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Wednesday, December 19, 2007

LA, Shanghaied

Republicans, Libertarians, Planning-Report-types, policy wonks, homeowners, and even some plain ol' City folk are probably not going to like many of the things that USC School of Architecture's Dean Quinyun Ma recently told the excellent architecture website archinect in a multi-part interview.

Ma on American v. Chinese economics:


But I think it’s hardly free-market here. It’s market driven, but driven by only a few. That almost has no difference from a top down political system, whatever you call it. It could be Communism, Socialism, It’s not too much different. Of course the top down, authoritarian or totalitarian, political system is not perfect for the market economy either, but, what I am saying is, not perfect or not good for free-market, but it’s still a market. So the problems are similar and the difficulties are similar as well. But China still has, I hope, a chance to modify it, to improve it, where the U.S. is more difficult to improve.

Ma on American mobility:


Here you just have an open horizon, if you don’t like it you can just move away and find a new spot.

Sure. Ma on Angeleno mobility:

But, I will live in Pasadena, I love to be able to go to the Westside all the time. But I don’t think that freedom is healthy.

Ma on different kinds of urban solutions:

The other thing that I have been constantly thinking about is what I call ‘urban swap’, where we borrow a problem from Paris and inject it into Los Angeles based on the hypothesis that a bacteria in one biological body could be a vaccine in the other body. Which means that cities start to trade problems, not treasures. Because poison can be extremely good.

Ma on immigration as solution:


So I would do experiments. Los Angeles has a lot of areas that are really unoccupied. If you would just introduce Asians, have them come in, give them a limited time permit, have them live there, you would enliven it. I’m sure.


Ma on revitalization through immigration:

We can start to create reversed colonies in areas here that are not so desirable and start to invite immigrants, in an organized way, not illegal, but a temporary concession. I would introduce the concession ideas of Shanghai to L.A.

This is the Dean of USC, not of Sci-Arc. As they say at the political blogs, read the whole thing.

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24 Comments:

Blogger Santiago said:

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December 19, 2007 2:58 PM  

Blogger Santiago said:

Anonymous said...
3:15 Are you envious of the courage Zuma has?



Leading hand sanitizers claim they can kill 99.9 percent of germs. Zuma Dogg can kill 100 percent of whatever the fuck he wants.

Some kids piss their name in the snow. Zuma Dogg can piss his name into concrete.

Zuma Dogg's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Zuma Dogg.

Zuma Dogg once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now The Islands.

Zuma Dogg counted to infinity - twice.

Zuma Dogg's tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

Zuma Dogg does not sleep. He waits.

Zuma Dogg can speak braille.

Boogaloo down Broadway ZD.
You the man ZD, take us all to funky town.

December 19, 2007 3:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ma on American v. Chinese economics:

"But I think it’s hardly free-market here. It’s market driven, but driven by only a few. That almost has no difference from a top down political system, whatever you call it. It could be Communism, Socialism, It’s not too much different. Of course the top down, authoritarian or totalitarian, political system is not perfect for the market economy either, but, what I am saying is, not perfect or not good for free-market, but it’s still a market. So the problems are similar and the difficulties are similar as well. But China still has, I hope, a chance to modify it, to improve it, where the U.S. is more difficult to improve."

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The china-man is stating the obvious, only a fool thinks we have free-market economy. A few very large corporations control most of our free-market economy. Just try an put your new soda on the shelves of major retailers. You will quickly see how free our market is.

December 19, 2007 3:54 PM  

Blogger Don Culo said:

Santiago,

Are you a dumb mayate? You sure say some stupid things. You mama needs to take away your computer.

December 19, 2007 4:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So what is your point? Its well known that you don't like development, but I still don't get your point.

December 19, 2007 4:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

With fools like these commenters giving "critiques" no wonder Ma can say any hallucinatory thing he wants and get away with it.

Can you imagine if China were where Mexico is, how many Chinese would have been here "injecting flavor" or whatever the hell he said Asians would do, into our economy? Having been to China, I can tell you they're just as chauvinistic if not worse than the Mexicans, with their sense of cultural superiority going back to the days of Confucius, the Emperors, etc.

Even though there were a tiny feudal minority benefiting from that, and the peasants then and upto the time of Mao were illiterate and deliberately kept that way by their masters, whether the Emperors or the Communists.

But because of their sheer numbers their small middle class is sizable and intends to decimate our economy as it is.

USC is already have foreign in its student body, it the faculty is also foreign and nutty, maybe they need to win some games at the Coliseum more than even they know.

Mailander actually found a stupid only-in-LA story here, folks.

December 19, 2007 4:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

USC is HALF foreign in student body...(not "have")

December 19, 2007 4:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Santiago said...
Anonymous said...
3:15 Are you envious of the courage Zuma has? "

You can change your name,but it makes no difference. Your actions and comments are not necessary and should be removed.

December 19, 2007 4:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:28 PM,

You seem to be excessively bitter about something? There's nothing worse than a professional amateur.

December 19, 2007 5:38 PM  

Blogger Santiago said:

Anonymous said...
You can change your name, but it makes no difference. Your actions and comments are not necessary and should be removed.


O PLEASE...GET A GRIP. ZUMA IS A YOUNG PERSON OF GENIUS, IN WANT OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND PATRONAGE. IT MAY BE THAT ZUMA DOGG IS A GENIUS; BUT IN THAT CASE I HAVE NOT YET LEARNED HIS SPECIAL LINE. HE RETRIEVES AN INSIGNIFICANT APPEARANCE BY A DISTINGUISHED MANNER. HIS REPUTATION OF STIRRING THE POT HANGS ABOUT HIM LIKE THE CLOUDY ENVELOPE OF A GOD IN AN EPIC.

December 19, 2007 5:52 PM  

Blogger Santiago said:

Anonymous said...

USC is HALF foreign in student body...(not "have")


LOGIC IS NOT A CONSTANT IN HIS BEHAVIOR.
ALSO, 4:43, CONFUCIUS IS NOT AMUSED.

December 19, 2007 6:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In China they also move to "open" lands to escape their crowded cities.

Only thing is, those place really are not "unoccupied" at all, but are places like Tibet, where the Tibetans kept down their population in order to preserve the land, but now they're overrun by Han Chinese who have ruined their country, environment and religion, and have taken over their economy. Tibetans historically had a bartar economy and only bought and sold what they needed -- they were unprepared to compete with the Han in mercenary mercantilism, engineering without regard for the environment, etc.

Same with the Turkic Muslims in Xingiang, whom they have conveniently labeled terrorists in order to prevent them from getting the kind of international sympathy the Tibetans are getting (a lot of good it's doing them, though).

Not worrying about niceties like civil liberties or an ACLU makes this kind of spreading out a whole lot easier and more convenient.

Same with other minorities and voila, fewer "minority problems."

Yup, there sure is lot Ma can teach our students about the limits of democracy and evils of "capitalism" Chinese style.

They could solve our "minority problem" for sure in a generation.

December 19, 2007 6:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard that although the Chinese and Ma feel superior in their cultural ancestry, they ARE in fact "envious of the courage Zuma has."

Their leaders are drafting a formal invitation to Zuma, matt and hunt to appear before the Central Committee in KKK gear, tribal masks and Fulon Gong robes and anti-government slurs so that the Chinese will master the true, fine western art of democracy.

They are putting it into calligraphy so it may take some time, since after Mao so few recall the old, refined ways. Gents such as these deserve the very finest.

December 19, 2007 6:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymous said...
You can change your name, but it makes no difference. Your actions and comments are not necessary and should be removed.


O PLEASE...GET A GRIP. ZUMA IS A YOUNG PERSON OF GENIUS, IN WANT OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND PATRONAGE. IT "MAY BE THAT ZUMA DOGG IS A GENIUS; BUT IN THAT CASE I HAVE NOT YET LEARNED HIS SPECIAL LINE. HE RETRIEVES AN INSIGNIFICANT APPEARANCE BY A DISTINGUISHED MANNER. HIS REPUTATION OF STIRRING THE POT HANGS ABOUT HIM LIKE THE CLOUDY ENVELOPE OF A GOD IN AN EPIC."

You are still an asshole, annoying and with no redeeming merit.

December 19, 2007 8:07 PM  

Blogger Santiago said:

Anonymous said...
Oops -- Zuma is careful to point out he's the only one to include LAUSD and the Supes in his sights: even he has his standards, and sets himself well above matt and hunt in dignity and decorum.

December 19, 2007 6:23 PM

THE BILLY CARTER DECORUM AWARD. NEED WE SAY MORE?

December 19, 2007 10:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey! Isn't it almost the one year anniversary of Huizar's trip to Florida for the Super Bowl?

Maybe it's almost time to pick up some more money for everyone.

What ever happened with that trip? What ever happened to that money?
So much more to follow up on. Thanks for reminding us.

I think Huizar and his associates will be glad you reminded us.

Thanks Mr. Sanchez.

December 19, 2007 11:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Can someone have a decent thread around here without bringing in that fool ZD?

This is what he has brought to this blog; a complete breakdown of anything remotely like a civilized discussion of one issue.

Everything breaks down to a discussion of those three jobless assholes.

I hope you are happy, Higby.

December 20, 2007 12:08 AM  

Anonymous anvil said:

You're welcome, Jim.

December 20, 2007 1:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You know Santiago, when I heard that joke about tears curing cancer, it was about Chuck Norris.

December 20, 2007 1:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"But, I will live in Pasadena, I love to be able to go to the Westside all the time. But I don’t think that freedom is healthy."

Sounds like a future LA mayor.

December 20, 2007 6:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh hell no! USC down the drain!

December 20, 2007 7:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Of course, Ma is right in his assessment. China is totalitarian. We're quickly moving in that direction. Those at the top wish that the US was totalitarian, like China. Obviously, China is a controlled, very densely populated society. Developer decision-makers, nationally and here in Los Angeles, want the same. It is their wish to change the mechanisms to make it so.

But, Mexican organized crime is entrenched here and will make the city a cesspool for all but most, like the gate-community residents. Crime is rampant. An attempt is made to change reality into an image. They are decision-makers living in their own fantasy world. They control the major press so that the fantasy image is promulgated.

December 20, 2007 9:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Holy crap!!!

Now we have the Chinese trying to turn us into a billion population. Christ...he wants to import Asians to teach us about culture! WTF!!!!

I have been to China many times and I am always so happy to return home. Imagine if there was no home to return to!!!!

I'm sorry...but NO ONE is going to take away my constitutional rights to own property and arms to protect that property!

Get the hell out of my country and get the hell out of our lives! We have enough problems with the Mexican third worlding of LA!!!

December 20, 2007 9:31 AM  

Anonymous moderator dogg said:

5:08 pm,

Shove it! You know that crap isn't staying up. Now go blow a gasket and have another hissy fit. But you better speak with your boss first. He may advise you to chill. Anyway, go fuck yourself. That crap ain't staying no matter how many times you try posting it.

(Somehow, this genius tied USC development into ZD and Matt Dowd and a certain costume???)

Bro, a little bit of a stretch. Nice myspace profile, by the way.

(He only tried it once!)

December 20, 2007 5:18 PM  

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