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Thursday, November 06, 2008

The Lavender Revolution Continues

The LA Times reports that thousands of supporters of same-sex marriage staged a protest in front of the Los Angeles Mormon Temple in West LA. Police had to shut down Santa Monica Blvd. due to the protests and traffic is a mess at the moment.

Update: the protestors are moving to Century City reportedly. The photo below was graciously stolen from Boi From Troy's site, this is one of the protests Wednesday night in West Hollywood. I like the one hand-made sign. Shows that the Obama California Campaign has some 'splainin to do.

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Blogger Michael Higby said:

The interesting thing is that Californians voted in larger numbers for chicken rights and unfettered teen abortions than for gay rights.

November 06, 2008 4:51 PM  

Blogger me said:

yeah. 'sup with that??

November 06, 2008 5:35 PM  

Blogger JustSayAmy said:

I have a question: why aren't the protestors going to the First AME church to protest?

Polling data shows that blacks were something like 70% against gay marriage and the black turnout for Obama in California is believed to have made the difference.

So why are the protestors going to the Mormon church, but not First AME?

The results are the results, and they have to be accepted. But this sounds like a selective protest.

November 06, 2008 6:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I live less than a block from the big Mormon Temple on Santa Monica Blvd. There were no "thousands" of people. At best, between the two groups, there were 1,000. The press must have made up 150 or more people alone. A mess of traffic is all it was in West L.A..

I'm surpised they aren't boycotting black owned businesses since 73% of blacks voted FOR Prop 8. The same Obama that most (fellow as I am gay) gays voted for. I also voted yes on 8 (I am a gay conservative Catholic Republican). I don't believe in gay marriage. Marriage is for one man and one woman. It's not a civil rights issue (my fellow gay brothers and sisters are so foolish to say that) as there is no "right" to be issued a marriage license.

November 06, 2008 7:41 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

That's a good question Amy. I think some of the folks in the No on 8 campaign are afraid it would seem politically incorrect.

However if you read the LA Times story a lot of the folks who voted yes on 8 it came out of conservative Black churches.

November 06, 2008 8:04 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

The AME church did not spend $25 mil to push this prop on the citizenry.

Differing opinions are one thing,
spending $25 mil sets you up as the target.

November 06, 2008 8:09 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

I also think that the No on 8 camp really blew this one. They should have been in the streets weeks ago!

November 06, 2008 8:13 PM  

Blogger JustSayAmy said:

Each human being gets one vote. Today, several people from the No on 8 group now said it was "misleading."

But they weren't saying that before the election. So you make a good point that they should have been out there weeks ago.

The hypocracy is all around! The Mormons were upset because people didn't trust a good man, and a Mormon, in Mitt Romney. Then, the work to defeat good people, the gay community. Hypocracy.

But the gay community should also protest the black community (which is what I mean by the First AME, not literally the First AME), because blacks overwhelmingly are either conservative or homophobic. So it is hypocritical to protest the Mormons but not the blacks.

As for the Mormon church donating money to the cause, you might want to correct yourself Joe. Mormon individuals, or Mormon organizations, but not the Mormon church donated those millions.

You should research that claim. It has been a big topic on campus here at UCLA.

November 06, 2008 8:25 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

If the Mormon church asked for the Money from their members then what is the difference? This is a Mormon sanctioned and manipulated effort.
Did the Mormon Church write the check? No, they didn't have to. They simply guided their members as to where to send the money. Same thing.

Now comes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which grabbed some TV time in Utah to urge the 770,000 Mormon church members in California to weigh in on the matter. Here's the story from the Associated Press:

Two members of the church's second-highest governing body, the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, quoted from Mormon scripture on the sanctity of marriage as they laid out a week-by-week strategy for boosting Mormon involvement before the Nov. 4 election in voter registration efforts, phone banks and distributing campaign materials.

“What we're about is the work of the Lord, and He will bless you for your involvement,” apostle M. Russell Ballard said during the hour-long meeting, which was broadcast to church buildings in California, Utah, Hawaii and Idaho.

Look, if any segment of the population votes for a proposition like this, then you can blame the No on Prop 8 people for not reaching out and getting the message through. Your placing of the AME on the same level of the Mormon church (who advocated in a big $$$ way) is not reasonable.

I'm glad this is a big topic on campus, but let's not paint everyone with the same brushstroke, there are important distinctions that need to be made,
and your efforts at redirection are pretty weak.

November 06, 2008 9:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the gay conservative Catholic Republican who is anti-gay marriage, I would just like to say good luck to you, sir, as you wander through your well defined, albeit joyless, life.

November 06, 2008 9:19 PM  

Blogger JustSayAmy said:

What am I trying to redirect? I am saying that it is hypocracy to focus on Mormons along, and not also to protest other LARGE blocks who supported 8.

It is you, by suggesting that it is the white people of OC are the greater blame, who tried to redirect the subject.

You do not even get my point. I supported the defeat of 8. My comment was about the protest. You are trying to spin my point, and argue the flaws in 8. My point was about the protest, and that people need to grow up and accept the results, because that is how we do things in the U.S.

The only thing you are right about is that they waited far too long to protest. The donations were well documented all along. It is not meant to be, and protests like this will only hurt their chances in the future.

You may have the final word on this if you have anything new to add.

November 06, 2008 9:31 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

I appreciate your civility.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about when you say that I am suggesting something about the "white people of OC". I also do not understand where you get the notion that I am arguing about the flaws of 8. My point is that the Mormon church cannot simultaneously send $25 mil to see this prop through and at the same time try to say that they are being unfairly singled out
as the major player in this effort.

The Mormon Church shuns controversy
as much as they can (given their history), but they really put themselves out there on this issue,
and I find it hypocritical that they are now trying to hide behind the curtain as if they really didn't do anything wrong at all.

November 06, 2008 9:46 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

The No side had a lot of money and I think they wasted it.

Their ads were ambigious and confusing.

They needed to find some conservative looking gay families of all races and have them talk about their family and how they love them. Get some old lady PFLAG moms (especially African Americans) to talk about their gay kids they love.

And then they should have had Barack Obama record a special message for Black churches AND have mailers sent from Hillary Clinton to Hispanics. They also should have reached out more to liberal and moderate Republicans and not just count on Republicans Against 8 to do it.

November 06, 2008 10:00 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Joe - they have to go after all the groups that supported this, just focusing on the ones that are politically correct (white protestants).

The Catholic group Knights of Columbus gave $1.4 million. They need to march on the KC Hall next. Also Focus on the Family.

November 06, 2008 10:08 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

I doubt they had anywhere the amount of $$$ that Yes on 8 had, but I agree with you on the complete failure of No on 8 to get the message out.

The streets should have been packed weeks ago. Now they look like sour grapes and lousy activists. Now they get to pay whatever money is left (and what has to raised) to a bunch of attorneys and endure the court challenge.

Put down the lattes, draw upon Stonewall, and MLK, reach out to everyone or shut the hell up.

November 06, 2008 10:11 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Just saw on Ch 11 news that they're still out there holding up traffic in WeHo.

Maybe they figured since everyone was voting Obama it would lose. Guess they didn't expect that Blacks, Latinos, and old people would join the Repugtards.

November 06, 2008 10:13 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

Agreed. Saul Alinsky is turning in his grave over this one!

November 06, 2008 10:18 PM  

Blogger Maxima10 said:

Glad to see we can still hate Fat People and Gay People, we need a fat gay man to run for president in 2012, Higby what do you think about being president?

November 06, 2008 10:25 PM  

Blogger Spencer Martin said:

How long do you think it would have taken for violence to break out if the protestors went to a black church on Western Avenue instead of the Mormon church in Westwood?

It would have been violence on a scale that makes Stonewall look like a picnic.

And consider this: How many black votes were cast in California? And compare that to the number of Mormon votes in the state.

It may have taken more Mormon money, but it got the black votes. The issue should be taken to both of them.

November 06, 2008 10:25 PM  

Blogger Unknown said:

News reports are showing that violence did indeed break out in Westwood.

November 06, 2008 10:27 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

I saw some Latino guy clock a protestor because he said the guy spit on his car.

November 06, 2008 11:36 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Maxima you continue to impress all of us with your brilliance.

Too bad we know who you are!

November 06, 2008 11:36 PM  

Blogger Cruz A. Rios said:

Can we clump together minorities? even if their needs are different???

November 06, 2008 11:56 PM  

Blogger Barf in the Hat said:

I know it's so soon after the long campaign, but having Max (call him Max, he'll like that) raise his voice with the same old tired taunts and weak stabs at comedy is making me kind of teary-eyed. I harken back to the President-Elect's words when he said "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig".. We know who this little piggy is. He needs to retreat to his wallow for some new inspiration. Dazzle us, Don.

November 07, 2008 12:56 AM  

Blogger mary whoopee said:

Why don't all these militant, anti-8 gays don their costumes for the next gay Pride Parade and THEN have their public hissy fit? Y'know, sorta kill two birds with one stone...wall? At least the city would be spared another fee-waiver...

November 08, 2008 6:15 AM  

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