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Saturday, October 17, 2009

Open Thread for Saturday



Medical Marijuana: Yes or No?

Or whatever else you want to talk about.

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51 Comments:

Anonymous matt dowd said:

the stuff grows on trees. its one way out of the massive deficit. federally approved KUSH. at $50 for a sweet bud the country will be in surplus in no time.

October 17, 2009 7:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Right on, Matt.

And, we'll have a country of matt Dowds, Mike Hunts and David Saltzburgs who will welcome Sharia law because they are too stoned to protest.

Forget that stuff and get a job.

October 17, 2009 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes to pot, no to Essel.

October 17, 2009 9:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

waronme.blogspot.com is a new blog by a medical marijuana patient with a serious condition abated by pot. She talks about her disappointment with "FALSEtanich" who she worked for as did the whole community, where to go from here. A personal view and journey.

aboutmedicalmarijuana.com, info on the medical and political aspects, blog edited by the "godfather" of the state medical pot community

October 17, 2009 9:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Safer than alcohol, non-addictive like nicotine, proven medical benefits, pro-active community looking to give their part for the economy - what's the problem?

In colonial times all farmers where required to grow hemp - for sails and rope. The Declaration of Independence is written on hemp paper. Washington & Jefferson were avid growers. This culture held true until well after the civil war.

After the Mexican Revolution, refugees that settled in the U.S. brought along with them the recreational use of marijuana. SO when the anti-Mexican sentiment rose, so did the anti-marijuana sentiment. Hearst funded "Reefer Madness" to justify his newspapers endorsements of unconstitutional immigration raids on Mexicans (even Americans) during the depression. He also went after marijuana to protect his timber mills that were producing lower quality paper at great expense to the environment.

So it stands to reason that anti-marijuana sentiments rooted in anti-Mexican sentiments are the basis for the laws controlling marijuana. Cooley and Trutanich fill Hearsts' shoe quite efficiently with all their rhetoric, they aren't very big fans of Mexicans.

But there is hope. The winds of change cannot be stopped and hey, we as Americans did repeal the Chinese Exclusion Act.

October 17, 2009 10:10 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The use of marijuana to treat legitimate medical conditions was overwhelmingly approved by Californians when Prop 215 passed. The devil is in the details. Prop 215 did not authorize sales of marijuana, only supply through collectives.
215 only allows a collective to exist to grow marijuana and share it with members who have a doctor's prescription to use it. This seemed to satisfy the Prop 215 proponents who fielded AIDS/Cancer patients as the 'Poster Boys' for their movement.
Of course, a much larger group of individuals supported 215; the pot heads who for legitimate reasons want to see marijuana made available commercially for anyone who wants it.
Got a headache? OK, pay Dr. Feel Good $25 for a prescription, and $50 to Mr. Armenian/Iranian Pot Shop owner, and your headache goes away.
Prop 215 does not allow quack doctors and shady drug dealers to operate, anf the DA and the CA are about to shut them down.
All of which won't change anything for matt dowd, unfortunately for him, stupidity is not a medical condition, and no amount of pot will cure it.

October 17, 2009 11:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nuch threatening to put Jan Perry in jail - way to go! Has anyone noticed WHO it is that Jan Perry is supporting? It's not you or me - it's AEG. WTF? Anyone who does not believe that AEG has bought and paid for Jan Perry should have their brains examined.
Of course, Perry is too stupid to understand why she's going to jail for breaking the law. The law is soooo complex isn't it. I mean, the law is a ban on any new billboards and supergraphics, and the word 'ban' really is hard for her to understand. Expect Perry to respond with "It depends on what the meaning of the word ban is."
Stupid, dumb, corrupt.

October 17, 2009 12:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ummmm what was the question again?

October 17, 2009 12:45 PM  

Anonymous matt dowd said:

you made my day by having a big well researched and written post, 11.27, and then have to throw my name in.
like putting me down validates your argument, or something. its funny.
it all pales into nothing in the face of the coming depression.

yes, some negative growth while we bleed the system. I'm saying it now. the d word.

October 17, 2009 1:20 PM  

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October 17, 2009 1:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When John Ferraro was Council President he didn't have any hamburgers or tacos under his desk but a box of Cubans, a flask of single malt Scotch whiskey and three dedicated line telephones.

One phone was to his broker, one to his wife and one to his mistress.

John was bad ass! Times suck now!

October 17, 2009 1:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Let me take a wild guess: if it were Jack Weiss as City Attorney who screamed at and bullied people in a public "meet and greet" official event (cancer survivor women, no less) at City Hall, earning a YouTube and article about it going around town like wildfire; were featured in a Times story over threatening to jail a Councilmember and top official for daring just to disagree with his interpretation of a billboard ICO; AFTER threatening to jail other Board and Commission members, "unnamed others," taking it upon himself to re-interpret State Law on medical cannabis in keeping with his partisan agenda after tricking the community into campaigning for him; writing a "hanging out as crime" injunction after concocting a phone paper plan to save gangbangers before they join gangs, just to fool the libs into endorsements; defrauding and being called by the formerly popular Chick as "a liar and demagogue;" in general earning the ridicule of one and all -- let's see, would Higby FINALLY have featured at least one thread about it?

No, each episode would have been a Dozen threads. Hypocrites -- anything Higby and poor Phil say about their candidates Paul and Chris is neither here nor there, especially after this.

(Not a WORD either on Ron Kaye, the Weakly, or other pro-Trutanich blogs which have slimed Weiss and Bratton in the interest of their "cause." Embarrassed silence at most.)

October 17, 2009 1:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Serves Jan Perry right. She's the one who rode on the back of Nuch's Harley in tandem with Zine at the WeHo Gay rights parade. Thinking they were some cool Sheriffs riding into town to clean up those slimy Democrats. But she forget she IS one of the ones they were after.

October 17, 2009 1:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'll take Matt Dowd & Zuma Dogg any day over the today's incumbents.

October 17, 2009 1:34 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

I just called Nuch over all this bad PR and try and impose my strategy advice on how he should handle the situation. And I'm really glad I called cause it reminded me of why I liked him in the first place. OH, it's gonna be a rough battle and he's a lot more like Zuma Dogg than I realized and he's got a side to tell on all of this. I know this is a tough one (the way he addressed that lady about medical marijuana) -- and I spent a lot of time talking about how people care about "brownies and cup cakes" and you have to be a kiss-ass and I DID feel the behavior was escalated. But he still wasn't too enthralled with the lady's argument and feels there is a lot of marijuana lobbying going on with big money behind it. So maybe that was part of it. AND, he hasn't had a day off in 4 months, had been going against nothing but bureaucracy and a city hall that doesn't want to start being big boys and girls.

And maybe on a different day, it would have played out differently.

BUT, the thing is...the guy ain't being apologetic for having to be tough and say he will have people arrested if they are violating things. MORE ON THAT TO COME.

THE GUY IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND HAS HIS FACTS STRAIGHT IT SEEMS TO ME, AND THERE IS A LOT OF B.S. AND MIS-INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATIVE DISTORTIONS IN THE MEDIA.

He just ain't gonna be the "politician" you want him to be.

But it's the politicians who created the mess and you don't call in another politician to fix the mess. You gotta call people like Zuma Dogg and Carmen Trutanich that are here to remind you...it ain't a popularity contest. And the people are opening up co-ops illegally and putting up all the billboards you complained about and voted against Jack Weiss for.

October 17, 2009 1:36 PM  

Blogger Rita Of Sunland/Wally Wharton said:

Yesterday at the city council meeting Tom LeBong pronounced "Trutanich" "Too-tune-itch." Unbelievable.

October 17, 2009 2:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:28 - you want to guess what city hall would be like if Jack Weiss had won the election?
zzzzzzzzzz........

It's called business as usual. The same corrupt insider bullshit that has the second largest city in the United States practically bankrupt because it's ethos has been trying to be all things to all people.

Whatever you say about Trutanich, he's shaking things up in Los Angeles, things that we all care about - otherwise there wouldn't be any controversy at all.

That's the way it was, and still is with most of the clowncil members; too scared and stupid to take a hard line on anything. Jan Perry's support for illegal billboards is a disgrace, she's so invested and beholden to AEG that she doesn't even realize that it's not her job to be AEG's lobbyist, yet that's what she is.

October 17, 2009 3:01 PM  

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October 17, 2009 3:24 PM  

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October 17, 2009 3:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jan Perry, smuggling hamburgers into the council meeting. lmao

October 17, 2009 4:35 PM  

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October 17, 2009 6:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:01, you still have the hutzpah to try to defend that clown Nuch? Sure he's shaking things up, like a wild monkey at the bottom of a coconut tree and wonders why they're falling on his head. Anything that was wrong with city hall is so much worse thanks to him, who's just a big huge incompetent distraction. And clearl the fact that he's a lying, conniving, back-stabbing and utterly unethical and amoral phony, doesn't bother you.

Too bad for him, having only managed to get through a night school that wasn't even accredited by the Bar Assn., he's not smart enough to get away with it. Should have stayed under the radar in Long Beach where his dirty tricks as a "fixer" suited him to a T.

Yeah, it would have been such a shame to have someone in the post who could hit the ground running, giving the mayor and council solid trusted advice, someone who was at the top of his class and editor of the law review instead, someone the city attorneys prefered for a very good reason. But hey, lucky for Nuch he's got Cooley's 2 top long-time deputies running the office and trying to keep his foot out of his mouth any more than already - the City Atty's office is nothing more than a city outpost for his mentor/ enabler Steve Cooley's rightwing agenda of vendettas and hatreds.

Public service? What's that? All those dumb plans and speeches about the environment (ha-ha, no money in that unless you're paid by the polluters or suing a city), poor people (ugh), at-risk youth and medical marijuana patients (jail 'em for their own good) -- gotta get on with the REALLY important things, breaking all the promises he made and jailing all the co9uncilmembers, board and commission members, and "unnamed others" he and Cooley can find! AS long as they're Democrats or libruls.

October 17, 2009 6:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Legalize so it can be regulated. I know, "regulated" is a bad word. However, "regulated" can mean "no pesticides" or low levels of pesticides.

What follows is what I was told by a number of med marijuana advocates: home grown/small time local operation grown is usually pesticide free. South of the boarder is a guaranteed pesticide ridden product. That is why I think it should be legal so that one can demand origin of growth and good quality.

I think it is horrible that some of the pot tested was doused in pesticides. That should be criminal. Here you have patients needing quality products and they should be able to expect poison free pot. If legal, the pot could be certified "organically grown."

As for Nuch's behavior towards the terminally ill woman, I have not watched the video and could not find it on a You tube search. If he was rude to her, then shame on him. If he was relaying his interpretation of the law (as opposed to what the law should be), then that is his job. Perhaps the way the law is written, one cannot just open shop.

Knowledge of where and how the product was grown is imperative. Once unregulated big business enters the picture, you will see tainted products. While I am not for over-regulation, I do think some simple protective measures should be in place. These poor patients need to know they are not inhaling pesticides.

October 17, 2009 6:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes to medical marijuana. But, It needs to be regulated along legitimate channels. Other cities have managed that - there is no reason we can't do the same.

It's a real joke that you can get your "medicine"without even seeing a doctor. The pot shop calling into one of their quack doctors for a $100. fee is as bogus as it gets.

The scenario of the hemp fields is pretty bogus too. Hemp and the marijuana people ingest are two different things. That's like comparing the field corn that is ground into fodder for feeding animals to the sweet corn we buy in the store to eat. Try smoking hemp and you're more likely to get a headache than get rid of one.

October 17, 2009 6:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nuch will arrest Jan Perry for eating hamburgers under her desk. Then he'll arrest the Building and Safety guy for hanging a picture of his mother in an unauthorized spot on his office wall.

Then he'll put all the medical cannabis patients who are too sick to grow their own pot in jail with the homeless, the poor kids just hangin' in their hoods especially if their Ne-groes or Messicans.

We know that his right hand man David Berger ran with Walter Moore on a platform of making sure Jack Weiss didn't get a chance to "make the streets safe for illegal immigrant gangbangers" because everyone knows that's what Weiss wanted to do. Nuch didn't let him.

Jan Perry, hide those hamburgers. If you're going to be passing laws against fast food joints for others you'd better stop ducking under the desk to eat burgers or Nuch will arrest you next time and AEG can't buy you out of it. Oh, and he's not taking you on his Harley rides with Denny Zine any more so there.

October 17, 2009 7:13 PM  

Anonymous edited by admin said:

It's Saturday and I agree with whoever wrote that DICK Alarcon's daughter is a sexy little ------.

It's too bad that DICK had to use his connections to get her her job with the city. She seems smart enough so that she didn't need DICK's help.

October 17, 2009 9:48 PM  

Anonymous edited by admin said:

Why does Jan Perry ban hamburgers but she's pro-pot? Pretty racist, yes?

We all know when Jan is running the council meetings she's eating hamburgers under the lectern.

No one would ever say Jan is a tasty little -------!

October 17, 2009 9:48 PM  

Anonymous edited by admin said:

Tamar Galatzan is a sexy little -------! I agree! But she lost my vote when she decided she wasn't going to honor either her first OR or her second job.

Turn off as an official.

But I'd (make love to her) in a heartbeat.

October 17, 2009 9:50 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Paul Hatfield, the AARP, Charlie Weaver and the folks back at the home say we're not supposed to use the word that starts with an F and ends with a G (no not the word that means homosexual) especially when it is used against Tamar Galatzan. Its ok to use it against Jan Perry or Alarcon's daughter I guess but to be fair I have edited comments across the board.

Have a good evening and a pleasant tommorrow

October 17, 2009 9:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I thought Zuma Dogg said he wasn't posting anymore?

October 17, 2009 10:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I love the part where the Times quotes Too-too-much saying that he can't discuss the situation with Perry beyond to acknowledge that he told her the consequences of her actions (throwing her in jail) if she kept pointing out that the AEG signage in question was grandfathered in BECAUSE "she is my client."

So let's see, he's the prosecutor and Grand Inquisitor who threatens her with jail if she does her job, AND he's her defense attorney? Like with Wendy Greuel, who had to go into court to defend herself against him because -- he's HER lawyer too, of course.

The judge handling that case (the Controller powers dispute, natch) said neither Too-too-much's position NOR the Council's agreeing to it made any sense whatsoever.

That's our Too-too-Much, "No Legal Advice Too Stupid, No Pretext to Jail My 'Clients' Too Small."

Another motto: "We jail our clients on a whim, walk them across the street to the DA - heck we've got half his team here already - he cooks up 'criminal aspects' to charge them with and we defend them later. Against ourselves and our better half Cooley." One Call to City Hall!

October 17, 2009 10:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Blame everyone but yourself Higby,
blame everyone but yourself...

October 17, 2009 10:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

6:15pm, it really sucks being you, having to defend you westside elitist Weiss every time Nuch shuts down one of City Hall's favorite pastimes like granting favors for big money campaign contributors.
Weiss, the 'experienced prosecutor' who only tried 2 cases in his entire career, is your hero. Weiss's biggest case was a Musketeer fraudster - he sent her to the slammer for 16 weeks. Big f'ing deal.
Weiss went to an Ivy league school, unlike Nuch who learnt law the hard way, night school, then the daily grind of felony trials at the DA's Office, then successful private practice. All the while, your ponced-up Weiss made nice with developers and strangled the westside with the resultant traffic congestion.
Nuch has a sense of right and wrong, and he's committed to doing the right thing. Cutting down on fat payments to private attorneys for doing the work that the deputies are more than capable of doing. Not rolling over on frivolous lawsuits like the spoonful of dog food that cost us $5M. Actually having uniform law regulating billboard instead of making the law unenforceable because ignorant shit for brains politicals want to do favors for AEG. Coming up with a law to regulate the 800 pot shops that are supplying pot to kids.
Yes, Weiss would have slithered straight into the city attorneys office and nobody would have even noticed there had been a change in administration. There would be no controversy over billboards, pot shop, corrupt politicians, and high fives when the city does not have to pay out millions of dollars on meritless lawsuits.
You are a sick piece of crap to try to sell us the idea that shaking up city hall is a bad thing. You, like so many other limo liberals are always part of the problem, never part of the solution.
Why do you hurry down to your nearest pot shop (before Nuch and Cooley close them down) and buy yourself a ton of Mexican grown insecticide infected dope and smoke yourself into oblivion. Like the cancer patient who argued with Nuch, you probably also believe it cannot hurt to smoke weed laced with toxins.
While you're there, pick up a phat blunt for Weiss, he needs it - he looks like a walking skeleton these days when he ventures out of his Bel Air compound to try to slime his way back into the Mayors office.

October 18, 2009 12:15 AM  

Anonymous Nina Royal said:

Thank you for Editing out those posts that must have been rude and Crude M.S. I am happy that you realize that most of your bloggers don't enjoy reading that stuff and it wastes our time and detracts from any post that has substance.

October 18, 2009 12:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well it's always good to know that there are plenty of stupid people out there who don't get it.

10:50PM is a good example, she doesn't know the first thing about attorney client privilege, but what does that matter? She's got to give us the benefit of her stupid, ebonics law school education.

So let's help 10:50PM try to understand it. When a client goes to an attorney and says "If I rob a bank, is that against the law?" and the attorney says "Yes, and if you do it, you'll go to jail" the attorney, cannot tell anyone about the advice he just gave the stupid dumb hamburger eating client.

So, the client, not happy with the advice she's been given, goes to the LA Times and complains that her attorney told her that she cannot break the law.
Now the 'client' has waived attorney client privilege, but the attorney still cannot say anything, that's the law.

Of course, the stupid 'client' could say to her attorney "You can talk about the advice you gave me" but because she's a politician utterly behooved to a major political contributor who owns every ton of her ass, she does not do that.

Instead, she gets some moron to complain on her behalf. Don't choke on that hamburger Jan, the show ain't over 'till you sing.

October 18, 2009 12:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

October 18, 2009 12:32 AM-Who's the big contributor?

October 18, 2009 1:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thank you Michael for bringing civility back to your blog. The posts are more intelligent. Good for Trutanich because its about time we had a real man and leader who isn't afraid to tell these dumb council members the law and what he would do. We like the way he talks because unlike all the other whimpy men in this city Trutanich finally sounds like a LEADER. He's going after all the illegal marijuana shops (not the legal medical ones) and there is a BAN on billboards and graphics. Jan Perry is trying to say AEG was before. TOO BAD Arrest all of the Nuch if they break the laww/

October 18, 2009 7:27 AM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Nuch not hiring me and his performance as city attorney are two separate issues and I don't let my personal feelings about my own issue cloud my opinion on an entire situation. I know it's hard to understand for someone like you.

October 18, 2009 9:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jan Perry was fired by Rita Walters as her Chief-of-Staff over her connections to the AEG people. It happened very abruptly in a weekend phone call from Rita. She told Jan not to come to work on Monday. It was when AEG was trying to get approvals and money from the City to build Staples Center. Jan wanted to give them whatever they wanted and was working at counter-purposes to Rita.

October 18, 2009 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

727 is the typical old geezer from the Neighborhood Councils who think that LA is Utah or something and that average people care about billboards, pot and cursing. That is why the city is in the crapper.

October 18, 2009 11:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So now 9:46 is attacking Jan Perry's whole background and credibility, sliming her in fact -- the pattern reveals itself.

As soon as anyone points out what an incompetent, lying, backstabbing bullying thug Trutanich is, he has his thugs rev up the slime machine to discredit the "witness" and try to make the thug look the saint.

Just like he's operated his whole career as "the fixer" for rapists, women and child beaters, seal shooters for fun and the worst toxic pulluters who did it for profit.

Too bad this bit of Long Beach sludge was dragged out of his obscure hole and because the Slimes has no investigative reporters left, and just rightwing-skewing provincials like David Zahniser and editorial writer Robert Greene, flew in under the radar to turn L A's city attorney's office into some yahoo- redneck outpost.

First, Laura Chick outs him as a "liar and demagogue" who spewed carefully hewn "fancy speeches and soundbites" that meant nothing to him, to pander to the old fools who think he gives a damn about their billboards and westside and Valley traffic -- and since he's never spent a minute in public service, having to think of the good of the city, balancing sound development/ revenue with the whims of ancient NIMBY's and those who have emotional problems, what the hell, no skin off his nose to lie and intend to throw them under the bus anyway.

Except Chick called him out on his being a fraud, so the anti=Chick Slime Machine went into full mode. Just like they did against Weiss, the Shallman-John Thomas slime machine was full throttle. And STILL getting revenge in refusing to pay off her attorney, who he'd SWORN to uphold. Putting petty spite over the public good, of course.

NOW they're revving up against Jan Perry. Who until now was his fave, he took her on his Harley for the famed photo op with Denny Zine (the pathos of them being two old fat guys thinking they're cool eluded them, of course), because she was ignorant of Weiss's role in DNA testing over the years and uttered negative soundbites Nooch snapped up, "rewarded" her for. (And Weiss had warned her about her side deal with Clear Channel, so she publicly attacked him for standing up for "rich people who care more about aesthetics than the poor," cuz she didn't get it.)

But NOW she's "outed" Trutnich for something she has first-hand knowledge about so the Slime Machine is getting oiled up.

October 18, 2009 12:48 PM  

Blogger Foxy LA Lady said:

No. We don't need more drugs. We need less. Medical Marijuana is not approved by the F.D.A. and yet it is still called "Medical." The stigma attached to the entire movement has invited all kinds of crime into the city. There is no way to protect addicts who are trying to get or stay sober and there's no way to identify who they are. With pot being a gateway drug, I'm not willing to save some people and sacrifice the lives and sanity of others for the sake of "medicine." We have to get away from the idea all together. It's not the solution people thought it would be.

October 18, 2009 7:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:48 = lard but sweatpants wearer who campaigned for Weiss at the CA's Office.

Same lying tactics here as failed in her campaign, trying to describe any reply as 'sliming.'

Jan Perry called a meeting with the CA and AEG because she wanted to help AEG get digital billboards that makes them millions in advertising revenue.

Now you might ask WHY Jan Perry is soooo concerned about making money for a private company that contributes to her, but if you're a MS reader, you know the reason.

Trutanich must have advised Perry that AEG would be breaking the law if they went ahead and put up illegal billboards, and he must have said the same thing to AEG's people, as well as the GM of Building and Safety. He also must have told Perry that she's looking at jail if she aids and abets this.

So what's the problem? A lawyer is supposed to tell people the consequences of their actions. But Perry wanted Trutanich to make an 'exception' for her friends, and Nuch told her to shove it up her fat ass.

F'ing hero in my book!

October 18, 2009 8:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What did you say Trutanich told Jan Perry to shove up her big fat ass? Was that one of those hamburgers she's eating under her desk to defy her own ban on hamburger joints in schools, or was it one of those AEG signs she's trying to smuggle in? And why isn't she allowed to tell the world that she's being bullied and threatened with jail time just for stating her views of her job? By her "defense attorney" who's the one bullying her, no less?

We lard-assed sweatsuit and slipper-wearing lazy "but" (sic) Deputy CA's aren't used to such sharp thinking from our new boss. Maybe he learned special things in that non-Bar Assn. night school of his (oh, if only it hadn't been forced to close after a few years in the 70's for being a fraud, think of all the other sharp legal minds it could have trained).

October 18, 2009 9:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:11PM - The fact that you don't understand attorney client privilege is bad. The fact that you say Jan Perry isn't "allowed to tell the world" shows your ignorance. The privilege belongs to Perry, and she is free to waive it. Your boss is not free to waive it.

There, do you understand it now? Or were you late for class the day they were teaching Ethics at your superior law school.

You and Perry should also understand something else. The City Attorney's Office represents the CIty of Los Angeles. Appointed Officials and Elected Officials who act ultra vires are not represented by the CA.

Ultra Vires means "beyond their powers," in case you also missed that at your superior law school.

To give you an example, Laura Chick was acting ultra vires, when she served subpoenas on the City Attorney's Office. That's why she lost. Get it now?

Probably not. Can you at least clean the stains off your sweatsuit?

October 18, 2009 10:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

10:37: You ought to get your story straight with Nooch. You say Chick is NOT represented by the CA because she acted outside her powers/ ultra vires BUT that's NOT what he told the Council, in advising them to make Greuel fire her AND Chick's attorney Woocher. In THAT case his argument was that ONLY he could represent Chick and Greuel even though he was suing them (as acting Controller, in official capacity).

You must have also missed the judge saying that was nonsense, and that both the CA's office and the gullible City Council erred in believing that bunk, that the same office could sue the Controller and represent her at the same time. The judge says it just plain made no sense, was impossible to assume that anyone in the office could act independently and directly hostily to the city attorney's position.

Missed that, huh?

You also missed that Nooch himself told the Times that Perry IS his client currently, and therefore is really, really mad at her for violating what he sees as attorney- client privilege. That, in essence, she was expected to just be threatened by "her attorney" is silence. Sounds more like a Stalinist threat to me. "Disobey or tell anyone and go to the Gulag."

But it may be karma for Perry, since she's one of the ones who did not side with Greuel on the right to have an independent attorney: as Woocher told the Council, "just wait until one of you is in Chick's position, being sued by the City Attorney who seems to treat the hundreds of attorneys on staff as his private (he could have said goon squad) staff." Well, not Perry's in that position - sort of. Not quite sued but bullied by the biggest thug this side of the...I was going to say Mississippi, but back East they respect education too much to have ever fallen for the spin of a grandstanding phony like Nooch. Well, there WAS that guy who railroaded those jocks at Duke... Gee, funny how when you're a really big incompetent trying to make a name for yourself, jocks at a big jock school (Duke, USC) seem to figure into it somehow?

Meanwhile, he and Cooley are also attracting attention over their going directly counter to the winds on the medical pot issue.

What gets some of us the most is the sheer AUDACITY of the lying, the utter amorality of this guy and his mentor/ enabler Cooley, flat-out lying to everyone from Chick to the pot people to the libs who bought his bill of goods about caring for the at-risk youth, the rest of it.

Do you know how LOW it feels to work for someone who's not only stupid and a bully but PLANNED it all along? Who intentionally defrauded the voters and media and sick people and old people and all the rest? (Just as we figured he would based on EXPERIENCE not unfounded lies?)

Do you know how DISGUSTED those of us are, who BELIEVE in public service, who chose these jobs because we want to do good, not be the handmaidens to some righting grandstanding charlatan?

October 18, 2009 11:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:34 - I'm with you.

I would take Zuma Dogg and Matt Dowd any day over the current council members.

I'm embarrassed that Trutanich is our city attorney. He is a freak.

I loved the Local Opinion in the Daily News last week that stated Trutanich was helping the Mexican drug cartel with his insane medical marijuana dispensary fight. So true, so true.

There are far better issues in LA to waste your energy on. This is one battle that won't be won. Legal or illegal, dispensaries or none, 60% of the nation will continue to smoke pot.

October 19, 2009 12:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh Monica please. Your cop-loving obsession is clouding your judgment. Pot is a gateway drug and you saw that on Reefer Madness, right?

I hate to burst your bubble but even some of the police smoke weed. Believe it.

How about alcohol? That is some kind of dangerous shit. I would rather be around a stoned-on-pot person than a drunk. Any day of the week.

October 19, 2009 1:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymous at 12:55AM writes about Trutanich: Do you know how LOW it feels to work for someone who's not only stupid and a bully but PLANNED it all along?"

Are you saying he planned to be stupid? That would take a lot of smarts.

If I were you, and in addition to all that I was being overworked to the tune of 40 hour a week, I'd quit. Screw them, let them try to run the office without your help. That'll show them.

October 19, 2009 9:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Obama Administration should go after Cooley just like they went after that rogue, racists Sheriff in Arizona.

Cooley will lose his next election. Pot smokers and the Hollywood Polanski loyalists (not that I agree with them) will make sure of that.

And from the look of things, it seems as if Trut will soon have L.A. defending itself against countless lawsuits because of his John Wayne attitude to law enforcement.

I wonder if Cooley has ever investigated any of his bosses - the board of Supes - for their pot smoking violations. I can see Zev, Gloria and Mark burning one up in the Hahn Admin building - just like the old days.

October 19, 2009 11:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Another blow to the anti-marijuana gestapo -

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/judge-rules-against-citys-medical-marijuana-dispensary-ban.html

Today has been a good day for the mellow community.

October 19, 2009 1:27 PM  

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