State of The Valley Reaction
Both the LA Times and Daily News run coverage of Mayor Villaraigosa's State of the Valley Speech yesterday. A snip from the LA Times story lead..."It was the latest version of a stock speech Villaraigosa has been giving for weeks at rubber-chicken galas and civic symposia all over town. In it, the mayor attempts to place his early moves in a strategic context, paint himself as a maverick reformer and justify some liberal policies as business-friendly."
As for the major points:
Los Angeles will connect the world
Los Angeles will turn diversity into dollars
L.A. will be the "greenest and cleanest big city in America
L.A. will thrive on its embrace of new technology and new industry
L.A. will become denser and taller
The Angelenos of the future will ride the train
L.A. won't achieve city-on-a-hill status with a broken educational system
Make sure you have your barf bag ready in case you gag.
Posted by Anonymous @ 12/09/2005 08:40:00 AM
37 Comments:
I always have my barf bag ready for this little greaseball!
What an asshole!!!
"Turn diversity into dollars". My ass! Thank God immigration reform is going to get rid of the millions of ILLEGALS in this city! He has a third world mentality. He just doesn't get it! He and his Mechistas are the problem...not the solution.
EDUCATION AND SCHOOLS: He is a perfect example of third world mentality. GPA of 1.4!!!!! Expelled from High School. Gangbanger! Racist! Anti'American.
AT HIS SELF PROCLAIMED CORONATION HE SAID "I WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH MEXICO IN SHAPING MY POLICIES"
Hey, Mechista boy, you just go back to Mexico and clean up their corrupt regime!!!!! THIS IS THE USA, NOT THIRD WORLD MEXICO!!!!!!
The more this guy opens his mouth the more it proves how really illiterate and ignorant he really is.
VAYA CONDIOS, AMIGO! WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE!!!!! COMPRENDE??????
Nothing about public safety, Mayor Frank?
Don't we also need world peace and an end to hunger everywhere?
As long as AV is using his standard M.O. (promise anything, then leave before delivery is due), then why not shoot the works?
AV wants to make LA like New York with vertical housing. I've noticed all the developments of new apartments going up all over downtown and the city. DUHHHH!!!!! we're obviously going to get more people coming to live in LA but not increasing LAPD. We have something like 1 officer per 1,200 residents. Wake up AV!!!! Your priorities are all scewed up.
trouble, trouble, trouble...
OH, we got trouble... right here is L.A. City...
Could be a new Broadway musical, Antonio Villaraigosa, in "The Maverick Man."
9:02 - You lost. If you don't like the City, then leave.
10:22 - There have been no new high rises built in the last 5 months. Any development trends you see obviously preceed the current mayor, so shut the fu*k up.
12:20
We ALL lost, we got the 1.8 GPA mayor. Everything is a "slogan" and a soundbyte.
AV had half the GPA of "the dummy" GW Bush (from a less prestigious school).
What does that make him (besides mayor of the most shallow city in America)?
Nobody "won" this time.
AV's law school doesn't even exist anymore. Was it a correspondence school?
9:02 a.m.
I heard a professor at LMU give a talk last year about illegal immigration and compared it to the flood of "Oakies" to California.
Economic refugees from the dust bowl, Oakies had MORE kids per capita than immigrants from Latin America do today, and LESS education than the typical immigrant from Latin America does
What did they have going for them? A policy of affirmative action for people that were dubbed "white" in order to exclude undesirable ethnic groups from mainstream society. They had cheap home loans, and more homes available to them on the market to choose from. They had massive amounts of public money spent on infrastructure, housing, and education for them and their kin. They had rascist public policies to maintain their unfair advatages.
As a result of all these advatages, given to them by the State(!) and the private business world, this group of people has thrived, and the state has thrived along with them. This is the sort of unfair economic policy that Martin Luther King was referring to when he mentioned the "cancelled check" in his famous "I Have A Dream" speech.
By forcing economic refugees (today's "Illegal Immigrants") to do without a similar system of economic and social assistance - we are dooming this state to a future that looks more like Missippi than California of the past 50 years.
Put your blind ignorance back in your butt, and try thinking rationally for a change. Illegal or not, economic refugees will come here to find a better life. We can either find a way to benefit from that, or spitefully cut off our collective noses to spite our ignorant faces.
p.s. The main points from the mayor's speech kick ass. Even if he isn't able to come through on them (as his critics think), he still seems to have his rhetoric in order.
It was a corrupt-spondence school!
ubrayj02 a lot of college educated, successful Latinos will tend to disagree with you on this one. Yes, I understand the plight of the illegals. However, there has to be a line drawn and some type of control. Have you seen what downtown LA looks like these days? This is why Bush and others are now talking about border control and stricker laws on immigration. Just yesterday the Costa Mesa city council voted to have their police officers enforce and arrest illegals. Can you imagine if LA did that? Total chaos.
SAYING the right words hasn't been AV's problem since he became a city employee.
Organizing 80 neighborhood watch organizations in a crime-ridden CD14 in one year alone, WAS "rhetorically" the "right" thing.
LYING by saying he and staff created 80 (FAKE) NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH ORGANIZATIONS that ONLY exist on (campaign literature) paper wasn't.
It's not the delivery of the speech that's AV's problem, even with the occasional stammering. People can certainly write good speeches for him (but those people don't ever run for office). No, his problem since July 1, 2003, has always been delivery ON the promises.
If we wanted a think-tanker who could "dream" big for L.A., we should cut out the middle man (AV)and elect one of them. Face it, these aren't AV's plans of ideas -- he's a hollow statesman. AV was elected (twice, CM and Mayor), to deliver ON the promises -- and unfortunatly for the true believers, the bigger the promises get, the further away from being able to deliver them HE gets.
Well said, Bubba!
3:09 p.m.,
I have one things to say about "the way downton looks": GRAPES OF WRATH. Don't you remember the phrase "Hooverville" from history class? Now is not the only time that teeming hordes have flooded this country. Now is also not the first time that America has decided to tell those hordes to go to f*** off.
If you're actually from this great state, and know something about the issue, you'll recognize that California has been flooded with various immigrant groups at various point in its history.
With the "white" folks running from the dust bowl, our government gifted them with the New Deal. This ethnic group consistently received a massive influx of direct and indirect public investment in their human potential. As a result of that investment, they thrived and our state was made richerin the long run by their cumulative individual successes.
To turn our backs on this era's immigrant group because they don't look as attractive as we'd like them to (with their poverty and their ignorance of our customs and language) is to turn our backs on the potential benefits they have to offer us in the long run. They are human beings - and they have the potential to make this state as great as it has ever been.
By ignoring their innate human capacity (by withholding public money, education, health care, equal protection under the law) we make our state into a highly stratified fortress-like economy, with nowhere to legitimately grow our businesses, and no new opportunities for our kids to make wealth. And then we'll be Louisiana-West.
Unfortunately, this problem can only be remedied by the Federal government making immigration as easy as it once was, and by "helping out the little guy" (like it helped so many generations of white people in the U.S. for the past 70 years).
Ubray,
I want to marry you..
For all of you posters who refer to the 'dust bowl', 'oakies', Grapes of Wrath'. etc, you are referring to Americans!!!!!! a
lbeit poor, itinerate, and uneducated ....AMERICANS.
WHAT YOU SEE IN L.A. IS MILLIONS OF THIRD WORLD CRIMINALS WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW BY ENTERING THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.!!!!!!
We Americans have nothing in common with migrant Mexicans!!!! They are inferior in every way....culturally, academically, socially, etc. etc.
THEY ARE ONLY HERE TO DRAIN OUR RESOURCES!!!!! Vicente Fox doesn't want them in Mexico....he's only interested in the "White Elitist Mexicans"!!!!!
He's trying to clean out his country and send 'em here. Sort of like the Palestinians....no body wants them in their country.
This country is being dumbed down by illiterates like AV who have only one ambition....THIRD WORLD.
We will clean up Los Angeles, but only after we cleanse it of the FILTH AND CRIME from these Mexicans! They are anti-American and they have NO CULTURE!
Wake up, Los Angeles....only 6% of you voted. AV is illegitimate!!!!
"Dream Big"
Not a dream....AV is a nightmare!!!!
Ubrayjay02 -- the word "I had a professor" should have tipped you off that you'd see the usual nonsense: white people are all evil and only got where they were by racist evil policies designed to keep other people down. Which is utter garbage.
Okies were ... let's go back ... AMERICANS. As American citizens they were entitled to move anywhere in this country, and work, without discrimination on race, religion, heritage, or anything else. That is the American Way. Mexican nationals are no more entitled to work here than Americans in Mexico City. It's called Sovereignty. You should check into it. [If we are obliged to take in Illegals from Mexico then we have the right to intervene openly in that Nation including selecting rulers and economic policies. This is why good fences make good neighbors.]
It is neither desirable nor likely to work to continue to prop up a corrupt and brutal oligarchy in Mexico that depends on exporting it's jobless to America. Forty percent of Mexicans want to move to the US; do you honestly think we can absorb 40 million of them (pop of Mexico: 100 million)? It's absurd and LA in particular has been hurt by floods of low-wage workers who depress wages and skew economic incentives. Employers have no incentives to train and promote from within; rather just turn over endless waves of cheap labor.
Supply and Demand? AV just guarantees that people in South Central and other depressed areas (like East LA) will NEVER get hired, underpriced by immigrants willing to work for far less and live extremely poorly to send money home to their families [See: New Orleans and the illegals displacing African Americans in rebuilding]. Okies replaced existing Mexican braceros, but moved up because of rapid expansion /growth which was part of the post-war boom NOT "given to them by the State" (only a loony liberal prof would say that). AV's policies do nothing to encourage growth which coupled with immigration restriction leads to higher wages. Wages are set by supply (labor) and demand (economic growth).
LMU profs (and yourself Ubray) are simply in denial or ignorant on basic economics. As is AV. MOST of LA's fiscal problems and inability to provide proper fire, police, health, and housing affordability are a result of illegal immigrants clogging the health care system and siphoning away most of the tax dollars, while they depress wages and opportunity for US Citizens on the low end of the socio-economic scale (and thus tax revenues). Case in point the destruction of the Anglo-African American led Drywallers Union with illegal immigrants, forming a new Latino-led union, and more illegal immigrants to crush that union. Wages (and tax base) go from medium to low as floods of cheap and illegal labor depress wages and make health care for the un-insured massive.
If you really hate Unions then you love open borders. .
Every dollar AV spends on housing and health subsidies for illegal immigrants is a dollar not spent on mass transit on the Westside or extra police in South Central. And yes it will guarantee political strife and anger; for all the population of California (Latinos at IIRC 52%), Latinos vote much lower (because many of them are illegal). The interests of US born citizens regardless of race is not the same as illegal immigrants. If you are a Latino US Citizen your wallet is fatter when you don't have massive wage competition that never ends on the low end; and all public spending on health care plus schooling for their kids instead of yours.
No one would object in the slightest if the Mexican illegal immigrants coming over were wealthy and/or professionals, heck we'd recruit them. Instead we get dirt poor people who's burden of social services is dumped on the LA taxpayer.
LA is falling into the abyss with AV; he's clueless and unable to see the organized crime inroads (Death Row Records etc) into the LAPD, the growing menace of the gangs which run most of the city, the need for a much bigger and reformed LAPD which agressively attacks crime, and the need for economic growth.
6:19
That's not legal in CA, yet... wait until AV is governor!
It's tough to sell "sovereignty" to the one-world-order crowd.
what was Eric Hacopian doing walking in with AV to the State of the Valley speech?
cats out of the bag I guess.
Dear fear-engorged fellow residents of Southern California:
-You obviously don't know a DAMN THING about the history of this state, and specifically it's histroy relative to immigration.
-1941 EDWARDS V. CALIFORNIA
An "anti-Okie" law that made it a crime to transport poor people into
California. This was eventually stricken down as a violation of the right to interstate travel. (Did the drafters of this legislation think ,"Them Okies are 'merican!" Your okies-were-citizens argument is crap.)
Pull your head out of your "they're gonna depress our wages" stuffed rear-end, and get a grip. Like I said, they're PEOPLE. They have HUMAN POTENTIAL.
Our new-fangled federal immigration policies are placing ARTIFICIAL BARRIERS to trade and commerce. We only stand to gain by accepting what is an economic reality - people will come here to have a better life. If we actually spend money on them, and invest in them, as our government has done for many other immigrant groups who've been lumped into the "white" category - we will see the return on that investment. Just as we have seen it in the past.
If you're so pissed about wages being lowered - why do I see your punk-ass countrymen picking up illegal low-wage workers in front of Home Depot? You idiotic, paranoid, hypocrites. The next time you throw a party, who will you hire as the valet? A union company? Right. Don't play that bullshit game where you are suddenly concerned about trade unions.
If we had a more open immigration policy, the unions would be stuffed full of legitimate members. What they might initially lack in wages, they would more than make up for in sheer numbers and the political force that those numbers imply. And how, exactly, would that political force imply depressed wages for everyone?
Your idiotic attitude towards immigration means that we will have hundreds of thousands of illegitimate laborers who need to violate the law in order to find work. If they could join a union they'd be able to do what unions have always done: fight for better wages and a higher standard of living. Having a massive black-market for labor hurts the unions. Having a massive legitimate labor market can only help them.
ubrayj000000000000)
Look, To get the actual history of California, regardless of what our history books state, we must go back in time and speak to the elders.
Our history is shaded and placed in such a way that you and I will not know the actual truth. It was written by the powerful in their time. Talk to the elders at reservations, if any exist. What it boils down to is no matter how many laws were enacted, were they actually followed? It didn't matter what was written at that time because you were not present to witness these events.
My ancestors were here before 1492, there is much more history not written. I support your many ideals which you have written on threads, but I do not support believing every little word the powerful wrote under convenience.
Whatever man. You stick to that bullshit, and you'll get run over by idiots who pretend to understand the situation so they can gain personal power and wealth.
Our government facilitates our economy, it does not dictate supply and demand without injuring itself enormously. These "protectioninst" arguments against immigration are bunk public policy for a republic. We thrive by bringing the market to people not by exculding them from it. By excluding people, we have to act in ways that run counter to our stated principles of equal rights and protection under the law.
Read the main points from Antonio's speech again, and tell me he doesn't get this. This is the new political reality: the market belongs to the people. Not the government, not the corporations, not the wealthy. They play big parts, and the government (with the right to use police force) enables the economy's more sophisticated manuevers. But the marketplace belongs to the people. The more you act to allow for legitimate, and fair, economic behavior - the more you enable others to protect human rights, and enable people to cooperate despite their backgrounds.
De jure "rights" mean nothing if you are barred from exercising them. Antonio represents a part of the left wing that understands that the economics of an issue are just as important as the laws that govern our behavior.
Go Ubray!!!!!! Take'm down.
The credibility of bloggers here is never more strained than when they show a creative combo of ignorance AND stupidity, as in the immigrant bashers who try to characterize the American-born mayor as a Mexican, or when they just plain get it wrong.
The mayor's law school not only still exists, but has a website anyone can look at right now. Your insults might at least be funny if you got at least some of your allegations right, you stupid f**ks.
UBray,
Am I considered bad if I pick up the illegal immigrants at Home Depot, bring them home, give them their tasks and then drop them back off with equal pay and a couple of six packs?
I am not an immigrant basher. I don't believe they are as much of a strain on our government as people think they are. In fact, I think that the sales taxes they pay probably make up for what some think they drain.
I believe that every single immigrant who lives here today should be allowed to stay, whether they are here illegally from Mexico, El Salvador, Russia, Armenia or Switzerland. Then I think we should enact the same laws that other countries have regarding their strict border laws. We would no sooner be allowed to sneak into France or any other country.
I think Land of the Free means one thing to religious nuts and something completely different to the rest of the world.
We should enact laws that are applicable to 2005, not the 1800's.
Who the fuck is John, and why should we care?
3:06
"Why do people refer to Antonio as a Mexican...he is an American".
Let me remind you that AV said at his self proclaimed coronation (6% of the vote) that he "WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH MEXICO IN SHAPING HIS POLICIES'.
An American would never make such a anti=American statement!!!
Supporting and leading the MECHA movement for his entire life..being a card carrying member of LA RAZA, president of the LA chapter of ACLU....HOW DARE YOU SAY HE IS AN "AMERICAN"!!!!!!!!
I have done extensive research into his background and there is NOTHING to indicate that he has EVER done anything except PROMOTE Mexico!!!
One of his very first acts was to shell out millions of our taxpayer dollars to RENOVATE OLVERA STREET!
Tops on his list of priorities!!!!!
His BIG DEAL is the schools. The schools were just fine until we were INVADED by MILIONS OF ILLITERATE ILLEGALS WITH MILLIONS OF ILLITERATE KIDS!!!!!
9:02 is right on!!!!! He has a third world mentality! He is the problem...not the solution!
Ask yourselves another question: Why hasn't this ex gangbanger said one word about the 20,000 MS13 gang members living and killing and selling drugs in LA? What about the 18th ST gang? THEY ARE 80% ILLEGAL MEXICANS and he is one of them by refusing to send themm back to Mexico.
Ask yourselves why he insists upon speaking bilingually every time he gets in front of a camera (which is his every breathing moment)
AMERICANS HAVE ONLY ONE LANGUAGE....ENGLISH!!!!!
ANY ONE WHO TRIES TO SAY THIS GUY IS AMERICAN IS EITHER CLUELESS, UNINFORMED, OR JUST PLAIN UN-AMERICAN.
Do your research on this guy and you come to only one conclusion!!!
I guarantee you that he is washed up in politics....Americans are just waking up to the fact that there is a subversive third world momentum that is swelling....and this guy is part of the subversiveness.
85% of the population is AGAINST illegal immigration. We will prevail!!!! We will take our city back...it will take time. The sweeps are beginning (Costa Mesa, etc.) and, believe me, AV will be swept right out of politics.
He is on the wrong side of our sovereignty as the United States of America. He thinks this is Los Angeles, Mexico!!!!
You have another thought coming, AV!!!!
"Angelenos of the future will ride the trains"!!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IS THIS GUY FOR REAL????????????
The only ones who will 'ride the trains' are immigrants and illegals who can't afford a car and INSURANCE.
We eliminated the red car forty years ago, you idiot (AV)
THE SOLUTION IS TO GET RID OF THE MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS AND TRASH THAT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!!!!!!
SAME GOES FOR SCHOOLS!!!!!!YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SAME GOES FOR GANGBANGERS, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do us a favor, Mechista boy, go back to Mexico and take all of your Mexicans with you!!!!!!!
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
" L.A. WILL BECOME DENSER AND HIGHER"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ASSHOLE, TONY VILLAR!!!!!!!You are the only thing that is 'DENSE" in this city. We will never allow you to get away with making L>A> into another third world country like your homeland!!!!!!!
Do not trust this guy, L.A.!!!!
He is the most dangerous pseudo- politician in the history of this city! We got rid of Grey Davis, and we certainly can get rid of this guy! He is a petty street fighter and is a COWARD at heart!!!
He is unscrupulous, devious, untrustworthy, disloyal, greasy and slimy!!!!!!!
Get rid of this racist bigot and all of his loyalists, and L.A. will be just fine.
Regarding the the December 11 Anon:
This proves the point that if you're crazier than everyone else, you will "win" the debate.
But the last two posts bring up another great point: WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT FREAKED OUT XENOPHOBES WHO HAVE EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS?!!!!!!!!
It's amazing to me this deranged typist manages to scrawl his messages on this blog from his County prison cell. Why do they let the schizo's onto the net? It would be great to hear you sound off on other issues of the day: Iraq, Tookie Williams, your L.A. Times collection and which shopping carts you prefer to move that collection around in.
LOOKS LIKE YOU CARE!!!!!!!!
YEEEEHAAAWWWW
To all of you that call yourselves Americans, whether you like it or not Antonio Villar/Villaraigosa is more of an American than the rest of you. You cannot send an American to another country just because you do not like him. The citizens of the USA living in Los Angeles, California elected him.
When the USA acquire the Mexican Territory of California, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas, not only did they acquire the land but also acquired the people, Mexicans, Spanish, American Indians and so on, and gave them the right and the liberty to speak their language, Spanish, and to move freely between borders of both countries. Therefore, in reality, a Mexican born in this country, is the only ethnic group with the right to speak their own language, Spanish? No other nationalities have been given that right in the USA. English is not the official language of the United States, LOOK IT UP.
Also, look into the Treaty of Guadalupe between USA & Mexico, is part of our History.
1, :20 a.m
I haven't read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildage since High School, but if memory serves me correct, it stated that a Mexican residing in the territories had the right to remain in the New World or return to Mexico. I think it was something like seven years. After that time period they had to make a choice: remain here or return to Mexico and retain Mexican citizenship. It they remained here they were free to travel back and forth.
However, after the 7 years (not sure about the time limit), they had to make a choice.
Of course, they had the right to the Spanish language. All part of the deal.
HOWEVER, that was in 1848.
The only legal way to enter this country since 1848 is to apply for and receive citizenship. THE TREATY OF GUADALUPE DID NOT GIVE CARTE BLANCHE TO MEXICO AFTER 1848!!!
Everyone living in this country now who is not a legal citizen is ILLEGAL. ILLEGALS do not assimilate, they are part of Mexico's third world underclass, illiterate, uncultured, etcc. etc.
They are a blight on this city.
Los Angeles is a dirty cesspool and getting worse every day. CRIME IS RAMPANT! If you check out the last name of every criminal on the news or in the papers, it's a spanish surname. 95% of felony arrest warrants are for ILLEGALS!! GANGBANGERS (of which Tony Villar belonged) ARE ALL MEXICAN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CRIbS AND BLOODS (ONE LESS CRIB TODAY) MS 13 - THE WORST GANG IN HISTORY - ALL MEXICANS.
As far as Tony Villar is concerned, his mother came over the borders....did she do it legally or did he get the phony birthright citizenship? I would love to know the answer to that one!
At any rate, Los Angeles, once the envy of the country, is now the outcast! No one wants to live here because of the deplorable conditions. Read the papers, watch the news.....everyone wants the ILLEGALS OUT!!!!!They have made this country a third world cesspool.
Mexico is a failed State...Vicente Fox is pawning his third world undesireables off on the U>S>. It's a massive plot....a numbers game....WHITE ELITIST MEXICANS DO NOT WANT THESE MEXICAN INDIANS IN MEXICO. THEY EVEN PRINT PAMPHLETS INSTRUCTING THEM HOW TO SNEAK OVER THE BORDER.
THE MEXICAN CONSULATE SENT 100,000 TEXTBOOKS TO SCHOOLS IN SANTA ANA WITH AN 'ANTI AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE.
THESE MECHISTAS (AV) HATE AMERICANS. THEIR ENTIRE GOAL IS TO TAKE OVER THE AMERICAS.
WE PAID $15,000,000 IN 1848...SIGNED SEALED, AND DELIVERED. MEXICO LOST THE WAR!!!
BUT WE WERE CONSIDERATE ENOUGH TO ALLOW ANYONE HERE TO REMAIN HERE IF THEY SO CHOSE.
ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS WHO BREAK OUR LAWS EVERY TIME THEY CROSS THE BORDER.
However, there is such public outrage now aimed at illegal immigration that it is coming to an end. We will restore law and order to this country and get rid of the illlegal criminals.
Hope this explains the situation!!
So much for the Treaty of Guadalupe!!!
Those of you that have determined that AV is illiterate and ignorant Mexican, just look what he has done, he is the Mayor of Los Angeles, the second largest city in the USA, and this is just the beginning, now ask yourself, why are you sitting here writting on the blogg and having a conversation with anomymous.
Commiserating about the illiterate and ignorant mayor we've elected.
We do it by writting on bloggs with other amomymous posters?
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