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Friday, August 29, 2008

It's Palin!

Boy talk about a way to upstage Barack Obama after his big night.

I can't wait to hear what the dum dums have to say who spent oh so many months telling me that McCain would NEVER pick Sarah and that I was off my rocker for even suggesting it.

I have to say even I was stunned he actually did it, but an excellent choice. The Obama bin Biden spinners speaking on the cable shows look like deers in the headlights.

Game on kids!

Mega-props to the scrappy bloggers at Draft Sarah Palin for President who have spent more than the last year driving this choice. They deserve everything coming their way. Can you say White House job?

Interesting too that some of the CNN reporters don't know who she is, wonder how did John McCain learn about her, etc. Must not have been paying attention to the blogs. Press release journalism at it's finest.

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52 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Drudge is getting lazy

CNN and MSNBC has this on their web sites before he did,.

August 29, 2008 8:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WOO-HOO !!!!!! Sarah Palin is a super-duper choice. I am so thrilled and my email account is loaded with other very enthusiastic (R) and (D) folks.

August 29, 2008 8:52 AM  

Blogger Aviation Fan said:

Those who think that Palin does not have foreign policy experience should think again- Alaska borders Canada. Alaska tourism is dependent upon cruise ships that sail to and from Vancouver, Canada.

Anchorage Airport is a major hub for air cargo from all over the world. Anchorage's strategic position makes it an ideal stop over point for air traffic between Europe and Asia. Both FedEx and UPS use Anchorage as a hub for shipments between the "lower 48" U.S. states and Asia.

Yes, and let's not forget about the Russians just across the Bering Sea.

August 29, 2008 9:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I guess experience isn't really all that important anyway.

August 29, 2008 9:39 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FREIGHT DOGS LOVE SARAH!!!!

August 29, 2008 10:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stupid Draft Palin for VP bloggers think they had something to do with it. Gawd give me a break.

August 29, 2008 10:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow!!!

I would love to see Sarah on the top of the ticket..talk about "CHANGE"! She's terrific!!!

And she didn't spend 20 years sitting in Rev. Wright's church, or running around with Bill Ayers!

She has a 4 mo. old baby with Down's Syndrome, and didn't let the doctors abort it in the third trimester!

And I'll bet if she had a brother living in a hut in Kenya...she would have helped him to have a better life!

Screw Obama!!!!

August 29, 2008 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Michael Palin is an excellent choice. He will bring humour and creativity to the otherwise stoggy campaign style of McCain. And he will help with the British vote which has always been undervalued.

August 29, 2008 10:36 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

For a woman with the nickname of "Barracuda" its going to be fun debating with the male democrats wouldnt couldnt choose a woman.

August 29, 2008 11:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And here we were thinking that the DEMOCRATS were about change.

The only way that McCain could have done better is with Condoleeza.

Sarah is so good looking, and fresh, but with executive experience. And here's the kicker friends: she has more executive experience than Biden and Obama COMBINED!

August 29, 2008 11:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh, I just can't wait for the vice-presidential debates.

August 29, 2008 11:19 AM  

Anonymous Charlotte Laws said:

McCain has now made it clear he will run on his maverick credentials. He tossed the right-wing Republicans the lifeboat they wanted: a pro-life running mate; then, in so many words, asked them to leave him alone and let him go back to being an independent and non-partisan.

The McCain of 2000 has re-emerged. He will run on a ticket of change. His credentials for shaking up Washington and upsetting the status quo overshadow those of Obama.

Palin may or may not draw Hillary Clinton voters, but I surmise that this was not McCain’s primary goal. Although he wanted to appeal to women voters, his real goal was to appeal to Independents and Reagan Democrats. Notice how he spoke about eliminating government waste, toppling special interests, bringing ethics and reform to government and helping struggling Americans?

Does Palin have the experience to be commander in chief? I personally don't think so, but I believe that the selection of Senator Joe Lieberman as Secretary of State would silence those fears.

Charlotte Laws

August 29, 2008 11:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

At she would be a vice-president who should be able to aim her shotgun better than Cheney.

August 29, 2008 11:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

PLLLLEEEAASSEEE. This woman has been in office ONE YEAR. She already under investigation and heaven help us if anything happened to McCain cause this bimbo would be president. Are you people crazy????

August 29, 2008 11:25 AM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

The Draft Palin bloggers had EVERYTHING to do with it.

They got the ball rolling and pushed and pushed and pushed. All of the initial media coverage on her months ago was about the bloggers and websites pushing her. That's what kicked it up to the chat shows on cable that got the pundits like Bennett, Kristol, Gingrich, etc. starting to talk about her.

Dumbass. The drive by media is on borrowed time. Even Obama knows that.

August 29, 2008 11:39 AM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

That's true, she is a better shot that Cheney's Dick.

August 29, 2008 11:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh damn, the Dems' heads are going to explode.

They'll have to be viciously brutal to Palin, an idealistic, reform-minded, Christian "hockey mom" from a working class background, with a union worker husband -- and that will backfire on them in MAJOR ways, with so many elements of the voting public.

Progressives/liberals can't help it -- they are always two decades behind their own hypocritical rhetoric.

I, a middle-class white person of conservative bent, seriously voted -- as a REPUBLICAN -- for a BLACK man for president in the Calfornia primary EIGHT YEARS AGOo, because (and, write this down Dems), he was on the RIGHT side of important issues in American at the time -- NOT because of his SKIN color.

This year I will proudly vote for a FEMALE vice presidential candidate, because she is also on the RIGHT side of today's key issues -- NOT because of her GENDER.

And, so I've been waiting around for YEARS now, liberal Dems . . . are you EVER going to catch up to the "racist, sexist" Republicans in terms of judging people by the content of their character (didn't MLK, Jr. say something about that?)?

Or are you just going to keep whining about "it's time" for this race or gender to be in a particular position. (For a local example, I give you Antonio Villaraigosa - today's embarrassing, underachieving Latino mayor . . . simply because it was "time" for a Latino, not because he was qualified)

If you can ever just learn to concentrate on the PERSON (and not their appearance), you may finally get up to speed with us "bigots" someday.

August 29, 2008 12:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow look at these classy intelligent libs calling Palin a bimbo!!

August 29, 2008 12:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Best oxymoron of the day . . .

classy intelligent libs

August 29, 2008 12:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hillary's voters may have put "18 million cracks" in the political glass ceiling, Michelle O.

But it took one maverick (male) Republican to actually break it.

Now that's some f-ing power to make CHANGE -- 18,000,000 to 1.

(Maybe it there hadn't been all those "enlightened" Democrat males -- of all races and ages, and including your husband --standing on top of the glass ceiling, frantically re-glazing, resealing, and duct-taping it every time it looked like it might give way and let a Dem female through, and saying "sorry, she JUST isn't the right one to slide through THIS time," or "TOO BAD, this one has too much 'baggage' to help us win," then it could have broken sooner?)

(Here's another M.L. King, Jr. concept that the people waving his mantle around this week in Denver might try to recall . . .)

"delayed = DENIED"

August 29, 2008 12:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hmmm, wasn't it also the GOP that named the first African American to a major cabinet post -- Secretary of State (and not some repeated, color-coded back-bench spots like HEW).

What's up with that?

August 29, 2008 12:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think everyone is overplaying the effect of the vice-president on much of anything. Those who supported Hillary did so not so much because she was a woman, but because of the things she believes in, which are exactly opposite of what Hillary believes in.

Pretty much the VP candidate has a more important role than the elected VP.

Presidents determine the strategies of the campaign and the course of the White House once elected. Vice presidents have an insignificant role in anything.

August 29, 2008 12:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Read between the lines of the shrill, pained democratic harangues against Palin's "youth and inexperience" and her being the backup to an older guy in the White House:

"CRAP, if they win, and he does die -- the republicans not only will have put the first woman president in office in American history, and shown us up bigtime, but we'll also have a president who's even more conservative than McCain."

It's a two-fer nightmare. Their fear and paranoia is palpable.

McCheckmate, John. You obviously "read their damn book!"

August 29, 2008 12:38 PM  

Anonymous Charlotte Laws said:

The only thing that really bothers me about Palin (so far) is her abysmal record on animal issues. I think McCain needs to set some pro-animal policy or risk losing these voters. Cindy McCain has shown compassion on animal issues; a long conversation with her would be a start.

August 29, 2008 12:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I thought of MS the minute I heard it this morning.

Now I would never vote for McCain under any circumstances, but I think he did it as a desperate move to try and fill the Hillary-void that many of us smart and well-spoken (shove your silly oxymoron up your butt) Dems are feeling right now. Smart move on his part, but I still don't think it will help him. I was hoping for Lieberman because there are very few Dems who would ever vote for him. He's hated by the Dems more than anyone. So had he chosen him, Obama and Biden would have sailed through. Now they'll have to struggle, even though they'll win. Everyone knows she wasn't McCain's top choice and his team chose her for strategic reasons and yes to the MS haters, there was pressure from blogs and denying that proves you are living in the past. Good call Higby. Imagine if he had chosen Romney. Two old white men. Thanks, but no thanks even if I were to consider voting Rep, which will never happen. The women I know aren't silly enough to vote for McCain because of a woman VP. The number one issue for the Reps was that the VP be pro-life. That is the saddest thing I've heard.

Obama on the other hand made the worst possible choice. I guess he felt he needed the white guy to balance the duo and any woman other than Hillary would have just alienated everyone. I suppose the Dem VP-choosing team thought he was the safest choice.

So we're off...

Off to a hard campaign for a few months until we elect the first black president of the US. And you can take that to the bank.

August 29, 2008 1:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What is up with Joe Malander?

He says that the Mayor of San Jose got more votes in the SJ election than Palin got in her Gubernatorial win.

Does Joe know the population of San Jose is about 50% more than Alaska and this makes her getting just 3,000 fewer votes a very impressive win? He proved himself wrong!

Why would Joe even consider comparing these apples & oranges?

This shows just how upset & threatened some people are at McCain's brilliant choice for veep.

They wish, oh, how they wish, that Obama did it.

But not nearly as much as they're going to wish he chose Hillary come November and on Inauguration Day.

August 29, 2008 1:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Palin was a beauty queen contestant for chris sakes!

McCain thinks selecting a woman will get those Hillary votes. what a bad call. The Hillary supprters will never support an anti-Choice candidate. Makes me doubt his judgement.

And with McCain running at age 71, puh-leaze don't try and tell me this chick is ready for the 3 am call. McCain just threw out his whole "ready to lead?" weapon against Obama. What's he got now?

An ex-small town mayor who is being investgated for using her office to get her brother-in-law fired? That trial will be playing out simultaneously with the Senator's trial all the way thru November. She is already linked thru donations to that case - the Dems will tie her into the corruption case.

McCain should have picked Romney.

He just threw away the election...

August 29, 2008 1:48 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Expect some of the left wing editorial cartoonists like Ted Rall or Michael Ramirez to have cartoons of Palin sitting on McCain's lap or under his desk.

Hypocrites.

August 29, 2008 1:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Palin's no bimbo. But she's not even on the same playing field with Obama intellectually or in maturity. And I am a disappointed Hillary supporter. If the Republicans had pulled out a strong, viable woman candidate for veep, this is one hard core Democrat who would have had to do some soul searching not to vote for her.

August 29, 2008 1:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh stop. There's nothing new about McCain. He's voted with Bush 97% of the time. He is one of the few Republicans who served in the military and for that he gets props. But he is the same old same old and that has to change.

August 29, 2008 2:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:36

I'd bet someone a week's salary one-third of the Hillary supporters couldn't tell you WHAT Hillary "believes in" other than -- well, Hillary.

The same was true for Bill Clinton. He spent 8 years in office checking the polls daily in order to decide what he "believed" in that week. He "believed" in staying popular and in power.

Oh, and he believed he'd have just ONE more B-J.

August 29, 2008 2:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:18

(shove your silly oxymoron up your butt)

Yeah, THAT was classy. What ever was I thinking suggesting liberals aren't 100% class.

Geez, you don't even have to work hard. They may not like guns, but they sure know how to shoot themselves in the foot every four years.

Bore-Gore, millionaire Kerry (from a party that was supposed to be "for" the poor), and now Obama's incredibly transparent admission that he is NOT qualified to be the top of the ticket -- his pandering to criticism naming of old, establishment "mentor" Joe Biden as his VP. And that old bureaucrat is going to help him "change" the D.C. Biden's been at the core of since Obama was in grammar school.

Thanks for the dance, Dems. It was very considerate of you, and oh-so typical, to step on your OWN feet the whole time, and save us the trouble.

August 29, 2008 2:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Prior to today, Sarah Palin had never spoken publically about Israel."

August 29, 2008 2:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:48

Yeah, and Reagan was just an "actor" who kicked entrenched Democrats out of the CA governors mansion - twice, and the White House - twice.

And, then, he brought down the Iron Curtain.

Does anyone actually read what the liberals are writing, almost in back-to-back sentences:

"We're going to CHANGE Washington.

"How DARE you bring an outsider with no national experience into the picture."

What is Obama going to "change" government with -- all the dinosaurs that spoke up for him this week -- Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, Pete Domenici, and (dare I say it) Robert "Pork Barrel" Byrd himself?

Hell, they INVENTED the D.C. as it exists today. They'll change it over Obama's dead O-body.

August 29, 2008 3:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Damn, I ran out and bought a new GOP ticket T-shirt from one of those instant roadside memorabilia stands just now, and I think I got snookered.

Instead of "McCain/Palin" it says "McClane/Palin" and has pictures of Bruce Willis's character from the "Die Hard" movies and that guy from Monty Python -- standing in front of a orange, white, and green American flag.

Do you think either of them might run for office some day? Maybe I'll hange on to it as a collector's item.

August 29, 2008 3:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It had to happen. Somebody bought and held a "VPILF.com" site and has now populated it with Palin news.

Sounds like something Democratic tricksters would do to denigrate the selection.

Because (as you know), attractive women should NEVER be taken seriously. Liberals don't even take old broads seriously, right Hillary?

August 29, 2008 3:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

A gun toting MILF hottie or a hair plugged pompous blowhard? Now that is "Change" I can believe in.

MS, you called it-Mega Props. This will drive the Hillary supporting Yentas over to the "dark side".

MS, take the day off. You obviously know what you are doing.

August 29, 2008 3:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why not choose Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii as a GOP V.P. candidate? She was born in Missouri, raised in California and has brought integrity back to the Hawaii State Capitol. Before she was Gov., she had been Mayor of Maui County. Many parallels with Palin. Who doesn't love Hawaii? Aloha!

August 29, 2008 3:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Never spoken about Israel?

She's the governor of ALASKA, for crying out loud. Is she supposed to have a distinct, publicly stated foreign policy? Is her state supposed to have one? Is there an Alaskan embassy in Tel Aviv now that's sitting empty?

Last I checked, governors were supposed to run their states, and let the federal government deal with international relations.

And, what exactly is Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' (and her state of Kansas's) "position" on the state of Israel?

Before Bill Clinton ran for president, when he was still governor or a small, backward state (that still performed like a 3rd world country after he was in office for several terms), did he have a foreign policy platform? Did Arkansas?

(And, 1992 Arkansas made present-day Alaska look like Bel Air).

By the way, how old was Clinton when he announced for the presidency? Anyone??

One year older than Palin.

How much "foreign policy" experience did he have? None - and he was NOT the VP candidate that year, he was the PRESIDENTIAL candidate.

The liberal hypocrisy is just oozing out of every crevice in their cracked (but permanent), glass ceiling.

I KNOW, I KNOW. You're gonna say, "she's no Bill Clinton."

Yep, you're right. She can probably keep her pants, and stick to business.

August 29, 2008 3:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

1:57

OH, please. Cry me a river.

You can say all day "if it was some other woman, I'd vote for her" and it's just so much poppycock.

Any woman McCain selected was most likely going to be very conservative and pro-life.

And the Hillary supporters who actually did support her for her beliefs (which are nearly identical to Obama's -- strange!), would NEVER vote for a woman with the political views of someone like a Palin, regardless of her age or experience.

August 29, 2008 3:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why isn't Palin taking time off to spend with her infant child?

What kind of mother goes back to work 3 days after giving birth?

What emotionally crippled woman would do that?

August 29, 2008 5:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

McSame chose Palin because all the viable GOP white guys turned him down.
If he wins, the old fool is likely to drop dead and leave us this small-town mayor, rookie governor as President.
But the choice of Palin says McSame doesn't think he can win.

August 29, 2008 6:45 PM  

Anonymous nofERblvd said:


Turds,

First, let's give some credit where credit is due. Higby predicted and encouraged the ascent of Ms. Palin. A long time ago. He beat all the TV pundits to it by a wide margin.

Second, did anyone watch TV today? It was HILARIOUS hearing all the older, liberal, female, pantsuit-wearing commentators try to find stuff wrong with Palin. It was like, they were just SOOOO upset that (a) she is young; (b) she is pretty; and (c) a Republican chose her.

Third, let's talk strategy dum-dums:

Statements:

"Obama is for change."

Palin is an outsider.

"Obama's election would be historic."

Palin's election would be historic.

"Palin is inexperienced."

She's been in major elected office as long as Obama.

"Palin looks so young next to McCain."

McCain is old, and guess what, seniors vote. Keep insulting them. Anyone remember Ronald Reagan?

"Bush won by capturing a portion of the Hispanic vote."

Palin is Roman-Catholic.

Hmm....

It's looking like a pretty wise choice to me.

That sound you're hearing?

The wind coming out of the sails...

P.S. If Dems continue to hit Palin on her inexperience, Reps NEED to counter by comparing her to Obama. Difference: one seeks to be C-I-C. Higby, you might need to tell them this too!

August 29, 2008 7:13 PM  

Anonymous nofERblvd said:



Oh yeah,

I almost forgot...

Palin WILL garner a portion of the women's vote. You try telling middle-Americans that a hunting, humble, wife of a union-man, not-too-wealthy, kids-juggling woman isn't smart or together.

They'll key your four-wheel drive and write a country song about it.

But you know what, McCain might have been going for and received some of the young MALE vote with this choice.

August 29, 2008 7:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:01 Nobody is going to attack Palin. There is no value in attacking VP candidates. But it is interesting to see those who are more excited about Palin than McCain.

It simply doesn't matter what Palin's position is on animal issues. Hell, she kills them and is proud of it, but it's more important what McCain's position is. Given that he picked a hunter as a running mate, I guess we know the answer to that.

3:05. Sarah Palin is no Ronald Reagan.

August 29, 2008 7:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wish we could have a male or female a** kickin reformer Governor for California.
Ending specialists, wasteful spending, etc... To Dream the IMPOSSIBLE DREAM.

If the VP thing doesn't work out Palin and her family could come to California. She would fit in quite well.

Palin carries a gun, so does everybody else in Los Angeles.
Just ask Jamiel Shaw's family.

With the family's good looks, they could be in pictures, like Obama.

She may have given preferential treatment to a brother in law, ...what's new, we have the L.A.U.S.D, L.A. City Hall, amongst others as great examples of Cronyism.

People out there with the Obama camp,there something that is bothering me, please answer any questions about affiliations with a member or members the Weather Underground Organization.

(In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO), and members adopted fake identities and pursued covert activities. They carried out a campaign consisting of bombings, jailbreaks, and riots. Their attacks were mostly bombings of government buildings, along with several banks, police department headquarters and precincts, state and federal courthouses, and state prison administrative offices)

When I think about bombings on domestic soil by domestic terrorists, I think of Tim McVey and the American tragedy in Oklahoma City which I never thought I would see.

For the McCain camp, address the issue of special interests, and the 39 lobbyists you had or have working for you.
Can we believe you can really reform anything with all that special interest?

Please address the experience issue for your chosen VP candidate.

I have believed OBAMA's experience has always been an issue,what is the difference with your pick McCain?

Both parties, please answer what are you going to do in states like California that are run, not by city councils, but drug Cartels?

August 29, 2008 7:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm glad KRLA's Kevin James clarified what the investigation involving Palin was all about.
Im sure the story out there will soon get straightened out.

On one of the morning news...they got it wrong.

Only one person on TV this morning vocalized their observation on how many promises Barak Obama was making last night. Mark Kriski of Channel 5-KTLA news, said the only promise he didn't make was ______ & free breast implants.

Mark: Your classic in your own way, I know your probably trying to visualize the "Beer maiden and Barracuda" right now.

Your crazy, but I would miss the show without you.

August 29, 2008 10:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I thought this was the home of "LA politics???"

August 29, 2008 11:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

[many of us smart and well-spoken (shove your silly oxymoron up your butt) Dems are feeling right now.]

Oh I just knew one of you would comment on that "shove your oxymoron". That's the problem with most of you. You just don't get it. If it's okay for 12:11 to post it, it's begging for a response.

It's all of you Republicans who immediately bring up looks. How many Democrats have mentioned that Obama is hot? Or Michelle is hot? It's always about looks and it's not the Dems doing the blathering about that.

August 30, 2008 4:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:33

Clinton received degrees from the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown, became a Rhodes Scholar to Oxford (that's in England), and then went on to Yale Law School...

His political career include being an intern for a US Senator, Arkansas Attorney General, and then Governor of Arkansas at the age of 32, where he served as a Governor for 12 years. That is, in total, over 14 years of Executive experience of over 2 million people.

Palin on the other hand, received a B.S. from the University of Idado (whose mascot is the "Vandals") and is currently ranked as a "Tier 3 school" in the US News and World Reports. She has never gone on to post-graduate studies.

Palin has never spent any time working for the federal government. She became a City Councilmember for 4 years in a town of 6,000 people on a platform in support of a sales tax. She then went on to become Mayor of this same town for 6 years. She has been the Governor of Alaska (pop. 700K) for less than 2 years.

Now...which of those 2 is ready to lead a country? Which of those 2 was vetted before going to his convention?

Don't EVER try to compare Clinton to Palin. Maybe if Palin actually ran for President and won her party's nomination...but being McCrazy's pick as VP just makes her dumb as her DS son.

August 30, 2008 5:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So animal activist Charlotte Laws is throwing her lot in with the ticket that eats moose, shoots wolves from airplanes and actively fights attempts to save polar bears from dying because the polar ice cap is melting (I know, Sarah says it's not from human-caused global warming, so it must be from the bears' own farts or something).

Hush, hush, sweet Charlotte, lest you say anything else this stupid.

August 31, 2008 7:49 AM  

Anonymous Charlotte Laws said:

Actually I love McCain and have supported him for many years (I even worked on his 2000 campaign), but will not be voting the Republican ticket this Fall due to the Palin pick. It is reported that McCain's first choice was Joe Lieberman, but certain conservatives freaked out over that idea. It is a shame because Lieberman has a terrific record on animal issues, as does Joe Biden.

August 31, 2008 9:49 PM  

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