Four On One?
The breakdown in my humble opinion by their performances:
Alarcon: Clearly the winner. To bad he doesn't have the money to compete. He was a pit-bull from the start, never let up, hit all his points, and couldn't have done much better given the forum he was in.
Hertzberg: Definitely the most personality. Hit the key themes of traffic and LAUSD breakup repeatedly. Didn't shy from the Mayor one bit and took him on head-to-head on multiple occasions. I'd give him the second place ribbon
Hahn: Did OK considering he was on defense all evening. I'd give him third place. Problem is, he's on defense due to his administration's corruption problems. He was clearly caught in the crossfire through his bashing of Sacramento, but then was repeatedly faced with having to admit most of the projects he loves to take credit for are funded by those very dollars. Seemed like he was delivering only out of convenience and need for votes. Where has he been the last three years with this stuff if it is so important now?
Villaraigosa and Parks: Tied for last. Both were again flat. I don't know if Tony lost "the fire in the belly" and Parks was missing Bobbie, but both seemed to be overly scripted, monotone in delivery, and in Tony's case, acting like the the "yes-man" and saying whatever the audience wanted to hear. Boy did he look awkward answering the question about the recall his pledge not to run.
Enough of my babbling. Your opinions?
Posted by Anonymous @ 2/08/2005 08:38:00 AM
18 Comments:
Tony looked dazed answering the recall question and Jessoca Garrison couldn't find one sentence for it in her piece on the man himself. It's on radio, tv and all the newspapers and Jessica doesn't print one word about the recall. I agree Chief, I thought Alarcon won the debate, with either Hahn or Hertzberg following up. Tony is just out of it.
Hey, glad you got to work. You had me worried for a minute that you didn't see the debate !
As to the debate, last night, my take was as follows:
1. Alarcon chopped and diced the Mayor and pretty much was superior in his presentation to everyone else. His passion showed through. If only he had the money.
Although, he really was a serious candidate and more time was spent on negative research and if you really drilled down into his positions you would see how business unfriendly and how socially driven ONLY he actually has been in his Sacrameto legislative record.
2. Hertzberg was the best I have seen him. He was sometimes funny, sometimes focused and serious when he needed to be. I still don't know if he is connecting to the people because he speaks so fast that it may go by those listening to him. But, for creative thinking, which this City means, there is no one like Hertzberg.
3. Hahn seems to be deteriorating and actually in a grumbling sort of way accepting his fate. He is getting beaten up from all sides, and justifiably so, and just keeps repeating the old tired message regardless of the question. The only things holding him up right now are his deep pocket and the throne of the Mayor.
4. Parks is his usual bright, but stiff self. He makes good points and is keeping the Mayor down when together, but because of his lack of funding and the peoples' inability to get to him without going through Bobbi, he is losing ground quickly.
5. Villaraigosa is doing OK. Just OK. His passion is controlled and contained if there. He is not the jovial guy he was first time around, but shouldn't be......look how he lost. He is getting his digs in but frankly, his star isn't shining like it did last time. Time will tell if he can pick it up and carry it across the finish line.
Those are my takes as a reader, as objectively as I can state them. The most critical of what I have observed is that Hahn seems to be deteriorating before us. It also seems like he knows it. He cannot think on his feet at all. Some of his answers like 'what corruption?' are just silly and it looks like he wishes he could take it back after he has said it.....but he is just going through the motions. Perhaps his he knows his time is limited and is just going through the motions.
Hey, glad you got to work. You had me worried for a minute that you didn't see the debate !
As to the debate, last night, my take was as follows:
1. Alarcon chopped and diced the Mayor and pretty much was superior in his presentation to everyone else. His passion showed through. If only he had the money.
Although, he really was a serious candidate and more time was spent on negative research and if you really drilled down into his positions you would see how business unfriendly and how socially driven ONLY he actually has been in his Sacrameto legislative record.
2. Hertzberg was the best I have seen him. He was sometimes funny, sometimes focused and serious when he needed to be. I still don't know if he is connecting to the people because he speaks so fast that it may go by those listening to him. But, for creative thinking, which this City means, there is no one like Hertzberg.
3. Hahn seems to be deteriorating and actually in a grumbling sort of way accepting his fate. He is getting beaten up from all sides, and justifiably so, and just keeps repeating the old tired message regardless of the question. The only things holding him up right now are his deep pocket and the throne of the Mayor.
4. Parks is his usual bright, but stiff self. He makes good points and is keeping the Mayor down when together, but because of his lack of funding and the peoples' inability to get to him without going through Bobbi, he is losing ground quickly.
5. Villaraigosa is doing OK. Just OK. His passion is controlled and contained if there. He is not the jovial guy he was first time around, but shouldn't be......look how he lost. He is getting his digs in but frankly, his star isn't shining like it did last time. Time will tell if he can pick it up and carry it across the finish line.
Those are my takes as a reader, as objectively as I can state them. The most critical of what I have observed is that Hahn seems to be deteriorating before us. It also seems like he knows it. He cannot think on his feet at all. Some of his answers like 'what corruption?' are just silly and it looks like he wishes he could take it back after he has said it.....but he is just going through the motions. Perhaps his he knows his time is limited and is just going through the motions.
Hey, glad you got to work. You had me worried for a minute that you didn't see the debate !
As to the debate, last night, my take was as follows:
1. Alarcon chopped and diced the Mayor and pretty much was superior in his presentation to everyone else. His passion showed through. If only he had the money.
Although, he really was a serious candidate and more time was spent on negative research and if you really drilled down into his positions you would see how business unfriendly and how socially driven ONLY he actually has been in his Sacrameto legislative record.
2. Hertzberg was the best I have seen him. He was sometimes funny, sometimes focused and serious when he needed to be. I still don't know if he is connecting to the people because he speaks so fast that it may go by those listening to him. But, for creative thinking, which this City means, there is no one like Hertzberg.
3. Hahn seems to be deteriorating and actually in a grumbling sort of way accepting his fate. He is getting beaten up from all sides, and justifiably so, and just keeps repeating the old tired message regardless of the question. The only things holding him up right now are his deep pocket and the throne of the Mayor.
4. Parks is his usual bright, but stiff self. He makes good points and is keeping the Mayor down when together, but because of his lack of funding and the peoples' inability to get to him without going through Bobbi, he is losing ground quickly.
5. Villaraigosa is doing OK. Just OK. His passion is controlled and contained if there. He is not the jovial guy he was first time around, but shouldn't be......look how he lost. He is getting his digs in but frankly, his star isn't shining like it did last time. Time will tell if he can pick it up and carry it across the finish line.
Those are my takes as a reader, as objectively as I can state them. The most critical of what I have observed is that Hahn seems to be deteriorating before us. It also seems like he knows it. He cannot think on his feet at all. Some of his answers like 'what corruption?' are just silly and it looks like he wishes he could take it back after he has said it.....but he is just going through the motions. Perhaps his he knows his time is limited and is just going through the motions.
I did attend the debate. I think they all did a good job (expect the Mayor). The Mayor was not a happy camper, he looked very umcomfortable, his face turned red several times.
Does he think people are stupid? A few hours before the debate he held a press conference to give the Neighbor Councils more money to fix streets. It would be nice if he really meant it.
Slim Jim - to little to late.
Of the three major candidates, Villaraigosa was the weakest. Hahn held is own, I thought. And Hertzberg was at his best. Still, Hahn Villaraigosa in the runoff. It would have be Hahn Hertzberg if Huggy had the right strategy.
Were you guys at the same debate I was? I think Hahn did a great job considering all the other losers have nothing to say and again just attacked. School bullies ganging up instead of saying what their vision would be. I agree Alarcon sounded great. However, with 3% notoriety he won't make close to run-off. Bob came off like a bafoon. People in the audience laughed at him when he was being serious. Antonio sat there wanting to look tall and lied on issues that were blatantly obvious. His constituents were in the audience cringing. When Parks had the audacity to talk about honesty and integrity we laughed out loud. Please this is coming from a man who covered up Rampart. You can say what you want about Hahn but he's still looking good after all these months of bashing by a bunch of guys who have the same baggage that is about to come out and let the people know Hahn still is the better man.
Everyone has their own spin -- like on the LA Times poll. Alarcon's site boasted yesterday that he was more people's "2nd choice" than any of the others. Go figure!
According to the LA Times, "Villaraigosa vowed to steer public contracts to 'local businesses in neighborhoods like Watts.'"
How could anyone believe a guy who won't even steer HIS public dollars to local community groups in his OWN district.
He's clearly lost respect for the truth and this will eventually bite him.
Alarcon - came off too much of a maverick, agressive and loud. He got a lot of applause from neighborhood council types in the studio, but most LA residents who viewed probably aren't into their neighborhood councils and aren't as disgruntled as most members. But he stayed on message and kicked the mayor's butt.
Hertzberg - very impressive though a little awkward at times. Really connected when he went one-on-one with the Hahn. Had the best closing remarks. Again, kicked the mayor's butt on lack of vision, fighting for the city and failed leadership in getting cops.
Parks - not a fan, but admit he was the best last night. He was well composed, delivered calm hits on the mayor and kept with a message likely to appeal to voters - 3/12. People may disagree with the message, but it's simple and makes sense to people who work five days and hate their jobs. It wouldn't hurt if he smiled since it makes him seem, what's the word . . . BITTER. Also delivered some body blows to the mayor that had Jim turning as red as a hot coal.
Villaraigosa - bland and too sedate. While he might be trying to keep a toned-down demeanor for conservative voters, he went too far last night. He wasn't on. Someone above described him as "Okay" - exactly right. The first question asked by reporters in the press room after the debate was "what happened? you seemed flat tonight."
Hahn - got his butt handed to him from the beginning. K-CAL started the debate with a promo setting him up as a mayor under a cloud of corruption and scandal. Not good. Then all of the candidates went after him on issues like funding police, traffic, missing MTA meetings, fundraising and, of course, pay-to-play. There were several occasions where he failed to answer the question. He seemed flustered and frustrated. Perhaps the most telling indication was at the end when he snubbed reporters by not attending the question and answer session.
NBC 4's take on last night....But at the same, none of his rivals has claimed a clear advantage, and several were far behind Hahn in the Times poll.
Unbelievable how the same eyes can see differently. Hahn stood his ground and fought back to all of the candidates. ADV sat like a bump on a log. Spoke untruths about his own council district. I want to hear what these guys have done in the last year. What has Hertzberg done since being out of office, Alarcon, Parks and ADV we know haven't done a damn thing on council. Good for Hahn slamming them on the ethics reform that's been sitting around and these guys haven't passed through to council to vote on. Wonder why?????
The previous blogger has the best sense of humor of anyone on here. Hahn slamming people on ethics is like Mike Tyson giving leading an anger management class.
Where's Meat? I'm sure meeting with Ace and Parke to try and post something to help ADV. Interesting that ADV's wife never attends events with him. Even Bitter Bobbi attends with Bitter Bernie. It shows support. Guess she's been reading June In the Venice Room's posts.
FROM MEAT:
Yeah Antonio's wife is off handing Jim Hahn his butt at Democratic club endorsements. While Jim Hahn's wife is off at...code pink rallies?
I don't even TALK to people like Parke -- why -- because i don't work for Antonio nor does his campaign tell me what to write on this blog. But thanks i'll take that as a compliment.
blog away dum-dums.
Meat-why would Parke even want to talk to you?
Summation:
JH: Does the music on the Titanic as it was going down, come to mind? Horrible performance. Actually made me sick in that I'd voted for him last time (against my girlfriend's wishes - who thought the AV "was cute").
His last minute "Pay-to-play" ploy vis-a-vis the 100G payoff to the Neighborhood Councils was "buy votes" at its worst. C'mon there got to be some sort of ethics ordinance against this. If there isn't, the campaign rules are a sham.
JH IS going down, the question remains to whom?
AV: Must have been slipped a downer (The pink pill) by "The Mayor's Men (Wong included)" into his water before the event. Lackluster comes to mind. C'mon AV, does not seem that you are hungry for this one. Wake up, bark a little.
RA: Wow! Give this man a trophy. Smacked the shi* out of Jimmy. Left him gasping for breath! Or as some say "Bitc*-slapped Jimmy back to San Pedro". His pandering to the NC's was a bit lame but understandable.
BH: Won this debate for clarity, ideas, kick-ass agenda and "can-do" attitude. While some of his answers were too quick fire rapid delvery, his main song was the need for a mayor that will lead this city like his life deopended on it. Bob delivered that message in an excellent fasion.
BP: 3 day work week.....zzzzzz.....5 day work week..... zzzzzzz...... 7 day work week..... zzzzzz....... Police bad....... Me good..... zzzzzzz....... Jimmy bad...... Me and Bobbie good ...... Jimmy very bad...... zzzzzzzz..... ....zzzzzzz......
Final thought:
The election will make history... (at least local history)....
Match set will be between Bob Hertzberg and Jimmy Hahn. BH will win a landslide and Jimmy will nurse his wounds in San Pedro for a year before running for Governor...
Till next time,
The Fly
"Yeah Antonio's wife is off handing Jim Hahn his butt at Democratic club endorsements" -- Meat.
Add another 36 votes for that local dems group, Tony. What? Hahn just picked up another 10,000-member union endorsement? How many democratic coffee-table groups does that mean we need??
Tony Needs a wake up call. He forgot about skid row completely. What has he really done for the residents here- nada - zippo- nothing. He Uses the socila service providers for photoops , but whhere is the Skid Row DASH bus , where is he when you need him. He sounds great , says he was gonna vote against teh enti-urination ordinance to the people here , yet voted for it on city council.
Actions speak louder than words. Hey Serving turkey dinners is great and you will be rewarded on higg for that tony, but to whom much is given much is rquired , so we need you to use your office to help improve our lives here everyday , not jsut on turkey day
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