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Saturday, October 25, 2008

"Just a regular (terrorist) guy" in Obama's neighborhood

Just your local terrorist who says he wishes he did more, and whose wife was on the FBI's Top 10.

Or as Osama Hussein bin Biden calls him, "just a guy in the neighborhood." Like the fun loving KKK guys, right Barry?

Maybe the Obamas can have Mr. & Mrs. Bill Terrorist over with the Israel hating Farrakans for drinks & dinner.

Not gonna find terrorists on the McCain's guest list.

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Ayers are only free because the prosecution screwed up and dropped the charges.

They should raid the Ayers home and sweep it for mustard gas.

October 25, 2008 4:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Those of you too young to recall the Weatherman faction aren't aware that during that period they were viewed as heroes and right-thinking zealots by a vast majority of activists.

All their attacks were against Selective Service offices, Induction depots or the like.

It's understood that your knee jerk reaction to Ayers is cojoined with the political season coupled with the fear dynamic that has been a main tool in the Bush Admins. arsenal.

It's only fitting that a munchkin like Haikula, an obvious shill for the current tail dragging repubs should be the mouthpiece to beat this old horse to a pulp.

She obviously lacks any shred of integrity when she does her little wiggle dance for all us dum-dums.

October 25, 2008 6:14 PM  

Blogger haikula said:


Munchkin? Yes, at 5'7" I'm a veritable munchkin.

As for you, if you feel that setting bombs, for example, at the home of a judge, why not use your real not as I use mine?

If you feel that setting bombs at the U.S.Capitol is okay, maybe you should share that thought with the Secret Service?

Hmmm? Planting bombs is okay with you?

Before you try to suggest that "in the day" it was okay, do you also feel that it is okay to have owned slaves simply because it was okay "in the day"?

If Obama agreed with you, he would say so now, wouldn't he? Do you think he's going to say that on Meet the Press?

Hmmm? Do tell

Oh, and if anyone is a munchkin, it's you for having a small mind to think that bombing is okay, you know, since YOU say that "in the day" it was okay.

It wasn't.

October 25, 2008 6:35 PM  

Blogger Jack Hoff said:

Obviously, someone has forgotten about Kent State...

October 25, 2008 6:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is Ayers running for president or vice-president?

Haikula pull your underwear out of your crack, you seem to have your undies in a bunch again.

Don't forget Obama Hussein is a baby killer and arab terrorist who will bomb Israel and have Osama Bin Laden as Chief of Arab Terrorist and Ayers as Chief of Domestic Terrorists and Rev. Wright as Chief Anglo killer.

Run Haikula run, the Obama terrorists are going to bomb you and the FatBoy.

October 25, 2008 6:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Not gonna find terrorists on the McCain's guest list."

Wait...how many of the 9/11hijackers were our "friends" the Saudis? The Saudis would never fund terrorism. No, never.

McCain has gladly taken plenty of THEIR money, and indeed their names have shown up on more than one McCain "guest list."

And Jordan? Kuwait? Egypt? UAE? ISRAEL?? More of our terrorist "friends" - don't even get me started.

October 25, 2008 6:52 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Hold the phone here -

You make it sound like the Ayers was a hero like Martin Luther King or Bobby Kennedy.

The truth is that Ayers was (and probably still is) a domestic terrorist on the order of Timothy McVeigh.

The Weather Underground was the result of a split in the radical youth movements of the 60s (in this case the Students for a Democratic Society) in which one side (including Tom Hayden) decided to follow the path of non-violent resistance (as espoused by Martin Luther King and Gandhi for example) and those who sought to seek change through violent means, such as Obama mentors Ayers and his wife Bernandine Dorhn (who co-wrote the Weather Underground's violent manifesto that was distibuted at SDS' 1969 Chicago convention and partially responsible for the organization's schism).

Far from bombing Selective Service offices (as if that's okay according to 6:14 p.m.) the WU first bombed a statue in Chicago, a blast that broke hundreds of nearby windows and threw debris onto the nearby expressway. They threw molotov cocktails at the home of a judge. They blew up a townhouse and killed several of their own members in Greenwich Village. In addition they bombed police cars in Chicago and San Francisco, a police station in San Francisco, a professor's office in Boston, the offices of the US Department of Health, Education and Welfare, the office of the California Attorney General, several offices of various US corporations and the Pentagon.

Quite frankly the WU would have probably bombed more than that had not the FBI on a few occasions got to them first and found their bomb making factories before the radicals could wage a larger campaign of terror. In the case of the Greenwich Village explosion, police investigators said that WU had enough TNT to "level the neighborhood."

All of that being said, I believe it's folly to say that Obama shares Ayers' complete ideology nor would condone his violent past. The bigger issue is that 1) Obama doesn't see Ayers as outside the mainstream and, the larger concern, 2) Obama lied about his connections with Ayers.

Trying to whitewash Ayers' history is significantly intellectually dishonest. Anyone considering Barack Obama's character should think twice.

October 25, 2008 6:59 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Good point Jack Hoff Kent State was a tragic event.

And if John McCain happened to be buddies with one of the high level police officers or other officials who gave the order to shoot Democrats would be all over it - especially if McCain didn't condemn that guy or lied about it.

That's the point.

October 25, 2008 7:04 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

Ayers = Bomber
Ayers = Host of Obama Fundraiser
Ayers = Board Colleague of Obama
Obama = Very bad judgement

October 25, 2008 7:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How did Ayers getr his tenured professorship? Anybody check to see who got paid off???

October 25, 2008 7:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

October 25, 2008 7:18 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

Hello 7:18 pm,

So gutless to put your name with your words.

So, I have deleted you. Plus, I will continue to do so. Try again. I'll laugh and even do it from my cellular!

October 25, 2008 7:38 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

See 7:18pm? You are no match for me! I can dump you any time I see fit.

Byeee sweetie! Please, let me do it again.

October 25, 2008 7:40 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

Hi 6:14pm,

I still haven't heard from you on whether you feel it was okay to bomb Selective Service offices.

Was Ayers doing that okay with you? Please, don't be shy. Tell us who you are if you feel it was okay. Come on baby. Nothing wrong with that, right?

October 25, 2008 7:43 PM  

Blogger Jack Hoff said:

Michael, I agree with you that in order to understand history, we have to relate to it in context. As with Kent State, our government was opening fire on our own people. Black Panther leaders Hampton and Clark were murdered in their own beds by Chicago police. The war that LBJ escalated and then lied to the public about continued with the My Lai Massacre and other such war atrocities later being revealed. In the name of stopping Communism, U.S. military advisors were killing children and women in Southeast Asia and we watched footage of it during the nightly news. The Weathermen targeted government buildings, not people. The only people they killed were their own and that was by accident. At that time, there was plenty of rioting, bombing and burning to go around from all sides. Given that the U.S. was bombing Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, in context, the Weather Underground bombing empty buildings during off hours was not a source of fear here in Los Angeles -- and not comparable to McVeigh's horrific act. Now, if you want to talk about fear/terrorism and the Manson Family, the SLA, even Richard Ramirez, be my guest. It would be harder to tie them to Obama, but you can give it a shot!

October 25, 2008 8:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jack, if someone dies in the commission of a felony, it's murder.

Bombing, my friend, is a felony. As is co-conspiracy.

Ipso facto, Obama had his first fundraiser in the home of a murderer, and sat on a Board with a murderer.

October 25, 2008 8:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Incorrect: the Weather Underground bombed the home of a federal judge.

Not a public building, which was bad enough. But the HOME of a judge.

And when they bombed (or is it attempted?) to bomb the Capitol, they would have had security guards in there. Do you feel comfortable in saying that they cleared the Capitol of the security guards?

October 25, 2008 8:17 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Jack - before I say anything in response to your post I do not claim that Barack Obama is a terrorist nor that he condones Ayers' act.

However irrespective of the US' illegal actions (and that's a whole other debate) in SE Asia there's no justification for WU's bombing. It doesn't matter what their intentions were they could have very easily injured and killed people. There is no way to square what Ayers did.

That being said, again Obama was 8-9-10 years old at the time and he wasn't doing the bombing. However he knew Ayers' background and made a faustian deal with him. Then, he lied about it. That's the main issue.

It would be no different if McCain had a long-standing relationship with Randall Terry and lied about it.

October 25, 2008 8:31 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

By the way, wasn't LBJ a Democrat? And wasn't it the Republicans who ended the Vietnam War?

October 25, 2008 8:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jack is wrong! The home of a judge is not a public building! This fact blows an Ayers' sized bomb blast in his story.

October 25, 2008 8:38 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

The name of the judge whose home Ayers bombed was John Murtagh.

So much for Bill Ayers & friends targeting "only public buildings."

Tell that to the Murtagh children, Jack.

October 25, 2008 8:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"However irrespective of the US' illegal actions (and that's a whole other debate) in SE Asia there's no justification for WU's bombing."

Have to respectfully disagree with that as the US illegal actions in SE Asia were solely the justification for the Weather Underground bombings. They disbanded after the fall of Saigon. They had nothing to protest.

As to the "Faustian deal," the implication is that Obama traded his soul to Ayers/Satan for what, exactly?

Not your strongest point for an already weak argument.

October 25, 2008 9:20 PM  

Blogger Jack Hoff said:

I have to agree with 9:20!

October 25, 2008 9:50 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

So do you and Jack Hoff believe that if we don't agree with government policy/actions we can set off bombs? When Obama is President if he implements a tax policy it's justified for me to bomb something?

And its been made clear that Obama "sold his soul" to Ayers. At the very least in describing their relationship, in seeking to gain a political career in Chicago, Obama had to do business with Ayers (among others). Even if Obama was of the complete mind that Ayers was a jackball, he associated himself with Ayers in order to gain something.

It certainly is not uncommon in politics to do so. Barack did the same with Emil Jones, Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, etc.

October 25, 2008 10:38 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

Jack, what is your response to the fact that Ayers bombed a judge's house, and that (contrary to your point), that is not a public building? Not that any bombing is acceptable.

October 25, 2008 10:40 PM  

Blogger Jack Hoff said:

"So do you and Jack Hoff believe that if we don't agree with government policy/actions we can set off bombs?"

Just because something is put into historical context doesn't mean I agree with it. If I study insects, does that mean I'm a cockroach?

"When Obama is President if he implements a tax policy it's justified for me to bomb something?"

At least we'll know who to look for, won't we?

Michael, on your third paragraph, you answered your second paragraph, so just take that as my argument and move on from there.

When one sells one's soul to the devil, it's an all-in proposition. Still a bit of a stretch to propose that all Chicago/Illinois politics goes through the livingroom of Ayers...

October 25, 2008 11:05 PM  

Blogger haikula said:

Note how Jack isn't responding to the challenge to his assertion that Ayers only bombed public buildings (as though that was okay).

Jack wrote "The Weathermen targeted government buildings, not people."

Purely untrue, Jack. Makes me wonder what else you state as fact, that isn't. I don't mind an opinion, but this is factual. It's in any newspaper archive to check.

October 26, 2008 12:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why aren't you bringing up Keating and the other pals of McCain Gordon Liddy????? IF you're going to accuse Obama of this shit guilt by association then McCain is even more guilty.

October 26, 2008 7:11 AM  

Blogger haikula said:

Because I place violence at the top of the list of crimes. Crime is bad. Violent crime is worse.

And, Keating and the others have repented for their crimes. Ayers has not only not repented, he says he wishes he did more.

As for Keating, et al, I'm too busy responding to your silly comments that don't recognize the difference.

And with all of the silly Saturday Night Live posts, I don't think you could handle the discourse.

Glad to see you're up at 7:11am having a meltdown. You obviously had a bad night and woke up on fire.

October 26, 2008 10:39 AM  

Blogger Rita Of Sunland/Wally Wharton said:

Miss Haikula, Michael--- Don't let the bitter, tired old 60's radicals get you down. Poor things. They're merely outdated, scatter-brained ex-hippies pontificating atop a saggy old granola box with a recycled paper bag over their anonymous balding heads.

October 26, 2008 12:23 PM  

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