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Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Open Thread for Tuesday

Sorry kiddies the new AV squeeze, late work and an impromptu radio appearance kept me from a hotsheet so feel free to make your own. Here's a few topics for you:


Blog away, dum dums.

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42 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parker and Tony have that same nauseating shit-eating grin. Obviously she isn't too smart dating a serial cheater who dates women who only look like her! Mirthala, his ex-, they all look the same. At least this time he's dating a whitey. He's trying to jump the caste system.

June 02, 2009 8:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

this will take that fag and liar Matt Szabo by surprise. just yesterday he claimed to not know about this.

June 02, 2009 8:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sorry Latinas.

It looks like Antonio has ditched you for a caucasian woman. Nope, this won't bother the Latinas at all.

June 02, 2009 8:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When Lu Parker accidentally spits on Bill Cosby in the post below she says, "YOU'RE KILLING MY CAREER HERE!"

Those will be her last words to Tony when he's done with her.

She's got an annoying voice, like Lorraine Bracco.

June 02, 2009 8:36 AM  

Blogger Petra Fried in the City said:

Hey Troll,

Your garbage comments making personal attacks will for the most part be rejected.

Do everyone a favor and find another blog to do your trolling.

Loser.

June 02, 2009 8:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam ru endorsing Zuma Dogg?

Inquiring minds want to know. A direct yes or no answer would be appreciated.

June 02, 2009 8:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just read some stuff on the city website.

Am I the only one who missed Zuma Dogg's stating that his occupation was an "economist"?

Am I missing some thing?

June 02, 2009 9:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

the summer school story was announced about a week ago. old news.

June 02, 2009 9:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If Zuma Dogg runs for CD2, I will personally ask the City Clerk's office to demand proof of his residency in the district.

If he doesn't come up with utility bills or a lease that is dated prior to submitting his application, he will be prevented from running.

A carpetbagger is a carpetbagger.

And you can't have carpet if you live on the street, as zuma CLAIMS to do.

June 02, 2009 9:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How is Zuma an economist? People would respect him more if he just said he was homeless, and down on his luck.

If he is not an economist, and I can't imagine that he is one, it is dishonest to say that he is. And I mean someone who has at least held a paying job as an economist. Maybe that's okay to joke about on the blog, but people who don't follow blogs will see it as a joke if he's lying about being an economist in the traditional sense, as in some place paying him for actually being an economist.

June 02, 2009 9:29 AM  

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June 02, 2009 10:15 AM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

8:58 AM,

How can Higby endorse ANYONE. I have not made a decision, although I probably won't be able to prevent myself from running, so let's just say it's a "Yes" on ZD. THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES HAVE NOT ANNOUNCED? HOW WOULD HE KNOW WHO HE ENDORSING, YET?

I should probably announce soon, if I AM going to run, because then it will scare off a lot of challengers who don't want to go against ZD cause it will just be wasting their time and money.

June 02, 2009 11:08 AM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

If he doesn't come up with utility bills or a lease that is dated prior to submitting his application, he will be prevented from running.

None of that is required, sorry. And for good reason, but go back and read the constitution and history of freedom, rights and the history of what this country was founded upon to figure out why.

The only thing that is required is to register to vote. Do you need all of that stuff to register to vote?

Sorry, cryloser.

June 02, 2009 11:11 AM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Good sign! Looks like some folks are nervous when they have to start with the economist talk.

Cry to the city attorney's office (rocky's) they approved the term "economist." It's not like saying, "Doctor,"Attorney," 'Broker." Now, THAT would be worth mentioning.

Look up the term economist: Someone who is economical is one definition or someone who studies the economy.

But with that said, when you look at what I predicted, far in advance, but right on time regarding everything from subprime to this budget crisis, including what the effects would be, and including the stock market and all the related global economic situation we are in...I'd say I'm an economist. If it walks like an economist and talks like an economist and is right every time with such uncanny and unconventional specificity, the words of Howard Stern's father comes to mind, "Shut up, sit down."

This is just the type of crbaby-loserism that will make me run, no matter how much I could never live with myself having to be a low-life, small potato, loser city councilmember. I guess it would be my punishment for not getting a proper,decent, upstanding job.

June 02, 2009 11:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ZD if you care about the Constitution, then you don't mind OUR Constitutional rights to speak out if we don't support you and if we want a legitimately registered voter.

If you are registered to a particular address, that's great. But we owe it to the community to be sure that you have legitimately been a resident at that address.

The problem is that you have stated many times in writing on this and your own blog that you are homeless and "sleeping on the lawn of city hall."

The last time I checked, city hall is not in CD-2. And your claims that you are homeless and living at various parking meters counters your claim that you are a resident of CD 2.

But if you can prove that ur a resident of CD 2 more power to ya. but carpet bagging is wrong no matter who duz it

June 02, 2009 11:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I will tell you the deal I will make you zuma dogg. For your jackass postings and name calling alone, I will give the Clerk's office and the Ethics office a notice IN ADVANCE OF YOUR RUNNING that they should look into your residency matter.

How does that sound? Maybe you shouldnt name call as much as you do. Today, that reason alone is why I'm going to do this. It is about time that your childishness really pay off in some bad karma. Enjoy it.

June 02, 2009 11:33 AM  

Blogger Phil Jennerjahn said:

Somebody is pissed that Zuma wants to run for CD 2.

Could it be other candidates or hopefuls??

June 02, 2009 11:57 AM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

If you do succeed in trying to challenge Zuma's residency with the City Clerk (remember they're all about self-affirmation these days anyway)you open up a whole kettle of fish as to CMs who don't actually live in their districts.

June 02, 2009 12:07 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Oh - for the person who keeps asking if I endorse Zuma Dogg for CD2 - I don't know. First he has to announce and second I have to know who else is running. But if it were just ZD and Tamar, oh hell yea. And honestly Tamar would have trouble in some quarters against ZD. I would also ask ZD to do a few things differently as a candidate for Council than he did for Mayor but basically I would call on folks to let ZD be ZD.

Never really got all the hatred towards him - if he is what they say he is there is no need for it. But he's obviously been effective or people wouldn't be pissed.

June 02, 2009 12:09 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

And by the way - MS is a troll, wacko loon, dum dum, cut and paster, spinmeister and Quixote free zone as of today. Cheers!

June 02, 2009 12:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I couldn't care less about what kettle of fish is opened about residency. The others are elected and in office because the few people who did vote did are limited and that's the way it goes.

I guarantee you, and you know it yourselves, that not a single person on city council will lose their position. It will not happen and you are a silly person if you think it will.

I am not running nor am I connected to anyone who is considering a run for c2. I am just tired of zuma dogg's behavior. and since he chose to throw out childish names to me, even tho I have not posting jack about him before, is why I am going to report this.

If u think that he has legal standing to run for c2, then goodie for you. He is eligible or he is not. But he does have to grow up some time. The first thing you do is not act like a child. I never met the man but i find him childish and offensive.

with the issue of higby endorsing him or not, higby endorsed him for mayor. why not then for c2? hedging your bvts mayor higby? you claimed he was certified to be mayor. why not go out on a limb not and not qualify your endorse ment? backed into a corner? lol lol lol

June 02, 2009 12:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Trutanich cannot indict a public official because the jurisdiction of his office is limited to misdemeanors such as petty theft, prostitution, drug possession, dui, and similar offenses. Public corruption is not in his office's purview. It belongs to the DA or the US Attorney
Look for Paul Krekorian to run for CD 2 and that announcement will clear the field including the Mayor's puppet.

June 02, 2009 1:35 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

So your point makes my point dum dum. If the City Clerk isn't going to go after the Council people that we all know and don't love who live in other districts (or even cities) than the District they represent, they can't go after someone like Zuma Dogg and again, all he has to do is show up somewhere in CD2 and say he lives there. Homeless people get to register to vote without an address so if the City tried something the ACLU would be on them like Tom LaBonge on a parking meter.

June 02, 2009 2:22 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

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June 02, 2009 2:45 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

OH NO...I FORGOT THE THIRD MAYORAL BACKED PINATA PUPPET...KEKORIAN OR KEKORIAN OR WHOEVER THAT MAYOR PUPPET IS. Oh yeah, an ASSembly member. Let's put another ASS in office who is the mayor's pal.
I guess Nunez wasn't available.

So those three are out. Who else.

June 02, 2009 2:47 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

I am not running nor am I connected to anyone who is considering a run for c2. I am just tired of zuma dogg's behavior.

Hey Higby, look who it is! LOL!

It's Mr. "I am not, BUT!"

YOU, Mr. "I am not, BUT" are my FAVORITE of all illogical, irrational, cryloser spinners.

XOXO,
BZD

June 02, 2009 2:51 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

11:24am, (not anonymous to ZD, but I still like you and you know that),

Cryloser said..."then you don't mind OUR Constitutional rights to speak out if we don't support you and if we want a legitimately registered voter. [Of course I don't mind if "we", whoever the "we" that you seem to represent does not support me. I never expected to get 100% of the vote. And of course I don't mind if you want a legitimately registered voter. But I think your argument may be with the current law/system. Don't be a sour grapes cryloser, just because you are starting to assure a protracted battle that will be including ZD because you are forcing me to stand up and run to show how wrong you are. I am sorry if the system/law only requires a 30 day residency."

The problem is that you have stated many times in writing on this and your own blog that you are homeless and "sleeping on the lawn of city hall."

[Where does it say a homeless person cannot run. It does not. I know one thing, there's at least ONE homeless person in the city who knows the rules better than you, clown-ass. AND, please repost where I said I was sleeping on the lawn of city hall. That would be funny, and I am not ashamed to say it, and if it wasn't for the sprinklers you can bet I absolutely simply sleep on the lawn at city hall to already be there for the council meeting, because it's very safe with the cameras. But the point is, I don't remember saying I was sleeping there. (Maybe ONCE as a joke, perhaps. SO PLEASE SHOW IT CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THAT, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO EXCEPT FOR THE SPRINKLERS.)

The last time I checked, city hall is not in CD-2. And your claims that you are homeless and living at various parking meters counters your claim that you are a resident of CD 2.

[ALL THAT MATTERS, DUMMY IS 30 DAY RESIDENCY. You should petition the government to change that.]

But if you can prove that ur a resident of CD 2 more power to ya. but carpet bagging is wrong no matter who duz it

[Sorry, not no matter who does it when it is Zuma Dogg. I am a unique concerned citizen and too bad you don't like it if I am going to run, to make the two or three other Villar backed puppets like Tamar "Did such a good job at LAUSD/Toxic landfill lover" Galatzan or the AIRPORT COMMISSIONER Chris "PARAMOUNT" Essel.

YEAH, let's put an airport commissioner in as Councilmember who is connected to Paramount Picture.

OR THE LAUSD PUPPPET TAMAR GALATZAN. (Y'all know about her, no need to even "go there" yet, she is such a wounded candidate. That will be like bashing a soggy pinata.

So that is TWO MAYOR PUPPETS, so I don't think the REAL community members/grassroots are gonna want those turkeys.

So well see how the ZD grassroots side does against the people who brought you $7 billion in pension losses, Measure B and Jack Weiss for City Attorney.

GOOD LUCK LOSERS...sounds like you are talking me into it. And now, this comment will also make a nice post on my OWN blog, for Google searches.



June 02, 2009 11:24 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will tell you the deal I will make you zuma dogg. For your jackass postings and name calling alone, I will give the Clerk's office and the Ethics office a notice IN ADVANCE OF YOUR RUNNING that they should look into your residency matter.

How does that sound? Maybe you shouldn't name call as much as you do. Today, that reason alone is why I'm going to do this. It is about time that your childishness really pay off in some bad karma. Enjoy it.

You just got your ass schooled by a clown, dough! LOL!'

June 02, 2009 3:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Go for it.

You already know that nobody will lose their office. It's the way it is. But there are enough people in city hall who are reading this, who will make sure that your residency is thoroughly challenged. Now that you're dumb enough to write endlessly about it, they're all reading it. Plus, you were dumb enough to say you're running for c2. So any single person who listens to you rant could easily drop dime on you. You are immature and foolish, and that tarnishes whatever good you do. You are even acting like an idiot here. So people who are in c2 will see that you are unstable. KARMA babes

what will you say when you lose this time? cry the next day before making comments? lol i will take a day off for that one

June 02, 2009 4:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey Genius:

City Attorneys do not "Indict" anyone.

The can file a misdemeanor complaint against someone only; big stuff (felonies) are the province of the District Attorney.

But, you can bet that Nuch will not suffer the Clown acting up in the City Council Chambers for long.

And, there wil be no settlements when his smelly ass is arrested and jailed...Nuch knows how to try and win cases, and ZD (or, should I say, Schmaltzburger) is going DOWN.

Pack your toothbrush loser, your fun is about to be over, starting July 1, 2009.

June 02, 2009 4:23 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Thanks for bringing Chris Essel's name to my attention. Looks like the career politician's grassroots candidate...LOL! And Richard Ziman of Wetherly JUST LOVES HER!

# If you're looking for the City Council candidate who's brought to you by the people who brought you Jack Weiss, It's Viilar's CHRIS ESSEL!less than 5 seconds ago from web

# Villar-backed CD 2 candidate Chirs Essel is Villar commissioner, ORIGINAL CRA Commish, Pitched by Wetherly & Workforce Invest Boardmember!2 minutes ago from web

# Remember SEC investigation into Ziman/Wetherly Capital & Jack Weiss fundraiser commish resigns? Ziman PITCHED Commish Essel at fundraiser!5 minutes ago from web

# Essel's CD 2 CAMPAIGN KICK-OFF PITCH WAS MADE BY WETHERLY Captial's Dick Ziman at a fundraiser at his home. (THE SEC INVESTIGATED ZIMAN!)8 minutes ago from web

# Oh my goodness...am doing research on Chirs Essel who is Vilar-backed candidate for CD 2. CLEARLY the ALL TIME Machine Candidate! YIKES!11 minutes ago from web

# First attack on ZD by Chirs Essel crew. Chris is Villar's #1 backed puppet candidate & A VILLAR COMMISSIONER APPOINTEE! Yeah, elect that.27 minutes ago from web

June 02, 2009 5:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

During Monday night's fundraiser for Judy Chu at the Richard Ziman home, city airport commissioner Christine Essel was pitched to the crowd as a candidate to succeed Wendy Greuel in the 2nd city council district. Essel, the former chair of the Community Redevelopment Agency and Paramount executive, would have to resign from the airport commission to run.

June 02, 2009 5:14 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

"But, you can bet that Nuch will not suffer the Clown acting up in the City Council Chambers for long."

So you are saying the city is "suffering" me, as in they are not cracking down enough? You mean to say that there is a lot of lead way and council isn't keeping a tight leash?

At the end of the day, I'm only speaking from a podium and the worst thing that ever happens is they ask me to stay on topic.

So what is there to try and get me on???...crimes of public comment?

June 02, 2009 5:19 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Zuma - hello! We had the story about Christine on here two months ago: http://mayorsam.blogspot.com/2009/04/latest-cd2-candidate-rumor.html

June 02, 2009 5:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SOME GENIUS, ZD! EVEN HIGBY BEAT YOU!

FOR A GUY WHO SAYS HE HASN'T DECIDED TO RUN, YOU SOUND A LOT LIKE A GUY WHO'S RUNNING.

DON'T WORRY SWEETHEART. I'VE ALREADY SENT IN A NOTE ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONABLE RESIDENCY. SINCE YOU WERE SO ELOQUENT ABOUT YOUR ECONOMIST QUALIFICATIONS, I ALSO MADE THEM AWARE OF YOUR DICEY RESUME. IT'S ON RECORD THAT YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ECONOMIST, BUT SINCE YOU HAVE NEVER EARNED A DIME BEING ONE, WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU CLAIM THIS TIME TO BE.

June 02, 2009 6:07 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Michael, I saw you hinted without mentioning her name, with a hedge that your source was wrong about Nahai, but I am not trying to "break" the announcement. She is already running, but now that people are attacking me on her behalf, and I am thinking about running, or not, and looking at the field, I came across this stuff. I don't think my angle was breaking an announcement. How about commenting on your opinions of the info posted about her?

Would you support that, or not. AND I DO NOT MEAN PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THE CAMPAIGN. I mean Mayor Sam readers in the NCs and SLAP and community groups, CITY WIDE, about a candidate with this background?

If everyone LOVES her, I don't have to run. But I don't like what I saw in a two second Google search.

June 02, 2009 7:13 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

DON'T WORRY SWEETHEART. [No, I am no sweet heart, wrong already!]

I'VE ALREADY SENT IN A NOTE ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONABLE RESIDENCY. [If you think that is a concern, I don't think you are familiar enough with the process. I missed speaking with the clerk election division today, but will be calling tomorrow to QUINTUPLE check for the millionth time the requirements.]

SINCE YOU WERE SO ELOQUENT [Thank you] ABOUT YOUR ECONOMIST QUALIFICATIONS, I ALSO MADE THEM AWARE OF YOUR DICEY RESUME. IT'S ON RECORD THAT YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ECONOMIST, BUT SINCE YOU HAVE NEVER EARNED A DIME BEING ONE, WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU CLAIM THIS TIME TO BE.

[If you want to try and have my name removed from the ballot in the previous mayoral election, I guess you should pursuit that, if that is what you believe to be a good use of your time and effort. Besides that angle, when I put "economist" down on my CD 2 petition, then you can huff, and puff...and BLOOOOOOOOOW my house down, cryloser.

HEY KEVIN JAMES...I MIGHT CALL IN TO YOUR SHOW TONIGHT TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT....I CAN'T TAKE THIS CRYLOSERSPIN!

June 02, 2009 7:21 PM  

Anonymous concerned citizen said:

I GUESS SOME FOLKS WANT THE GAMES TO BEGIN:

Chirs Essel:The "Political Insiders" Grass Roots Candidate for CD 2 (A Villaraigosa Commissioner Appointment)

* View Online Source
www.labusinessjournal.com/article.asp?aID=28019919.4025 - [Cached Version]
Published on: 12/19/2008

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Friday shuffled the deck of city commissioners, placing former Paramount Studios executive Christine Essel on the Airport Commission and naming Andrea Alarcon to the Board of Taxicab Commissioners.
...
Essel, 58, formerly senior vice president of government and community affairs for Paramount, in charge of strong-arming the city for tax breaks while giving nothing back to the community, was most recently the chair of the California Film Commission and begins serving as first vice president of the FilmLA Board, and now runaway film production has never been higher. She was first named to the Community Redevelopment Agency Board and served as the board chairwoman in 2005. The Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) is an evil body that has sucked the heart and soul out of the city by taking all the tax increment money earmarked to redevelop blight, and gives it to billionaires like Ansultz and Broad, for projects like Grand Ave Project.

Please vote for Villaraiogsa's commissioner appointment who was original chair of what many community activists consider to be the most evil, money sucking and community spirit robbing vampire of all time, the CRA. YEAH, vote for her. Jack Weiss isn't available.

June 02, 2009 7:37 PM  

Anonymous concerned citizen said:

During Monday night's fundraiser at the Richard Ziman home, city airport commissioner Christine Essel was pitched to the crowd as a candidate to succeed Wendy Greuel in the 2nd city council district. You may have heard of Richard Ziman. He is the tippy top of the totem pole at Wetherly Capital who you may have heard about in Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, SEC and other pending investigations. THAT Richard Ziman of Wetherly, who threw a fundrasier for Jack Weiss where pension commissioners were forced to resign. Looks like Chirssie is his gal!

June 02, 2009 7:39 PM  

Anonymous concerned citizen said:

The boiling bi-coastal scandal involving Wetherly Capital Group, a New York pol and some Villaraigosa commissioners is likely the reason that Monday night's Beverly Hills fundraiser for congressional candidate Judy Chu had a last-minute change of top billing.

It was at the Ziman residence that a Jack Weiss fundraiser last month — co-hosted by Wetherly boss Dan Weinstein — led to the resignation of Kelly Candaele from the City Employees' Retirement System Board. (Sean Harrigan and Elliott Broidy resigned last week from Villaraigosa's Fire and Police Pensions board after receiving inquiries from the SEC.)

Source: laobserved.com

Concerned Citizen Footnote: (Also in attendance at the above mentioned fundraiser was former Governor Gray "Kicked the hell out of office" Davis who Wetherly Capital arranged a meeting with on behalf of Vivendi ("quid pro quo"/pay to play) in a meeting regarding a "white sheet" on what is now the current water crisis fame. Wetherly was to get 42,000 acres of Imperial Valley land in exchange for this meeting with Davis, but it kinda fell apart when ZD's, now infamous Wetherly Source, refused to go along for the election fraud and pay-to-play.)

But this is about the CD 2 election and the types of people who back the candidates. I guess all of this will eventually be dragged out if they are backing Chris Essel.

But what do I know? I'm just a concerned citizen. And no matter who you think this is, that IS...ALL that I am.

June 02, 2009 7:52 PM  

Anonymous concerned citizen said:

Villaraigosa also received $1,000 each from former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros and California Workforce Investment Board members.

Chris Essel is CHAIR of CALIFORNIA WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARD. That are tied into the Henry Cisnero investments in L.A. workforce housing. This ended up being a BIG problem, as you know. And last week, during an L.A. Council meeting, one of the City pension experts cited the Cisnero's Workforce Housing as a the primary problem with Villaragiosa's pension board "packing power."

So Chris Essel is the Chair of that Board that worked with Cisneros on the investigated pension investment scheme that has ended up in a city bankrupting $7 billion pension loss in one year.

So yeah, vote for her to represent the community of Council District 2. The mayor needs a break.

June 02, 2009 8:10 PM  

Anonymous concerned citizen said:

Are you sure Chirs Essel is really going to run? I mean, I know Villaragiosa is out in the cold at LAX with no more juice whatsoever.

This loss of power was most recently seen last month when Villaragiosa's own LAX commissioner had no problem awarding the runway lighting project to the union OTHER than IBEW.

The commissioner told the IBEW to get lost, hence telling Villar to get lost and awarded the contract to the best bid, instead of strongest-arm bid.

So the IBEW is not too happy that Antonio lost THIS one too, along with Measure B.

So he's gotta get some LAX juice on City Council, and this LAX commissioner Chris Essel is well liked enough by people, and they'll never find out about all this other stuff. LET THE ZIMAN PITCHES BEGIN...OOOPS...what??? You mean all this stuff is easily accessible on the internet and it is exposed to thousands of people at a time on the blogs of "concerned citizen(s)?"

YOUR BAD!

Next candidate, please!

June 02, 2009 8:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If ZD decides to run, it guarantees that the candidates with the most money will finish on top.

The reason is that few organizations will want to hold candidate debates if they have to waste time listening to the ramblings of a crazy person.

That means that an even greater value will be placed on mailings and media spots.

June 02, 2009 8:54 PM  

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