Partying at LMU
***UPDATE BELOW***Since our newest Councilmember Bill Rosendahl seems to be in the spotlight this week, here's a new ball to juggle....
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:56:12 -0700
From: Andrew Kozar
Subject: FW: LMU neighbor letter
As many of you know E. Loyola Village (Loyola Blvd, Holy Cross, Regis Way, Georgetown, 83rd & 80th) has been bombarded with LMU kids thinking we live on 3rd street Promenade and almost every night is Saturday night and the bars (student houses) are open!!!! Well, I am sending the attached letter from Dolores Canizales to the Community. I know the loud partying,
speeding, drunken minors and destructive behavior is not just affecting our streets close to campus -so you should all have the information.
We are waiting for a date from Bill Rosendahl's Office for a Town Hall Meeting on this matter.
We will keep you posted.
Thank you to LMU for giving us this information.
Y. Kozar
Block Captain, N.Regis Neighborhood Watch
***UPDATE***
Turns out Bill is already on the case.
From: "Mike Bonin"
To:
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:56:30 -0700
Subject: LMU Issues
I saw the posting on the blog this AM about LMU.
Actually, it is not a new ball for Bill to be juggling. He and the district staff have been juggling that one already.
Bill met earlier this week with the president of LMU to discuss some of these issues, and he has scheduled a Town Hall meeting on the subject for Wednesday,September 26, 6:30 p.m., in the community room of the Westchester Municiapl Building, 7166 W. Manchester, at the corner of
Lincoln and Manchester in Westchester. For more inforation, people can contact our Westchester field office at 310-568-8772.
I will make sure someone on staff is in touch today with Mr Kozar and his neighbors to get the word out about the meeting.
Thanks
******************************
Mike Bonin
Chief of Staff
Office of Councilman Bill Rosendahl
This is exactly why we give them kudos!
Posted by Anonymous @ 9/22/2005 02:50:00 PM
49 Comments:
Why should the community have to wait for Rosendahl? His butt should have already been talking with his constituents. I know LAPD has their hands full with these rich kids. They need to stop it now or it will really get out of control.
Town v. Gown -- same as ever. This isn't a class issue. LMU needs to take responsibility and action.
Hmmm.....if I'm not mistaken, that COLLEGE CAMPUS has been there since 1929, well before the mid-Western transplants relocated during WWII. Now they want to pretend that the university wasn't there before they moved in?
7:19 - rich kids my a$$. Like most universities around the country, a huge percentage receive financial aid.
If you don't like it, MOVE! It was there before you came.
I'm an LMU alum and I hate those Westchester folks. 1) The university was built in the middle of nowhere. They brought the homes. 2) While the rest of the area is a nasty, ghetto, that part of Westchester stays nice. I think the University has a lot to do with it. 3) It's not a bunch of rich kids. There are plenty of low to middle income kids that want a quality Catholic education. 4) You don't see the neighbors complain when they use the campus as beautiful, tax-free city park. In my four years I saw tons of young children riding bikes with their folks around campus, seniors doing walking with friends, neighbors using the school's athletic facilities and dad's teaching their RICH (they live in houses on the westside afterall) little brats how to drive and putting the lives of students at risk. Get a grip people!
Those little BMW driving, couture wearing bastards are terrorizing the neighborhood? I am sure the neighbors had their own fun when they were young too.
Are these the same Westchester folks that had a wink-wink deal with realtors to not sell homes to the "black folk"?
I am waiting for the Rosendahl press release: Councilman clamps down on unruly rich kids. Just take down the residents concerns and say have a nice day. I can't see LMU being bad anyways.
1. I don't think that labelling LMU students as rich brats is helpful.
2. While LMU has been there for quite awhile, my house a half block away from campus was built 55 years ago--it's not like this is a new housing development.
3. When I moved in six years ago there were not bands 20-30 students roaming the streets drunk at 1AM yelling, pissing on my lawn and vomiting on the sidewalk, i.e. something has changed.
4. Regardless of whether things have "changed" or not, there is no reason for neighbors of LMU to have their bushes urinated on, vomit on the sidewalk or vandalism to their property. Furthermore, I don't see how this behavior conincides with a "quality Catholic education."
Why does "who was there first" have anything do with being a considerate civilized human being? Just because the college was there first, gives the right to break the law, underage drinking, intoxicated in public, driving under the influence, loitering, urinating in public, trespassing, and disturbing the peace. Do these young "adults" whose parents weren't even born when this school was established, deserve the right to ruin a neighborhoods enviornment which these residents paid hard earned money to provide a home for their families. They pay property taxes, fees and etc that improve and support the surrounding community. Just because their parents pay tuition gives them more rights? I think these residents are only asking these temporary residents to be considerate of others. Should Central LA residents accept gang violence and police abuse because it predates their moving in to those neighborhoods? I believe there is a balance that can be achieved, and a councilman has been elected and expected to step in an achieve that balance. Rich or poor has nothing to do with common courtesy and empathy for others concerns.
Those same types of homeowners have controlled the what kinda of nightlife exists in Westwood Village. As a recent UCLA alum, nobody really felt they had a college town. It just became a ritzy ass town..Eurochow? good grief!
We live on McConnell Avenue and there are plenty of parties and they don't bother us at all. Don't any of you remember being in college? These are nice kids so leave them alone. LMU has been good to our community.
I can't wait until these complainers are begging admissions to let their kids into LMU. Good Luck !
What do people really think the city is going to do? Lock the students on campus 24/7? Common sense here... you buy a house near a bar, there are certain reasonable expectations. You buy a house near railroad tracks, same thing. You buy a house near a college and there are things you will have to deal with.
Sure, kids caught pissing on your lawn deserve a ticket. But what else do you want done? And you can't tell me in the vast city of Los Angeles, the quiet hamlet of Weschester (strictly between Lincoln and Sepulveda--other portions aren't as nice and you know it) does not deserve a massive LAPD presence to crack down on unruly college students.
And we can't blame a rapidly expanding campus... 30 years ago there were 3,000 undergraduate students. Today there are 5,500. That's not that rapid. Plus they have addwed a lot of on campus housing and moved the main entrance to appease the neighbors. Get a grip!
Somebody should forward these comments to a relevant person at LMU. A quick look at their website suggests that might be somebody named Lisa Piumetti Farland, Executive Director of Alumni & Community Relations (310) 338-7896 lpiumett@lmu.edu
She appears to be on something called the Community Relations Task Force, which also has a Student Director --Aram Nadjarian (310) 338-5132
crtf@lmu.edu
This bad PR might spur some action -- if they hear about it.
Is there any other legitimate way for young people to congregate and have fun? When I was in school, going to parties was pretty much all we seemed to have. That and being a consumer at some mall that closes at 9 p.m.
My mom lives next door to some Loyola students, and the only problems she's had have to do with parking. The homeowners in her neighborhood own 3 or more cars each, and these college kids each have one - so there's really not much street parking anymore.
In small towns all over the world there are weekly dances and neighborhood parties - where is that spirit in Los Angeles? Everyone seems too ready to lock themselves indoors and turn on the T.V.
If the kids down your street are partying, maybe you should come on over and hang out for a while - if you're not a dick I'm sure they'll let you in.
These college kids have absolutely no respect for authority or anyone else for that matter. How many of you would put up with these kids in your neighborhood pissing, cursing loudly, playing loud music til 2am? Unless someone starts to control them it will only get worst.
If they want to go someone place to have fun why isn't the school providing some type of outlet for them on campus? That would solve the problem easy.
Mayor Sam is deleting posts again. You're protecting Antonio. What happened to freedom of speech on this blog? The reporters are getting sick and tired of Antonio running to where ever the cameras are and invading other people's press conf. They say he's making a fool of himself.
Did you guys see the News on ABC last night "abc7.com: Ask the Mayor" segment?
A person emailed a question on why our Mayor seems to be spending too much time outside with the cameras instead of doing work at his desk.
AV replied somewhat saying that he will be at his desk when it's necessary and to be in the cityis important....paraphrasing..
I'm surprised he actually answered a question and I'm surprised that they let that question on.
The kids have been a major problem only in the past few weeks. When we bought our house there were no college houses on this street except the Frat house a block away. They never bothered us but in the past 3 years we now have 11 houses in close proximity. Which came first? Well the freshman just got here so I guess my children who were born 7 years ago did! We did. The college was there but there were no student houses on my street. I didn't buy a house on campus or even on LMU Blvd.
The drinking age is 21! The LMU kids we are bothered by aren't the ones on financial aid that are probably working to support themselves. It's the ones with the BMW's and L.V. purses and high end trucks that come barreling down our streets looking for party's and creating them in the middle of our neighborhoods if they can't find them. It's the 3 or more alchohol poisoning runs that our local paramedics are attending to ON CAMPUS every weekend that take away from Public Safety in our Community. Heaven forbid your kid or neighbor needs a paramedic that is tied up delivering
a waisted underage drunk kid to a hospital and doesn't make it back up that hill in time. Ask the paramedics-they are pissed. I don't think these are the LMU kids that know what responsibility and respect are. Those kids are not on our streets late at night punching cars, throwing up, laying in the middle of 80th street naked! This is a whole different breed and they are even visiting from other University's cause they heard "Westchester Rocks"! If the University wants to have a Frat and Sorority Row than they can buy our houses here on our street.
I know people that have lived on my street for 30 years and they are outside on the weekends making sure their cars don't get vandalized. The University is great, MANY of the kids are fabulous but we have some spoiled ones with a lot of money and alot of free time and no responsibilities. Those are the ones going out of control and giving the University a bad name. My parents raised me right we are just asking them to act like adults and have party's responsibly. Everyone in our community says this year is different. The kids out at night are gross, loud and distructive have no class or self respect. Some of the parents even apologized when their kids moved in- telling my neighbors that we have to tell them about the boundaries for living in this area (cause the parents couldn't do it) So we are out parenting other peoples kids when they go crazy on the weekends-nice!
Sounds like the LMU neighbors have a lot of legit gripes that they need to convey fully and precisely to the admin -- and then start inviting the Pres to meet with a group of them. Make it on the rowdiest night of the week, right there in the neighborhood.
Truth is, one of the big reasons we send our kids to school -- at any age -- is to get them away from us.
I'm about an hour away from UCLA. I paid for my son's college & apartment. It was the best 6 years of tranquility that I ever had. He probably made it impossible to live with in his community, but I enjoyed his absence.
LMU Community Neighbors,
If these kids are residing off campus in a frat/sor house or renting a house, you all have a great option. Use the civil court method.
Document all your issues through photos, calls to LAPD, calls to the college etc. Afterwards after no action, each individual in the neighborhood can sue in civil court for up to $5K. In this court you don't have to have a lawyer. Just present the documentation. If everyone in the neighborhood did this, then the owner of the property would be in some big financial straits and may then decide not to lease to college students any more. Call your local LAPD office or Rocky's office. They'll tell you more.
Actually, Rocky's office has a neighborhood Prosecutor assigned for just these kinds of issues. Just call and ask for him or her.
Look, you can't buy a Chevy and then ask for it to be a Rolls-Royce. Houses are always cheaper when you buy near a school or park, for that very reason.
That having been said, there is no excuse for rude behavior, late night partying on a regular basis, pissing on lawns, leaving beer cans, etc. That really is Disturbing the Peace.
Since my wife (she's dead, too) is a Regent at LMU, I'll tell her about this and see if she wants to take it up with Father Bob Lawton, S.J., the President, who is a top flight guy.
There should be some regulation and some adjustments, because people, kids or no, need to respect each other and live together.
This is a problem with a solution.
Sarcasm said . . .
10:44 PM - That's clever. We have a renter in our neighborhood who we don't like because of their ethnic origin. We're going to "document" stuff too and threaten a lawsuit so that the owner won't rent to "those people" anymore.
Glad to know that'll hold up in court!
I am a recent LMU graduate and I think that the problem exist because neither side of the argument is willing to compromise with each other in the slightest way. I will admit that the beginning of the school year is generally the worst time of the year to be a resident in Westchester. However, the majority of that problem lies with the incoming class of freshmen who go crazy for the first month or two of college as they adjust to life away from their parents. Now don't get me wrong, this in no way excuses their behavior, but it is a logical explanation for the events that take place. In fact, I would wager that the majority of us acted a little irresponsibly when we first went away to college as well. But you as a community can’t label all 5000 LMU students as the entire problem and expect this situation to go away.
In my opinion, an equal portion of the blame in this situation rests with the neighbors as well. Even though you were the ones who decided to move into a community adjacent to a major university, your demands are one sided and you will not compromise with the student body to find a middle ground of acceptable times and days in which parties are ok. You treat them as though they are children and consequently, they respond to your scolding and finger waving in the way that most children do, they rebel and do it twice as much. However, if you spoke to them as an equal adult, I think that you would find their response in a very different manner. When I lived in the community, my roommates and I had an agreement to notify our neighbors in advance of nights when we were planning to have parties and we agreed to have the music shut off at midnight in accordance with LA noise statutes. In addition, we agreed to patrol the neighborhood the following morning and pick up any trash that our irresponsible party guests might have left behind.
The simple fact of the matter is the fact that LMU student body is in many ways one of the most superior student bodies in the country. (If you don’t believe me, visit UC Santa Barbara on any night during the week.) In fact, I think that many of you would be damn proud to send your children to such a fine institution. The general population of the LMU student body enriches the diversity of the Westchester community though their patronage of local businesses (especially the fireside) and through their philanthropic activities. In fact, I would bet that the majority of you would be awestruck by the amount of community service hours that are logged and charitably dollars that are raised each year by the student body at Loyola Marymount University.
Maybe the Westchester community as a whole should stop acting like a bunch of crybaby liberals by threatening to sue, and instead act like rational adults by scheduling negations with the main student organizations on campus like the ASLMU, the Greek Council, the sports teams, and the Crimson Circle to discuss what sort of middle ground you can come to. It is obvious that neither side, be it the students nor the neighbors can get everything their way, that’s just the way life goes. However, it does not excuse both sides from being pigheaded and childish. There has to be a suitable and rational settlement made.
Mc
I would now like to consider this matter closed. Let us all now hold hands and sing from the great spiritual………..
I close my eyes
Only for a moment, then the moment's gone
All my dreams
Pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
Very interesting comments on here. From the side of living in the neighborhood for 15 years, I do have to agree things have changed. We have a frat house around the corner who used to notify us of their parties. They were twice a year and while it was loud and rocking, we all knew they would shut it down at 12 and life would go back to normal. Now there are 4 rental houses on the street and that frat house has decided that partying 4 nights out of the week is great. We have the legal right to a quiet neighborhood...being next to LMU does not excuse the law. And while we are on the matter of law...legal drinking age is 21 not 18 as many seem to think. Urinating in public is illegal. Fornicating in public is illegal( but thanks for using those condoms!) Damaging others proerty is illegal. LMU being here 400 years will not excuse the facts that these are illegal actions and need to be stopped. It is not the majority of the student body, but the college as a whole is getting a bad name because of the poor behavior of the children. Yes children. They are spoken to this way by the neighbors because this is the way they behave. There is not way they would do this in their mother's neighborhood...same applies. Even they can't control the problems...that much is evident by the ones who have to call the police on THEMSELVES to get rid of the partiers! And by the way...alumni talking here...lived on Georgetown and never had the police called on our partys!
Screw Rosendahl. Where's his hot assistant Phil Tate?
My thoughts have already been posted here by many other people, but I thought I would just pipe up a little bit. It's a college campus. IT IS A COLLEGE CAMPUS. Who goes to college? Kids. Crazy kids looking for a good time. What did you expect moving into the neighborhood? I shouldn't be surprised. If you are ignorant enough to believe that a silly, poorly constructed website and an embarrassingly written "personal journal" of things that "made life impossible" would do anything, you're obviously stupid enough to expect something different from the immediate area surrounding a college campus. LMU is a blessing to Westchester. The kids who go to LMU are good kids who are just doing what any other college kid does. It is shocking to believe that there are people who run around collecting facts on kids who drink too much, hide in bushes to take pictures of kegs being loaded into cars, and counting how many open beers they see walking down the street. It is pathetic and it is stupid. Good luck trying to change something that was there WAY before you and your jounral hit the scene. Honestly, get a life.
>> My thoughts have already been posted here by many other people, but I thought I would just pipe up a little bit. It's a college campus. IT IS A COLLEGE CAMPUS. Who goes to college? Kids
Yes but it is a "Catholic University" and I certainly expect a higher level of responsibility from the students that LMU accepts. LMU should be ashamed of their behavior and it should be clamping down on them else it will be thought of as just another party school.
Dear Westchester Community.
I can’t help but crack a smile knowing how much sleep you lose during the school year.
The kids honestly have nowhere to go. It’s not their fault. You can’t drink in a bar if your not 21 and LMU won’t dare look the other way at drinking on campus like more community responsible private institutions do. There zero tolerance policy is completely insane.
There is no outlet. No place to go.
To argue that underage people have no place in consuming alcohol because it is against the law is naïve and hypocritical.
The drinking laws used to be 18 yr. old in the US (federally. They still are). Remember those days? When you were 18, you drank. And drank hard. Why would kids today be any different?
The president of the school used to buy kegs for the incoming freshmen living in Rosecrans hall. What exactly has changed since the 50s that now makes this inappropriate? The drug hasen’t changed. Kids haven’t changed. Explain this to me intelligently and then I will help you win back your neighborhood.
The tight spot you find yourselves in as disgruntled homeowners is the product of the laws and regulations that you as a community helped implement. As the school grows the situation will just get worse. I smile.
Attacking the problem with fines and arrests is not the answer. The problem will not go away. Your chasing the effect, not the cause.
Give the kids some place to drink and they will disappear. Containment. The key.
If you want proof. Look at Europe or the common wealth. You can’t find a house party because all the kids are at the university bar far from sleepy neighbors and manicured lawns.
If I had the money I would buy up every house on Loyola bvld and make it a point to rent it out to every frat and sorority I could find.
To sum it all up. I sincerely hope you move out of the neighborhood or leave the kids alone.
>>There is no outlet. No place to go.
Well maybe up in Watsonville. But this is LA and this is a beach community. There's plenty to do without trashing your neighborhood or wrecking your schools reputation.
"The kids honestly have nowhere to go. It’s not their fault. You can’t drink in a bar if your not 21 and LMU won’t dare look the other way at drinking on campus like more community responsible private institutions do. There zero tolerance policy is completely insane.
There is no outlet. No place to go.
To argue that underage people have no place in consuming alcohol because it is against the law is naïve and hypocritical."
I truly hope you never have the occassion to meet one of these students, 18 or otherwise, coming at you head-on as you are driving home from work late at night. The fact of the matter is...underage binge drinking is a national problem. Unfortunately, I believe it is going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed before anyone will agree that what is going on is wrong. I just hope it isn't an innnocent bystander/driver/walker/CHILD!
I grew up in Westchester and went to LMU; in fact, I know that house and once upon a time sat on the lawn in the sunshine with great friends, many of whom changed me for the better.
If we're talking here about LMU came first and the homeowners of Westchester have grievances and the like, let me say to these same home owners: Look at your high school students.
Growing up in Westerchester and going to elementary school and high school there was like living in a bizzaro world. There's a puritanical subtext that permeates the whole area; you have affluent young kids who choose to behave like marginal income bums and tough kids who get in fights constantly and their parents never even know.
The problem with Westchester is that all the parents want to believe they are living in the suburban dream but missed the part that they live in the middle of Los Angeles where life is a bit more complicated than elsewhere.
You want to talk to me about college guys, whom graduate and become some of the best men around? I want to talk to you about your drug addicted, sex crazed teenagers who do all these things in Westchester and Playa Del Rey. Nothing's changed in the years since I was there; I can still walk around on a Friday night and see the high school kids on the prowl, drunk, looking for sex and fights.
They can't get into bars and don't populate Loyola Blvd.; they go where you can't see them, but disenfranchised high schools may not even make to college, so that should be of paramount concern compared with a bunch of rowdies who are on their way to paying for your schools with their property taxes as well.
Feel free to contact me for more information and I'll tell you how these college kids build schools in Mexico, raise money for charity, contribute to sustainable development projects, and live good lives.
Dear Westchester, buy some earplugs and go take care of high school kids.
I too grew up in Westchester and graduated from LMU. From many of the stories, it seems like not much has changed since I went to school there. College kids are still partying...just like when my parents were in college...and probably still will be that way when my kids are in college. Growing up in Westchester, I remember playing soccer on LMU's soccer field, playing baseball @ their baseball stadium, swimming in their pool, playing basketball in their gym, running on their track, enjoying 4th of July fireworks from their bluff, learning how to drive in the enormous parking lot at what used to be the entrance of the university. I'm sure I wasn't the only Westchester resident who enjoyed the benefits of having this university just blocks away. Let's please remember what the university brings to the Westchester community.
Please remember that you moved into a community with a 4 year non-commuter university that's been here long before you moved in. You knew what you could be getting yourself into, and if you didn't, then shame on you. This is just like the people who complain about the airport noise...guess what, you live near an airport...you're going to hear airplanes....same concept, you moved near a university, there's going to be more parties than there would be if you moved near a senior citizen center.
Without LMU, Westchester would be nothing but an Inglewood closer to the Marina. LMU keeps property values up and provides a beautiful place to walk and play. Before you attack Loyola, consider the area without a prestigious school and those nice alumni neighbors that surround you.
Hello-
I am a student at Loyola Marymount. I have been there for three years and noticed the tension growing between the neighborhood as well as the university. There are many issues at hand and I would like to begin by saying stereotypes and name-calling are not going to get anyone anywhere.
*First off, I am in a sorority, our greek life accounts for only 23% of the entire campus, saying parties are all fraternity related is an untruth.
*LMU has been here since 1929, before neighborhoods were there. The quality of LMU and stigma we strive for increased the value of the area differentiating it from other close lying areas.
*Individual property values are LESS surrounding the campus DIRECTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NEAR A UNIVERSITY!
*All colleges have students who like to party. Most colleges have a place for them to do so (ie: USC's "Frat Row"). At LMU we do not have greek houses to comply with the Westchester community regulations. This leaves over 4000 students with few options for a night life.
*The VAST majority of Juniors/Seniors are not able to live on campus due to a limited housing availability. We no longer have any place to live and have to look "off-campus"
*To say that LMU students have no ethics, moral system or that LMU is bad all around based on our weekend activities is completly false. Such generalizations are the catalyst to the problems we are facing today.
*Regarding LMU being all "rich kids" yes, there are some weathier young adults at this school however it costs over $40,000 a year to attend making financial stability necessary. Nonetheless, a majority of our campus is on partial to full scholarships and recieving some form of financial aid.
*Parking::: ANY LMU student will agree that parking is a problem, we are along side with the community. We do not want to park out by your houses any more than you want us there. It is a further walk. There is no doubt there is not sufficent parking on campus for all students and faculty.
I appreciate you taking the time to read this. Finally, think back to when you were in college: what did you do on a weekend? where did you go? Yes we are in our high-teens/early-twenties. We are still growing and learning and becoming the people that along with LMU's guidance will shape the future. Yes we will make mistakes along the way but we are not bad people. I ask for your cooperation with this matter, think about our perspective as well before jumping to conclusions. I know very well that it is easy to get caught up on the bandwagon, but PLEASE, listen to our situation as well.
Thank you for your time and consideration, I look forward to creating a harmonious relationship with the Westchester community.
Best,
Kristin
I just wanted to clear up an error I saw earlier that i know to be an exaggeration. Anonymous said at 10:03 that:
" It's the 3 or more alchohol poisoning runs that our local paramedics are attending to ON CAMPUS every weekend"
I worked as an EMT on campus for three years and LAFD medics were called about once a week during the school year. That figure includes all 911 calls, not just ones that are alcohol-related. Only a few times over three years I was there did LAFD respond paramedics to campus three or more times in one night.
There were countless weeks where LAFD did not get one 911 call from LMU's campus. One call to LAFD a week for a campus community of over 4000 does not seem unreasonable at all and to say it is diminishing the 911 response to the area is a gross exaggeration. LMU has a group of dedicated EMT's that volunteer to respond to all emergencies on campus. If it wasn't for them, LAFD would respond to approximately 350 calls a year.
As an alumni of LMU and a resident of the area I have one thing to say. The neighborhood around LMU should be thankful LMU is there, if it was not the price of homes around the area would not be as high and the community would not be nearly as safe! I'm sure all of those casting rocks never drank when they were underage or had/went to a loud parties. Please keep in mind you moved into the area after the University! LMU students are no where near as loud and destructive as other students, they just aren't stuck in the middle of such a close minded town! Relax, please or move!
I'm going insane reading some of these comments, I am an alumn and in debt over $45,000 for my education!!! Stop generalizing, we are not all "RICH KIDS"! I spent my last year leaving in the westchester community with other LMU students, we had our share of parties but never once did a neighbor complain!!! Give the kids a place to party and hang out!!!
Poor kids party too. Us children of the lower incomes, still have the tendency to pee and curse, and we enjoy a good ruckus in your streets. If you find your cats walking funny it was because of us, and all that complaining does nothing but make us pee in your gas tanks. So get to know us. We enjoy a nice community setting also. We will make sure to give a wave and a freindly hello next time we see any of you.
are you kidding me? you people of westchester have nothing better to do than sit here and bitch about us living up the best/last four years of our lives before we make it into the "real world"??? this is the most ridiculous bunch of shit i have ever read in my life. DEAL with the fact that we are in college and are just trying to have a good time. DEAL with the fact that you live in a college neighborhood. DEAL with the fact that we are all "rich" and terrorizing your streets in our BMW's. i'm soooooooooo sorry that my dad worked hard for everything that he has accomplished in his life and can afford to send me to a nice school. that's real mature of you, blame us for our parents being successful.... i think after comments like that, YOU should be the ones in school. you make me sick.
if you don't like the fact that you live in a college area, with a bunch of college students who work their asses off during the week and then play hard on the weekends to reward themselves, then move to inglewood and tell me how much better gunshots and crack deals are.
sit back and realize that we are in college, doing "college" things just as you people did. that is, if you even made it to college... which is questionnable to me after reading such moronic rants and tirades that you post on here. get a life people. you posting all this crap doesn't help the situation, nor does it make us want to help you out and change what we do every weekend. in fact, it makes me want to get out of my bed right now and (sober) piss on all your lawns. GET A LIFE!
hugs and kisses,
reggie.
My beemer is hot and sweet and I probably have passed out on your lawn one too many times. If you find my Gucci wallet/$400 phone/One card there please don't run them over with your lawnmower and send to LMU lost and found.
Thanks.
SAME.... and if you find my three tiffany's bracelets that are identical please send them to the lost and found as well.
Thanks.
This whole thing is ridiculous. Nobody forced any of you to live within a few blocks of a university. Unless you never went to college, you knew EXACTLY what you were getting into when you chose to buy your home. This is especially true for the neighbors of the Alpha Delta Gamma house. It's been a frat house for over a decade. For you to have bought your home completely oblivious to this is absurd.
Furthermore, if living near LMU does anything to the value of your home it raises it. The campus is beautiful and you can bet that if it wasn't where it is, your neighborhood wouldn't be nearly as expensive.
Lastly, and most importantly, the way you all are approaching this is foolish. Do you honestly think that 19-year-old college kids are going to hear a word you're saying when you treat the situation like some sort of animal infestation? We're human beings and legal adults. Stop talking down to us and we might just listen.
Your comments towards LMU students only demonstrate your lack of intelligence. Instead of insulting LMU students, maybe you should consider taking a few classes at LMU. I feel bad for your children.
I have seen neighborhoods terrorized, and Westchester is not one of those neighborhoods. Visit the city of Boulder, CO, where you will find one of the BIGGEST party schools in the country. This is SUBURBAN COLORADO. You do not live in the suburbs; you live in one of the LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY... LA, where some of the worst crime and neighborhood terrorizing occurs. You live near a CATHOLIC JESUIT college, where students leave to party on a lesser basis then other non Jesuit/Catholic schools. You are luckier then you know to live by LMU. Right down the street from this school and your neighborhood is the city of Inglewood, which is known COUTRYWIDE to boast some of the worst crime and overall neighborhood problems in the country. Yet your ignorance causes you to blame LMU as the problem, while it is in fact LMU that is keeping you from the problems that occur right down the street from your own door. You would rather have the cops pull themselves out of some of the poorest neighborhoods in the country, attempting to keep the underprivileged safe, in order for your rich asses to stay "safe" from the college students that many of you once were. Think long and hard about what you are doing to your "beach community" where there apparently should be more to do then elsewhere. In fact, let me tell you something about being in this beach community. If you choose to enjoy the natural beauty of the beach at night, you will end up with a $45 dollar parking ticket for being in a beach lot after hours and a talk from the cops asking you to leave because the beach closes at sundown. So there is not plenty to do. LA is a city that never sleeps, it always appears that there is something to do... but of those many people driving one the highways at night, how many are drunk? Would you like the college kids in your neighborhood to become a statistic and drive drunk to some party that is miles away from campus? And don't rebuttal by telling me that drinking is illegal for the underage, because we all know about that law. The truth is though, that you will never get college kids to stop drinking, it is a part of growing up, and always will be. I'm sure many of you drank when you were 18+. By the way, it doesn't matter that the law said the age was different then, because the law does not change the fact that biologically and psychologically speaking, people under 21 have the tendency to drink. I do agree that it is pretty messed up that people are highly disrespectful, but I do not believe that these few, select, people should decide the reputation of the school and its students. You will never see me be one of the disrespectful people on your lawn taking a leak. I just want to walk to a party once in a while to get away from the stresses of this system that YOU the elders have created for us to live in. Please, respect us as students, and in return, we will respect you. We are not little children; we are adults, just like you. We fight in your wars, but we cannot party... that is really messed up. Don't make our lives horrible by forcing us to live in your system, let us instead enjoy it a little bit. Don't hate, help create. Peace.
I am a student who has been living off capmpus, 1 block away for 2 years now. i have dealt with a lot, and i have hear a lot, seen a lot, etc...I can see that many people understand the neigbors are rediculous. We have to do something. I can take it, i have to be a bouncer outside my house every weekend. meaning i dont get to have fun. I sit there, outside, being an A-hole to everyone who comes near my house or my neigbors houses, telling them to keep walking or to be quite, even when no one is in my house. This is pathetic. The Police officers even said that REGIS ave, was way way worse in 1995 then it is now. Westchester needs LMU, Marina Del Ray needs LMU....There is no economy without us. Half those businesses would not last if LMU wasnt here. This neigborhood would be a ghetto. Im so tired of this shit. The police have better things to do than get called about some young college kids roaming the neigborhood...they should be out "protecting and serving" as their motto states. They should be out preventing robberies and car thefts, and murders that we never hear about on the 10 o'clock news. The more the neigbors complain the more they are just going to hurt themselves in the end. And that website by the way, that neigborhood website, and their cute little "block Captain" and other bullshit games you guys play, isnt doing anything....o another thing...LMU DOES NOT OWN THEIR STUDENTS....i had a neigbor say that LMU should not let its students off campus...at all. WHAT THE F***. ARe you for real, what is this a jail...a nazi concentration camp.....???? Get a job ladies, im sorry, i dont want to be a jerk off and sound like this but come on....Dont you have better things to do? Im tired of this nonsense. This shouldnt be an issue...I have other things to deal with than people trying to have fun...I think there is enough backing to this problem against the neigbors....just think about it...please sit down and think...i got a better idea...sell your houses and move before the market crashes. Your 1920's and 30's built houses must be worht 800K+. Take the money and move like 6 blocks further. It will be better for us, and you. Win win situation. We are not trying to hurt anyone, but this is reality...this is life...we are going to have fun, we are going to run the world, and we will be future millionares that will be paying your social security. Leave us alone, leave LMU alone, and Leave the Police alone. We all have bigger issue to deal with than this miniscule, stupid(for lack of a better word) problem. im over it, some one else will rip on you guys.,... o and P.S. Next time you want to hold a meeting....INVITE us all. Your secret meetings will not get you anywhere. you are only fueling the fire people....
While I agree that 'partying' at LMU has gotten out of hand since it has been in the past, the school is expanding and providing more opportunities for high school students to receive a good education. Not to mention, with the expansion of the student body comes expansion of the facilities...facilities that the residents and complainees of Westchester use. If you're going to separate yourselves from us, do so completely and quit using our stuff. As I see it, I pay nearly $40,000 per year to attend a great universtiy (almost 60% of which comes from financial aid) and I don't see the majority of Westchester residents paying anything to use our campus. Also, I doubt namecalling and generalizing is going to help anything. 'Rich BMW-driving brats' make up how much of our student body? Look at the numbers people...don't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us. If you see someone throwing up on your house or peeing on your bushes, CALL THE COPS...thats what theyre there for. Beleive it or not, these kids DO get punished for what they do and there ARE systems in place to both prevent and rectify situations like this. STOP GENERALIZING AND DO YOUR RESEARCH. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM, ITS NORMAL. ITS COLLEGE.
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