New CNN-Times Poll; Brown Dominates Whitman 52%-43% of Likely Voters
Labels: cnn-times poll, Jerry Brown. Meg Whitman
Posted by Unknown @ 9/29/2010 03:49:00 PM
Wednesday, September 29, 2010
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Suavecito.
I heard that Meg Whitman is dropping out. She is also a lesbian.
4:54, you can probably come to that conclusion by, what, the MALE DOCTOR she is MARRIED TO?
Seeing Jerry's debate highlights video made me think that Meg has released only stills from last night. No video at all. What does that tell you?
Polls don't mean anything if they don't take into account the likely voter turnout, and both of these organizations do not. Their polling model assumes the same turnout as the last election, which is majorly flawed. I don't know what the outcome will be, but if the poll is by CNN-NYT, take it with a grain of salt.
Joe, I hate to break this to you, but with a 4.5% margin of error, this is still considered to be on the outer side of a dead heat.
You sound more nervous each time you post these poll updates.
How come whenever there is a poll showing Brown up, here come the "the poll is flawed" comments?
"All three of those states have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5%"
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2022434,00.html#ixzz10y7Va35x
Isn't it fun to see JoeB and JoeMarylander shill it up for Jerry?
Meg seems like she's disintegrating.
This whole story today about the illegal housekeeper she hired and employed for years will be a major distraction to her campaign since they will be responding to it for the next few days. It also plays into the narrative that she's hypocritical.
It appears that the Republicans are losing every major race in Calif except for the AG race, and that's only because a lot of Dems are planning to cross over and vote for Steve Cooley.
Well, there's not much to "shill up" for Meg is there?
I support Jerry Brown because I remember his governorship. He made Prop 13 work even though he didn't like it; he acknowledged it as the will of the people. He was adept at balancing budgets and saved lots of jobs around LA, especially aerospace jobs. 1979 was an awful year and Carter was an awful president but it was said at the time that our state was fairly "recession-proof." It wasn't, it was simply good work by people in office.
Conversely, Whitman is the ridiculous consequence of a glorified garage sale of a company made by irrational exuberance. eMeg, on board for about six months when eBay went public, was installed as the straw-stooge and investor conduit for Jeffrey Skoll, who was guaranteed the most IPO money as part of the deal. (It is hilarious how team Meg has whitewa$hed this on wikipedia). The 1998 IPO that infused the company with ungodly amounts of money that made it a player in junk retail, and it sure wasn't by thinking much about jobs for commonfolks that Whitman from Princeton and Bain & Co. brought her sharks into the feeding frenzy for cash. There is nothing about her that doesn't reek, positively reek, of greed. She'll do it again as governor, if she gets a chance, handing over vital public services to greasy clowns in Sunnyvale who know Cobalt and C and nothing about human beings.
Joe B or blog master – make sure to obtain permission from City Hall before posting comments.
Don’t forget the polls showed Presidential Hopeful Candidate Hillary Clinton leading the “polls” and everyone knows who WON!
Don’t forget the polls showed Presidential Hopeful Candidate Hillary Clinton leading the “polls” and everyone knows who WON!
The illegal issue will not hurt here because the extremes of each side have already made up their mind. But threatening a new mother with termination - that's going to touch a chord. Essentially Meg said, fuck your baby - take care of mine because I own you. I hope the maid and Gloria milk this for all it's worth, what better way to expose the plight of abused undocumented workers than with a $120 million dollar lead in.
Republican = Hypocrisy. And you wonder why socially conservative Latinos don't support the GOP. Meg is toast, and it was cooked up by a Latina maid. Eat it!!
Gloria has a smoking gun. The issue now is who lied - and Gloria has got the goods on Meg.
Note to campaign manager, stop that multi-million dollar campaign in Latino neighborhoods. That money should go into protecting the rights of the working undocumented, Meg owes them.
Did you commenters about the housekeeper read any of the back story ?
She was hired through an agency. She lied to them. She gave them a stolen social security number.
Hope she gets jailed and deported.
It's over. Meg cannot overcome this lead in a month, especially since she just got busted with an illegal as an employee. Latinos will not vote for her for the way she treated that employee. She'll be on the defense for the rest of this election cycle. What a complete waste of $119 million dollars.
Her numbers will drop significantly in future polling as a result of the illegal employee. Watch the next cycle for the nail in the coffin.
G-dammit! Damn Damn Damn Damn! Stupid Meg Whitman>>You fucked it up!
Don't be so quick to write off Meg Whitman. Today's stunt by Allred is going to backfire on Moonface Brown, big time.
Both Brown and Whitman have been dancing around the whole illegal alien thing for too long. Now the line's been drawn in the sand and thankfully, due to the outrageous sense of entitlement displayed by Nicky Diaz, Californians now have a much clearer idea of the way illegal aliens regard their occupation of the USA.
They feel entitled to lie about their illegal status; Nicky Diaz never once said "I told Meg I was in the country illegally," but Allred tried to make out that Whitman should have known. Well what did Whitman know? She knew Nicky came from an employment agency, not a street corner. She knew Nicky had a social security number and a driver license. And she knew she had to pay Nicky and deduct taxes, which she did for 9 years. Right up until Nicky tearfully admitted she was illegal and wanted "help."
What kind of "help" did Nicky want? In her 9 years with Whitman, Nicky wasn't so stupid that she didn't know that without an amnesty, she had to return to Mexico and apply for residency, and wait in line. Let's face it, there's a network amongst illegals, they all talk and they all know that there are no short cuts (unless you're Obama's illegal alien aunt).
So when Nicky asked for "help" what she wanted was a payoff, enough money to disappear. But Whitman did not give in to blackmail. It would have been easy enough for Meg to pay Nicky - she's thrown a fortune at this election, but in one action Meg Whitman demonstrated that she has the character and wisdom that's so lacking in US politics. She fired Nicky.
Never mind that Nicky had lied to Meg and her family for the last 9 years. Never mind the betrayal of trust that must have made Meg sick to the gut. Meg did the right thing for the right reason, and when the dust settles, I think Californians will see that and send a loud and clear message at the ballot box.
Gloria Allred thought she was helping Jerry Brown, but in effect what she has done is help Whitman. Allred has defined what this election will be about, and it's simply this; where do you stand on illegal immigration now that you've seen the way that Nicky and 12 million like her, regard us.
I gotta say this whole issue about Whitman and the illegal maid is backfiring on the Brown campaign. Shows how ignorant they are with regards to the Legal born Latinos in CA. Just yesterday about 10 friends who were going to vote for Brown switched and now are voting for Whitman. I'm still on the fence. However, this Illegal maid has brought up the issue of the criminal activity going on in our city and how they use falsified documents to get a job. Did this maid pay taxes and file with IRS? I know many rich people in Beverly Hills who are actors and producers and use Agencies that do background checks and bond these maids. The responsibility lies with them. This will back fire on the Brown campaign because with 73% of Americans tired of the illegal influx into our nation Whitman will reap up the rewards.
A billionaire "mother" keeps an illegal immigrant on payroll for a decade and doesn't check on her immigration status even though the woman is raising her kids? A billionaire invites a maid from an agency into her home and doesn't ask for any credentialling from the agency? Dream on, teabagger. It was this poor woman's vulnerability and deportability and that most appealed to this union-crushing billionaire. The "blackmail" was all on the side of Meg's.
It doesn't matter.
Meg will win, as sure as the louse of an illegal falsified her documents.
The country is in a "we need a pro business environment" mode to get us out of the socialist Obama phase.
Same re: Fiorina.
"Noone" will be right or wrong until November. Until then, those with nothing else to show for momentum will have to go with CNN polls.
Mulholland Terrace,
She wasn't obligated to check on anything. Having riches doesn't change the requirements.
The illegal FORGED documents and STOLE someone's identity. This was the only time anyone involved broke the law. The illegal CROOK did it. She came here illegally. She stole and forged. Whitman has a lock-solid excuse: the fake documents the illegal gave her.
Odd how Allred Barnum doesn't mention the criminal activity of the illegal.
Finally some good news for Meg. Her previous housekeeper, who can barely speak English hired Allred. This is a gift from heaven for Meg. I thought she was too liberal for me and was going to just sit out this election and watch Ca. go further down the liberal toilet.
When Meg dug deeper after she decided to run for governor, she found out about the maid's suspicious documentation and she dumped her. Tells me she's thorough and has the right stuff.
Too boot for a billionaire, her house is only 3750 sq./ft. which may be smaller than folks with Allred's resources.
Finally... a boring campaign brings a ravaged middle-class out to vote. She wasn't going to get the Hispanic vote anyway.
Now the rest of us sideliners that were lukewarm towards her are reinvigorated.
GO MEG!
LOL.
Around 2003, Meg Whitman was informed by the Social Security Dept. that she had an illegal alien working in her house. Did Meg fire her? NO! Yet on Meg's website she says she will impose harsh penalties on employers who hire illegal aliens. Don't you think that after NINE years of having this woman in her house, Meg would have realized she was illegal? Especially since Meg is such a "brilliant" businesswoman.
Here's a quote from Meg Whitman's official website:
She’s the “tough as nails” leader who can be trusted to penalize employers who hire undocumented workers.
8:36 said: She wasn't obligated to check on anything. Having riches doesn't change the requirements.
She wasn't obliged to check on people working in her home? I'm sorry, but even if an agency provides the "help" and swears up and down the person they're sending has a background check to rival Mother Teresa's, I'm damn sure running a background check, &c., myself especially if I'm a bazillionaire and can afford to have someone check into the background of the person CARING FOR MY CHILDREN.
jesus.
Not obligated, my ass.
MOM FAIL.
Oct 1, 9:25am,
Steve Cooley drinks more alcohol than a Russian leader would be comfortable with at events. But that doesn't mean he can't crack down on drunk drivers in his role as D.A.
Maybe Meg was taught a lesson by Nikki and that is why she now holds her position.
Nikki and Gloria (who wrote the script for Nikki) accuses Meg as treating her as though she wasn't even human. That's some claim to throw out there. Was this the work condition? Does Meg not even treat people like humans?
I would not vote for Whitman in a million elections. But this whole thing turns me off to a whole bunch of things.
And I think Nikki has done more to hightlight the problem of the real underlying issue this city, state and nation is suffering from.
Meg says, "... just like an extended member of our family..." Then she threw her out like the garbage - so much for Republican family values. Latinos are socially conservative, but we are not hypocrites.
Meg looks very nervous at her press conference - she knows she is going down. Yes she was brought down by Brown - a brown person!
SMOKING GUN! SMOKING GUN!SMOKING GUN! SMOKING GUN!SMOKING GUN! SMOKING GUN!SMOKING GUN! SMOKING GUN!
HIGBY,
WE KNOW THAT JOE B. WON'T WRITE ABOUT THIS, BUT THE BREAKING NEWS TODAY IS THAT BOXER AIDES WERE CAUGHT HIRING DAY WORKERS.
WATCH, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE NEWS TODAY.
WHO HERE THINKS JOE B. WILL WRITE ABOUT THAT!
As is often the case, Valley Dope has her head up her ass.
No, V.D., she had documents from the agency. She had no need to check them further, if she even knew how.
You can think what you want, but those documents clear her totally. It's just the way that it is. The fact that you don't have the ability to reason doesn't make your view, so.
No way Meg can get out of this one. Even conservatives want her arrested;
http://washingtonindependent.com/99241/conservative-immigration-group-calls-for-whitmans-arrest
LIVE BY THE SWORD DIE BY THE SWORD! OR REAP WHAT YOU SOW!
Then it looks like Boxer will die by the sword based on HER campaign people hiring illegal day workers last week.
Believe me, to quote Gavin Gruesome, "whether you like it or not," Ms. Meg WILL be your next Gubernador.
There's a brand new movie project being shopped around the cafe's of L.A.'s Westside today. (I know, because I've been promised a "cameo" as an Icelandic viking bounty hunter).
It's from the director of "Get Shorty," the producers who brought you "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia," is being underwritten by the California Democrat Party, and is expected to have a cast of thousands.
It's working title is (are you ready?):
"FIND CARLY'S NANNY!"
(This picture has not yet been ratted - out).
The issue is not illegal immigration or hiring practices anymore, it is about honesty. Meg tried to say that her Mexican maid probably kept that letter - and it "pained" her to say it. But you know those conniving Mexicans - they all lie.
There is no escaping it, you conservative scumbags - MEG LIED, MEG LIED, MEG LIED - and she got caught.
She's going to lose by 15 points! But she at least has the record for most money spent, take that to the bank.
2:56 p.m.
Barbara Boxer will "die" the day someone sneaks mirrors back into her home or office.
"Politically" she's a vampire: already dead, but very much among us.
At Real Clear Politics there is a summary of 7 polls:
Brown leads in 5
Whitman leads in 1
1 tie.
Overall, Brown leads by 3.2% so it's a toss up.
Complex campaign messages aren't received by as many people as simple ones ... perceptions.
The perception is that Meg Whitman had an illegal alien working for her. Unless she comes up with a one sentence explanation that carries as well, she gets hurt by this issue. No one is going to hear all the comlexities that we're reading in this blog.
The cable news channels are reporting that Meg Whitman paid Nicky Diaz TWENTY THREE DOLLARS AN HOUR.
Some "mistreatment."
Triple the minimum wage.
Sounds like a shakedown, courtesy of Gloria Allred. I hope Whitman doesn't give her a dime and that the INS throws her brown ass outta the country.
The cable news channels are reporting that Meg Whitman paid Nicky Diaz TWENTY THREE DOLLARS AN HOUR.
Some "mistreatment."
Triple the minimum wage.
I really wonder what kind of COMPLETE MAYORSAM BONEHEAD doesn't seem to know that even baby sitters get $15 an hour minimum these days, and who expects a billionaire to entrust her children to someone making even less than a sitter.
I don't even think too many peanut vendors, let alone billionaires, are very anxious to hire minimum wagers to watch their children.
What boneheads have yet to know that JoeB and Joseph Martini Mailander are shilling for Jerry Brown?
8:35PM "JoeB and Joseph Martini Mailander are shilling for Jerry Brown?" Are you sure? I find that hard to believe.
Phil
BREAKIN' NEWS - OMG, New poll puts Meg in dead heat with Jerry in fact, Meg is 1 point ahead. The poll came out the day that Allredgate broke, but it shows a very different position to the liberal networks formerly run as Ted Turners personal PAC.
Reaction to Allredgate seems to be motivating undecideds to vote for Meg, as sign of their disgust and distain for Allred and her tactics, which reflects poorly on Jerryatric Brown.
Hey...you conservatives still supporting Meg Whitman----you KNOW if Jerry Brown had hired an illegal alien housekeeper for nine years, you would ALL be salivating and sharpening your knives and waiting to dig them in for the kill (metaphorically speaking!) Especially if Jerry ran on an anti-illegal alien platform. But since it's Meg who committed the offense, you're letting her off the hook. I think she's going to lose.
8:33AM - Meg's not being let off the hook, she's not on the hook at all. Your comparison to Jerry's illegal alien housekeeper is defective. Meg fired the illegal alien in June 2009, when the illegal alien "asked for help." That was the first that Meg knew about the illegal's deception. Meg announced her run for Governor in April 2009, 2 months before the illegal alien came clean. If Meg had known that Nicky Diaz was an illegal, she would have fired her before April. But she didn't and that's because she didn't know.
Jerry's situation is altogether different because he would not have fired an illegal alien regardless of whether or not the illegal had lied to him, or shown him a forged driver license and social security card.
That's the kinda guy Jerry is.
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