Open Thread for Saturday: Villaraigosa'sToilet to Tap Program
"Seven years after the death of a controversial plan to recycle sewage water into drinking water, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has resurrected the idea as one way Los Angeles could provide much-needed water to its growing population."
Discuss.
Discuss.
Labels: dwp, mayor antonio villaraigosa, toilet to tap
Posted by Michael Higby @ 5/17/2008 06:00:00 AM
24 Comments:
First Villaraigosa scrubs the poop out of the water, and now he is serving it up for iced tea?
I plugged this into a language translator, and it loosely (pardon the pun) is interpreted as:
En primer lugar Villaraigosa matorrales la caca fuera del agua, y ahora está al servicio de la unidad para su té helado?
Thank God! It's finally happened. A serious blog -RonKayeLA.com - written by an experienced pro discussing public affairs. No "go play on the freeway dum dums," or the other silly, illiterate shit - Zuma Dog, Red Spot - that dragged this site into the gutter. The stupid videos don't help. By the way, this subject was discussed at length two day's ago on Kaye's site. Given the fact he was the guy who actually coined the term "toilet to tap" a decade ago, it's definitely worth reading. Now when you jerks tell readers who complain to go elsewhere, they have a real alternative. Your 15 minutes lasted way too long.
Breaking News!!
Senator Edward Kennedy rushed to the hospital with possible stroke.
This according to CNN.
Every drop of water coming out of everyone's faucets is already recycled one way or another, so a lot of it is the product of Mother Nature's own version of "toilet to tap." Any "used water" that ends up in the ocean is part of what evaporates and ends up in the rainfall and snowfall that replenishes the natural water supply. Pretty simple, dum-dums.
The naive - no, make that IGNORANT - Nervous Nellies who decry water recycling for crass political purposes need to go read up on how the cycle of nature works before wasting everyone's time with their idiotic carping.
8:20,
Relax. Ron is good. His blog is good. No one said you had to read blogs you don't like. No one said you couldn't read Ron's blog. You sure come off hostile over the whole thing.
How about something like this:
Wow! I'm really glad Ron Kaye is now able to speak more independently on his new blog now that he is no longer a representative of Daily News. I remember when Ron coined the phrase "toilet to tap water" back in the day. Check out his latest comments.
This issue is like everything else in Los Angeles. We're playing catch up because of a lack of foresight. Our current politicos get blamed for everything. Maybe we're blaming the wrong group. Grey water infrastructure should have been put in place already. Not everywhere, but in every new development since our last major drought. It's the same thing with our current state of public transportation. It's the same with city planning. It's the same with our degraded power infrastructure. This stuff didn't happen overnight. It's been happening for the last 30 years. The sad reality is that once you get so far behind in a game, there is no catching up. That's where we are.
Water Cycle for $1,000,000,000??
Hey 9:17, these guys made a lot of enemies over the years pretending to be wise-ass pundits. Screw them. It all comes around.
9:13 AM:
Well, you beat me to it. 100% dead right. Thank you.
8:45 = Jimmy Blackman
9:13 = Jim Bickhart, after getting a call from Jimmy Blackman.
What's next? Villaraigosa himself? Oh, I forgot, he's still out with Hillary. Like all rats, he will soon jump ship. Just like he jumped ship on his family. And City Council.
Sorry to stay on topic, but did they change the greywater laws?
I thought greywater was illegal; or is that just for LA residents? LA county? I know there are strict regulations about using it, someone really needs to check the law (not that that has stopped Antonio before).
They use drinking water on landscaping, but we are supposed to drink toilet water? That's my city!
Also, off and on in the West Valley for the last few weeks the water has smelled like poop. The smell is obvious, even ice cubes stink! Are they doing some testing we don't know about???
Did I read somewhere that the 'toilet to tap' water does NOT apply to the Westside and coastal areas???
Pundits? Wise-ass pundits? Bloviators and fabricators is closer to truth.It's still speculation as to whether our world is blessed or cursed by this medium we frolic upon. Til the verdict arrives, Blog On Brave Bullshitters!!
But we're already ingesting hormones and drugs, from birth control pills that can have weird effects especially on men and kids, to Viagra and Valium and hard drugs, these are already found in our water supply as reported all over the news.
So how does that get into our water, unless we're already using toilet water for drinking water? We are, it will just get worse. anyone have details?
Other countries that do this have separate pipes for toilet/brown and drinking water -- agriculture uses 80% right there, then municipal and private golf courses, munipal parks and road medians, car washes, etc., should all use special pipes.
Then the 10% not for this won't have to gross us out and contain other people's drugs, and worse. IF they can't filter out Viagra, I'm sure they can't filter out the disgusting bacteria, etc. Which, yeah, our wonderful illegals bring to us in greater numbers.
Will mean a windfall to bottled water companies from outside L A, more plastic waste.
These pipes should have been laid WHEN the roads, golf courses etc. were done for the city, so DWP has been remiss and this didn't happen overnight. So lack of foresight isn't all MAV's fault, it's built into city gov't, DWP etc.
BUT Mayor telling us to do this so we can build 250,000 new units/year which will be mostly for more illegals in "affordable housing" utterly sucks. Screw them.
Why does this Mayor continue to make headline announcements that will ultimately damage Los Angeles as he clings to false hopes of a national political career?
Move to Los Angeles -- financially strapped and where the ice on a hot day is made from something that pooped out of someone else 24 hours ago!
That will help real estate.
The argument that "...every drop of water coming out of everyone's faucets is already recycled one way or another..." is "true", but very misleading. Seawater evaporating and producing rain is essentially a distillation process which does in fact produce clean water. That's what we've been drinking since the dawn of man and the removal of salts, etc. is why the ocean is salty. Amazing, huh?
Filtration does not remove the salts nor does it remove a lot of medical contaminants. Read the Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reclaimed_water
or do some research on your own. Further, they propose to spread it on the ground so that it gets "filtered" again to replace the local groundwater. It seems to me that it will only leave whatever contaminants that do get removed in the ground where they will eventually work their way down to the local water table, ultimately making whatever we have left in the way of groundwater non-potable and leave us even more dependent on "imported" water. It's just another "quick fix" so they can keep overbuilding at our expense.
I just had chili cheese fries.
I dare any of you in City Hall to drink the toilet water. C'mon, I double dog dare ya!
Unless someone can come up with real facts of how different cities in america who already have "toilet to tap" is unsafe, the arguments against it is just childish.
Anyway, LA is already drinking toilet to tap. Other states already dump their sewage into the Colorado river.
Strange that the news mentioned the mayor wanted recycled water but did not mention it is toilet water. Only those smart enough to know knew that he meant toilet water.
No one wants recycled toilet water and that is why no news reporter mentioned that in their story. A real reporter tells the facts.
Anyone who's been to Orange County in the last few years and drank tap water or water from a water fountain in all likelihood drank some so-called "toilet water." Did you live to tell about it? Did you live to post on this blog that you think it is a bad idea in L.A.?
Get over it.
1:47: Stop spinning and telling the voters they're not entitled to an opinion. You're not getting paid enough to make such a stupid suck-up of yourself on a regular basis, grow some cojones.
No, the O C isn't doing this AND they're not punishing citizens in order to build low-income high-rises for poor illegals, as this plan is intending to do (the expensive condos are required to go to all kinds of expensive and "green" and solar policies.)
Even the most tract-filled cities in the O C like Irvine, which may be boring to many, carefully protect the prop values of owners and put a HUGE priority on schools, with the understanding (typical of everywhere else in the country but L A) that people buy those homes as part of buying into COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMENSURATE TO THEIR TAX DOLLARS, not to bring in subsidized illegals.
Irvine has lots of Indians and Asians, it's not "white" at all. But the people share American values and the desire for how their neighborhoods should look, NOT the slums of Calcutta or the Philippines that they left behind.
And they don't expect handouts, they earn their lifestyles themselves. The Hispanics should learn from the Irvine minorities.
Guess again, 12:04 p.m. 5/17.
But really, what's it to you? You can't stand a little real news, or someone disagreeing with you? You think only a couple of Villa-garossa kiss-asses would ever dare to do that?
Guess again, indeed.
The Irvine minorities drink recycled water.
They said the Mayor Sam Blog was over but for Christ sake they're in the top 10!
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