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Thursday, August 20, 2009

VICA : Elitists, Snobs & Phonies

The Valley Industry and Commerce Association (VICA) is holding a debate tomorrow morning at the Sportsmans Lodge Hotel in Studio City. The event is scheduled for 7:45 to 10 AM.

There are multiple problems with this.

1) They only invited three candidates of the ten running for the CD 2 spot.
Chris Essel, Tamar Galatzan, and Paul Krekorian. Also known as "the Big 3". I have heard that maybe Mary Benson has wrangled her way into the event, but I am unsure about that.

2) They are charging people $20 to see only 30% of the candidates.

Media aware and internet-savvy political junkies would have already known to go see all ten candidates at the Sunland-Tujunga event. Cost? Free!

3) This limiting of the event, by a private organization, is perfectly acceptable. However, it shows that the organization lacks class and lacks dignity. For them, it is perfectly acceptable to exclude certain candidates from an event like this. Inviting some, but not all, shows their true character...or lack of it.

4) VICA members should be offended that the organization has invited ONLY Democrats to participate.
Actually, I think their members should get their heads examined. Democrats always find a way to harm businesses and regulate them out of existence. If there was a good Republican like Joe Essavi in the race, I'd want to hear about him.

5) The candidates themselves should have had the dignity, honor, and grace to object to something like this. It makes a mockery of the democratic process when you exclude people. It's Un-American.

When I was running for Mayor of Los Angeles, I was invited to dozens and dozens of these types of forums and debates. I always made it clear to the organizers that I would not attend if the other candidates on the ballot were not invited. If the candidates later chose not to show up...then that was a different matter.

As a political leader, you have to always be concerned about the freedom of others to be involved in the process. Essel, Krekorian, and Galatzan are not concerned with anyone else's freedom.
That makes them very dangerous people to elect to political office.

CD 2 voters need to be wary of these three people.

If I was in their position, I would be sending out press releases saying that I would not be attending this event because other candidates were being excluded. It would offend my sense of honor and dignity.

But from "the Big 3" ?? Not a peep. Because they lack character, and are not true leaders.

If any of you attend this event tomorrow, you might want to ask them how they will protect the freedoms of voters in CD 2, when they wouldn't even stand up for the freedom of their fellow candidates.


Blogger Phil Jennerjahn said:

I just got a call from Frank Sheftel. He says he managed to get into the VICA event and so did Mary Benson.

Frank says he is troubled by the fact that others are being excluded...and he plans to say something about that in his remarks tomorrow.

Well done, Frank.

August 20, 2009 10:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wait a minute, you mean you aren't criticizing Frank and Mary for attending despite the fact that the others weren't invited?

August 20, 2009 11:13 PM  

Blogger Joe B. said:

I hate to say it, but for once I agree with you, Phil

August 20, 2009 11:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Another day, another Phil post about the Big 3.

Altho I'm surprised by the lack of 'big spending liberal' comments.

August 21, 2009 12:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When is the last time Michael Trujillo had any political success? Or should I say, when was the last time he hasn't failed.

August 21, 2009 1:34 AM  

Anonymous Stuart Waldman said:

1.VICA serves breakfast at the event. Twenty dollars offsets the cost.
2. All candidates were invited to fill out a questionnaire. It was explained that only viable business friendly candidates would be invited. Mary and Frank both answered the questionnaire well.

August 21, 2009 6:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So, ZD was excluded just because he cannot read or write coherently?

C'mon, Stu, just because he dropped out of school and didn't graduate doesn't mean he wouldn't make a great Councilmember.

I mean, look at LaBonge and Reyes, for instance. They have the same problems as ZD, ADD, lack of education, lack of manners, etc. but they are sitting in the horseshoe.

The LA City Council can stand one more moron, and ZD can fill the bill.

Let him in...

I rest my case.

August 21, 2009 7:02 AM  

Anonymous matt dowd said:

elitists, snobs, phonies... add to that liars and thieves.

$20 will 'offset' the breakfast.

how many places in this City hit you for $20 for breakfast, and still don't cover costs. its just offset.

no wait, I get it, the public pays, and subsidises all of these clowns.

nobody gonna show up. make em choke on the croissants. oh the pain of having to pay for breakfast.

August 21, 2009 7:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Phil Genderjane being a poseur in front of a flag is the definition of a phoney.

Takes one to know one.

Why is Phil the first person to comment ON HIS OWN POST? Couldn't get it all in on the post? Just had to be first, didn't ya?

August 21, 2009 7:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7:02 you make a great point! But, zuma dogg claims he "worked in radio" so isn't that the same as being able to read and write coherently?

zuma doesn't recognize that those things count. it's about more than being able to scream and rap. you have to be polished (it's not a country zuma! that's poland) in order to gain peoples' trust.

August 21, 2009 7:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7:02 The difference is that LaBong and Reyes had jobs and worked hard to get elected.

August 21, 2009 7:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It doesn't surprise me VICA would exclude candidates. Remember their ex-employee Aaron Green a few weeks ago said publicly that Zuma is wasting public dollars by running for office? I know he's a lobbyist now and doesn't speak for VICA but the comments were completely in line with the way VICA is behaving.

August 21, 2009 7:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My guess it it'll be the best-attended forum in the race.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

August 21, 2009 9:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm not a VICA fan, but I agree with Waldman's message.

Seriously, at least 5 of the "fringe" candidates are just that...not viable and a little nutty.

I enjoy reading this blog from time to time, but you guys are whining little babies. Organizations can invite who they want. Just cause some of the lame candidates have no real shot doesn't mean they should clog up the airtime of those who do.

Whine Whine Whine.

August 21, 2009 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

VICA will be well attended and the people who come actually vote.

Can anyone really criticize them for not wanting a clown act to take up time and space when there is literally no chance that he will be a factor?

In our lives, we create our own problems. My mom used to say we make the bed we lie in. David Saltsburg, aka David Elliott, aka Zuma Dogg has been making that bed in Los Angeles for a while now, and he is paying the price for his clowning and otherwise time consuming and wasting antics.

Now that he wants to be considered a "serious" candidate, he cannot shed that skin and suddenly gain respect. He's had his two minutes, time and time again, but there is no constitutional right of his to be in this forum, so out he is.

Too bad David, here, the messenger has obscured the messge so badly it will not be delivered. Maybe if you clean up your act, someday, people might take you seriously.

August 21, 2009 10:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1. So what? Good they've streamlined the event so as not to waste people's time.
2. If you don't want to pay, don't go.
3. See #1 above.
4. Top candidates happen to be Dems. Yes, the 8 years of Republican Pres. G.W. Bush have done wonders for American businesses and the economy!
5. Exclusion and streamlining is VERY American - so hate the game, not the player.

August 21, 2009 10:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When did "oppose" suddenly become so synonymous with "hate" in American political discourse? Seems like now every time someone takes a strong opposition to something, someone out there accuses them of being a "hater."

At what point did this nation of rugged individualists, of "Gary Coopers", and stoic pioneers turn into such a blithering band of touchie-feelies?

I think I blame Alan Alda (or maybe it was Jimmy Carter). Maybe I even "hate" them?

August 21, 2009 11:02 AM  

Blogger Phil Jennerjahn said:

Stuart Waldman is full of it. Frank Sheftel and Mary Benson have been long-time business owners in CD2. The fact that they were left off the flyer and not mentioned shows VICAs true intent to exclude them.

VICA preferred the phony and the two political opportunists over two long-time business owners.

How much were they paid for this?

August 21, 2009 11:09 AM  

Anonymous matt dwd said:

I talked about how I invested in the DOW at 6600 points.

now its round 9500 a lot of volatile stocks look fragile.

I just put everything into Nokia NOK a couple days ago at 12.20.
Today they're at 12.55.

they were 40 a year ago. and 15 a couple weeks ago.

I think they'll be a steady performer over the next couple months, regardless of overall market volatility.

Here's what Mayor Sam posted back in March

August 21, 2009 11:11 AM  

Blogger Petra Fried in the City (KCS) said:

I'm thrilled Mary got into the VICA event.

Sad that it won't do much good. Tamar's husband pretty much makes their choice a done deal.

August 21, 2009 11:15 AM  

Blogger Joseph Mailander said:

Phil has a good point. But at least Stu tried to explain the criteria for not welcoming the other candidates. That's something the Los Angeles Times editorial board never did explain adequately when not covering rival candidates in the Mayor's race. Warren Olney never explained KCRW's cone of silence on alternative candidates either.

One political consultant told me: "Just state what the criteria are up front, so everyone can see what they are. Are they funds collected? Approval of the business community?" Whatever they are, they should be public knowledge.

It appears that Waldman is saying that the criteria was not business knowledge but rather potential to please the business community. Not even the Chambers of Commerce do that before endorsing candidates, they invite all or most of them. And if unions only invited certain candidates to such an event on their ability to serve labor interests, there'd be far more of an uproar.

August 21, 2009 11:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

somehow i doubt the big 3 were selected because they answered the questionnaire to stuart's liking.

also.. along the lines of petra's comment: it's very important in a setting like this to know who is moderating the debate. phil do you know?

August 21, 2009 11:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SOrry but Essel and Frank are the only ones with a clue about business issues. Let's see what does Paul Krekorian know about balancing a budget??? OH WELL LOOK AT THAT! CALIFORNIA IS GOING BANKRUPT AND PAUL IS RIGHT UP THERE IN THE LEADERSHIP TEAM ENABLING THE MESS AND NOW WANTS TO POINT FINGERS??


August 21, 2009 12:28 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

I won't reprint the email Stuart sent me last night because I still like Stuart, who've I known for 17 years, but nonetheless I was quite disappointed by his wording and tone.

Stuart is a smart and good guy. That's why I supported him for the Assembly even though he's a Democrat. If he can turn VICA around, great. But I don't think he can, not because he lacks skill or talent, but because there is no turning these organizations around because the entrenched members don't want change.

Its the reason why Rotary Clubs, Kiwanis Clubs, Chambers, etc. (of course there is a handful of individual exceptions) in the Valley are dying. Its because the people who have held power for 20 or 30 years or more simply can not leg go of control. They won't admit it but quite frankly they are scared to death of their organizations growing and thriving because then their role will be meaningless and they won't get the personal validation they think they get from being "in charge" of something.

Sadly VICA, VEDC, the United Chambers, the LA Chamber, etc. are no more than social clubs for their members and lapdogs for the electeds and developers. They do not aggressively work for solutions that would radically change LA and make it a business center like Las Vegas or Orange County or Silicon Valley. We can't even compete with smaller cities like Santa Monica, Pasadena, Burbank, Santa Clarita, even Montebello who all have excellent business climates and where LA's business and jobs are moving.

In fact many of these organizations ADVOCATE for jobs killing tax increases like the phony phone tax, Measure B, etc. (I'm not saying VICA, VEDC, LA Chamber all did across the board but some of them have endorsed all of these at one time or another). They support anti-business candidates and do nothing to go out and develop pro-business leaders - whether they are Democrat or Republican - to elect to office, instead they endorse whoever worked for the last elected (except for stuart who is one of the rare ones who actually has experience running a business and was in the military. he's one of the most conservative democrats I know and its too bad he wasn't in the Assembly during the budget mess).

So the bottom line is that these groups does some nice things from time to time, some of the people involved are very nice and individually do nice things like raise money for charity, etc. But again, these groups as a whole, as I said, are useless.

Remember, Chris Essel comes from this crowd.

And to the reader who said this event will have the most voters please. Most of these folks like in West LA, Woodland Hills, Santa Clarita, etc. There won't be many CD2 voters there. Far more votes showing up at the NC, HOA events.

August 21, 2009 12:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1007 hit the nail on the head when he said that Zuma is not invited to some of these events because they don't want a CLOWN showing up and running the event into the ground.

Maybe he would insult the guests or the hosts. Maybe he would force them to turn down his microphone or some other intervention.

Dave keeps talking about how he's been doing this n that in los angeles for so many years and was an obnoxious deejay prior to the (there's no record of his being an air personality on the web), but where has it gotten him? Homeless and shut out of certain events.

Act like a clown and get treated like a clown. Uninvited to the dance.

August 21, 2009 12:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Gimme a break Mayor Sam!

You don't like the tone of something? You're the king of hurling insults at people.

August 21, 2009 12:49 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

12:49. Its one thing for me or readers to shout insults on the blog.

Its another thing to send a private, profanity laced email to a person whom you have known for 17 years, who has known all your wives, who has supported your endeavors (often at great derision from others) just because you got your feelings hurt from a critical but fair assessment of your employer.

That being said I see that just about everyone is on the rag this week so I'm going to cut Stuart some slack.

August 21, 2009 1:25 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

I don't think Zuma ever said he was on-air talent. I think he was a program director, music director and then headed up research at Billboard.

August 21, 2009 2:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The truth is that just because you get on a ballot doesn't mean you deserve a platform. Like Phil, anyone can claim to be a "leader we can trust," but in fact, phil is no leader at all, not even close.

The candidates in this race tend to be a little bit more informed then others I've seen, but in THIS world, viability matters and some people don't feel like wasting their time with people that have absolutely no chance of winning. Democracy means that you can get on the ballot, it doesn't mean that people are required to give you the time of day. Live with it.

August 21, 2009 2:25 PM  

Anonymous Paul Hatfield said:

Higby's description of VICA and the Chamber is a fair evaluation of such organizations- out of date and connected to the establishment.

Former Mayor Riordan would fit right in. I'm not surprised he endorsed Essel.

Paul Hatfield,
Valley Village

August 21, 2009 2:58 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Memo to trolls, nutbars, loons, Wackos and fake posters...including those of you with multiple identities:

You can keep submitting comments, you can even insult me in email, but your posts aren't going up.

Say what you want, but the joke is on you!

Blog away dummm, dummms.

August 21, 2009 2:59 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Thanks Paul. It's the truth. I wish Stuart would recognize that and not take it personally.

August 21, 2009 3:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I've observed Zuma at the forums and meetings and see no reason to believe he would insult guests or drive the event into the ground. And if he did behave that way then it would only haunt him. I think you are trying to portray a distorted picture here.

August 21, 2009 3:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is scandalous.
I can tell you there was a lot of back pedaling by VICA in the 24 hours before the event.
I am aware of at least 2 candidates who called to verify the invitation only status.
I am unaware of either being asked to fill out a questionnaire.
Let’s call and ask Bisani, Essavi, Salzberg, and Sanchez if they were asked to fill anything out to deem if they were “worthy” enough to attend the event.

And as for breakfast – well the forum the other night at Laurel Hall offered refreshments, and no one was asked to pay. This was sponsored by the 3 groups that came together to host the event. What is VICA making money off this? Are they donating it to anyone’s campaign.
This whole thing stinks. It is disrespectful to our community and giving people a real chance to hear who will best represent our needs.
I honestly don’t believe it is anyone referred to as part of the “Big 3.”

August 21, 2009 4:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:






Damn, remind me not to take your comments so seriously. You are far more naive than I thought.

August 21, 2009 5:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Every candidate should be invited to every forum. It is called democracy.

And, who said that Ed Reyes worked hard to win his council seat? He did nothing to win. He sent out a couple of flyers that only had hispanics on them, not one white, black or asian. Shame on him for not being inclusive. Reyes had money to spend and the opponent did not. It was an unfair fight. So, lets set the record straight.

August 21, 2009 6:50 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Regarding my career in the radio industry, it is easy to verify this. You may have to call some of my old radio bosses or I can give you some names of people who can tell you all about "Dave Elliott" (which was my radio name). Here's the quick rundown: I started in Columbus, Ohio while at OSU at local radio station WNCI. Some of the DJs are still on air there and can tell you all about me. I started in the market research department on the phones making perceptual (poll) calls about the station and DJs and music. I went on to become research director, running the department. I was also able to get the gig on Sunday morning running the Casey Kasem show. It came with a little bit of announcing on live commercials and allowed me to get the experience "running the board." (Operating the station on-air, except for being a live DJ). Of course, one day a DJ got sick and they had me fill in on the late night Saturday show. I became a regular weekend DJ in Columbus at WNCI and has a little bit of name recognition from the big Saturday Night Dance Show I hosted. BUT, I made the decision I liked the backroom programming and marketing (executive) stuff. The DJs weren't the strategy but just the puppets saying what the Program Director was telling them to say. And I had the knack for programming, which was simply reflecting the market's taste, just like it's easy for me at public comment to represent the community voice on issues. So I went from Ohio to Kansas City t Washington to Houson to NYC to LA. I never sent out a resume. My phone would just ring after I set a market on fire and I would move to the next bigger city on my way to my dream goal of working at Z-100/NYC. I ended up being hired at the station and it was the experience of a lifetime. From there, I was hired at Billboard Magazine as Director of Charts which was seen as bigger gig. It was an international position and I also oversaw five other weekly trade magazines put out by Billboard and put together the weekly HOT 100 chart. The ENITRE radio and record industry across the world revolves around that one, single chart because it's what retail stores used to stock the stores. So the whole game was to get Dave Elliott to move your record up the chart in a system that was not supposed to be manipulated.
So it is true that I started as a DJ as anyone in radio would want to. Just like anyone in TV wants to be an actor. But I liked the programming strategy stuff like someone who prefers to be a writer/director rather than actor. I worked as research director at Z-100/NYC and at Billboard. SORRY IT'S ALL TRUE. So what happened? I've written about that recently. Look for the "Zuma Dogg 9 Year Anniversary" Post, or sometime around then. I explain the transistion. Sometimes trailblazers like Zuma Dogg are more like Neil Young than Crosby Stills and Nash.

August 21, 2009 7:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

323 obviously has never watched something called CITY COUNCIL.

Zuma has created an absolute SIDE SHOW that has enabled others to act like complete clowns, as is their right.

However you must be the only person on this blog to never see that. This is why we all know Zuma Dogg, because he has created a cartoon like character who shouts, raps or makes gameshow noises from The Price is right while making his comments there,dressed in a ski cap and sunglasses, smelling as though he slept in a dumpster.

August 21, 2009 7:45 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:



Damn, remind me not to take your comments so seriously. You are far more naive than I thought.

August 21, 2009 5:26 PM


I worked those positions in Washington, D.C, Houston, NYC and was paid consultant hired by the General Manager of KIIS-FM in LA.

So you are so sure and so arrogant and so critical of Higby and call everything into question, EXCEPT YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG! (LOL!)

And for THAT, my friend, you take the "BIGGEST CRYBABY LOSER OF ALL TIME" AWARD.

Ha ha! You LOSE...ALL credibility. You are 100% wrong and have been completely discredited. Too bad you are an anono-pussy. NOW SPIN THAT!

August 21, 2009 7:47 PM  

Blogger Joe B. said:

Just got a report from one of the candidates that about 100 people attended. Essavi was there handing out fliers to the attendees before the forum, but left before it began. Bisani put a flier on everyones windshield but did not enter the building.

August 21, 2009 7:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stuart Waldman and VICA is no longer legitimate. I've known it for a couple years. But this just really drives it home and I bet everyone sees through them now. I hope it paid off for their "Circle of Influence" crowd.

August 21, 2009 8:18 PM  

Blogger Joe B. said:

VICA is obsolete. They are a rubber stamp organization for any project and their loyalty lies in supporting any development or developer. They are an embarrassment to the SFV.

August 21, 2009 11:59 PM  

Anonymous THE THREE WRATHS!!! said:


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Washington List now includes!!!

********MAYOR SAM BLOG*******
{Highly Esteemed; Michael Higby}
{Revered; Petra Fried In The
{Revered; Joe B.}
{Revered; Red Spot In CD 14}
{Revered; Phil Jennerjahn}

*********L.A WEEKLY********
{Highly Esteemed; Jill Stewart}
{Revered; Full Sraff}

******RON KAYE L.A.******
{Highly Esteemed; Ron Kaye}

******KFI A.M. 640******
{Revered; Eric Leonard}

{Augusto Bisani}
{Mary Benson}
{Peter Sanchez}
{Josef Essavi}
{Michael McCue}
{Frank Sheftel}
{David "Zuma Dog" Saltsburg"}
{Tamar Galatzan}
{Paul Krekorian}
{Chris Essel}

********THE THREE WRATHS********
{Air Of Mystery/Always Stunning}
{Own UP!!!}
{Riddle Me This/Riddle Me That}


So! That means, you VICA!!!! With
your 'ARROGANT' & 'LOOSER'.....
attitude!!! Thus caddy & inferior
'ANTICS' 'OFFICIALLY' places you!

VICA!! you are " naughty-not nice-
non-team players!! & even SANTA-
CLAUS!!! has canceled your snooty



The guest of honor; The President
of the United States of America;
Barack Obama, will personally
hand deliver Christmas Gifts to
the Esteemed & revered guests.

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August 22, 2009 12:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hold the phone! Stuart Waldman led a Circle Jerk? Call Lloyd Levine! Oh wait too late. I think Lloyd is working at Starbucks.

August 22, 2009 12:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Michael Trujillo's successes? How about Tamar Galatzan for school board and Antonio Villaraigosa for Mayor. Hmm, what did he lose? Oh right, Measure B and Jack Weiss.

What else?

August 22, 2009 2:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

VICA sucks and everybody knows it. Stuart can't save them from themselves. They've ruined their reputation over the years and they're only business, chamber, business, chamber and they don't see anything else that surrounds the issue that is very important stuff to the communities who should boycott their members.

Not that Stuart would be the one to save them though.

And to the uneducated, VICA is the chambers really. What other industry and commerce is going on in the Valley?

VICA sucks now and always has.

They're an organization that many people vote the opposite of who they endorse. Does that make those people haters?

August 22, 2009 2:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

VICA might support Paul just because he is the white man.

Of course, "viable" to them means the one who has raised the most money, the only thing they care about.

I would love to see the letter from Stuart. I myself have suffered his wrath but it did make him look stupid to a lot of people.

August 22, 2009 2:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Whoever said that Zuma can't read or write has obviously never been to his blog.

Go Zuma!

August 22, 2009 2:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Zuma Dogg, so Higby was wrong then. He said you were the Research Director at Billboard Magazine.

Let me ask you, what was the name of the station you were at in Cleveland. It's an easy as pie thing to check. Now that you've committed yourself to those positions, what station where they at?

August 22, 2009 5:06 AM  

Blogger Petra Fried in the City said:

12:32am, since you mention me (I think),

Feel free to call me whatever, but I seriously haven't a clue what you are talking about or what the joke is.

Maybe I need coffee first.

Who went to the VICA affair? Anyone care to give us non-members (and never would be members-types) a summary?

August 22, 2009 8:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Trujillo didn't run Villaraigosa's campaign. He was his driver. He also had to run out and buy the condoms when Antonio was Speaker. Hertzberg was his roommate and Bob's wife who is Latina still hates Antonio to this day for his affairs.

Trujillo ran Tamar's campaign. But even Zuma Dogg could win an election with $2 million and running against a dead man.

Yes he fucked it up with Measure B and Jerk Weiss. He ran Hillary's campaign in Califoria and other states too. All the losing states. The stupid Clintons believe Antonio's spin that he and "his boys" would bring them Latinos.

August 22, 2009 8:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Trujillo didn't just screw up with Measure B AND Jack Weiss, but he screwed Jack with his bungling of B. That's what got people angry enough to mobilize into an organized force to defeat it, and Jack was on the same ballot and was seen as a symbol of everything wrong with how Antonio does business. He took the hit for all of them.

Even though Measure B was really at least equally the baby of Eric Garcetti, who's the one who tried to push it through without enough community input, seemed to circumvent input in fact.

Trujillo was given this job by Eric and others, so it can't be said to all be his fault but he doesn't seem to get the relationship of B to Weiss. Noel Weiss argued the case in court, and his easy victory showed Eric and Antonio beatable - even though he later ended up supporting Jack.

Eric and the other clowns don't or won't get this, nor does Antonio. They clowncil went around patting themselves on the back for having won their elections, all against nobodies without a dime, with very low turnout meaning some got elected by 5% of their district, as though they weren't the very "City Hall" that got people angry in the first place. So Trujillo did screw up but he was carrying water for Eric and the whole tonedeaf, oblivious City Council.

August 22, 2009 9:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This “Big 3” concept is misleading to say the least. STOP! Angelenos will NOT know who the Big 3 are until after the September 22 special election.

BOYCOTT the anti democracy forum!

August 22, 2009 12:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Angelenos always vote for elected officials that have ties with special interest groups. Once elected, the elected official(s) are loyal to their campaign contributors, special interet groups, and not the people who voted for him or her.

Don’t vote based on the 20 second TV ads or colorful fliers, which is what the special interest money will buy and used to fool the voters. The candidate who raises the most money is NOT always the most qualified person for the job.

August 22, 2009 12:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tamar does need to work on her voice and delivery. In a nasal way she recites her current jobs and she does have the most experience, but doesn't know how to speak to a room, to engage people or draw them to her.

It's a mistake however to vote for the person who's the best speaker, a dangerous mistake as we've seen very recently. Or voting for the person who has the least experience with government or city hall. Inexperience in any other field is a negative, and there's no reason it should suddenly be seen as a positive in any election for a major office. That's dumb.

Believing that a person will do something just because they say they will, with no record to back it up, is a pig in a poke, and you can find out you're stuck with a different pig than the one that was sold to you, as we've also seen.

August 22, 2009 1:32 PM  

Anonymous THE THREE WRATHS!!! said:

8/22/09 - 8:19 AM Petra.......
in response to your justified
inquiry of 12:32 AM.....We, clarify
& convey the the message to you....
this way; Petra it's apparent, your
striving for better & for a quality
existence; thus demanding, higher
standards...therefore that makes...
YOU! NICE !(as to our perception)

Therefore, Santa Claus rewards you!

Now! VICA is underhanded & below...
grade(inferior standard-expired &
rancid) Their NAUGHTY! ANTICS! gets
and for that! they will NOT! be....
receiving, a gift from the 'good -
doer! SANTA!

STAY TUNED, IF YOU WISH! for a edited version of the 12:32am posting...we accidently, POSTED THE
VERSION WITH TYPOS!!! that may, be
a factor of some confusion!

August 22, 2009 2:12 PM  

Anonymous g said:


August 22, 2009 5:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh zuma dogg, one of the commenters asked you WHAT STATIONS you worked at in those markets?

I promise you that I will call and find out.

Wouldn't want to have a councilman who lies about his qualifications.

August 22, 2009 7:11 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:


No, you lost that one. Go check it yourself, loser. It's 5:06 in the morning and look at yourself. You need to start with the man in the mirror, loser. Worry about something else. Otherwise, I gave you all the info to go research it yourself. You suffer from mental illness I now can see.

August 22, 2009 7:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


If you had all those great jobs, how come you have nothing to show for it but homelessness?

If you had all those jobs, why don't you have the connections to get another? Or did you alienate all those connections?

August 22, 2009 8:50 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

7:11pm, Do you really think I would make all that stuff up? I assure you it is all true.

August 23, 2009 9:59 AM  

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