Trolls
From Merriam-Webster Online:Main Entry: trollFrom Mayor Villaraigosa:
Function: noun
Etymology: Norwegian troll & Danish trold, from Old Norse troll giant, demon; probably akin to Middle High German trolle lout
: a dwarf or giant in Scandinavian folklore inhabiting caves or hills
Reacting to media leaks, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Monday referred to the mayoral press pool as "trolls."(Source: KNBC4 TV)
The comment, made during a news conference in South Los Angeles Monday afternoon, took reporters in attendance by surprise, some not quite sure how to take it.
"I'd rather be a gnome," quipped one City Hall scribe.
Villaraigosa's pronouncement came as he formally announced his nominees for the Community Redevelopment Agency Board of Commissioners.
The Los Angeles Times had reported the mayor's selections on Sept. 2.
Villaraigosa said he will make sure his upcoming nominees for the planning commission are not prematurely leaked to the press.
"Pat (McGreevy of The Times) and the other trolls in the room here are not going to get a preview on that one," Villaraigosa said. "They love, you know, ruining your story, getting it out."
Mayoral aides characterized the comment as "good-natured teasing."
From now on I go by Troll Frank
Posted by Anonymous @ 9/20/2005 05:30:00 AM
58 Comments:
Trolls make politics fun!
If it weren't for trolls, work can actually get done.
What charisma he has.
Aren't trolls prominent in Icelandic mythology?
Yes, Parke Skelton has been teaching our Mayor some 3rd grade words. Wow! He is a genius!
Parke Skelton is Villaraigosa's Mayoral campaign consultant and admirer of Icelandic Sagas.
Why did the mayor choose to call the media trolls after the election, his true feelings are apparent.
Definition of Troll in the Media and Cyberworld-----
"To those who seem confused -- a troll isn't someone who just disagrees or offers a different viewpoint: usually they are malicious and make personal attacks or threats that can be quite distressing to the recipient."
Attn Reporters, this is what he thinks of you...blog on.
The media is one outlet he is unable to control. "Control"
He is a control freak who has appointed, assigned, manipulated all parts of city government. The media is not his lap dog, so he bites. The mayor bit you today media.
In the blogworld
"The troll does not want to just "vent." He wants to insult people."
9:33 Your are right!
"Internet troll"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. The word is also often used to describe such messages.
Etymology of the word Troll.
The word likely gained currency because of its conveniently apt second meaning, drawn from the "trolls" portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales, which are often ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on wickedness and mischief. The image of the troll under the bridge in the Three Billy Goats Gruff emphasizes the rootedness of the troll in a physical environment, dislike of outsiders, particularly those who intend to graze on or in his or her domain.
P.S. How sad for those media bloggers and writers...you wicked little trolls.
Speaking of Trolls
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs20.2sep20,1,3952839.story?coll=la-headlines-california
IN BRIEF/LOS ANGELES COUNTY/LOS ANGELES
Mayor Says He'll Abide by DWP Pay Decision
September 20, 2005
On the eve of a City Council vote on controversial pay raises for Department of Water and Power workers, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Monday he would abide by any decision.
The package would increase the salaries of nearly 8,000 DWP workers by at least 17% over five years and possibly by as much as 34%, depending on inflation.
"It's in the council's court," the mayor said. "They are going to make a decision. When they do, I will support that decision, whatever it is."
Mayor frankie you gave us a washed up definition which made Antonio look innocent, instead he is evil man who deep down inside hates the media.
As a pejorative, the term "troll" is very often a slander of opponents in heated debates, similar to noob in online games.
is not this like the pot calling the kettle black?
"Often a person will post a sincere message that they are emotionally sensitive about. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset them is to disingenuously claim that the person is a troll. On other occasions a person may not instantly understand or fit into the social norms of a forum where most users are the same."
"The long history of trolling and the strong support for anonymous and pseudonymous discourse on the Internet, suggests that the story of the anonymous troll is only beginning. Whether there can be a "culture" consisting of people who do not know each other except through a common experience of being bounced from Internet forums is questionable, but some do claim it is possible and already occurring.
There is strong evidence for this in the existence of forums that claim to exist specifically to support trolls and trolling, to exchange troll tips, and to identify targets that other trolls might fruitfully bait or debate.
Trolling culture is best observed in trolls who do not know each other working together. Because the common methods of creating inflammatory posts are well known and a subject of jokes in many places on the Internet, it is sometimes possible for a troll to identify another troll at work. A troll trolling another troll often creates massive amounts of pretend drama between the trolls which is taken seriously by non-troll observers (especially if they take sides). The end result is that the two trolls can work together to force a conversation to go off topic or center a forum's discussion around themselves more effectively than on their own."
9:53
AV is a hypocrite.
The term (Troll) is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Possible reasons people use more slang monikers in Internet-mediated discussion include the feeling of anonymity and impersonal perceptions of other conversants.
Troll food refers to replies to the original controversial troll posts, that the trolls subsequently use as feedback to throw more fuel to the fire of their posts.
"Please do not feed the Trolls" is a warning sign that other article readers post to warn newcomers that they believe the original poster is a troll..
Weblogs — in their most common form as a personal soapbox with the ability for anybody to leave comments, popular weblogs often make effective springboards for trolls, either as inflammatory comments or provocative entries. The ease with which weblogs can be linked encourages troll propagation.
---Trolls are users who actively provoke conflict (a flamer).
---A Master Troll also finds it necessary to use mutiple nicknames as a defense to not only strengthen his or her position in an entire community, but to make sure every argument, confrontation, or debate is settled in his or her terms.
Self-proclaimed "trolls" may style themselves as devil's advocates, gadflies or "culture jammers," challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of forum discussions in an attempt to break the status quo of groupthink - the belief system that prevails in their absence. Wikipedia itself has a project to counter systemic bias.
What type of troll are you Mayor Sam Frank, and Chiefo?
I am the Master Troll
FYI
--A Grammarian Troll is a troll who usually criticizes the grammar skills of another post.
--A Xenophobe Troll is a troll who is condescending towards new members
--A Sheep Troll is a participant within an online community that requires the strength of a stronger member
--Staff Troll, Sometimes Moderators or even Administrators can be trolls themselves and use tools or shills to create chaos or "flamebait" within a forum.
--Misleading Troll (False Witness)
This troll bares false witness towards other users of a community or even towards any subject matter.
--Sentry, Sentries are trolls who are of a support role and are usually (but not always) limited to fake usernames
--Shill, Shills are trolls that constantly deny facts in order to promote a fixed propaganda.
--Tools are trolls that serve different purposes such as bearing false witness in favor or against a particular target or subject matter
--Impostors are trolls that steal other people's identities, whether that means by hacking into other people's user accounts or by simply creating a new account while typing in an identical username
--Runaround Statements, These are stubborn statements used by a troll (especially a shill or a tool)
--Frame Looping,This is a dishonest tactic used by trolls and is intended to confuse a novice audience
--A "frame-up" is an abuse of power and is a dishonest tactic often utilized by "staff trolls".
--Trolls or "Flamers" are online participants who actively as well as consciously promote and fuel conflict with direct intentions.
Right Mayor Frank that is what happened and this article also mentioned
"But a media expert from UCLA -- Villaraigosa's alma mater -- said the mayor may be "feeling the heat" from the local press.
Such teasing could backfire on the mayor, who took office July 1, according to Thomas Plate, a speech and communications professor who used to work in the editorial department at the Los Angeles Times.
"I can predict that if the mayor has lost his humor with the news media so early in his administration, it's going to be a very long term," Plate said. "He has to learn that the media is doing its job, and not let it get under his skin. The best way to deal with the march of the trolls is with a joke, but he is obviously feeling the heat."
Villaraigosa straight out told the bastard reporters and shut them up.
Is it true Villaraigosa, Antonio is going to Seoul Korea?
From The Sheep Troll
I heard one of the Trolls wanted to do a story on how John Perez is his GAY COUSIN...he became upset!
Tony the Liar did kiss the President of the Stonewall Democratic Club in the mouth when he went for their endorsement in 2003. And Tony's motto has always been, "I'll try anything once." So it's not really that sick. At least his fat gay cousin John Perez wouldn't think so.
Well thats the pot calling the kettel black! AV is a total short shit brown troll!! I don't know what woman in her right mind would want to be with that dark ugly two feet tall rico suave troll!! In one word GROSS!!
Imagine that. He was also accused of having an affair with a staffer .
note (I did not mention any names on my post)
Yup Antonio is cleaning up city hall and had the nerve to bad mouth Hahn. Thanks McGreevey for reporting the facts. A couple of months ago we would have never seen such truth in the LA Times.
New CRA Panel Gets Mayor's Directive
John Perez, who is a first cousin to the mayor, said he would challenge the way the agency does business. He has already raised concerns about the size of a $262-million city subsidy and loan package for a hotel planned next to the Los Angeles Convention Center.
How ironic Villaraigosa and Skelton would accuse Pacheco of being a Pothole Filler (as a negative story-propaganda)...look who is filling potholes at this moment?
Mr. Antonio "Pothole Brain" Villaraigosa
A push to make school board appointments would pit Villaraigosa against some of his most ardent supporters. UTLA, which once employed Villaraigosa, spent $185,000 on radio ads to support him, and the California Teachers Assn. spent $500,000 on a television ad mocking Hahn's education record.
"Changing governance won't build one school, it won't buy one textbook," said John Perez, outgoing UTLA president and a Villaraigosa ally. "It will just create a system where the board members are much more distant from the community."
Rumor Mill by in the know troll
John Perez hates Romer from LAUSD and he publicly stated he had no confidence in him. Remember the leaks on Romer and that fund, who everyone in LAUSD knew about, well, it was leaked by John Perez at the request of Villaraigosa to tarnish Romer.
Romer found out on money laundering and LAUSD construction abuses by Huizar and Meruelo, just to name one, Belmont etc...
Patrick Mcgreevey, a troll?! What's that saying about not pissing off the guy who orders ink by the barrels?
Cao, we're not buying your troll (AV). Hurry along now.
Trolls are the folkloric northern European memory of the very last Neanderthals that were still poking around thousands of years ago. They died out long before the development of writing or science by modern humans, surviving only in folklore.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs20.2sep20,1,3952839.story?coll=la-headlines-california
IN BRIEF/LOS ANGELES COUNTY/LOS ANGELES
Mayor Says He'll Abide by DWP Pay Decision
September 20, 2005
On the eve of a City Council vote on controversial pay raises for Department of Water and Power workers, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Monday he would abide by any decision.
The package would increase the salaries of nearly 8,000 DWP workers by at least 17% over five years and possibly by as much as 34%, depending on inflation.
"It's in the council's court," the mayor said. "They are going to make a decision. When they do, I will support that decision, whatever it is."
11:59 That is the washed up version of a troll by AV camp, the real meaning of the term troll as used by AV in reality is harsh. He despises the journalists and thinks of them as leeches.
Villaraigosa,
Why did you call Patrick Mcgreevey and his co-journos trolls?
Communism controls the media, it is not a communist country as you want to make city hall to be, but it is democracy. Us citizens want the journos to write, write, and write as much as possible. We seek this information to make our choices now and in the future.
12:32
That's ironic because those "trolls" helped informed the public of my alledged mishaps.
But the Media trolls will take it because they love the chrismatic Armani suit wearing showboat.
12:34 He despises them when shit hits the fan and reporters are doing their jobs. When reporters buy into his false rhetoric he loves them, but right now, they are on his shit list.
Armani suits. Must have to sew the pants in half to fit him in length.
Perception my dear!
"The jury is still out," said Louis Quirarte, a former chairman of the Arroyo Seco Neighborhood Council who backed Villaraigosa in the mayor's race. "There's not much substance yet, but he is everywhere. Nothing much has happened, but people feel great."
Que Pasa? Esqueleto esta aqui?
"The 100-day analysis is a fixture in politics as the first measure of whether a politician's actions match his promises. "It's a long enough period of time to assess the tenure of an administration and the direction it is going," said Parke Skelton, a longtime political advisor to the mayor."
Villaraigosa initially announced he wanted the mayor to control the school district (promises promises), but after strong opposition from allies (his cousin ant the UTLA-campaign donors$$$), including the teacher's union (John gay Perez his cousin), Villaraigosa said he would wait to seek such reforms.
Note (...) words inserted for your own entertainment.
Joseph, what the heck, what are you saying? A mental Mirage?
"The tangible accomplishments at this point are all psychic," said Joseph F. Mailander, editor of the political blog Martini Republic. "He has enabled the city to breathe with confidence again."
Attention: "Vote 4 Pedro"
Antonio Napoleon Villaraigosa
Would any one of you like to meet me in city hall today?
I will be there in 10 minutes...black knee length skirt, off white blouse, ruby earrings.
earth tone brown high heels 3 inches.
hint: butterfly
Patrick McGreevey of LA Times is a good reporter. You notice on his stories he reports BOTH sides and does a good job. He at least is being honest and did report that John Perez was a second cousin to Antonio. Other reporters would have never reported that important fact. You go Patrick!!!
Because of your unbiased reporting, you have gained a new reader Patrick and I'm sure many many more.
Joseph, what the heck, what are you saying? A mental Mirage?
Well, I'm finding it fascinating to AngloLA observe that the trolls here find the troll comment so fascinating.
The sense of el Trol en espanol is more disparaging still than its Internet sense--it generally means something like "male witch."
"El trol es casi siempre un personaje masculino y por ello puede ser análogo a la figura mitológica de la bruja. La aplicación de estas etiquetas a personas, en lugar de a los personajes mitológicos de los cuentos, puede tener sus orígenes en los conflictos entre las religiones paganas y el Cristianismo en la Edad Media. La gente que continuaba practicando las «antiguas costumbres» eran a menudo aislados e identificados como aliados de las fuerzas oscuras, como «brujas» —y quizá también como «trolls».
I want to watch what Jaime Olivares puts up about this. I think by calling AngloLA media "trolls," some Spanish speakers in town--like, oh, potentially about two million of them--could be having quite a private chuckle when/if Spanish media get around to saying something about it.
A little troll with a big mouth has just leaked the name of one of the soon to be planning commissioners--Ted Stein! Shhhh. . .don't tell McGreevy. . .
So we have a 1st cousin John Perez
And we have a 2nd cousin John Perez
Still related
5:40
You must be kidding...you must be fibbing...same Ted Stein from Hahn's pack of lawyers?
But the John Perez appointed to the commision is the cousin John Perez.
If it is John Perez his gay cousin, there is much more to the story here. Several years back when Miguel Contreras was up for a Statewide Labor position - mostly honorable of course, John Perez, Antonio's first cousin, was the only person of that board voting no.
John Perez is a jealous person...greedy jealous person.
Did anyone bother to go to City Hall to check out Butterfly woman with the black skirt and white blouse?
I thought about it, then saw that she was wearing brown shoes with her black skirt and blew her off.
Next time I go to City Hall, I think I'll announce that I'm going to stand in the middle of the rotunda and I'll describe what I'm wearing too.
Would anyone really care??
It depends if yous a chick or not. If your a dude I wouldn't get up off of my ass to go down there.
Of course it's a chick. Or a gay guy. Who else would notice wrong colored shoes.
How do you know she was at the rotunda?
You sound so gay. I tried to look for someone with that description, there were two females, but I wasn't sure which one. Both were hot. Either one would be fine by me. The butterfly, I didn't know what that meant, so I couldn't decide which one to go up to. I will follow them in the next two days, they both work at city hall. One of the females is part of the mayor's staff.
Oh, if they're hot, then I'll get up off of my lazy ass then. My dingbat wife won't care. She's been dead since 1979.
I'm a little late but this was seriously the funniest post and comments than I have ever read on mayor troll's site. Again, hind sight is 20/20 and AV's troll comment speaks volumes about who the guy really is!!
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