An Interesting Take on Proposition 8
I'm pretty sure that there is not one political issue that the guy in this video and I would agree on. That doesn't matter. In this video, which is 10 minutes long but trust me it's well worth it, a gay man from New York discusses the passage of Proposition 8 in the larger context of the gay civil rights movement. I believe he is right; this time the gays are not going to step back into the closest, a major wave of activism and protest is headed our way.
He makes extremely good points and is quite articulate and interesting. If you were in favor of Prop 8 beware, he might just change your mind.
I urge you to join me in Straights Against Hate.
He makes extremely good points and is quite articulate and interesting. If you were in favor of Prop 8 beware, he might just change your mind.
I urge you to join me in Straights Against Hate.
Labels: gay rights, proposition 8, same-sex marriage
Posted by Michael Higby @ 11/06/2008 10:47:00 PM
9 Comments:
Maybe it's not so interesting, since I'm the only one commenting here 12 hours later to say that it's time to accept the results.
Build a new campaign. But stop complaining about what already is.
It's a bizarre notion that people who feel that marriage is between a man and a woman simply don't have all of the facts and that they can be convinced otherwise.
People that feel marriage is between a man and a woman are neither uninformed, nor are they haters or bigots. Their concerns are for their children and a marriage between a man and a woman is the model that they want their children to pattern themselves on.
An expanded model legitimizing same sex marriage poses a real threat to families with young children and they voted for Prop 8. The alternative could very well increase the odds that branches of our family trees are permanently clipped and that grandchildren with our eyes, the shape of their face or smile will not be forthcoming.
If protecting my families interests are now being characterized and defined as bigoted, then call me a bigot.
If protecting my families interests are now being characterized and defined as bigoted, then call me a bigot.
Well, if you believe protecting your family's interests means mandating how I should define mine, then sure, I'll bite.
You're a bigot.
The Prop 8 people lied through their teeth and either you believed them or you are using those lies to justify your own hatred. Nobody's telling you how to raise your children so cut that faux-victim shit.
Essentially what you're saying is that if someone doesn't want to do what you tell them to or be what you want them to be, then THEY are intolerant.
'I believe this, I believe that.' Shut up, Flanders. Believe whatever you want, but never ignore the facts.
SMS
the only bigot around here is higby for putting out wrong information, filled with hate, against the black community of los angeles. he also wrote real lies here about caruso's campaign and declared that he has two big inside sources! liar! liar!
11:45
You choice of words speaks volumes about the model you've embraced.
We're following a more traditional model as defined by Prop 8 and as a family, we'll be happier by it.
Westchester parents here's the question anti-gay people aren't answering for me:
If two gay people get married and it makes their family happy why can't your family be happy? What are they doing to you?
Easy Michael, their families have already accepted the decision their -adult- children have made. It wasn't a decision they made for themselves and it was probably not something that they had hoped for when their children were very young.
I have no problem with the concept of a civil union but young families should not be forced to participate with the State and accept that same sex marriage is an acceptable path for their children. Your asking way too much.
If my child -became an adult- and choose to partner with someone of the same sex, I would likely (grudgingly) support my child but it would be a huge void in our life knowing that grandchildren are not a possibility. I WOULD NOT put myself in the position to call it a marriage and burden the new parents behind us by insisting that they think that it is the same thing. It isn't.
All of those twenty/thirty somethings that were protesting yesterday have little life experiences and NO clue to what it means to mom's and dad's and to their grandparents to raise a child. I'd bet that none of those protesters were parents.
You really don't understand the gay community IF you think gays are going to become more active on the gay marriage issue. I am gay. Yes, I am a (happy) conservative Republican, not typical, but most of my friends are liberals and gay. They are not going to go out and protest. They're upset but they've got too much going on in their lives to really care. Most aren't in relationships and aren't even think of marriage (too wrapped up in the Madonna concert last night to care about protesting).
I live very close to the WLA Mormon Temple. They say there were 2,000 people protesting. Maybe but likely somewhat less. There were so many reporters and others who just wanted to get photos, I doubt it. 2,000 people (over 10 hours since they were out until Midnight last night) out of a county of 12 Million is PATHETIC. That is no kind of protest.
Gays are not organized. Have no political power. Have no political "face". Not even ONE major L.A. politico was out in their (our?) protest. NOTHING is going to happen beyond the lawsuits of which one is a terrible stretch. The other two, just little case law to predict.
After 8 years of hate from the left, we're sick of it. Why don't the Anti Hate people get together with the Mormons and the blacks and work out a compromise?
Oh, that's right, no compromise allowed when you're RIGHT and everybody against you is WRONG!! Let's burn down their churches!!
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