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Tuesday, March 08, 2005

Election Day

pollNow its up to the voters. The candidates have spun, lied, talked, cajoled, begged and pleaded. Until the runoffs begin, the campaigns are over. Taking a cue from LA Voice, we'd like to give you an opportunity to tell us what you saw at your polling place, or anywhere else along the way on this fine, election day.


Anonymous boifromtroy said:

One other person voting at 7:02am at Crescent Heights and Fountain.

5 old ladies debating about whether we can sign upside-down like in County elections.

March 08, 2005 1:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Many new ALARCON lawn signs placed prominently (safe, legal range) along the route most of the community would take to vote - in central/south CD14.

March 08, 2005 1:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Poll workers looking bored and alone in CD1, near Mt. Washington.

March 08, 2005 1:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Barlow Hospital in CD 14 full at 9:30 and much buzz about the choices to replace Hahn.

March 08, 2005 2:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I meant Barlow Hospital in CD 13.

March 08, 2005 2:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Many people on the streets, waiting for buses, etc., but no one coming to or from polls in East Hollywood.

March 08, 2005 2:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I haven't seen any comments or analysis as to what the mix of council seats up for election this time means to the mayor's race i.e., if people in certain mayoral candidates strong-holds are more likely to go and vote if they have two tops spots (mayor and councilmember) to select from versus just the mayor's race. That must have some affect - higher turnout there (where CC races are, especially if contested), and lower where there is no Council spot up for grabs.

March 08, 2005 2:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is a strange. No one at polls in West LA at 8:30am. Nothing like Nov. when there was a line out the door.

March 08, 2005 2:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

no one in the valley is voting. i can hear the hertzberg busway crashing to a halt. I hope stepen sulkes knows where the valley ball is.

March 08, 2005 2:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Not surprised, the Valley and Westside have the highest percentages of absentee ballot voters. The Times reported that 200,000 were requested citywide - 100,000 were already received by yesterday, and turnout is expected to be about 500,000 (roughly one-third of the eligible).

March 08, 2005 3:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The farther leftie the candidates go, the smaller their percentage of absentees (compared to their final total). Not as true as it used to be, but still a factor.

March 08, 2005 3:04 PM  

Anonymous Buster Cherry said:

Lotsa voters in West Hills, as usual. Not usual was some kind of poll watcher from the city. She was sitting at the table wearing a sticker that said "Hola" and she could barely speak English. OK with me, but if she was from the UN, I would have thrown her into the street.

Buster Cherry

March 08, 2005 3:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Does anyone know where President Alex Padilla has been hiding out? What a poor excuse for the president of the 2nd largest city to not come out and hide throughout this entire election process. Now I know why people call him "Gameboy Padilla."

March 08, 2005 3:26 PM  

Anonymous meat said:


Those folks work for the LA Times - they are doing exit polling.

I'll post the first set of exit polling when i get it.

blog away

March 08, 2005 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Recall petition gatherers spotted in Boyle Heights polling places. Approaching voters as they exit the polls. Have flyers that state ,"ANTONIO LIED WHILE OUR KIDS DIED." There is a picture of Antonio with the quote "I will be at every homicide, I promise." The flyer ends with "DO YOU CONDONE USING THESE TRAGEDIES FOR POLITICAL GAIN." They got my signature.

March 08, 2005 3:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

BTW, an editor of a daily in large circulation told me that when they got Hahn's release about the Vignali letter (again), they all yawned. That card is played out, so if Hahn does survive today, the letter won't work again this time against Antonio.

Light turnout means Jimmyboy and Tony Rap in the run-off...

March 08, 2005 3:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lots of voting here in the south valley.

Several anti-illegal Republican types I know switched their votes from Walter to Hugsberg at the last minute.

"Pragmatism over idealism" was the saying.

March 08, 2005 3:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Low turnout actually breaks better for Bob and Antonio. And those absentees all came in before Jimmy's last hissyfit going negative on them. Doesn't look good for the Mayor.

March 08, 2005 3:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Not necessarily. Low turnout can be bad for Antonio. He's seen as leading in the race, his supporters are less driven for a primary that has to end in runoff. (If any saw/believed KABC-TV numbers, they rolled over and went back to sleep when the polls were opening.

March 08, 2005 3:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

PLEASE, Meat, spare us any more FAKE numbers (exit polling, yikes). We'll just have to beat you over the head with them the rest of this week when your deceit is discovered (again).

March 08, 2005 3:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

NO, wrong. Let him post them -- broadcast them widely. Early numbers showing Tony up even a bit will make more of his supporters stay home, or work late and miss voting.

March 08, 2005 3:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn doesn't have to play the Vignali card again. Unlike four years ago, it's public knowledge now... will haunt every interview, every debate, and the memory of every law-abiding, crime-fearing older than 25 (most voters).

March 08, 2005 3:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio didn't have the problem he has in 2005. That is most of his supporters who got him into council want him OUT. They are ALarcon, Huggy and Hahn people in CD14. They couldn't come out because of their candidates until after Tuesday. If Antonio gets in the run-off Hahn won't need the drug letter. Anti-ADV people will now come out and tell the press he hasn't done shit in his own district how the hell could he run a city? They will dispute his lies cause they are living proof of his exaggerations and lies.

March 08, 2005 4:20 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

If I had voted for Hahn or Villaraigosa, you wouldn't say I am shilling for them or that this site is run by their campaign.

You must have some real fear of Bob. Like maybe he will eliminate your unnecesary job or fire you for running up $7000 cell phone bills or looking at porn on city computers?

Hahn just lost it on the John and Ken Show and now LA Observed accuses the KFI show of "pimping" for Hertzberg. Had he been voting for Hahn, would LA Observed had said that John was supporting the mayor?

You guys are really afraid of Bob ehh?

Looks like a new sheriff is coming to town.

March 08, 2005 4:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam now you sound like you're losing it.

March 08, 2005 4:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow, i just saw a fight break out between Hertzberg and Hahn supporters at a polling station in the West Side. Crazy...about 7-8 people in total! what a rumble!!

March 08, 2005 6:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Whatever happens next, gotta love those first 100K "absentee" totals, in honor of the "absentee" councilmember, Tony V.

March 08, 2005 9:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

North Hollywood slow seen a lot of votes for AV and equal percentage for JH & BH. Will be imteresting tomorrow morning.

I predict AV & BH.

March 08, 2005 11:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

update #3, lying bob is falling farther back.

poor stephen sulkes must be still getting out the vote. In his head.

I wonder what andrei cherny is gonna say.

March 08, 2005 11:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I haven't been to a polling place in YEARS. Perma-nen-t Absen-tee Voter all the way!! Every election Conny B. McCormack automatically mails me my ballot weeks before the election; usually I get the absentee ballot before I get the sample ballot/info booklet.

PAV sign-up form is here:
Mail it to the address here:

March 09, 2005 12:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


March 09, 2005 4:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hugsberg is home this morning in a fetal position. All that money could have been spent helping his ex-wife...

Yes, there will be a new Sheriff in town, but it ain't agonna be Lyin' Bob.

March 09, 2005 4:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

dumbest and dumbester

March 09, 2005 4:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


WOW. for all that flapping Hertzberg pulls less than 85,000 votes to Soboroff's 2001 106,000 - without a Joel Wachs in the race! Soboroff could have easily bested Hahn this time around.

Hertzberg should be very disappointed.

March 09, 2005 5:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

what a desultory third!!

i hope you all get your bullsh*t adjusters tuned up.

Bob ran cause he wants to get better clients at his law firm. He did fundraisers with dick ziman. dick ziman owns every apartment building in l.a. and gets sued alot.

now that number is in bob's rolo.

bob did not want to win he could have pulled a john kerry and mortgaged asssets to get name reco.

soboroff did and almost pulled it off.

March 09, 2005 6:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I demand a recount!

March 09, 2005 6:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Better enjoy AV while it lasts. By the time people get through the entire city will know what a chump you are and how you have disrespected your own community. Because of the horrible bias press not printing the truth Alarcon, Huggy and others will be sure to campaign hard against him and let people know citywide he doesn't deserve to be mayor. This is exactly how it played out in 2001.

March 09, 2005 7:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Now that AV is in the run-off, I'm sure the organ grinder will start his/her music and all the recall monkeys will reassert their bogus claims that AV should be recalled.

March 09, 2005 7:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

After all the mud they have thrown at Hahn and his failed administration, Alarcon and Hertzberg can stay home (Huggy can stay in the fetal position)or they can endorse AV. There is no doubt about where Bernard will go, and he will campaign as hard as he can to get the black vote for AV.

I predict that Hugs and Richard will do the politically most beneficial thing (for them), that is, to endorse AV and finally send Hahn, along with Ted Stein, Bill Wardlaw, Leland Wong,Troy Edwards, Doug Dowie and a cast of thousands into permanent retirement.

Remember, an incumbent that can't win in the primary in L.A. can't win, period.

March 09, 2005 8:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To 7:49 ANON

"Now that AV is in the run-off, I'm sure the organ grinder will start his/her music..." There's already an organ grinder in this scene, his name is Parke Skelton. All Tony needed last night was that little monky hat, we all know he doesn't need a tin cup anymore. Have you ever seen a happier monkey? Tony's best line last night "I love Los Angeles, I really do...". Switch Los Angeles with any female name, and there you have Tony.

The number show in town now is the recall. Wait and see the contributions flow in!

March 09, 2005 8:23 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The best line from ADV was ..I"m going to be in every part of this city....Yeah, CD14 knows he's never in their district. This is going to be so much fun to watch. He lied about the 80 neighborhood watches and made more promises he can't keep just to get to this point. Now the people who couldn't speak are ready to.

March 09, 2005 8:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


March 09, 2005 9:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

or... BOB WACHS?

It was his (and joels) to loose. Soboroff went up against J. "K" Hahn and started at 1% in TIMES poll. Wachs pulled 11% and Soboroff still ended up with 21% and over 100,000 votes, bob's at 85,000 maybe he'll get to 92,000 - what a crash and burn

March 09, 2005 9:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Look at this MEAT! In LAT (shocked)... The head of a Los Angeles County government agency that doles out millions of dollars to community groups solicited campaign contributions from at least one of those groups while working for ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA's mayoral campaign.

March 09, 2005 9:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT, MEAT, WAKE UP! Come Ulysees, or should I say Useless, get sober quick because here's a sobering thought, how is Tony going to get the Black and Jewish vote? Blacks see Latinos as competition and Jews see us as there maids, gardeners and mechanics, not their mayor. Isn't it ironic that despite all the people that Tony has surrendered to, I mean surrounded himself with, they are not going to be able to get the Jewish vote for Tony. Let's hear some of your brilliant wisdom, how are you going to get even a fraction of those 500,000 elligible Latino voters to the polls. When you worked for Victor Griego you couldn't have learned much. What's Victor's campaign in percentage, 8%!

March 09, 2005 9:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I guess it Hertz to lose by just the tip of an iceBerg, huh Bob?

March 09, 2005 9:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good job Meat!
Well I guess the numbers speak loud & clear.










13.37 %

March 09, 2005 9:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The recall will continue, CD14 will go all out to expose AV's inability to represent and serve the 14th district!
from the grass roots of cd14.

March 09, 2005 10:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Results in CD14:

AV 14,166 64.5%
JH 4,582 20.9%
BH 1,906 8.7%
BP 1,167 5.3%
RA 1,205 5.5%

Antonio was much stronger in the 14th than he was in 01 or 03.

Case closed.

March 09, 2005 10:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LA should be ashamed of itself. With 3.8 mil that's all that came out to vote?

March 09, 2005 10:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Case closed? It hasn't even started. All those dumb people who are not involved in their own community have no clue what's going on. The Westsiders and Valley will soon learn that ADV supports illegal immigration, gangs, vendors, sued LAPD while at ACLU, wants a new Chief (a Latino I hear). Hope those RECALL people go citywide with those flyers they were giving out yesterday.

March 09, 2005 10:33 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Sorry, previous Anon, the very BEST line of the night from Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa was when he VERY tellingly misquoted JFK, and said he watched the speech with his mother (the one who made him wear "rags" to school). "Ask not what YOU can do for your country, bu what YOUR COUNTRY can do for you," ADV® said (must not have been paying attention to the speech, or Kennedy's moderate Dem legacy, either) And then when he saw people's looks, he followed it with, "Well, you know what I mean." YEAH, we KNOW what you mean, ADV® and what you stand for... that's why you got 25,000 less votes than in 2001 citywide, and are hemmoraging support from your Latino base.

I'm also looking forward to watching ADV® court the African American vote his people presume Hahn has completely lost (once there's not AA candidate in the race. (Not the rabid reverends, mind you, but the REAL AA community where he'll no doubt pander along the lines of another empty-suited misquoter, and tell them), "My mind is a terrible, wasted thing."

Now that the muddle of having Heinz-57-variety candidates in the primary is over, my prediction, for the books for May 17:

Hahn - 51.5
ADV® - 48.5

Close but no see-gar, ADV®. Short of Hahn being shipped off to prison in striped clothes by May Day, there are still 2-3 times as many anti-ADV® votes (in the 40+ percent who showed up this time and voted for also-rans and in the hundreds of thousands of no-shows) as there are Anti-Hahn votes.

March 09, 2005 11:00 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

P.S. Re: CD14. . . get real, Harriman-in-hiding. 800 or so additional votes for a sitting CD14 councilmember vs. the amount he got as a less-known, out-of-work assemblyman 4 years ago (who then only served part of the district) is NOT "much stronger" it's an embarrassment to him, and his people are very worried about it. Hahn increased HIS CD14 votes over 2001 this time by 1,200. By your same logic that makes him even MUCH "much stronger" than in 2001. The Eastside is eroding (and/or losing interest) faster than Tony's campaign insultants can create new "scandals" for their Plan A. It's a repeat, and the numbers will fall closer, but ADV® still can't increase his primary numbers by more than 50 percent, which leaves him in the high 40s in the general. I'm on record... (early, too).

P.P.S. I guess SurveyUSA is out of the L.A. mayoral race business. Overestimated ADV®'s support by 25 percent??? WOW! what a waste of perfectly good dialing robots. Next person to post their numbers for the general should be laughed off the blog.

March 09, 2005 11:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No wonder why ADV kept saying he was not just a Latino candidate. Interesting how he will play this one. This is what LAT says...If he seeks to energize Latinos about the prospect of a historic first, Villaraigosa could alarm other voters who are wary of the group's growing political clout, analysts said. But shying away from the ethnic pride associated with his bid could deflate excitement among that important constituency.

March 09, 2005 11:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bitter SackoWacko...Time will tell what happens in the runoff. I look forward to your useless dialogue of nonsense, rumors and biased facts. Enjoy the runoff!

March 09, 2005 11:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

10:25 Anon stated,
"Antonio was much stronger in the 14th than he was in 01 or 03.

Case closed."

Case closed? What numbers are you looking at? Tony gets 2/3 of the vote in his own district and you gloat?! Virtually every incumbent in the eastside, (Roybal, Roybal-Allard, Molina,...etc.., -and even Becerra) routinely get 75% -to 85% of the vote when running for re-election. Tony spends millions more in this campaign and he winds up with an Alatorreiesque 64%. Tony's consultants have turn a potentially insurmountable Latino base into a campaign liability - can't offend master! What could be a signature Latino election will now be a case study of wasted opportunity, and not at Latino hands - start recruiting Latinos Parke.

And for you RECALL people, the other side of the numbers is that 50,000 registered voters in the 14th didn't vote for Tony. Think you guys can wake 30% of this sleeping majority?

March 09, 2005 11:53 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Anon 11:17. Please get your blog characters in order -- maybe Mayor Sam could publish a game progam? (And get a thesaurus... GEEZ. calling EVERYone whose ideas you don't like either "bitter" or "wacko" is getting SO tiring. There must some other descriptive words to malign people with -- ask that wordy bigotted blogger on your side for a few). BERNIE is bitter, BOBBIE is bitter. WALTER is Wacko (and apparently "Moore is bitter" here also). SacramentoNighties isn't bitter. Disgusted, yes - but not surprised. I hoped for better, but expected it might even be a bit worse. In many ways, however, people's overwhelming lack of interest in "rewarding" ADV® for two lousy years on Council with a promotion (and, supposedly, ridding the city of a big, bad "corrupt" mayor) is a hopeful sign. I said repeatedly ADV® would make the runoff. He did, with far less votes than 4 years ago.

I won't be "enjoying" the runoff, in any case, however sarcastic that was meant to be. For CD14 it just means 10 more weeks of an absentee, "honorary" do-nothing councilmember, which makes none of this enjoyable -- regardless of outcome. Following that, we either have a 21st century city run by a equally do-nothing dinosaur pol like ADV®- which is doubtful (and a CM seat just slightly more empty than Tony's suit), or an even more "bitter", more do-nothing CM in that district who's viewed downtown as a hapless two-time loser - the most likely outcome. Either way, CD14 just KEEPS losing.

March 09, 2005 11:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

64% of a much smaller turnout... Hey, if you can turn even more people off to the process and get far LESS people in CD14 to show up for the general (maybe just limit it to Mount Washington and "RE-gressive" portions of Glassell), ADV could get 97% of the district -- out of just a few thousand total votes. Then people would think his popularity has gone through the roof in the district. (Only 64 percent yesterday? What happened to the "81% approval rating" in that district???) Hahn's numbers improved more percent-wise in CD14 than Tony's.

March 09, 2005 12:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It looks like we are in for some very boring debates.

Antonio will try to be controlled like he was in the primary and the Mayor, well, he'll just be himself.

Dull & Duller

March 09, 2005 12:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


March 09, 2005 12:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What does SurveyUSA (and KABC-TV) have to say about their way out-of-whack polling? The so-called "Republican" poll put out weeks earlier, back when 25-30 percent were still showing as undecided, was actually closer in most cases to the near-final numbers from yesterday. They had the order right (so far). KABC-TV got screwed BIG time.

March 09, 2005 12:30 PM  

Anonymous GIRTH said:

HAHAHA, nice to see all your Huggy Hertzy supporers trying to SPIN SPIN SPIN!! I think i know what did it though - those lame ass ads and the constant sucking up to prominent Republicans.

Trying to present himself as the "safe Democrat" to GOP voters was NOT a smart move. I am glad that such cynical politicking did not pay off for him.

March 09, 2005 1:20 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

My DOG, whatever will ADV® do to present himself as a "safe Democrat" to the two-thirds of the electorate that didn't vote for him this time and the 50+ percent that even more specifically ran screaming from him in 2001? Stay tuned, boys and girls, it's going to be a non-stop, two-fisted game of pander and slander (pander to the middle; slander Hahn and anyone that supports him even more than ever). His liberal/"progressive" core better push those rose-colored glasses even further back on their noses and look away.

Speaking of noses, I understand this time the campaign will be replacing the traditional imprinted pen & pencil tchotchkes with old-fashioned clothespins, so his supporters can hold their ADV®-loving noses tight as they witness Mr. "ACLU-with-14-unanswered-homicides-in-my-district-this-year," trying to convince the other two-thirds he's a crime-and-punishment kind of moderate Dem. Slogan could be "Antonio 'Nose' What to Do" (he just can't get it done). Some folks just CAN'T wait to mix and match his anti-law enforcement voting record from the late 20th century with crime-busting mayoral campaign promises, Spring 2005.

March 09, 2005 1:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Westsiders, Valley and South LA need to know where ADV really stands on some of the issues he's been skirting. He supports illegal immigration (has more vendors in Boyle Heights then any other part of city) is against gang injuctions, takes credit for everyone else's work, LIED about creating 80 neighborhood watches, wants a Latino Chief, has been an absentee councilman for almost 2 years now. ADV can't even take care of his own district let alone an entire city. GO HAHN

March 09, 2005 2:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SacramentoNightThong must be really nervous with all that ranting he or she is doing. Whats the matter NightThong? Didn't get a pothole filled on your street?

March 09, 2005 8:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Potholes only get filled in CD14 on the streets (blocks actually) where contributors to the ADV mayoral campaign live. Ask the people in the north regional quadrant of El Sereno. They've lodged a formal complaint.

March 09, 2005 11:29 PM  

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