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Wednesday, August 08, 2007

PUBLIC INPUT THREAD on Downtown Development Plans (Grand Ave Project and LA LIVE Bookend Luxury Projects)

There are many major projects and issues of noteworthiness going on in Los Angeles.

But could anything be bigger than the plans to help revitalize Downtown Los Angeles (and Los Angeles in general) than the two, $2 billion plus, bookend luxury projects that the powers that be hope will transform LA into "Convention City, USA", and help turn L.A. into the international jewel it once was; Grand Ave and LA Live?

Some of you may have seen some, or all of this; but here is a huge compilation of the whole situation with a ZD legislative review of both projects. To me, it reads like a comedy script. Now I know the professional spinners will be posting the usual ZD personal attacks, and whatnot. But if there are any folks out there who might possibly be able to make it through all of this, here is my question: Is all of this as problematic as I am portraying it to be...or am I way too sensitive in my analysis of these projects, based on the info provided on this thread?

The Big Picture Game Plan for Downtown Los Angeles Development: How the city is going to try and buy its’ way to the head of the convention business line/Corner the convention market by any means necessary!

by Zuma Dogg

I guess if you raise enough money, or promise to raise enough money (and can convince the politicians you have a shot at doing so) you can just about build anything in this city, at any cost. (And I mean socially and economically, not the final price tag to developers and un-willing residents who end up paying for it, one way, or the other. See tax hikes, fees, and skyrocketing property owner costs to help pay for what is ahead in the CRA/LA “Billion Dollar Plus” development club.)

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I’m not even gonna consider anything going on in this town with less than a billion dollar starting price. And all these projected costs are starting prices, because not only are the pueblos expenses skyrocketing, so are construction costs. And with all the planning, financing and construction delays; by the time you actually get the steamrollers rolling, and the developers start piling the cement 50 stories high anywhere they can get away with it, zoning and EIR restrictions, or not (and you think traffic is bad now), the cost has already jumped by at least a couple hundred million dollars; and the developer usually ends up running to the city for some kind of financial bail-out, claiming the project cannot carry on, otherwise.

This means either tax breaks/subsidies, or flat out money out of the CRA or other fund, that would have gone to something else.

And when you review the business deals these developers cut with the city, you gotta watch for these “sunset clauses”. A typical “small print, sunset clause, bamboozle could include a promise for a certain amount of “affordable housing”. Then put in a sunset clause stating if CRA doesn’t come up with enough “increment money”, then they can cut back on the amount of affordable housing, accordingly.

And of course all the revenue streams the CRA plans on using to raise this money, are new and completely speculative based on things like “expected parking revenues after completion of phase one.” Well, what if those cars don’t start flying into those parking lots as quickly as they expect. And what if phase one gets delayed. Then the CRA can come back and claim, “Well, Gee…we didn’t raise the affordable housing money we promised the developer.” And then all the city gets are the million dollar plus units (and I mean plus) -- but not any of the affordable housing. YOU DON’T THINK THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME? JUST ASK JAN PERRY, MAYBE SHE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, SHE’S SO SMART AND LOOKING OUT FOR HER DISTRICT’S BEST INTEREST!

Plus, when it comes to giving developers CRA money to build affordable housing, remember, that money was already earmarked for affordable housing anyway. So, all we are doing is letting the billion dollar developers and their international financial backers profit on the building of the affordable housing, as well as the high-end, five star, luxury stuff!

Sorry, every other local developers in town, and to all their families…No business in town for you! MegaCorp, International (A conglomerate of billionaire developers, their corporate backers and international financial institutions can handle that element, too. (The rich get richer, and everyone else goes out of business and has to leave the state, or take up accommodations somewhere on the sidewalk.) Hey, if Home Depots can put all the local supply companies out of business, why not apply this concept to the entire development process, as well. (Man, I’m starting to think if you want any construction or supply business in this town you gotta pay for the politicians election and buy ‘em into office, so they can pave the way (for you to pave), or something.

So now that we know a little about HOW what is about to get done, is about to get done – let’s review the “master plan” for downtown Los Angeles, Cahootsifornia:

My friend Al Ries (International/Fortune 500 consultant and co-author of “Marketing Warfare” and author of “Focus”) says a product (in this case the city) must have a narrow, specialized focus that allows the consumer to associate you with a specific benefit. (Be known for something.) Starbucks pulled this off by focusing on “coffee”. Domino’s with “delivery”. (They actually created the whole Domino’s concept from the bottom up. In other words, “OK, we’re gonna be the guys who deliver it in 30 minutes, or less. And built the facilities and zoned the delivery areas accordingly.)

Applying this concept to municipalities, Vegas has gambling; Detroit/cars; Texas/oil; Ft. Lauderdale/Spring Break, whatever…

So what is LA known for? (Besides being the open-armed embracer for all who wanna be a part of this fun)…Entertainment.

But, I guess the mere production isn’t good enough anymore. (Cause the city waived all the tax revenues to prevent runaway productions. And, Hollywood can show a loss on “Star Wars”, “Spiderman” or “Pirates” through creative accounting, if they want to. Poor fellas. They can just barely scrape by.)

So instead of gambling, or auto manufacturing, we are focusing on buying our way to the top of the convention city business, focusing on providing “world-class”, “state of the art”, “nice as f*ck” theater and broadcast facilities, so the whole world can fly here for their music award shows, and House of Blues cable broadcasts, and movie screenings and premiers with all the techno-structure to accommodate a TRUE international press corp and broadcasters to beam the even all over the world.

Of course, we are already getting that business anyway. So looks like the Hollywood area, currently attracting these gigs/business are about to become the CD in an iPod world. (Maybe we can house the homeless in all those empty unused venues that are about to become the LA Forum of the Hollywood ET/Access Hollywood world.)

And how do you blow away the rest of the world, and wipe everything else off the map? (At least in the California race for convention business that we consistently lose big to San Fran, San Diego and Orange County. Cause you ain’t never gonna beat Vegas till you get gambling inside that Ritz Carlton, JW Marriott, Hilton and Mandarin Hotels coming to Downtown LA. Skid Row isn’t as good a tourist attraction as Danny Gans, free alcohol and blackjack tables, apparently.)

So let’s take a look at one of the two billion dollar bookend projects the city has online to give LA that steroid injection it needs to become the international tourist and convention magnet it must become; or else we really will become that third world city the critics are warning us about. (And in this global war, the city is gonna have to focus all resources and funding toward this “Hail Mary” attempt if there is any hope of pulling it off.)

So let’s see what one, of these two mixed-use, luxury condo, five star hotel, specialty/boutique shop, fancy restaurant upscale billion dollar wife babysitter projects has in store, with the only the community’s best interest in mind:

ZUMA DOGG LEGISLATIVE REVIEW: CRA/LA’s LA LIVE PROJECT
($2 Billion Starting Price)

THE FOLLOWING IS A COMPILATION OF INFORMATION ON THIS DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES REVITAILIZATION FANTASY PROJECT (ONE OF MANY PROMISED “CORNERSTONES”) THAT WILL MAKE THE DOWNTOWN SKYLINE LOOK GOOD FOR PEOPLE FLYING IN FROM OVERSEAS, BUT WON’T DO MUCH FOR THE RESIDENTS OF LOS ANGELES EXCEPT SUCK THE SOUL AND MONEY OUT OF THE CITY

Vegas, looks good: But at what expense. The place is like a Hollywood set. Everything looks good from the front, as you are walking down the strip. But the machine that built that shiny new skyline (and keeps it ticking) seems to have robbed the soul out of the community (average paying casino jobs with impossible hours) and turned Veags into the meth capital of the universe.

You got the crack heads walking the streets of the communities behind the casinos, as the wealthy international jet set crowd buys up all the luxury skyscrapers that gentrified the community.

LA doesn’t have gambling, but they still need a shiny new skyline for all the international billionaires to devour, or else we’ll sink even further as we continue to sit fifth on the totem pole behind lesser cities; San Fran, San Diego, Orange County and Vegas when it comes to the convention booking business.

If you look at the online brochures for these mulit-billion dollar CRA development projects, they all look just fantastic. Looks like a lot of fun time for tourists on a Saturday night. Only problem, these projects will rob the soul out of the community by sucking every available city cent, out of every nook and cranny of the city funds – and will wipe away all the locally owned and operated businesses in the area. (Like a giant Home Depot of restaurants, shops and entertainment.) No more local flare. No more of that "diverse culture" that city's like LA brag about. Just pre-fabricated, planned mixed-use mega-center tourist attractions. (And we all know how tired tourist-based living gets.)

The little everyday amenities that are available, will fold, and you will be forced to not only commute for work, but for grocery shopping and everything else. (Except high end boutique specialty items, or a five star tea part at the Ritz Carlton.)

If the billionaire developers and their mega-international banking partners realize their dreams and fantasies, Downtown Los Angeles is about to try and “buy” its’ way into the international convention business, attempting to wipe everything else off the map. It hasn’t worked before. But this time, I think they will continue to throw enough money at the problem to at least get the stuff built. [At what expense to investors and the community remains to be seen. But it will look great, and be a fantastic addition to all the investor's corporate portfolio.]

Stuff like the Ritz-Carlton Condos, fancy restaurants, special event theaters, upscale shops. Everything a CEOs wife could want to keep her busy while her billionaire hubby gives a keynote at the convention. All the employees/attendees…well I guess they can sleep down the street with everyone else on Skid Row who can’t afford the five star convention accommodations.

Bottom line: The fix is in, and a few people, with the most money have spoken. They can say the number one priority is to fix the schools, reduce crime, manage traffic congestion, build more affordable housing, clean up skid row and create more high paying jobs…but that’s all bullsh*t.

The number one priority of the City of Los Angeles, as revealed by Villaraigosa and the despicable Jan Perry is to turn downtown LA into an upscale convention region, flanked by two competing luxury hotel, condo, restaurant, shopping, entertainment and theater projects; Grand Ave and LA Live, to create the Vegas like atmosphere to help pull in some business for that big white elephant convention center sitting near the Staples Center (that was supposed to solve the problem).

And remeber, Janice Hahn also wants to build another convention center near LAX. So I sure hope businesses start having A LOT MORE conventions, instead of less, as travel and convention costs continue to rise, and electronic communication make them easier to cut back on.) Because now all these billions and billions being invested into a Downtown convention area will have to compete with a more convenient and more economically feasible Janice Hahn LAX Convention Center.

And LA is banking on all these downtown tourists and conventions to have huge convention budgets. Because everything is five star, therefore you will be booking your employees at the Ritz, JW Marriott or Mandarin Hotel. (Or one of the other cheap ass hotels like Bonaventure or Westin.) Not building any affordable hotels, like they aren’t building any affordable housing, so they have just priced themselves out of the convention business.

Here’s more on LA LIVE, the answer to all your problems, with a starting price of over $2 billion. [ZD legislative review in brackets.]

LA LIVE: In September, 2005, the Mayor attended the ground breaking ceremony for Phase 1, scheduled for completion in 2007. [Oh good, I see we’re right on track! Look at the delays, and they haven’t even started.]

L.A. LIVE will also be the region's most in-demand and busiest hospitality location [Oh! I guess the facts and statistics are in!?!?], featuring 260,480 square feet of conference center and ballroom facilities [good we should put the homeless there, since it will sit empty most of the time]; eight world-class restaurants [GOOD, cause we’re turning into a third-world country], including the ESPN Zone [Oh, I almost thought it said EDUCation Zone], Flemings Prime Steakhouse [no transfats please, that would be bad for the City] and Wine Bar, Katsuya, The Farm of Beverly Hills, Yard House, Rosa Mexicana and dining concepts developed by Wolfgang Puck [actual diversity, if you can afford Wolfgang], Celestino Drago and others [things no one said they wanted or needed];

a 100,000-square-foot special events deck [for your shady special event fee waivers]; the famous Lucky Strike Lanes bowling center [I think bowling alleys downtown named after cigarettes are gonna get the mayor re-elected]; the celebrity-owned Conga Room [I was against it until I heard it was “celebrity owned”…I’m sure they’ll feed homeless children that won’t have affordable housing now]; and the one-of-a-kind Grammy Museum saluting the history of music and the genre's best known awards show. [And we all know there is nothing more needed in this city right now than a museum paying tribute to awards shows. Meanwhile, how about finishing the Children’s Museum, first?]

All of the aforementioned facilities will be centered around NOKIA Plaza LA Live, a 40,000-square-foot outdoor event space. [Maybe Zev can put all the skid row homeless there, instead of those mountain campgrounds the NIMBYS are fighting. HEY…I bet Kaiser could get away with illegal dumping there, cause it’s private space!]

Office of the Mayor
City of Los Angeles
ANTONIO R. VILLARAIGOSA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

January 12, 2006

MAYOR ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA SUPPORTS PARTNERSHIP TO ENSURE CONSTRUCTION OF CONVENTION CENTER HEADQUARTERS HOTEL, LINCHPIN OF LA Live! Downtown Project [How do you insure these ensurences? Hopefully these promises are more credible than campaign promises.]

(Los Angeles) – Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa today joined Tim J. Leiweke, President and CEO of AEG as he announced AEG and KB Home will partner to finance the development of the Convention Center Headquarters Hotel, the linchpin LA Live! downtown project. The Mayor strongly supports the partnership which will accelerate building the Convention Center Headquarters Hotel.

“This partnership will ensure [at least promises, if not delivers] that LA Live and the hotel not only come to fruition [or at least fantasy] but will make Los Angeles the entertainment capital of the West Coast,” said Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. [Is that all it takes? One hotel!]

“Furthermore, [don’t say ‘furthermore’ you haven’t really said anything yet] the Convention Center Headquarters Hotel is absolutely necessary if Los Angeles wants to have a convention center that is able to compete with other convention centers in the region.” [If the nation’s second biggest City isn’t even competitive with the region…save your time and money, now. This isn’t the answer. (No casinos!) Everyone visits and moves to LA because they like LA: So you want to completely change into being just like everywhere else. ZONE AWAY, A-HOLES!]

The AEG and KB Home partnership will ensure [at least hope] that the four-star hotel will become a reality for downtown Los Angeles. [But that reality may not include enough demand or occupancy.]

LA Live! A multi-use development, is critical to the revitalization of downtown Los Angeles [developers’ bank accounts] and fulfills the Mayor’s vision to make downtown one of the most recognized and attractive areas not only in the City but in the country as well. [Designed in his own image! And by the way, this doesn’t fulfill it. That happens when it is completed and operational.]

When [If] completed, it will serve to attract more than 10 million visitors [How? I don’t see] which in turn will infuse $9 billion into the economy and create more than 25,000 jobs. [That’ll be the day that Jim Morrison walks into the CRA office to apply for some of the mandatory affordable housing that those sunset clauses have a way of setting on.]

The project covers six city blocks in the South Park neighborhood and will be the signature of the neighborhood. Restaurants, nightclubs, sports bars, [instead of the types of amenities people will still have to go to Silverlake or Pasedena to get] high density housing, [yeah, The Ritz Carlton Condo; that’s what they are calling “housing’] a 7,100 seat state-of-the art theater, radio and television broadcast facilities [glad we are building those. Maybe they can build some practical housing and needed community amenities]; offices and the Convention Headquarters Hotel are all components of this new entertainment district. [And “entertaining” is the big crisis the city is facing! I heard Bratton say just the other day, “We can’t entertain our way out of this.” I tend to disagree. And I happen to know from inside sources, entertaining are also big issues at LAUSD and all the social services. And the middle class being pushed out of town in the other parts of town...they demand more entertaining, too!]

The hotel [Ritz Carlton and Five Star Marriott, nothing most tourists or business conventions will be able to afford] will have 1,100 rooms as well as meeting, ballroom and amenity space of approximately 185,000 square feet. [To go along with all the convention space, already not being used, because it's too expensive to get downtown from the airport -- and too much traffic -- and, well...skid-you-know-what' in addition to the new convention center Janice Hahn wants to build near the airport. I hope people that go to conventions start having a lot of babies!]

Mayor Villaraigosa broke ground on LA Live! on September 15, 2005

The Convention Center Headquarters Hotel will feature spectacular rooms that will provide views to the Westside and downtown skyline. [Overlooking all the problems these projects not only won’t solve, but add to.]

2. AEG/LA Live Specific Plan Amendments (City Planning Commission)
LA Live

AEG is developing a downtown Los Angeles sports and entertainment destination, a 4-million square foot development adjoining The STAPLES Center and The Los Angeles Convention Center. [And you are telling us, instead of trying to keep it secret? Remember what happened last time you used the words, "AEG" and "STAPLES Center" regarding development? The Valley still haven't cooled down from that. And this will remind them again!]

The multi-faceted entertainment destination will feature an exciting mix of entertainment venues, restaurants, retail commercial and residential spaces, television and radio broadcast studios and concert spaces. [Can families who parents have to work downtown, but can't find housing within eighty miles crash in the radio studios when they aren't being used? Or maybe Clear Channel can build some affordable housing in the area?]

Highlights of the district will include a 40,000-square foot outdoor plaza, a ESPN broadcast and restaurant facility, Regal Theatres and Club NOKIA at L.A. Live. [And not ONE thing of public benefit.]

NOKIA Theatre at L.A. Live

NOKIA Theatre at L.A. Live will be a premier mid-sized music/theatre venue featuring state-of-the-art acoustics and seating for 7,000. [Sounds perfect for a James Taylor perfomance at a David Geffen benefit. Or some other wine and cheese event.]

NOKIA Theatre at L.A. Live will look to host the Latin GRAMMY® Awards and ESPY Awards, as well as numerous other productions from VH1, MTV, and BET. [In that case, they are only taking business from other nearby venues? So how does that help revitalize? Sounds like it will only cannibalize? Hey, Garcetti...make them cut you in as Council President, since it will be tanking your own districts' investment.]

It is also available for corporate shareholder meetings, product launches, and seminars. [Good the shareholders can discuss how the project they are having the meeting in is weakening the local economy and their revenues will be going down, unless they are targeting the poor, or rich international tourists.]

Club NOKIA at L.A. Live

In an effort to bring the best in live music and entertainment to Los Angeles, NOKIA and AEG are joining forces to create Los Angeles' most renowned club for live music and cultural events. [Why is the city making this much of an effort to entertain? Why not this much effort to educate?]

The stand-alone club, which will accommodate up to 2,400 patrons, will feature up and coming music acts, bands, and cultural shows.

The club may also be used to host private parties and corporate events.
[Sounds like this whole project is the “home depot” of regional entertainment. It’ll put everyone else out of business, then you’ll only have one big, sanitized “Promonade/Citywalk-style” tourist infused entertainment scene. And we all know that gets tired after about one month.]

NOKIA Plaza (Welcome to Nokiatown, CA)

Situated in the heart of the nation's entertainment capital, NOKIA Plaza provides a 40,000-square foot open-air plaza that will serve as the central meeting place for Los Angeles' Sports and Entertainment District. [And there’s no more important goal the City should be focused on, toward the goal of uplifting the community, and society at large as Sports and Entertainment. I think the City should be doing MORE in this area, instead of leaving it to the private sector/No CRA involvement.]

The Plaza will serve as one of the district's key anchors, providing a broadcast venue featuring giant LED screens as well as a red carpet site for special events. [IF THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES WERE A RESTAURANT, IT WOULD SERVE NOTHING BUT DESSERT!]

The NOKIA Theatre venues are part of the "NOKIA Unwired" marketing platform, which brings live music to fans in both the NOKIA Theater venues and on TV through "NOKIA Presents Hard Rock Live" on MTV. [How about something that brings education to students of LAUSD, not the crap they play on MTV! And F*CK NOKIA! I'm already sick to my stomach from seeing the word, "Nokia". Why don't you just put up a big billboard at LAX: "Welcome to Latham/AEG/Broad's Las Nokia-Disney/Universal, California!"]

Hotel and Condominiums

A 54-story, 1000-room convention "headquarters" hotel that will combine the JW Marriott and Ritz Carlton brands and 216 luxury condominiums - The Residences at The Ritz Carlton [How about building something people planning conventions can afford. I thought you wanted convention business? Five star hotels are for rich individuals. Maybe the CEOs will stay there. How about everyone else? Gotta build those, too, renaissance planners!]

The project, considered the largest development in Los Angeles' history, will be host to an exciting mix of venues and facilities. [At the same time all the middle-income folks are fleeing the area, to be replaced by new low income immigrants. Plus wealthy international immigrant land investors/speculators/developers.]

"On behalf of AEG and all of our partners, we are here today to break ground for the largest and most important development in the history of Downtown Los Angeles [if you say so, although Eli Broad would beg to differ, I’m sure] , LA Live," said Timothy J. Leiweke, President & CEO, AEG. "This project is real, this project is happening and this project is important. LA Live will give Los Angeles the ability to attract the best and most important events for our city." [Keep trying to convince yourself. Call Stuart Smalley, maybe he can read you an affirmation, himself.]

"Most importantly, our company's investment of nearly $1 billion coupled with an additional $3.5 billion commitment from the other private investors in LA Live and the surrounding downtown residential district has brought this city a fully privatized, fully financed and fully entitled development. A $4.2 billion development that does not require any public subsidy" Leiweke added. [Are you willing to put that in writing?]

Gladstone's 4 Fish, Junior's Deli Boys, Il Moro, Katsuya, and New Zealand Natural will provide a variety of established dining opportunities for LA Live visitors. Agreements with P.F. Chang's and French 75 are in the final stages of negotiations. [Besides the few times a year J Lo or Santana shows up at The Conga Room for all the VIPs to attend, anything your average city resident can take their family to without taking out another mortgage?]

Upper floors will house luxury suites to accommodate visiting sports teams, headline performers, and upscale guests. The hotel will also include up to 111 fully serviced luxury condominium units on the top floors offering 24-hour valet and concierge staff, food and room services, and other amenities. The 1.1 million sq. ft. hotel will be developed by Wolff-Apollo and designed by Gensler. [Looks like they’ve solved the NBA housing crisis! And now Elton John has a new place to rave about next time he’s in town! And I’m sure the rest of the voting public couldn’t be happier about that!]

The hotel is expected to significantly boost efforts to attract key conferences, exhibitions, conventions and corporate meetings to the convention center, strengthening the entire Los Angeles region's tourism and new business opportunities. [You expected everyone to move into all those lofts and businesses everyone is already moving out of, cause you haven’t put this much effort into the actual solutions, that don’t included luxury accommodations for Shaq when he flies into town to beat the Lakers.] City general funds will not be used to finance the hotel's development. [I HOPE NOT!!! Thanks for bragging about not using City money to build a Paris Hilton Hotel. City funds will not be used to build any affordable housing. Why don’t you mention that, too!]

At the groundbreaking, Leiweke announced several new, major l.a. live business partners: [Lots of business partners, not too many community and social improvement partners.]

ESPN will create a regional headquarters and sports entertainment venue in a unique 120,000 sq. ft. broadcast studio that will be the home for a number of live and taped programs. Included in this building will be the ESPN Zone - a multi-level restaurant, sports bar, and game area. An approximately 10,000 sq. ft. radio broadcast center is also planned for live radio in an adjacent building.

Regal Entertainment Group will develop a 90,000 sq. ft. cinema complex with 3,700 seats and featuring digital sound, stadium seating, and state-of-the-art projection systems. This flagship theater will serve as a new venue for movie premieres and special screenings. [So long Hollywood, moving the “premier and screenings” over here. Again, this won’t generate more business to the area. Just move it away from other areas. But I’m glad Leo Decaprio’s quality of life is about to improve. I can think of no better use of this prime real estate than for occasional “premiers and specials”. Can LAUSD use the space to teach kids in between those important special occasions?]

The GRAMMY® Museum will be housed in a 28,000 sq. ft. space designed for a permanent display of music genres and the science of recorded music as well as new interactive presentations recognizing past and president GRAMMY® winning artists. [How about an actual cultural arts center where kids actually learn how to play an instrument, not just look at statues of Beyonce’.]

"Sports and entertainment often converge in the diverse city of Los Angeles and establishing a major presence there is a very positive step in the long-term growth of our company," [but not the long-term growth of our kids or community] said George Bodenheimer, President, ESPN, Inc. and ABC Sports and Co-Chairman, Disney Media Networks. [I don’t know who has their hooks in deeper in this town, Disney or Universal? Mickey Mouse is actually the real mayor of LA] “Originating more programming and extending our brand with an ESPN Zone will create a stronger ESPN. [TOP, TOP, TIPPY TOP City priority and philanthropic benefit to the community!] Given the success of our past collaborations with AEG [and how the valley wanted to secede from LA] and the scope and promise of LA Live, we are eager to expand our L.A.-based operations." [And I’m glad the city can help facilitate your eagerness for expansion!]

"Diversity is the lifeblood of our vibrant city. The Conga Room is proud to partner with LA Live to showcase its unique brand of Latin American culture and music," said Jimmy Smits, co-owner, The Conga Room. [Yeah, a Latin American bar, real diverse. Not enough Latino culture. That’s the diversity missing in this town! And by being a specific culture, it’s not diverse, idiots! Call it what it is…Jimmy Smits is a famous actor: Let him open the bar. And to all the bar owners about to go out of business. Go into acting.]

"Hilton is pleased that we have been selected to manage this new hotel, particularly since it is located in our corporate back yard. [Glad we could make life easier for you!]

"Great cities attract great conventions and visitors. [Yeah, that’s why we’ve losing out] This Hilton hotel and LA Live will establish Downtown Los Angeles as a world class destination. [I thought the Omni/Bonaventure/Westin/Staples/Convention Center/Etc was supposed to do that? I say you do that through building a great “real” city.] Our team is absolutely committed to bringing this hotel to life and transforming Los Angeles into one of the most attractive destinations for conventions in the nation, [that’s the same kind of optimistic speech the Captain of the Titanic said about the Titanic just before it sank]" said Lew Wolff, Chairman and CEO, Wolff Urban Management, which is co-developing the Los Angeles Convention Center Headquarters Hotel.

• Numerous high-end fine dining, casual and ethnic restaurants as well as nightclubs, coffee shops, and bistros which will provide a rich mixture of high quality food and settings, providing visitors with a true "Taste of L.A.;" [Is that the taste of LA? I guess Canter’s, Pinks, Roscoes, Baja Fresh, Big Daddy’s Venice, all the city’s authentic Mexican restaurants…you’re not high-end and fine…you’re not true. You think a billionaire developers wife wants to eat at any place the rest of the world can afford?]

• 4,000 residential apartments and loft condominiums within three blocks of the sports and entertainment district are under construction or in the planning stages. [How close is it to grocery stores, repair shops, cleaners, schools, gyms, after school programs, social services, neighborhood council meetings?]

"Today Los Angeles is reaffirming its position as the entertainment capital of the world. LA Live will bring a vibrant sports and entertainment district to Downtown Los Angeles with exciting new places for families to dine and watch a movie, concert or game. [But nothing to do, and no where to feed your kids on a budget.] The entire City of Los Angeles will benefit from the thousands of jobs it will create and billions of dollars it will pump into our local economy," said Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. ["Entire city will benefit?" OK Mayor, now I’m gonna sue your ass for fraudulent claims.]

"The LA Live sports and entertainment district is a boom for our local economy and the world-class facility will continue downtown's unprecedented revitalization efforts," said State Senator Gil Cedillo, who represents the area where the project will be developed. [So that’s how you know this is a bad deal.]

LA LIVE restaurants, theaters, landscaped courtyard, and media headquarters are certain to continue our efforts to reinvigorate our city center and make it an even more attractive destination for tourists and local families alike. Additionally, the project brings a wealth of quality job opportunities and profound economic development to the South Park neighborhood, surrounding areas, and the city as a whole," said Los Angeles City Councilwoman Jan Perry, who represents the 9th Council District where the project will be located. [Quality job opportunities, like construction worker or waiter once it is open. Notice how Jan's paragraph was the most pompous, grand, politi-speak in this whole massive post? Take your nose out of the air Jan, you have nothing to be arrogant about?]

"There is no more defining influence on the future of Downtown L.A. than the LA Llive development by AEG," said Mark Liberman, president & CEO of LA INC. The Convention and Visitors Bureau. "It presents LA with the promise of a wholly new and exciting visitor destination in the center of the second largest city in the country. Our industry is eager to work closely with AEG, its partners and the City to make the vision presented today a reality. There's no hiding the fact that what we've seen today can be a convention sales organization's dream come true." [What about the constituents’ of Los Angeles’ dreams come true? I guess one man’s dream, is the rest of our nightmare.]

MACFARLANE: While San Francisco-based MacFarlane invests money for the California Public Employees' Retirement System and other big clients. [In speculative, partially planned billion dollar city projects, that assumes enough risk to trigger all the warning flags to investors. Mainly, cost over-runs and inefficiency that will plague profitability. Either that, or they will have to come running to the city for a bail-out.]

"Downtown has been the redheaded stepchild with braces compared to the Westside," Wise said. [And I think now is the perfect time for the city to attempt to have Downtown swim upstream, against public will.]

"This is really a quantum leap forward in terms of credibility about downtown's revitalization," he added. [The “quantum leap” is the announcement with is only a leap “forward” in terms of credibility…it doesn’t restore it.]

Owners of downtown's Bonaventure Hotel tried to stop AEG's hotel plans in court, arguing that AEG will have an unfair competitive advantage because it will receive financial assistance from the city. The suit was later dropped. [Not because it isn’t unfair. But because they City gave in to Bonaventure “tick for tack” demands.]

The deal approved by the City Council calls for AEG to receive a rebate of at least $246 million in the hotel bed taxes it is expected to generate during the first 25 years of operation. In addition, the project is being given a $5-million grant from the city redevelopment agency and a rebate of $4 million in building permit fees.

Those concessions from the city were essential to getting the hotel started, Leiweke said. [I thought the big deal about this was it was completely funded by private money and how it is so successful that they don’t need any help?]

San Francisco-based MacFarlane, which invests in urban real estate developments, will provide as much as $400 million in financing, said Chief Executive Victor MacFarlane. The company also may invest in the $2-billion Grand Avenue retail, residential and office project set to begin construction north of Staples on Bunker Hill later this year. [And Antonio may run for re-election.]

"We'll probably invest in the two largest bookends downtown," he said. [And two riskiest, bookends, waiting to become a price over-run nightmare as construction costs soar, and delays allow prices to continue to skyrocket. And these increases are not factored in. So, all of these figures are just minimum starting prices, like an opening bid on ebay.]

Also helping fund construction of the hotel are the expected sales of the condominiums, which are priced at $1.5 million to $6 million. [Oh no, all those shabby, affordable $1.5 units will bring down the value of the $6 million dollar units. Can’t we raise the prices on the lower priced units to help keep property values up. I mean, really!]

Buyers have already made deposits on nearly half of the units, Leiweke said. [Where are these people coming from? Must be flying them in from somewhere else?]

"He has made a huge investment in this community in infrastructure, in entertainment and in sports, and those three drive our economy," said L.A. developer Steve Soboroff, a former adviser to ex-Mayor Richard Riordan, who worked with Anschutz on the Staples Center and other projects. [Sports and entertainment drive our economy? That’s a problem then, if you ask me? No wonder our community is in trouble if that’s what drives it. You forgot to throw in junk food and porno.]

Hotel tax rebates fuel anger:

The 54-story hotel will put the city's downtown convention center in the running for business that now goes elsewhere, said Jack Kyser, chief economist at the development corporation.

But the up-to-$290 million in hotel tax rebates that the Los Angeles City Council approved for the property last year drew the ire of many Angelenos.



RE: LA LIVE (from website link above)

Q: What market forces are driving such development activity downtown?

CM Jan Perry: There is a perception of enthusiasm for this market. [That’s quite a bit of of land dedication (including public) and money (including public and pension) going toward a mere “perception of enthusiasm”. (Sounds like a Larry David spin-off show.)]

Jan Perry: It should be a catalytic project for activating the surrounding streets [you mean congest them with gridlock traffic (see Century City), improving and enhancing the appeal of the convention center worldwide. It should increase our convention business enormously. It’s a critical project that we must get built. [I didn’t “Convention Business” showed up as any of the solutions in all those Ad Hoc Reports on crime, homelessness, traffic and other citywide problems we are trying to solve through prudent city planning. All of these billion dollar projects, built under the guise of “improving and enhancing” (instead of actually solving) …

Q: Jan, your council office has been incredibly successful in advancing the renaissance of downtown, but what have you not been as able to do re development?

CM Perry (YUK!): The biggest loss has been our inability to develop long-term and permanent housing for people who are homeless. For example, tying together the high level of development activity on the Figueroa corridor, using that tax increment within the boundaries of the area to create a lot of new construction. I’m not talking about transitional hosing. I’m talking about long-term housing to give people some stability in their lives. [Yeah, and I don’t see how any of this addresses any of that?]

Q: Two last questions. What is reasonable time-line for building out L.A. Live?

CM YUK: Well, I think you can use the first Staples Center project as a benchmark for how long it takes AEG to do construction. I believe that project was done in two years or less. [Yeah, Jan, but that was just one building, although a big one. This is like the Universal City Walk, plus housing and hotels? Why are you using apples for an oranges timeline? And that was then…skyrocketing cost will continue to cause these projects to become expensive bridges, burning behind you. Hope it doesn’t catch you, and shut down the projects. After all, look at the Los Angeles Children’s Museum. Couldn’t even get that done without City Council having to approve an emergency “loan”.]

Q: In the next mayoral campaign, what should the candidates be addressing?

YUK: Economic development—bringing projects online that will create a larger market for jobs at all levels and making sure we keep pace with this emerging market for housing. We also must look at the city’s infrastructure, what needs to be done and how to pay for it. [I agree, we should do that, no these (Grand/Live).]
City requirements dictate that AEG include a 20% affordable housing component in the project. To meet that, AEG has given $8 million to the YWCA [How will the other religions feel about giving the money to another religious organization. After all, it is a “Christian” Association] to develop a new campus for their Job Corps facilities and 200 two-bedroom apartments for very low-income program participants. The seven-story, $43 million structure will rise on the block bounded by 12th, Pico, Figueroa and Flower. An additional $2 million CRA grant helped acquire the land. [City money for private project, y’all!?!? I wanna sit on there whenever I want!]

RE: GRAND In April, 2006, the Mayor unveiled Phase 1 of this $2 billion project, which began construction in 2006 and ends in 2010.

GRAND AVENUE PROJECT

You may have heard of the $2 Billion plus (and rising) Downtown CRA mixed use project called, LA LIVE. (A Ritz Carlton Condo/Hotel, Marriott Hotel, PF Changs, Movie Theaters, Specialty Retail and open space. [If you are a rich billionaire visiting from Asia, you will love investing in this area! If you are a business or organization planning a convention near the convention center, well you better try Vegas, this will price the city right out of the ballpark!]

Plus a few other minor issues I am concerned about: Like the fact that there is no wat the City can be serious about thinking they can build another Universal City Walk Type project near Staples Center. They might be able to get some of it approved and built, but this is "pie-in-the-sky" fantasy land talk.

So just when you think there isn't enough demand for more five start hotels, luxury condos (instead of a range of affordable, middle and upper level residential housing for workers in the area), you forgot to factor in the fact that there is another OVER $2 billion five star hotel, luxury condo, specialy retail, restaurant and open space project to compete with the minimal demand. It's called...drumroll please...because it really deserves a prodigious, magestic, regal, fantastic, tribute of an introduction...

ELI BROAD & CORPORATE WELFARE FUNDSUCKERS INC'S...GRAND AVENUE PROJECT!!!

THE SAVIOR OF THE CITY, REGION AND WORLD!!! We are just lucky to have it. (Or at least have the approval to start spending the money!) Wikipedia on Grand Ave Project

I'm sure you will be reading much more about the overall details of the project (specifics of what it includes, business plan, comments from experts and community leaders, and the whole enchilada. Because how could you not? It's the biggest, most interspicably intertwined project in City, State or US History. Because you have the CRA, City Council, County -- AND, a private developer, Related Co. (working with CALPER, the pension money people who fund MacFarlane, who work with Related) ALL coming together for this one massive project, that has part of the details, sort of worked out...and they'll figure out the rest as they go along. (A $2 billion dollar starting point of a "wink and a handshake" to allow everyone to start spending and making the money!)

The city can barely agree on filling a pothole, but this “most complicated project ever” requires the CRA, County, City Council and Related Co. (the developer) to all agree.

They already had to go back and add over $100 million for construction due to rising construction costs (and those are only going to continue to rise, in part due to cement shortages due to massive construction around the globe).

OH MY GOODNESS...IT SAYS, “The critical goal of this Project from it’s inception has been to create the civic park for all Angelinos to enjoy." You mean to tell me creating of a park we already have is THE critical goal? Man, nice priorities. I guess skid row is less important than creating a park. This critically needed park is described as festivals, concerts, markets, but most importantly and most critically, “passive recreation.”

It will provide an “oasis” for residents, workers and tourists. How about an AD HOC committee addressing, “The critical need to create an oasis for passive recreation.”

“The reinvention of a much underutilized and inaccessible open space is one of the most significant community benefits that will result from the project.” (If you want to do that, you don’t have to spend $2 billion and give away the farm, I mean city. Meanwhile, if that’s one of the most significant benefits, I am not impressed.)

Shade, dining and entertainment are also noted benefits. (Shade, I’ll say…see EIR report. And if there is ONE thing this city is lacking, it’s dining and entertainment. I’m not at all concerned about the demand for this project!)

The plan is proud to describe the amenities as BOTIQUE RESTARAUNTS AND SPECIALY SHOPS. That ain’t public benefit, y’all…

Second and third phases will be implemented as market conditions warrant. YIKES! What if they don’t. NOW WE’RE STUCK WITH A GIANT VERSION OF THE CHILDRENS MUSEUM BUT WAY WORSE!

Did I see the original start date was set for Dec '06, but had to be pushed back nearly a year, to Oct '07 -- and is subject to further extention and delays throughout the three phases? GOOD! That should allow plenty of time for construction costs to continue to skyrocket.

Part of the problem why the date was pushed back already is over the slight problem that the project is so complicated, they already can't agree on things/hammer out phase one details (see page 12); and they need more time to get the entitlements. (I’m building a new football stadium for Councilmember Parks, I just have to work out those details, too.)

Regarding the County office building that may, or may not, have to be demolished and rebuilt itself (so they are waiting to see what happens there, even though they are going ahead with the park) -- status went from “not been specifically addressed” to “County may exercise option and notify related. (Notify them that they are screwed, and need to demolish and rebuild, I guess.)

I hope LACER pension money isn’t being invested into this project, because MacFarlane works with Related Co (the project developers) elsewhere in the city.
And if actually HAD any pension money to invest, I would put in a stipulation that none of it may be invested in this risky, speculative, un-necessary project, with only detail for one (of three phases) worked out, and no guarantee that the project has enough funding to even be completed. (And all kinds of loopholes that allow developers to "filp" the project to new operators, once any part (office, housing, retail) is completed -- AND allows developers to scale back on the number of affordable housing units required.

Why pension money is risky investment: The City is tied in to the success or failure of this project with the private developers (Related) for the term of the 99 year lease. If construction costs over-run, the City gets hit, if we can’t find someone to build the five star Mandarin Hotel (and there is concern that we may not find someone willing to build more luxury hotel accommodations in the area, the city takes a hit. (See Bonneventure) If retail revenues and occupancy rates do not generate to the levels promised, the city takes a hit (because what we gave was based on what we expected to take in).

What if the project never even gets completed? With only phase one agreed to, and even that has not been executed, who’s to say people can’t drop out, default, or what if City money doesn’t come through?

ALSO, look how Related was selected as the developer by the Grand Authority (summary, page 3) Wonder what interests those selected to sit on the board (who selected the NY based company) had.

I also see in the summary that the project was approved for Related to be the developer, then substituted Related, with a spin-off company (GALA, Grand Ave LA) as developer, which is Related; plus CIUP (the CALPER pension people). [OH NO...CALPER IS THE PENSION FUND PEOPLE WHO INVEST IN MACFARLANE. PENSION FUND ALERT, Y'ALL!!! PENSION FUND ALERT!!! It says, “This was essentially the formal approval of the initial team selected. (Really, well what “un-essentials” were left out. (The City and ZD seem to differ on what is essential, and what isn’t.)

The "speculated" project cost already went up from $1.8 billion to $2.5, they haven't even started yet, and construction ain’t getting any cheaper.

The City is supposed to run municipal services for the City and help keep it ticking. Not use City funds (general and possibly pension) to invest in a forced, private project with no real benefit to the community, decided by a select few.

They say affordable housing is part of it, but the money they are using was allocated for this anyway. So we aren’t getting any extra affordable housing – we’re just letting them develop it.

It says, “permit change in net revenue sharing formula IF PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT ARE NOT DEVELOPED".

Developer can transfer it’s interests hotel, condos, office, retail to another operator once completed and enter into a direct ground lease with the new operator. The highest price speculate and “flip” in human history.

Funding plans include “potential” parking revenues -- and CRA Bunker Hill tax increment funds TO THE EXTENT AVAILABLE. (And if no parking revenue, since it is only “potential” and if the tax funds are not EXTENSIVE enough, then what…Is Eli Broad gonna panhandle for the money like everyone else in the area?)

ALERT ALERT: If developer does not receive CRA tax increment money for the agreed upon affordable housing (like, if they don’t have it) – they may reduce the amount of affordable housing units. Watch them not have it, and then we don't get the affordable part -- only the un-affordable part…(Price is Right ‘loser’ deflated sound effect…Whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp…whoooooooomp.)

During the term of the ground lease, they cannot convert the affordable housing to condos. But after the lease expires, kick out all the affordable residents and convert em to billion dollar condos. (Man does someone hope they have to break the lease, cause them it won’t be the term no more, y’all and they can get started with the luxury condo conversions.)

The affordable housing covenant only remains in effect for a minimum of 45 years for owners and 55 years for renters, so that means you can forget the covenant as soon as the minimum is up.

I bet people in the rest of the city won’t be too happy about the early notification and first opportunity to apply if you are a “local” worker. Plus 30% of workers are required to be local. If I lived in the valley and wanted work on the project, I would move into the area for preferential hiring. Therefore, taking residents and workers out of the other areas, and hurting their economy.

Anyway, sounds like a rock-solid plan and puts the most valuable land in the City to the best possible use, for actual community benefit, it looks like to me. If Downtown is having the types of problems that causes skid row to continue to thrive...I think this is the perfect solution!

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18 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Does anyone in his right mind really want to see a "huge compilation of a ZD legislative review of both projects" yet again? Maybe if no one takes the bait to tell him he's an idiot and illiterate fool, this will stay blank like ZD's mind. (Well, actually that is way too cluttered with idiocy, but it's empty of substance.)

August 08, 2007 8:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, genius, I think you've finally got it.

No one really gives a rat's ass about what you say, write, dance, sing or blog.

The electeds care about getting reelected, and they do so with people who support them, not people who take them on frontally.

This is not just endemic to Los Angeles, it is a systemic axiom that any of us in this game know and accept.

The fact that you don't gets you three or four yoho's who think you might actually have stumbled onto something, but think about it, if they need YOU, an uneducated, inexperineced yoho yourself to reveal this mystery to them, how powerful or influential can they be?

You are preaching to other homeless or near homeless, losers like yourself, who make no difference at all.

Your life is futility. Go back to the boardwalk where you can make a little difference.

August 08, 2007 8:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Zuma,

You are right on track with Grand Avenue, except you may miss 2 or 3 things. But you are right on target with many issues.

The port incident shows that someone desperately tries to preserve MAV’s image. MAV is still needed to finish pushing the Grand Avenue project (with more subsidies...) That is why he is still in office. Otherwise, he may not have much redeeming value, and LAT may have asked for his resignation already.

August 08, 2007 9:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who really cares what the LA Times asks for?

They are so in trouble already, all they need to do is take on that losing proposition to show how really impotent they have become.

That former powerhouse is like an old man trying to get it up...it is pitiful.

Nope, Antonio is here for the duration; before Salinas, he might have moved to Sacramento in four years; for now, figure he's here six more for sure.

ZD's calling for his resignation, or a recall, ala Jack Weiss will have the same effect as the present effort; a fizzle out.

Get used to it, MAV is here to stay.

August 08, 2007 10:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I saw an internal memo from the LAT head of circulation desk, that they've had 74 million email hits this year, up 16% from same time last year. Doesn't sound like they're dying to me. No one else comes close and they are an international paper, too.

August 08, 2007 11:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:28pm,

Thanks. Here's something not in the thread that is important:

The Grand Avenue Project deal has City Council making State decisions with the CRA over things like the State park. That's illegal, according to attorney Chris Sutton, who appeared on the record before council to notify them of this legal "glitch".

And isn't it true that if a Councilmember recieves, or has received campaign contributions from developers or involved parties of this project;

a) They should have had to recused themself from the vote to approve the project, which was pass unanonymously by Council. (So that must mean no one took any contributions from Eli, Related, or others tied into the project, if this premise is correct. (Can anyone verify or discount this?)

b) All expenditures over $25,000 must be approved by Council, as well, so shouldn't they have to recuse themself from these votes as well, if they took money from involved parties who they are approving?

Now none of these issues factor into my opinion as to whether this is the right project for the city at this time or not.

But I know ONE thing...if we're spending all this time and money on this...all those dull, droning, boring "Oh no, not Parks" voices are going off in my head thinking of all the money to be wasted in legal challenges that the city would lose and could delay the project, driving up costs even further.

So the issue as to whether we should have done this is one thing, but as long as a couple billionaires have already decided we ARE doing it...YOU better do it right. At least they are using union workers, which will insure all workers on the project are properly documented.

So you are saying they are keeping Antonio around cause he's gotta get this project done? How hilarious that I took one look at it and felt it was the biggest bamboozle this side of the LA River.

August 08, 2007 11:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey! Someone wanted you to know that I deleted this:

Anonymous said...

This idiot really IS deleting posts again. I saw two in reply to 8:51: one, that the dogg could make a differnce by becoming a professional hostage in Darfur, like Mia Farrow wants to be, sacrificing his freedom for that of one whose life matters;

the other advised (wisely) that he could set up a flea market table in front of the now-vacant Home Depot building in S-T, and sell cheap lingerie until they can get a K-Mart. Poster helpfully added that Matt Dowd could go along and sell his incense, so the two of them could be palatable enough.
[WOW! YOU SURE HAD THOSE MEMORIZED! I THINK THAT WAS A WORD FOR WORD RECREATION! YOU MUST HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY. Because you didn't say you copied and pasted it, you are recanting. Pretty tight!]

Now, with two really constructive suggestions like that, why is zume so insecure that he has to delete?

Believe me, zuma, they're the most constructive suggestions you'll get since as 8:51 says, the three or four yoyos who actually look to you for how to think, can't help you.

August 08, 2007 11:02 PM

END OF IMPORTANT COMMENT THAT I DELETED! [HEY, maybe you can use that for your opposition research piece you are putting together for when I run for the special mayor election when Antonio vacates the positon. (I didn't SAY he was going to resign!)

First of all, I don't care if people see this...but it was up there mixed in with some other substantive comments. And who says any blog has to allow anyone and everyone to post unlimited amounts of non-substantive comments? Not all blogs even allow comments. (I know, I know, that's what I do at City Council. Sorry Charlie, if ZD is off topic the mic is cut off -- AND, I am limited to a few minutes a day. Is anyone on these blogs limited in the number of comments they can make?

So first of all, to clarify, if those insightful comments were a little lower down, I wouldn't have even deleted them, BUT, they were clogging up some substantive comments -- there was some other ridiculous personal criticism, but at least there was a vapor of redemption.

Take a look at the other criticisms I left up, as opposed to those which I deleted because this is a thread for dialouge about these projects. And there are some comments about some other issues regarding the mayor.

[Aren't you impressed with him. Aren't you shocked and outraged at me. Haven't you finally decided you are never reading this blog again over it?]

August 08, 2007 11:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why do you keep saying WE are doing this and that when it comes to downtown development or anything else (and railing against a park seems especially bizarre)? Do you even pay taxes anywhere? Having no fixed domicile (being homeless) and with a van that apparently doesn't work since you take the bus downtown, and therefore probably is not registered let alone insured: what taxes do you pay? Your t-shirt "business" seems cash-only, and I doubt anyone is paying you to turn up and annoy people at City Hall.

This is a valid question, not trying to put you down, but if you pay no taxes, why are you so worked up over everything, and just what stake do you have in anything? And don't repeat that because you have no roots or tangible stake in the city, you can be more objective.

You have to have an investment in something in order to understand what it means for people who DO.

August 08, 2007 11:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

People get annoyed by deletions not so much because some deleted things are important or not, but because it raises questions -- better to leave in things you may find irrelevant, than to raise questions about how much you are editing and trying to turn the discussion in your favor.
(Except of course, libelous things.)

August 08, 2007 11:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it a conflict of interest for an salaried LAPD Sergeant to Moonlight as a DEA?

Those who have been following the Medical Marijuana Dispensary issue may have heard about the recent co-op bust in which LAPD Sergeant Dennis Packard assisted in the effort as a DEA agent.

The initial concern was that since these dispensaries are legal under city and state law, the city police department may not assist in this Federal matter. (Since the Federal government does not recognize these state and local laws, they can swoop in at any time and raid.)

And when this conflict was raised by some members of the public before Los Angeles City Council, during last week’s discussion of the new City moratorium, banning any new co-ops from opening until they sort out a few regulatory issues, it was clarified for the people that Sergeant Packard is also a trained DEA agent; was in DEA gear and acting as a Federal agent.

First of all, I’m not thrilled to hear that DEA agents get 25% of the money seized in the bust. Sounds like a commission. Should law enforcement agents really be on commission for this type of job? If the police bust a criminal that stole someone’s wallet, should the police get to keep 25% of the victim’s money? Or should all of it be returned to the victim? Well, if someone or something (like a co-op) is busted, that means there was a crime committed, so that means there was a victim. Hey, if the bust isn’t big enough, why even show up for work that day. Just wait for a bigger bust for a bigger payday, or just go out and make a bust if you need some spare cash.

Now you would have to be pretty corrupt to behave this way, however you sure do remove a lot of the motivation for corruption if there is no commission to be had. Also, smaller shops might go “un-busted”, while the bigger co-ops (therefore serving more people) are at bigger risk of a bust.

As an LAPD Sergeant, Packard (and any others who might pull double duty) is on salary, receives benefits, workers compensation which is all paid for by city taxpayers, while working with the DEA on this bust. The money for gas purchased to drive to the location was mentioned as well. The total cost was estimated at $3900 according to sources.

If he sprained his ankle walking in the door and required medical assistance, who would be paying his workers comp and related costs? As a full-time salaried employee, could the City be required to pick up the tab? If you are paid by LA City as a salaried Sergeant, isn’t that a 24 hour a day, seven day a week on-call job? What if he was called to his LAPD gig during the DEA bust? Would he walk out on the bust, or would he keep the City of Los Angeles who is paying his salary (and the crime) waiting? (Some would probably stick with the DEA bust, because that’s a commissioned gig, and the LA City problem isn’t.)

And I would hate to see the City get sued by one of these dispensaries if it is true that as LAPD, it is a conflict of interest to work for the DEA at the same time (in this full time, salaried position with the City). Because if it is true that a conflict prevent this DEA moonlighting, that could be considered criminal trespassing as soon as you walk through the door and start “busting”.

Any merit to these concerns? I would hate to see people’s rights violated by our own community (LAPD) which would put the city at great legal and financial risk, too.

And at the end of the day, don’t we have enough DEA agents and not enough LAPD?

August 08, 2007 11:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm pretty sure it's legal for cops to moonlight: they do it to protect movie location sets, and so on. But the DEA/LAPD issue is interesting, as it's two different law enforcement agencies. I doubt it's illegal, but as with Zine telling Laura Chick, "in politics, perception becomes reality."

This cop is not a politician, but since these DEA busts are a matter of dispute, Zine should advise him to not participate in the future, not to put the city in this position.

August 08, 2007 11:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ZD is na insecure defeated crybaby loser who deletes anything that he cannot refute.

He is a worthless piece of shit.

August 09, 2007 1:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Zine is a moron and no one should ask him anything that requires him to think because he doesn't have a brain he can use. To the complainer 11;43am I love how you guys come out always slamming LAPD saying, " he's on salary, receives benefits, workers compensation which is all paid for by city taxpayers,

Yeah asshole and he also gets shot at, assaulted, spit on, threatened, called names etc. all in the name to protect and serve complainers like you.

August 09, 2007 6:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

There used to be a man named Howard Watts who showed up at CRA Commission meetings in a T-shirt saying "CRA - Rich Man's Welfare" in red letters about 3" high.

Amen, Mr. Watts.

August 09, 2007 8:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

11:05, the reason for the high track is soley direct to reading the paper for free. the la times is nothing but rag and a joke. thank god for the daily news and z-dog.

August 09, 2007 10:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It seems not a single person posted on your alleged topic, since you've tried to drum up interest about your brilliant take on this in too many threads, and never had anything to say, anyway. Now you want people to give you ideas on how to think...well that's a step up, but take the hint.

August 09, 2007 5:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ZD, when you are ready to think for yourself, we'll let you know.

In the meantime, enjoy the van, bonging with Matt, and begging the coffee, food and gas money.

Don't worry, help is on the way; look for the guys in white with the backwards shirt.

August 09, 2007 6:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just don't understand. Gentlemen, I am one of the few metro riders/carless of los angeles. I have seen all of downtown, good, bad, human feces and all from the ground floor.

I can't say I understand all that you are angry at, but I know a few things:
1) you cannot stop progress. And what los angeles' downtown needs is progress like La Live ( i never said progress was tasteful )

2) at the same time, you MUST stop corruption and excess spending. I don't understand why the company that received the right to build all of this isn't forced to utilized outside companies for at least 20% - 30% of it's labor. That would allow them to make some extra money while "spreading the wealth" among the rest of the ( i guess like ) businesses. If not to stop corruption, but to guarantee that businesses are funded and kept busy by such civic processes.

I don't think lowest bidder is the best way to go, i think the bidder best able to spread the wealth in the community should be given the lead role.

Don't complain about the look or design, all of that changes. You know that the shops will change too.

Think of it as finally taking downtown los angeles one step closer to being what it should be, a massive well oiled metropolitan land of cool stuff and great people (i know, it's all in my head, but damn it all, in the last 9 months of no car, i've met some wonderful people, neither wealthy nor poor, just good, hard working people)



just answer me this one question, why did they put a soda machine at the pershing square metro if you are not able to drink on the train?

thanks again

RP

August 10, 2007 6:15 AM  

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