Your Favorite Subject Next to Bitter Bernie
Since it has been over a week since we posted a story on your favorite beating target Tony V. and many of you are having to stretch your imaginations to work in ways to take stabs at him, I offer you a post from Lonewacko on Tony's debate performance last time around. Good Luck Meat! You'll need it defending this one...
You can read it on their site at :
http://www.tolstoy.com/lonewacko/blog/archives/002227.html
How about someone asking the follow-up to this question that was asked four years ago?
It has been reported Mr. Villaraigosa that when you were at UCLA you were active in a Latino rights group which among other things says in its constitution that it is in favor of forming a separate republic in the Southwest United States. Do you hold the beliefs of that organization as your own and do you still support the group and what do you tell kids that see this kind of stuff on the Internet?
Villaraigosa didn't answer the question.
Maybe the follow-up could make him tell us what he really thinks.
You can read it on their site at :
http://www.tolstoy.com/lonewacko/blog/archives/002227.html
Posted by Anonymous @ 11/30/2004 09:08:00 PM
22 Comments:
as somebody who supports the recall of tony, this question and any discussion of it is a waste of time. nearly every elected hispanic/latino politician was a member of mecha in their student days and nobody questions them. no. the real question for tony is why does he tout himself as a unifier when the 14th district was more united under pacheco, alatorre, even schneider? how can he bring the city together when a majority of his own district are against him? and shouldn't somebody ask tony if he intends to stay as mayor, should he win, or will he immediately start campaigning for governor?
FROM MEAT:
Here we are debating MeCha what a wonderful surprise. You know there are some passages in the bible that i don't agree with, does this mean i renounce my christianity, nope. I don't agree with the NRA's position on the 2nd amendment but i don't renounce my American citizenship.
Couple of questions i'd love this blog to answer: (which by the way, i know the answers to so be careful) How many folks of hispanic descent were at UCLA in the early 70's? Can anyone name any other club on campus that folks of hispanic descent were a majority in?
MeCha was it, but here are the important questions -- was antonio in attendance when this platform of MeCha's was taken? NOPE
Was i in attendance when the bible was written to include language on slavery and other things i don't agree with? NOPE
Soooo does Antonio agree with this platform -- absolutely not. Will Antonio renounce MeCha? NO, nor should he.
As for a majority of CD 14 wanting Antonio out -- that is 100% ridiculous -- hey recall weirdos -- please please please do a poll. I've seen 2 -- CD14 loves Antonio in the 70 percentile range. So i think the blogger above is blowing smoke.
blog away.
70% meat? tony wouldn't get that polling his own staff. it's obvious who's blowing smoke. maybe we should call you "smoked meat" from now on!
I can't believe that we're even wasting any time to dedicate any space on this blog to such a foolish question. The fact that you are bringing up a topic from Hal Netkin, a man who: 1) opposes illegal immigration, but didn't see a problem that his wife came over to this country illegally and then became a citizen when they got married & 2) has worked closely with Glenn Spencer, a man who has been condemned by various civil liberty organizations as a racist. I guess it's only good for him when he benefits from it.
As Meat stated, MEChA was an organization that the few Chicanos and Latinos that were able to get into the universities of this country looked to for support. In recent years, organizations such as MEChA have been at the forefront of fighting for opening the administrative barriers that have been placed by opponents of Affirmative Action and continuing to work with department reps at various campuses to ensure that academic programs that cover the history of Latin America and the Chicano history here in the US do not get buried by people who don't think it's important. Aside from that, you can go to many chapters and see members of MEChA provide tutoring and mentoring services, to students within the universities and high schools in their respective areas without prejudice of the color of their skin, religious beliefs, or sexual orientation.
If we want to have a serious discussion about what needs to take place to make Los Angeles the Metropolis that it deserves to be, let's talk about transportation, affordable housing, healthcare, public safety, and all the other issues that impact the lives of millions of Angelenos everyday. I'd sure care to talk about a document that is part of an organization's history which Villaraigosa belonged to when he was at UCLA.
As for the majority of the district being against Villaraigosa, it was obvious when he ran for Council against Pacheco that the people were not united behind him. The results on election day showed that they were united against him. It's only obvious by the fact that he was slaughtered in the primary (a first by an elected official here in Los Angeles). I guess one is going to believe something that they hear most, and that's probably the case if you surround yourself with people who share mutual feelings on an issue (which I think is the case with the blogger of the first comment)
On that note, I also believe that Meat's figures are exagerrated. Would I say that the majority of the district approves of him: probably and more than likely so. But 70% approval is just too high of a figure, for Villaraigosa or any elected official.
I grew up with Mecha (though in my junior high school the assimilated and American born Latinos looked down on it as a social club for the newly arrived or as they called them "wetbacks.") and it was common for many to belong in high school and college.
But you can not poo poo Mecha's current anti-semitic and anti-white rhetroic which is cleary posted on the web (not Hal Netkin or anyone else). So I think we need to have a real simple response to this.
Mecha may try to distance themselves from La Voz De Atzlan, but that's just like Trent Lott trying to distance himself from the KKK.
Does Tony Villar or any other former Mecha member denounce this racist rhetoric of Mecha?
Tony Villar??? Who's that??? I'm sorry, I only know Antonio Villaraigosa.
Hate him or love him, at least show some respect by addressing him by his real name. I don't like the guy that much and I can barely pronounce his name, but I'm not going to butcher his name up just to jab at him behind the protection of an anonymous blog posting.
Tony Villar is his given name. Antonio Villaraigosa is a stage name.
I would expect politicians will get more respect when they respect the people, and actually perform.
Until then, he's Tony Villar.
I'm looking at Tony Villar's Comprehensive Community Policing Plan he had a press conf. on today. What an idiot!!! He wants AGAIN to put a COUNTY tax ballot in 2006 to get more officers. First of all the County didn't get the figures on VOTE YES as the CITY did a majority 64% so why in the hell should we help them out. We can do it with our own tax ballot just for the city at 64% it's sure to pass, I totally agree with half the crap he has in this plan. It's a joke. Sure it will be on news tonight. You should all sit back and laugh. He's sayng we can use $30 MILLION right now in city fund. Doesn't he think if the city already had $30 million for public safety they would use it? He's making a mockery of his city council colleagues.
Stage name is when Calvin Broadus is called Snoop Dogg. In this case, I believe his birth name is Antonio Villar, and then he changed it to Villaraigosa when he married his wife, whose maiden name is Raigosa. Given that, I think he deserves to be called by his name.
MeCha is a racist, militant idiotic, group of losers who had nothing better to do then cause problems at the colleges. As a Latino I was embarrassed because everyone assumed if you were Latino you supported those losers. I can't tell you how racist and useless those people were. I debated about 10 of them one time and I wish I would have taped the conversation. They sounded like the Black Panthers. A total negative to our culture. Tony Villar should be ashamed of himself!
FROM MEAT:
It gets harder and harder to take this blog seriously when folks sort of ignore the facts.
There are TWO polls out there - not funded by the villaraigosa campaign that have looked into this recall effort -- Antonio's approvals are above 70% - too be honest it doesn't necessarily ask if these folks would vote for yes to recall, who knows they may. But the fact that they support Antonio with a 70% approval rating means it going to be tough for recall folks to gain momentum for their campaign.
As for MeCha -- it's not a serious subject for me to continue on about.
As for Antonio's plan on more cops -- more comprehensive, more thoughtful and accountable to the voters of LA.
You know Hahn said today in response to Antonio's plan that his tax plan has the support of a major retailer businessman -- Rick Caruso -- stop the presses folks, Hahn's spin is to say business supports his plan for additional taxes based on a guy he APPOINTED to the police commission. A guy whose opening his new major retail space in Glendale, not a city that is affected by Hahn's plan, so of course Caruso would support it.
To Meat:
Since you are in the know. What do you know about Antonio challenging the Recall Committee's service of notice at the City Clerk's office.
It seems that he may be taking the recall effort a little more seriously if he is starting to challenge the service of notice.
Yesterday's Daily News reported that the folks that own the Topanga Mall in Woodland Hills are preparing a major expansion that will bring the first Neiman Marcus to the Valley as well as add about 100 more stores and restaurants. It was noted that this development would be larger than Caruso's Glendale developkemt.
Right now, Denny Zine seems to be in favor of this project and even NIMBY support of the expansion is unusually high (they do like to shop).
Wonder if this is even on Caruso's radar and IF Poopy might try to block it.
It amazes me all the critics. First of all Caruso has always been a strong supporter of LAPD. LA residents already shop in Glendale, Brea etc. so those of you who think it will hurt businesses are out of touch. In fact it will help tourism and business cause if we keep seeing the murders in South LA on tv no one will want to come here. Caruso is a smart, rich businessman who does not have any alterior motive. He has just as much to gain with his Grove if the city were safer.
If Caruso is upset about the new mall in Woodland Hills, it looks like it might be a bigger impact on the folks who own The Oaks shopping center in Thousand Oaks, Macerich .
According to EC postings, Macerich has given $4850 to various elected official campaigns in LA, including Laura Chick.
So the question is - will Macerich have anything to say about zoning changes and such that might be necessary for Westfield's expansion of Topanga?
FROM MEAT:
Little debate update for you guys -- looks like there's an NBC online (not scientific) but it has Villaraigosa well in the lead. With Hahn and Hertzberg trailing below -- interesting - i guess Hertzberg's interns got tired of clicking Hertzberg and deleting cookies all day.
www.knbc.com on the right side, scroll down. Plus this only counts til 7pm -- then NBC doesn't catalog it anymore, i called them, so all you anti-Antonio wackos who are late to this poll, you have an hour and half after that no one will pay attention, hahhaha.
Also -- notes for tonights debate -- because of the free for all style of the debate expect it to favor...drum roll please -- Chief Parks. I know you guys thought i'd say Antonio or even hertzberg -- but i can tell you right now - this debate is going to be between Parks and Hahn -- with almost everyone else staying out of the way. I suspect Alarcon will swing for the fences as well, but Parks will be the one going into every question, and every answer will begin with an attack on Hahn and his leadershipless agenda and the fact that he's sold LA to contributors.
I think the one point that Parks will also bring up is the fact that Hahn during this 9/11 era style of govt put his FUNDRAISER in charge of the ports, DWP and Airports. I think Parks will begin to punch Hahn in the nose for this and probably get the quote all the media stations use for the night.
I feel a little sorry Hahn....NOOOT
I think Hertzberg will talk about education -- and his sense of bringing govt back to the people. It will be a little hokey but will play well -- Hahn will try to say he is proud of his accomplishments and say crap like BRATTON this and BRATTON that. Antonio will be doing a little prevent offense/defense, i think he's saving his fireworks for when voters are really paying attention. I think hertzberg is doing the same, and will try to be the John Edwards of the debate and stay happy and positive, but sad of the city's current predicament.
Hahn -- he's a hot head, should NOT be underestimated - he is a robot and will say whatever Carrick and Kuwata have told him, mainly because he has no soul and can't speak freely like the others. My personal advice is to not get sucked into a direct debate with Parks -- you elevate him, and he slams you all day and night -- and you give the rest of the candidates (your real challenegers) a free pass to smile and say they love this city.
Alarcon -- ??? DWP rates, leaderless city, Hits HAHN HAHN -- his only surprise of the night will be if he attacks Hahn. The road to the run-off is through Antonio and the fact that he hasn't done much on this is a mystery to me.
FROM MEAT:
Little debate update for you guys -- looks like there's an NBC online (not scientific) but it has Villaraigosa well in the lead. With Hahn and Hertzberg trailing below -- interesting - i guess Hertzberg's interns got tired of clicking Hertzberg and deleting cookies all day.
www.knbc.com on the right side, scroll down. Plus this only counts til 7pm -- then NBC doesn't catalog it anymore, i called them, so all you anti-Antonio wackos who are late to this poll, you have an hour and half after that no one will pay attention, hahhaha.
Also -- notes for tonights debate -- because of the free for all style of the debate expect it to favor...drum roll please -- Chief Parks. I know you guys thought i'd say Antonio or even hertzberg -- but i can tell you right now - this debate is going to be between Parks and Hahn -- with almost everyone else staying out of the way. I suspect Alarcon will swing for the fences as well, but Parks will be the one going into every question, and every answer will begin with an attack on Hahn and his leadershipless agenda and the fact that he's sold LA to contributors.
I think the one point that Parks will also bring up is the fact that Hahn during this 9/11 era style of govt put his FUNDRAISER in charge of the ports, DWP and Airports. I think Parks will begin to punch Hahn in the nose for this and probably get the quote all the media stations use for the night.
I feel a little sorry Hahn....NOOOT
I think Hertzberg will talk about education -- and his sense of bringing govt back to the people. It will be a little hokey but will play well -- Hahn will try to say he is proud of his accomplishments and say crap like BRATTON this and BRATTON that. Antonio will be doing a little prevent offense/defense, i think he's saving his fireworks for when voters are really paying attention. I think hertzberg is doing the same, and will try to be the John Edwards of the debate and stay happy and positive, but sad of the city's current predicament.
Hahn -- he's a hot head, should NOT be underestimated - he is a robot and will say whatever Carrick and Kuwata have told him, mainly because he has no soul and can't speak freely like the others. My personal advice is to not get sucked into a direct debate with Parks -- you elevate him, and he slams you all day and night -- and you give the rest of the candidates (your real challenegers) a free pass to smile and say they love this city.
Alarcon -- ??? DWP rates, leaderless city, Hits HAHN HAHN -- his only surprise of the night will be if he attacks Hahn. The road to the run-off is through Antonio and the fact that he hasn't done much on this is a mystery to me.
My friends just got an e-mail from Antonio's people beggng them to please log on to the NBC4 poll and vote for him. How crazy is that? He has to ask people to vote for him. All Hahn has to do is bring up the DRUG LETTER Tony wrote in support of drug dealer to remind voters why he' lost last time. All Hahn has to do is remind voters that we lost 1,000 officers when Parks was chief and he didn't do anything until it was too late about Rampart. All Hahn has to do is tell the voters that Bobby Boy was a consultant to Fleishman-Hillard and everyone wants to know how much did he get paid and what clients did he work on. All Hahn has to do is bring up that Alaracon wanted to legalize vendors in the city of LA. Let the games begin
Whatever reputation MEAT had before the debate is in shreds now. He got everything wrong. Hertzberg was going to be the John Edwards of the debate - sitting back from the fray? Parkes was going to give the press the quote of the debate? Maybe it's time to get a real job MEAT and stop wasting your time with second rate punditry.
Why does MEAT post so much crap on this blogger? Mayor Sam make him stop and quick giving him crediability. He's on Antonio's payroll. I thought he had some campaign smarts until he was all wrong about last night. Let's see if he bails ship on Antonio. The ship is sinking fast
MEAT I thought you were somewhat smart. Hahn never said he put 320 more officers on the street dummy. Last year when he had his budget before those lame ass city council members he wanted to hire 320 additional officers. Those lame asses said NO. That's where the 320 additional officer line comes in. You can't blame Hahn for city council voting against hiring 320 more officers. Got it? That should clear the air.
p.s. are you single MEAT?
FROM MEAT:
To the previous blogger -- the 320 line was mentioned by someone else on this blog. I was only referring to that person, i know sometimes my posts are all over the place, but its only because i try to answer every misinformed person on this blog as at once. I know it was a budget item, and i do know the city council passes on it because of...a deficit. A deficit that this Mayor let happen under his watch. As a former controller you'd think he'd be a better steward of our money, but i guess all he wants is the political capitol that comes with the COP issue.
The fact is -- This Mayor has been in elected city government for 20 years, and only now during his reelection campaign for mayor does he try to shake, rattle and role the issue. Antonio has been in city office for a year and a half and has Chief Bratton saying Antonio's COPS plan is good. (According to the Daily Breeze)
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