Illegal Vending Allowed To Spread Throughout Los Angeles Under Villaraigosa: A threat to safety and economy other U.S. Mayors wouldn't allow
Illegal Vending: A safety and economic threat Villaraigosa is allowing in a U.S. marketplace.
Now that street vendors are popping up in greater numbers and in new areas throughout the Streets of Los Angeles; what impact will this have on the Los Angeles business, safety and health?
If you take a look around the City, you may notice a new wave of underground economy taking to the streets of Los Angeles: Street vending. It’s a lot of fun…like the world’s biggest flea market, each and every day, right there with no frills, no overhead and no safety or accountability.
All at a time when business owners are hit with skyrocketing operating expenses, in a recession-teetering economy, where restaurant and retail owners have to compete with the mega-centers on one end, and business owners in Los Angeles must also compete with anyone in the world who wants to come to America and set up shop, anywhere on the sidewalk, and sell anything you want, like food or illegally pirated and bootlegged merchandise flown in from overseas by terrorists or whoever decides they want to make beau coup dollars illegally while, undermining the U.S. economy.
And these business owners not only face higher operating expenses on the job, among the new illegal flank attack on the tax revenue generating business, products and services that drive this city and its economy; but when they get home they have to pay their bulky item fee, solid waste fee, trash collection fee, higher gas taxes, and all the other homeowner related increases and innovations of “personal wealth reduction management” that the City, County and State politicians are so good at.
Under Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the city has seen a widespread increase in the number of vendors on the streets and where you are seeing them.
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In Chinatown, I asked the grocery market owner if the person with the fruit stand in front of his door was part of his store? (It looked like an outdoor display that stores set-up to try to entice customers.)
The store owner shook his head and said, “No”. It’s just something you have to live with I guess. Since the illegal fruit vendor was all set up and cutting off business at the pass.
East L.A., Downtown, South L.A.: On Crenshaw Blvd it looks like a giant flea market, right there on the street, selling any type of bootleg/pirated merchandise, while undercutting the stores they are set up in front of.
And we all know about the Venice Beach vending struggle between the beach vendors and the City of Los Angeles who has banned some first amendment protect items and is being worked out in Federal Court as we speak.
However, the vending mentioned in this article is not that kind of vending. At Venice, the vendors paid a fee, were issued licenses and the area is zones for beach side vending in the painted spaces.
However, I started to notice the previous lower economic area “illegal vending” dispersing to areas I was not used to seeing. For example Venice Beach boardwalk itself. Now I’ve seen a lot of different and unique things sold on the boardwalk.
But one thing that is certainly not allowed to be sold is food. So after fighting for the right to put first amendment items back on the beach, like the tshirts, incense and jewelry people were prevented from selling by police, and after others received tickets and jail time for vending items only to be told by a Federal judge that the City was wrong in the first place, imagine how I felt when I see people cutting up fruit and selling it on the boardwalk?
EXCUSE ME? WHERE’S THE ENFORCEMENT? Can’t sell incense or a t shirt, but FOOD is O.K., right there on the sandy beach boardwalk?
Homie don’t play that. Hey Villaraigosa: Get those f*cking fruit vendors off the beach! What the hell is wrong with you? You arrest people for selling an incense or zuma dogg tshirt, but you will allow anyone to sell food, which opens up some health and safety issues, since I didn’t see the health code rating or any permits on the dirty beach where she was cutting up fruit over the garbage can.
But what triggered this article and outrage over Villaraigosa’s hypocrisy that prevented me and my friends from selling on Venice Beach, after the city sold us permits, while letting every illegal immigrant do whatever they want, wherever they want anywhere across the city occurred today: As I walked through the same parking lot I’ve walked through every morning, in the Venice area, I noticed one of those food trucks you are used to seeing on Hollywood movie shoots. You know, the roach coaches.
As I get closer, although there are people in the lot, it didn’t really look like a movie set, just a roach coach parked in the middle of the parking lot with a bunch of people waiting for the food. There was a cashier with a little table set up in the parking lot.
So I ask the cashier, “Is this private, or for anyone?” She replied, “For Anyone, what would you like?”
Well although I was hungry, I kinda lost my appetite, because I was stressed out over a few things. What if someone has an accident while working on the food truck, or one of the customers has an accident? As the property owner, I wouldn’t be too happy if there was an accident involving people running a food service operation in my parking lot. It is a parking lot, what if a car hits someone while they are patronizing the “establishment”. (Well, it’s not exactly an establishment, though. It’s not established. It just pulls up for the money, then pulls away afterward.)
That’s why we don’t operate businesses in parking lots. It’s a safety hazard. The flies on the plate sitting on the table in front of the cashier were free of charge.
And what effect is this going to have on the economy. The donut shop, convenience fooed market, Chinese fast food restaurant, burger shop, even gas station snack food sales will all take a hit as a result of the underground economy that will undermine any serious attempt to revitalize the City.
HEY ANTONIO: Are you anything BUT a hypocrite? I see no evidence of anything else. But let me tell you this, my friend. You are mayor in a city that is located in the United States of America. And it appears, if you look around the city, you need to be reminded of that.
Now ZD is a passionate pragmatist, so let me say, if you are talking about having a food truck show up at a construction site, where you have a bunch of workers, a little too far from the nearest food outlet, who need fast service during lunch hours and doesn’t have time to walk back and forth, well, I’m o.k. with that!
But not right on the sidewalk in front of the doors and parking lots of the retail outlets the city is taxing and fee hiking in the face of increased competition not only from the mega-stores, but now from anyone who feels like doing whatever they want, wherever they want. Unless it’s on Venice Beach. Then you will be ticketed and sent to jail.
HEW ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA…CLEAN UP THE F*CKING ILLEGAL VENDING THAT IS UNDERMINING THE ACTUAL U.S. ECONOMY AND START ACTING LIKE A U.S. MAYOR.
Even though it won’t be for much longer!
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Posted by Zuma Dogg @ 8/09/2007 04:57:00 PM
43 Comments:
can't read this, another long rant that creates a headache just looking at it. But it strikes me as curious that we have one illegal street vendor calling out some others.
Food trucks may be an annoyance but they have been around for decades, set up wherever there is construction going on, even in the best neighborhoods. Biggest problem is the litter, from customers who don't clean up and leave trash in front of people's houses. But has nothing to do with Antonio, so again, you're barking up the wrong tree, dogg.
Cutting up fruit does sound unclean, third-world, you've got one issue there I think. Cooked food served hot is something else.
MEMO TO 5:27 PM,
First, Villar as a "MOMENTARY COUNCILMAN", ignor the pleas of the Boyle Heights Chamber of Commerce to crack down on illegal merchants.
Second 5:19 PM,
At least Zuma had respect to stand by the legal decision pending appeal. Further, I will state that Zuma, Matt, and others were racially single out while illegal vendors downtown threw things at the police that were enforcing the law.
"Won't be for much longer," because zuma dogg himself will run for Mayor or otherwise, Walter Moore will, and they will kick his butt!
Zuma Puppy,
Here is food for thought you need to find a job. Why dont you just start as a food vendor and work your way up just like other entreprenurs have.
Blaming our Midget Mayor for everything that you do not like is nonsense.
You need to Stop Bitching and Complaining.
The Mayor actually is amused by your charisma maybe you should apply for a job at his office they GOFER positions available.
When Villaraigosa was representing CD14 there was a proliferation of street vendors in the district. But then again, he wasn't interested in his council district but only in his own ambition - campaigning for John Kerry all over the country and then all over the city for himself.
zuma, werent you an illegal street vendor for a while?
The thing is, LAPD has it in for ZD and Matt. They just plain piss them off, big time.
Go sell in a different clown suit and see what happens; what's the worst it an be? You get busted and get three squares a day and deloused.
Go for it, ZD. You have nothing else useful to do with your time.
I agree that this isn't directly due to how Villar thinks, but rather the fact that a big, intact chunk of Latin America (salmonella and all) has transplanted itself into the area in the past 10-15 years,
Zumma,
You are just now noticing this? You must not get around Downtown, East and South Los Angeles, there have been street vendors for decades in many area of Los Angeles.
If you are ever on Sixth Street between Alvarado Street and Union Street it is one very long swap meet on Sixth Street.
There are also caterings trucks all over Los Angeles (especially by night clubs or bars) selling $1.00 tacos which are parked day and night in the same spot. The police this year cracked down on street vendors in the garment district, but not all over the city. The record industry subsidized the police to stop the selling of pirated music and movies. I used to easily find $5.00 DVDs on the street now I have to ask for them.
You are right that this would and does not happen in other cities such as Burbank, Glendale or Pasadena. You also don’t have the quantity of gang shootings and murders like Los Angeles in other cities either.
Sixth street is a complete abomination unto the civilized world.
5:19pm, I have never been an illegal vendor? The City of Los Angeles sold me a permit and assigned me a legal space each week. When they put a ban on shirts (which was obviously illegal for the city to have done, because they are back on the beach because a judge told the city the f-ed up and better fix it and put the stuff back until you do - aka ZD/Dowd/Hunt were right. Dumb ass Mark Brown (not even as smart as the Venice Stooges) and the sucker mayor and councilosers who were too dumb to do the research that ZD did on the internet, to lead me to believe that the ban was unconstitutional, and I was in chambers the next day. But this wasnt' about knowledge of the law, because I found out Viagraosa and Shitty Council violated City, State and Federal law all the time, and now "The Zuma Dogg Show" on public access has been pre-empted by "ZD-TV 35". HA! We never should have been there once!
And I never sold once the ban was in effect and never got a ticket.
SO READERS, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT 5:19pm may be considered a factual liar! I was never one illegal street vendor. I should delete your comment for being libelous, you loserous.
5:27pm, Don't just focus on the food trucks, look at the whole picture. it has gotten out of control since Villaraigosa. He should not be allowing this to happen. AND, didn't you see I said trucks at construction sites are o.k. with ZD! (Please take a look. Of course the litter is one thing, but I don't have a problem with the concept. In other words, i am not going to complain about saftey issues (not in a retail parking lot) and not taking business from stores by being inside store front door ways and sidewalks.
And 5:44pm, this isn't about ZD's employment. If I had a billion dollars and wanted to see Los Angeles have a shot of achieveing what it is setting out to accomplish...in other words, if you care about the city's future, this is somethng that must be addressed. How do you think it looks when all these people from China and Asia flying in to buy all these condos no one else in the city can afford, see a third world country on the streets and side walks. They know it means a two-class system, third world economy that is NOT the place to be investing. They already know the way this story ends, because they have already done what the city is doing, now.
And it means a two-class system that is going to be very congested according to yesterday's LA Times article that was a nice recap of my "the sky is falling" cries over the past year, that the other newspapers and politicians themselves now admit is true. (That the plan is to create so much density, that will create so much traffic, people will be begging to vote for billions and billions in transportation bonds to pay for it all. Even though it will take so long, none one paying in will even reap the relief of the added infrastructure and public transpo, because it will take 35 years to make it all happen.
AND REALLY, Y'ALL KNOW PEOPLE AIN'T GONNA BE HOPPING OUT OF THEIR CARS AND TAKING THE BUS. It ain't gonna happen. You know that! There is still way too much walking for most, and the busses are too crowded and your average working professional you are expecting won't be caught dead taking the bus, because that's how they fear they WILL be caught. And if not, it's still way too much hassle.
So the illegal vending, non-profit bamboozle, that ties into LAUSD Charter school money hijack attempt, and the overall privatization of public money, land and trust is the big stuff that is weakening the economy, safety and quality of this city.
And if you know what you are talking about when you say, "The Mayor actually is amused by your charisma", then thanks! I feel the same way about him too, even though I'm sure he is no fan of MY efforts any more than I am a fan of HIS. I do WANT to like the guy. I feel kinda bad using some of the tone i use in the thread, when I said it a little nicer, here in the comment section. But the passion and spirit expressed in the thread (o.k., anger and slams) represents the way a lot of people feel. People know I have been toning down on delivery some, even though sometimes there is still a need to add a little "bark" to the message. But the mayor supporters at city hall know i don't like saying the real mean and nasty, personal stuff. But, I DO think the guy is charming, yet pretty nefarious in his actions, at the same time.
The guy comes off empathetic. And I hear all the nightmare stories about him. So Tony, if I could just aks you...you know what's up! You could do few things, bro to help make it look like you are a good tipper. (Give a little back to the community as you are transfering the funds out of the people's trust and into your cronies personal trust.)
I know you think allowing illegal vending all over the city is a compassion move to help people be able to make a meager living.
But there does seem to be a concern that you are overly sympathetic to their cause as elected mayor of the city.
I know you want all these people to make an underground living off the street, live off the system as much as possible, vote on all tax hikes for the wealthy to pay for more social services...
but you aren't helping these people either. These are all band aids, when you need a tourniquite.
Remeber, you're talking to the guy who likes venice, olvera street, i love those food carts and bootleg shirts and good deals, and your helping regular people, not corporations and if I would LOVE the atmosphere all the street vending provides.
But as a blogger or speaker, I try and spin the position that I at least FEEL is best for the city at the big picture, long term level.
And Antionio ain't it. The thing I truly, truly wonder...
If you could hand Antonio an easy instruction manual on how to fix the city and make it perfect, but it would include having to cut back on the corruption by 25%, do you think he would do it?
I seriously think these guys just wake up every day toward the goal of "hacking" into the coffer system. I mean, is it ONLY incompetence...or is it nefarious as well.
Maybe next time I bump into mi amigo at City Hall on free food day, he can try and spin me.
First, if you are willing to buy from these people or worse, eat food from one of them, you deserve what you get.
I am not surprised that you are seeing just more pro-mexican, anti-American BS from Villar and his gang of enemy agents from Mexico, but I must ask - ARE THAT ASSHOLE AND HIS GANG S-T-I-L-L AROUND?? YOU MEAN THEY HAVEN'T RESIGNED YET???
Can you really blame us for not wanting to leave our comfortable cars and ride in a bus with a stinky, unshaven varmit who reeks?
Imagine having to ride a bus from the beach to downtown on a hot summer day next to ZD and smell him and listen to his sing-song ranting.
I rest my case.
the Asians will feel right at home, if you'd ever been to any Chinese or other asian city, you'd know. Except for Japan, from where I've seen tourists literally hold their noses. And even in Little Tokyo they don't allow that stuff nearby. Maybe the store owners who don't like vendors ruining their business should also organize, like the Japanese. But this has been going on for decades, way before the mayor.
6:51pm,
O.K. It's been happening for decades. But has it not been increasing in numbers and spreading to areas it has never been. That was the point of this post. I couldn't believe I saw a lady selling fruit she is cutting over a garbage can. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT. AND YOU SEE PEOPLE SELLING ICE CREAM ON THE BOARDWALK...WHEN THAT'S SOMETHING THE STORES CAN SELL THAT VENDORS CANNOT. (The store's competitive advantage.)
And this parking lot in a nice retail complex: I have never seen this. If you can be honest in your reply...has it, or has it not gotten more dense on the streets and in more areas?
When you say, "it has always been here" are you saying it's wrong, but just not antonio's problem becasue no one else did anything about it?
Well that MIGHT be acceptable if the problem wasn't escalating and I don't think it's a fad (which goes away), looks like a trend (which is long term and lasting)...
Unless the mayor decides to be like Barney Fyfe and "Nip it in the bud! Nip it, nip it, nip it, nip it!"
August 09, 2007 6:51 PM
Well that is because the Japanese are civilized.
So once again, Zuma scoops a story that's been happening gradually over more than 20-30 years, and blames it squarely on the Mayor.
Okay, as much as I'd like to find new reasons to detest Tony V. I just can't get behind this one.
Ever since we completed construction on our home I'm missing the little Latina that came by and fed the men (and me) the most amazing Burritos ever.
Aye, she even talked with me about the Novellas. Y mi espanol es mas bien.
Oh, my little Latina with the burritos. She was tiny but she packed a lotta love into those things.
8:15pm,
did you see someone else already said that and i replied with this:
When you say, "it has always been here" are you saying it's wrong, but just not antonio's problem becasue no one else did anything about it?
Well that MIGHT be acceptable if the problem wasn't escalating and I don't think it's a fad (which goes away), looks like a trend (which is long term and lasting)...
Unless the mayor decides to be like Barney Fyfe and "Nip it in the bud! Nip it, nip it, nip it, nip it!"
Does it matter that is has always been here? If you agree it is a problem, and you admit that by saying it has been going on for years, and it is escalating at a rapid rate of progression...
SHOULD HE DO SOMETHING??? WHAT IS HILLARY AND THE INVESTORS FROM CHINA GOING TO SAY ABOUT ALL OF THIS. Create zones and let the good times roll. I pass by the street vendors between City Hall and Ceasar Chavez all the time. That doesn't bother me, because it's not close enough to stores and it's pretty small potatoes stuff, although fun and convienent.
It's part of the problem, too...however in that case, it's helping some folks on both ends of the sale without huge loss because there is not much in the area, relatively speaking. BUT, when you see people with fruit stands in front of food markets selling their own fruit. And trucks setting up restaurants in retail parking lots with multiple food vendors on the same block...you gotta move it off the block.
Meanwhile, like we build affordable housing, how about affordable retail space. More Farmers market style areas, and rows of narrowly divided retail slots like in the wholesale area, or along the venice boardwalk.
Take some parking lot space that these owners are holding until they can develop, and put some flea markets there.
If we are moving to a two class system, or need some LAX Living Wage style compassion who need low end retail and food to match their low end wages...that's fine. And I LOVE the flava and street market vibe. Just like everything else in this City, you gotta regulate it.
zuma dogg said...
O.K. It's been happening for decades. But has it not been increasing in numbers and spreading to areas it has never been. That was the point of this post. I couldn't believe I saw a lady selling fruit she is cutting over a garbage can.
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I was making the point that the street vendor "problem" has been around for years. I sold bootleg 8-track tapes at a swap-meet on the weekends decades ago with no business license. Today in that same city there is no way I could do that. Now you need a business license and a state re-sell number (to pay your taxes) to rent a swap-meet location.
You can’t blame very problem on the midget mayor, we have an immigration problem because businesses want cheap labor and we want cheap products. The immigration problem needed to be addressed at the federal level decades ago.
We as consumers need to stop purchasing products which are not made in America by American workers, but nobody wants to pay $10.00 for a Big Mac and $100.00 for a shirt. I remember the slogan “Buy American” when the Japanese cars first arrived in the states in the 60’s.
The immigrants were coming by the millions and people have been selling in the streets before Mayor V was a politician. I have also seen fruit vendors on the streets of L.A. for decades, I have enjoyed a quite a few coconut cocktails right from a freshly opened coconut.
You can blame the Mayor for sleeping with big construction developers and news reporters.
It is indeed interesting that someone who specialized in selling things on a public sidewalk without paying rent to the detriment of nearby merchants who have to spend big bucks to rent storefronts or vending spaces on private property is suddenly looking out for the interests of the local economy. That rates a big "huh?!" The pot is indeed calling the kettle black...
You are right that this would and does not happen in other cities such as Burbank, Glendale or Pasadena.
I don't know. I live in Pasadena and street vendors are more common here right now than I've ever seen. There's even this guy I drive by frequently on the corner of Monterey Rd. and Garfield in freaking San Marino selling some sort of fruit or something. Weird. I need to tell him sometime that if the Sammarinese wanted to live in Mexico, they wouldn't be living where they are.
9:25pm,
Again...so you're still saying that becasue it didn't start with the mayor, it isn't going to end with the mayor. (Or at least start to end it.) Just do nothing then? Is that what you are saying? The schools have been broken since 8 track tapes, too...but he's sure trying to do something about that. Not enough money in mayoral takeover of the streets though, huh?
I'm gonna take pictures and post it on an LA Tourism site and blog and translate the page into china and asia lanuage.
you just can't run two different strategies during the same play.
In other words, you can't have homeless and vendors turing the streets into a giant third world greatful dead tailgate party -- while you are trying to build a luxury tourist, convention and residential area -- based on international business, with all of this.
It's not going to work like in China and Asia, because LA is too messed up all ready from a zoning, planning and sheer monstrosity of a spread out region. And they aren't evenly distributing things. It'll be all rich in one area, all poor in the other. Meanwhile, you're still gonna have to get from one end of town to the other for work, because who says you can get a job in your area beyone restaurant employee or service industry. Not all teachers, accountants, police, office workers, executives can find those jobs in their area. For example, if you work in the Hollywood industry, not everyone can live near the studio. Not every administrative assistant can live near their Century City office.
So the point is, you can't run two strategies during the same play.
Can't build the dream downtown metropolis they envision, while you cram Tijuana on the sides.
The defeated crybaby loser is still sore about not being able to hawk his dingy tee shirts at Venice Beach.
Everything he does is colored by this truth.
Zuma my friend,
Stop being so politically correct. Just succinctly say that if we deport the illegal peasants from Mexico we'll largely rid the streets of the orange hawkers and salmonella trucks etc. Of course this will never happen as long as the ethnocentric, affirmative action recepient, gang-coddling gigolo buffoon that is Villaraigosa is mayor.
Zuma is right on again. There is a noticeable INCREASE in illegal vending in the past 2 years.
The only economy MVA understands seems to be the economy of miseries. MAV’s comrades and buddies make careers and comfortable living out of making and keeping other people in miseries at increasing numbers. That is their expertise. MAV serves to prolong, deepen and spread such miseries by encouraging more illegal immigration, being lax on illegal vending which destroys other legitimate small businesses, …. among other things.
MAV has been talking, talking and talking down our middle class economy, and seems to be succeeding, unfortunately. His policies, obviously scripted by his boss for him to read repeatedly, have been making the working middle class, medium and small businesses’ livelihoods in our city very difficult.
In the name of helping the poor which always pleases MSM like certain editors at LAT, MAV adopts polices that would BENEFIT only certain big developers, big contractors, big businesses (only those who would hire certain consultants or lobbyists though), and those comrades who pretend to help the poor, AT THE EXPENSES of our city’s middle class, while at the end SHORTCHANGING the poor without actually helping the poor.
And the traffic in our city is getting much worse, not even in a rising economy, but in a declining one! Go figure. And the only thing MAV’s “tiger” teams do are killing the small businesses in small shops along Wilshire, Crenshaw and all over town, by towing away their customers’ cars and scaring all their customers away. And those shop owners have to pay rents unlike the illegal vendors. The shop owners and their customers are literally crying. The MAV’s tiger teams chase those small shop customers away, so they have no choice but would now predictably go to the big chain stores located inside big projects built by big developers hiring you know whose consultant friends.
Please just drive around the city. You would now see many more “for lease” signs outside empty storefronts. The irony is that you would also see some of those illegal vendors right outside the empty stores. They allow illegal vending so that those poor folks can hang around and give MAV more “reasons” to build more projects that are supposedly to help reduce poverty but won’t. Of course not. MAV has been recruiting and spreading poverty to benefit certain people.
Once again, if you are certain big developers, big contractors, big businesses, certain consultants or lobbyists , and those pretending to help the poor, you are fine!
But if you are middle class, medium or small businesses, or those really want to help the poor, you are screwed!
If you are poor, you are being used and screwed.
memo to the world : The City of Los Angeles issued permits to Hunt, Dowd, ZD and others under a fraudulent contract that forced us to accept any future changes.
The first change they made was to outlaw everything we sold.
we proved that particular law unconstitutional.
you get that???
its a crock.
but we beat it. if they want to talk to me, I'll help with a new one , if they want to introduce more ill advised regs, then we'll deal with them ditto.
but get this straight, we were NEVER illegal vendors. we were violated, restrained, and oppressed. fact.
10:23pm,
Ignorant dummy...shirts, incense and that stuff is back. I was on the beach last weekend selling. What's wrong with you. Do you just post to make me look good?
8:56pm said..."Ever since we completed construction on our home I'm missing the little Latina that came by and fed the men (and me) the most amazing Burritos ever."
[HOW MANY F*CKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY...READ THE THREAD...I WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO CLARIFY THAT CONSTRUCTION SITES ARE O.K. IN MY OPINION. I AM TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE!!!
9:45pm, Why should that surprise you? You can't understand because you are a one-track, agendized railroad train. No compassion. No pride. No dignity. Maybe I can sell you that Tshirt. It would fit you perfectly.
10:36pm: Empty stores with illegal vendors in front. So true. Awesome take. Man I wish I knew who you were.
Zuma and matt: you might have had sumpathizers if you hadn't blazed into city hall antagonizing and bad mouthing/ trash-talking every CM and the Mayor
You've got fat, bald Zine, or think you do, and you can have buffoonish-photo-op loudmouth Hahn, but they don't matter, except to each other as a case of "misfits and dummies stick together."
You've "only got one chance to make a first impression," and so you guys are history. Homeless losers, trash-talking losers forever. You blew it.
1:39: "???"
Yeah, I think we should have kept sending polite letters they didn't respond to and leaving phone messages they didn't return. Let's not kid each other. Matt and I commiserate on the phone every day, how we regret every moment, and if we could only do it all over again, we would do it you're way. Even though if mother teresa and gahndi walked in there you wouldn't have done anything differently, either.
You crybaby loser. YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO DOWD/DOGG. WE WERE RIGHT! THE CITY WAS EITHER A BUNCH OF IGNORANT HEAD UP THEIR ASS BLIND DUMMIES OR IN VIOLATION OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AS A VIOLATION OF THE US CONSTITUTION.
Yeah, we'll try and be more polite next time. shady jaycee.
DUMP ZD TO MORON
August 09, 2007 8:56 PM
Bet you just love ingesting all that poison that China and other countries are flooding our country with too, huh? Love that smell of stale grease that emanates from the roach coaches? How about the parasites, like Chagas and others, that are now beginning to invade the U.S. (largely in border states right now), frequently from pork and those who handle/consume it? MMMmmmmmm, yummy!! Maybe you can add another wing to your house so you can employ more illegals and have your little "latina" come back for more!
By the way, it's "dump ZD 'too' moron". (As in also, not "to" as in where you want him dumped.)
I know, I know it was 5:08 in the morning. And I think that's a pretty normal time to be thinking about me. Did you just wake up thinking about me first thing in the morning...or were you up all night thinking about me?
I think you are possible missing the bigger problem - the cooked food vendors. In Hollywood they have these latinas selling hotdogs cooked on portable gas grilles (they are a office cart with a propane tank underneath). No refrigeration, no health inspections, the hotdogs stay out until they are sold which could be hours. These were all over Hollywood Blvd for about two years - then disappeared, especially in front of Graumanns. They are starting to reappear - I see this all over the city - we have two sets of laws - one for legal citizens and one for illegal immigrants - This type of illegal economy will certainly destroy the legal economy of the city before long (legal business owners will use dangerous shortcuts to complete with illegal business owners). The Roach Coach problem is a strawman - you have to get a license to operate a Roach Coach....
Zuma I kinda liked ya until you lost yer humor and went all apeshit on me.
Then I realized you were probably on my family tree.
*burp*
Just bought a burrito.
Adios
Zuma Puppy,
You are WHITE TRASH and an IDIOT.
Love Always,
A Wealthy Educated Enriched MEXICAN AMERICAN.
August 10, 2007 2:38 PM
Roach coach, roach cart ... WHATEVER (and you assume all those roach coaches get licenses? and what guarantees do those licenses give you?) ... you eat from them, you deserve what you get - and DON'T discount the disease/parasite problems that are a very real danger posed by these illegals. It is absolutely shameful that these "vendors" are not completely eradicated from the city.
Just a note for the last three years there have been food vendors in areas of our little piece of LA only selling fruit! I think I'll call the police as I do believe it is against the law to sell so close to homes. City license anyone?
re: zuma at 2:23: Naturally, the answer is b), people stay up all night thinking about you. Or, maybe a) is true to, they get up thinking about you...well, matt dowd does.
You have a valid point re: the health issues with the vendors, too bad it's hidden under the cluttered rants of your so-called mind. But honestly, we really shouldn't allow these people to operate like on the streets of Tijuana when restaurant owners are given strict grades.
Why not go to the source, they guy who forced coming up with the grades by exposing the cockroaches and guys making salads after blowing their noses and stuff, and even now in the wholesale district, peeing outside next to vegetables they're about to ship to upscale restaurants and stores?
None other than Joel Grover.
Blah blah blah!
Live and let live.
First Black Oppression, Now Brown Oppression!
Is just the target of times.
20 years from now, who?
I am here to announce to all of you that I am joining the ranks of these street vendors.
I am currently, a disabled man, living on my paultry social security stipend, which is a great deal more than most people get, because I worked for over 24 years, paid into the system, and recieve the maximum benifiet amount payable. So, I recieve SSDI, which is what a person receives if they paid into the system the minimum amount required by law. In my case, I paid in the maximum amount allowed, so I receive the maximum benifiet. But even that, is not enough, to support me in any degree of comfort, with the very, very high cost of living in Los Angeles.
Before I became disabled, I was a certified, degreed systems analyst. I am a litterate, degreed, refined, and inteligent man. However, I take so many medications now, that I am not allowed to drive, or operate moving machinery of any kind. In addition to this, I have "bad" days, days I am not well, and can nearly not function at all. So, having a regular job, with me calling in sick 5 or 6 times a month, even a part time job, is not an option for me. No employer, anywhere, would hire a man, knowing, that he will not be able to be there every day, on time, all the time.
I must be self employed, if I am to work at all, and I wish to work. I come from a proud, hard working family with a strong work ethnic, and I feel dirty every time I deposit that government check. Yes, I know, I paid into the system for over 24 years, yes, I know, it is my right to recieve these benifiets. But having been a working man myself, I know how hard, that tax money comes from the other working people out there every day, paying the deductions, to take care of me, and it makes me feel ashambed.
I don't care that I used to be at a junior level executive type of person. That was yesterday, that is not my reality today. I want to pay my own way, doing whatever I can to earn a living. As long as it is a legal, bonified business, an honorable business, then that is all I care about.
For these reasons, I will engage in the business of a street hot dog vendor, a legal, certified, registered hot dog vendor, not one operating outside of the statutes, regulations or laws. This will cost me a great deal of money to set up, nearly $10,000.00 in total set up charges for my little micro business, "Davey-Dog".
But that will not be the end of my efforts.
My Business, "Davey-Dog", will be operating in the heart of the McArthur Park area, where there are a great many "illegal" street vendors operating daily.
I intend to organize these vendors in to an actual, functioning labor union, the Street Vendors Union. I will use my little business as a podium, to promote street vending, legal reform, unionization and organization of the workers, bulk negotiated life insurance, health insurance, business liability insurance, accounting services, commissary services, bulk purchasing of food items at discount prices services, and any and all other related services needed by any street vendor, anywhere, in the greater Los Angeles Area.
I will work very hard to bring these people into legal compliance with all health, legal, and business regulatory laws and practices, AND, to unite them into an actual union where we can stand together as a political force to be taken very seriously by not only the Los Angeles City Council, but the State Assembly and legislature as well.
Mark my words.
One year from now things will be very, very, very different on this issue. We will not tolerate being treated as disposible merely because we are low income.
Sincerely,
David Lee Frater
1312 West Maryland Street, #103
Los Angeles, CA, USA 90017-2000
(213) 481-3899
davidleefrater@hotmail.com
davidleefrater@yahoo.com
Labor Organizer for the Street Vendors Union
Owner/Proprietor, Davey-Dog
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