says he "could ... attract good staff."

Only his constituents can answer if they are any good.

I know you appreciate facts over rhetoric.

BTW, you seem to be blaming the community groups for not being specific about what pot of money Tony should have gotten the money from.

Thin. Very thin. If a politician wants to help a group, they look at all their money sources - city, campaign account, rich friends (Broad, Riordan, Burkle, etc.) or their foundations. Tony just didn't care enough for these groups to help them.

November 11, 2004 11:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stop talking about Pacheco and making this the issue. AV has been in office 1 1/2 year so he stands alone.
I think Martin Ludlow without a doubt is one of the best city council members. When all that crap happened with the video and LAPD he was the only one to give credit to Chief Bratton for trying to resolve issues in the black community and you never saw him in front of the cameras. He has passion for his community and hardly ever gets political. Truly a gentleman

November 12, 2004 7:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Whoever posted the LA Times editorial -- good job. Whoever you are, you are a worthy advisary.

Perhaps the LA Times posted that he could attract a good staff because he did in the past, in their opinion. If that was their thinking, then i would argue the leadership slots in Antonio's staff are from his Assembly days. So perhaps the LA Times was correct in their assesment. That said, you are right it is up to the residents to decide this issue overall i suppose.

And to that end -- if this all goes back to a recall -- then why haven't those folks filed the required paperwork? and if they plan on doing it, what are they waiting for? and if they are waiting why did they announce? it seems like the folks behind this are politically motivated so reporters can include this recall stuff whenever there is a report on Antonio. If thats the result -- and the end game they want to play, i personally tip my hat off to them and think its a smart political move. However, I just don't buy the arguement that this is a serious movement that will ultimately win. I think anyone that thinks it is serious, is very very naive, and using the GRAY DAVIS RECALL as their precedent need to remember that Darrell Issa spent millions to qualify it -- i'd be surprised to see these folks having their own darrell issa.

November 12, 2004 11:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

They have something money can't buy you loser Meat. It's called outrageous community members all over CD 14. I can hardly wait for the day you will eat those words. This recall is indeed FOR REAL and sadly you will be very sad when the s--t hits the fan and that is coming soon. TRUST ME there will be a recall and AV will be ousted.

November 12, 2004 12:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey Meat. That's what I was thinking. This is some smart political play to embarrass antonio. on the other hand, it wouldn't take much money for a recall effort in CD14. they could probably do it for less than $30,000.

November 12, 2004 1:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat: The LOSER

Darrell Issa was going after Gray Davis and it was the state of California. CD 14 it not as big so I have no doubt these people will manage. Funny how Meat is saying exactly the same things Gray Davis reps were saying at community meetings. They haven't moved on.....anything. I doubt it will happen....it's a scare tactic....the people love Gray...it's the political candidates behind it....yeah right! Look how fast they got him out. Maybe Antonio can call and ask for tips on what he did once he got booted.

November 12, 2004 2:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Umm ok -- make me eat those words. The burden of proof is on the recall folks, not on me or Antonio.

And if you think your case is so rock solid, than anything i say or Antonio does, shouldn't get you nervous or upset. Nothing anyone has said on this blog or in the community gets me nervous one bit, this campaign is a referendum on Mayor Poopy and thats it. This Mayor is a failure, and the only thing Angelinos can expect from this mayor to accomplish is more failure.

November 12, 2004 3:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Do you know the saying...."He who protests the loudest......You already sound like a suspect making his case. Boy, you are so transparent. Definitely on Antonio's payroll. No doubt. Everywhere Antonio goes reporters will always ask him about the "recall" just like they did when he filed his papers this week. I heard these recall people will follow him with signs all over the city. Yeah.....Can everyone say....KARMA

November 12, 2004 4:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Free advice to recall folks -- you need 11,000 sigs to qualify, which means over 15,000 sigs to guarantee it gets on the ballot.

Merely a FYI - neither pacheco or antonio were able to muster the magic 15,000 mark during their council races. Which means you are have a higher threshold.

Some $$$ notes -- with signature gathering firms being able to do the brunt of your work -- and this not really being an election season that gives these firms more business that they usually get -- you can expect a higher price than usual. I think the person who posted the $30,000 post is being very generous, i suspect closer to 50k.

After which believe you me, Antonio through legal procedures can delay this to make sure that any recall vote is done after the May election - which if he is elected mayor, will invalidate the recall process.

Which is why i suspect the folks who are behind this think they have a timeline they can work with, but thats assuming there is no legal maneurvering that can delay you well past your orginal timeline --.

But if these folks are smart and i suspect they are - then this leads me to believe these variables were thought of and thats why i've come to the conclusion that this is all political tricks. There is no real recall just a political trick using homeless folks/activists at the behest of another campaign.

Which in my opinion is the saddest aspect of all.

November 12, 2004 4:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Whoever posted the stuff above about the recall process i agree with.

And - i am not on any payroll for Antonio - i'll give folks this -- its not hard to figure out who i am if you've worked in politcal campaigns for the last 8 yrs in Los Angeles - only one GUY with this name.

November 12, 2004 4:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We know who you are MEAT. That's why we say you're on the payroll no matter what you say. Sure sounding like Gray Davis again. They'll never be able to get THAT many signatures. People all over CD 14 are asking where is the petition to sign. They are so angry that Antonio lied to them. Nothing gets a community more empowered then to USE AND ABUSE THEM. Gray Davis was also in DENIAL. So you Meat enjoy it while you can.

November 12, 2004 6:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat - Just remember who gave it to you!

November 12, 2004 6:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

15,000 signatures

40 signatures a day * 20 volunteers = 800 a day

15,000 divided by 800

18.75 days

Sounds doable.

November 12, 2004 6:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Over 40,000 voted for Measure A in CD14. More voted YES. My point is if that many people voted for the tax hike that they felt passionately about because they were sick of the violence, people will sign because they are passionate about wanting Tony gone.

November 12, 2004 6:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

"Sticks" glad to see you posting. As for being on Antonio's "payroll" just not true.

Go get your sigs -- one question though - it was posted earlier that backers of the recall were planning on following Antonio around -- well i have 2 things to point out, one - why would they want to do that if they have a signature quota to meet as the previous blogger (whose math i appreciate pointed out) and second if they planned on following Antonio around -- when are they going to start? Since the recall's been announced they haven't followed him anywhere -- Antonio's raised close to one million already, Hertzberg is passed that mark already, Hahn has double that figure -- this Mayor's race is well on the way. Oh yeah...they don't really plan on following Antonio, just whenever they think theres a camera to get attention with, as this is just a political ploy. But wait!! how can they follow Antonio when they need their precious signatures -- the dilema -- whats a homeless person/activists to do?

November 12, 2004 7:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

According to the City Election Code the recall petition gathering can only proceed after the Councilmember has provided his response or the time to respond has expired.

At this point, the Councilman has not issued his response and the time has not expired.

Right now the recall is in a lull because the Councilman has not responded to the notice. Once he responds the City Clerk will authorize the collection of signatures and the committee has 120 days (4 months) to collect them.

No one knows if the Councilman will respond, he may just let the time lapse or wait to the last minute.

The Councilman will tacticly wait until the last minute to respond and try to push the collection beyond the March 2005 election.

Since you support Tony, I'm sure you won't push him to respond quickly.

November 12, 2004 7:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

duly noted.

November 12, 2004 8:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM: CITYWATCHER

You would think that Tony would respond if he truly thinks this is all a political ploy. Either way the recall will hurt him throughout the campaign. It's one thing to have money and not give it to the community. However, Tony had the political money left over and chose to give it to other organizations and TAKE from LA 32 Neighborhood Council and Boyle Heights Neighborhood Council. Everyone in CD 14 knows that.

November 13, 2004 7:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM: CITYWATCHER

You would think that Tony would respond if he truly thinks this is all a political ploy. Either way the recall will hurt him throughout the campaign. It's one thing to have money and not give it to the community. However, Tony had the political money left over and chose to give it to other organizations and TAKE from LA 32 Neighborhood Council and Boyle Heights Neighborhood Council. Everyone in CD 14 knows that.

November 13, 2004 7:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

These so called other organizations have a history of trying to improve the lives of CD 14 residents and residents throughout the city. Spending money to pass Measure A to get more cops, improves the lives of the residents in CD 14 and citywide.

Jimmy Hahn lets ax murderers go when he was city attorney, was already tainted by an attempted recall, cut DARE, ran an unhonorable campaign on secession, is a prostitute for developers and other large firms, forgets folks that contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars, has an idictment over his head and a good chunk of his staff, has seen LA's share of "per capita" federal dollars decline, let the state raid our city funds, has open investigations currently being conducted on him by the Ethics Commission, City Attorney, City Controller, US Attorney, District Attorney, State Attorney General, and i think my local dog catcher has a beef with him as well.

November 13, 2004 2:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat,

I've been reading your posts and the only person who would know so much about a politican is someone who works for them. You've given yourself away by posting too much information. It's blatantly obvious you are a Tony field staffer. You sure are defensive. You seem to go into "attack mode" when people posts negatives and their feelings on Tony. Who else would be so passionate unless their job would be jeopardized if he was indeed 'RECALLED?

November 13, 2004 6:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I am not a Villaraigosa field staffer - sorry.

I am not on his campaign "Payroll"

I have another job, thats not related to the Mayor's race or mr villaraigosa.

I didn't think i'd be in this position to parry attacks, but it seemed like no else was, so in the existence of a vacuum i came up to fill it. I've been blogging for 2 years now, so this is nothing new to me.

As to the info i throw out there, i don't think its any more knowledgeable than what Mayor Sam is able to say - he has a knack for remembering his history as do i.

Honestly -- there are many things i think are fair to attack mr villaraigosa on, and there are things i do not agree with him on, that said, the alternatives (meaning this mayor) are quite frightening to me. So don't mistake my passion for something other than that - passion.

Is it possible i can be in mr villaraigosa's payroll in the future - sure -- is it possible i can be on mr alarcon or mr parks or mr hertzberg's payroll - sure.

Hasn't happened yet though.

November 13, 2004 7:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

This Mayor is frightening to you. C'mon. I agree he lacks that charismatic leadership but what is frightening?

Now, who is using fear as a motivator.

Jimmy, at worst is boring, and at best is competently getting the City through their toughest financial times in recent memory. 9/11 did really damage to many economies and budgets. Look at the State and County cutting tons of services, closing trauma centers, etc. You don't hear that about our City.

Tony is a typical "tax and spend" liberal Democrat and that would be a problem for these economic times at City Hall.

November 13, 2004 7:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat,

Since you opened the door to this one in your previous post why don't you tell us (as you said) you don't agree with Tony on? Since you're not on anyone's payroll and you seem somewhat knowlegable maybe you can shed some light on us. Tell us what YOU think are Tony's negatives. Would love to read it. #1 to me is his arrogance. He needs to get a grip and come down to earth. He needs to understand the people and stop pretending he's still on the HILL and dealing with all those politicans and get a clue.

November 14, 2004 8:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I am not physically frightened by this mayor, i am frightened by his ethics.

Where i have some disagreements with the councilman -- here they are -- he takes on more than he should in terms of issues and the such. I'd like to see him concentrate on 2-3 big things and not get sidetracked, but he does. It's not a bad thing to try to do everything himself, i just think it thins him out a bit. Did he haveto be the the Co-Chair for the kerry campaign, no, but he felt it was too nice of honor to pass up, and i am not sure if anyone of us were in his position were offered the same we wouldn't do the same thing. Also in terms of mayoral strategy, as i remember hahn said one thing "public safety" Antonio said lots of things, this time around Hahn is saying one thing "public safety, ie "more cops" and i am not sure what Antonio's two words are going to be. Maybe Antonio isn't a two word sort of guy, but i think he'd make a wonderful mayor.

As to positions -- umm i suppose if i were an assemblyman during his time, we wouldn't have a 100% identical voting record, but i don't know all the votes he took.

Today's business journal: What Villaraigosa does have going for him, however, is name recognition – much of it the result of his unsuccessful run for mayor four years ago – as well as a solid base of support among Latinos and progressives.

Also it noted some news on the recall: So far, the recall effort has made little headway toward getting the required 11,000 signatures. But it could prove thorny for the candidate should someone emerge with money to back the recall effort.

My sentiments exactly.

November 15, 2004 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat: Gotta tell you that Tony may have name recognition but he's lost A LOT of support he had with Latinos. Although many would have wanted to take the Kerry position, they have what's called "integrity and character" and would know that eventually their community would suffer as Tony's CD 14 has because he hasn't been around. He does what gets him camera time and photo ops. The only reason he gave the $500,000 to Measure A cause he couldn't use it for his campaign and he wanted his FACE plastered all over TV. The bigger man would have allowed Sheriff Baca and Chief Bratton to be on TV. Those in Tony's inner circle have said he's become an arrogant, stubborn man and he won't listen to anyone. That is hurting him now big time.

November 15, 2004 12:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

You give them an inch and they take a foot. You know i go on record saying some stuff i felt were honest and real statements, then some loony hiding behind the "anonymous" name goes and says something weird like Tony's inner circle is saying XY and Z.

You really don't know who you are talking to buddy, so becareful when you say things like "inner circle" to me -- how about you tell me who these folks are, and lets see if they are talking still tomorrow.

I like facts -- and throwing out there what inner circle folks are saying without any names "mr. anonymous" doesn't help me believe you.

You know you talk about Antonio not being there for his district, and thats just a lie -- he's been everywhere -- the guy seems like he works 20 hour days, being the only councilman to witness every homicide in his district -- organized over 6,000 folks to help clean up the district -- don't think nick could've mustered these numbers -- and when it comes to measure A -- an initiative that our Mayor endorsed -- which seems weird that he gave only 10,000 when he had more money available in his old secession account. Where are mayor poopy's priorities?? I suppose his priorities are figuring out ways to trick Angelinos into voting for him. We find out today his "spin" on the getty house was a lie -- and this election is as referendum on this Mayor - not Antonio.

November 15, 2004 12:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

Let's see he WASN'T at the Northeast LAPD Crime Prevention Fair. He decided NOT to show up to the JOZE Friday Detective Night at Police Museum although his name was listed as a sponsor. But he did attend the Eagle Rock music festival just down the street and was dancing at 11pm. Interesting that he didn't think enough of detectives who some gave over 30 years to public safety but was just down the street. Antonion's inner circle has detractors and that bothers you because you think you know everything. I'm sure you would find it interesting what is being said outside of those "team meetings" you have.

November 15, 2004 1:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I am sure he wasn't your at your grandma's birthday either -- doesn't mean he won't do a good job representing her and the community's view.

November 15, 2004 3:10 PM  

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