How To Solve The Sunland Tujunga Underwear Problem
Apparently people in Sunland Tujunga don't have enough underwear in their wardrobe and they hate big hardware stores.
Home Depot has leased land in their area and is attempting to build a hardware store that according to community activists, every single person who lives in the community opposes.
Therefore as a free idea from the Mayor Sam Insitiute for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs we offer the following recommendation:
Joe Barrett and team should pool their funds together, create Community Underwear, LLC, buy the land and buy-out Home Depot's lease.
Then CU-LLC could immediately begin to build their underwear mall featuring the cafes they want to sit at and sip lattes while in their underwear.
Everyone would be happy.
Perhaps even SEIU and UFCW would be glad to contribute pension funds to the project.
Home Depot has leased land in their area and is attempting to build a hardware store that according to community activists, every single person who lives in the community opposes.
Therefore as a free idea from the Mayor Sam Insitiute for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs we offer the following recommendation:
Joe Barrett and team should pool their funds together, create Community Underwear, LLC, buy the land and buy-out Home Depot's lease.
Then CU-LLC could immediately begin to build their underwear mall featuring the cafes they want to sit at and sip lattes while in their underwear.
Everyone would be happy.
Perhaps even SEIU and UFCW would be glad to contribute pension funds to the project.
Labels: home depot, joe barrett, los angeles politics, SEIU, sunland-tujunga
Posted by Mayor Sam @ 12/05/2007 11:01:00 AM
72 Comments:
A really stupid post Mayor.
"BUTTHUGGERS R US"
The "NIMBY PROGRESSIVES" will want to call this a "UNDIES CO-OP". Think like REI, at the end of the year you will receive a "dividant check" for your past purchase of "Haines", "Fruit of the Looms", "Jockey", "Depends", "Diapers" and more.
Is Do-It Center OK with an underwear mall in S-T?
Completely off topic here, but I heard the local NC is running low on emergency supplies again.
"BUTTHUGGERS" made by Union labor.
Time to call in the ACLU (American Civvies, Lingerie, & Underwear)!
Nice to read your contribution of wit again Mr. Foster.
I rather thought you might enjoy it sir.
12:06, I don't think your second paragraph is off-topic at all. I rather think it's on-topic!
Joe like I told you in email, its just comedy. Chill out. Have some egg nog dude.
By the way if anyone can answer this question, has Wendy Greuel's office done anything with the Mayor's Business Team or CED to develop some kind of pitch to Target or whatever type of retail that is politically correct these days to entice them to come to ST?
If no one wants to come then what can we do about this underwear problem?
Being able to laugh at one self is a virtue of character. Did I "wrote" that O.K.?
As part of our truth-in-blogging and transparency project here at the Sister City, I figured I should disclose some things about this post a bit:
"Apparently people in Sunland Tujunga don't have enough underwear in their wardrobe and they hate big hardware stores."
This appears to be a true fact; one stated by multiple Sunland Tujunga residents.
"Home Depot has leased land in their area and is attempting to build a hardware store"
This fact is not in dispute
"that according to community activists, every single person who lives in the community opposes."
Home Depot would dispute this as may some of the activists (though they probably think it's true).
"Therefore as a free idea from the Mayor Sam Insitiute for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs"
Disclosure: There is no such entity, educational institution, organization or business known as the Mayor Sam Isitiute (or Institute) for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs."
"we offer the following recommendation:
Joe Barrett and team should pool their funds together, create Community Underwear, LLC, buy the land and buy-out Home Depot's lease."
This however is a real recommendation.
"Then CU-LLC could immediately begin to build"
Assuming adequate project funding and resources, if formed, CU-LLC could develop a real estate project
"their underwear mall featuring the cafes they want to sit at and sip lattes while in their underwear."
This presumes that the stakeholders of the proposed CU-LLC desires an underwear mall, wishes cafes to be built or to sip lattes in their underwear
"Everyone would be happy."
This is subjective and not necessarily a guaranteed outcome.
"Perhaps even SEIU and UFCW would be glad to contribute pension funds to the project."
This is pure speculation as to whether SEIU and/or UFCW even have pension funds and as to their willingness/ability to invest them in this proposed or any other project.
Your mileage may vary.
They can also incorporate the San Fernando Road site in Glasell Park. Gladly "Bradley will welcome this type of developement in his "Fieftom". They can also grant a "Living Wage" to the "UNDERGARMENT ASSOCIATES".
"No animals were harmed in the manufacture of this underwear." (or post)
Food for thought, if the "UNIES CO-OP" were to go corporate over time. Thus spreading their "BOX STORE BRAND" across the country. Would Joe B. lead the battle against "BIG BUTTHUGGERS"?
The new rule would require people to wear their underwear over their clothes, and to change underwear every half hour.
Commandant Jorge Bush,
General of the armies.
Will Mayor Villar be a spokesperson for the "UNDIES CO-OP"? After all he caught the attention of the "KENNEDY REPUBLICAN" on one of their Sacramento "SLEEPOVERS".
Did someone slip in a Alger reference?
Horatio?
Speaking of looking good in your underwear. Steve Lopez of the L.A. Times, oooops....L.A. Slimes is reporting on the biggest scandal to hit the city of Los Angeles in decades.
Yes I am talking about our own beloved Miss Los Angeles, Christina Silva losing her Miss California USA crown to Miss Dust-Bowl from Barstow. The outrage, the nerve of the judges who reversed their decison.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez5dec05,0,7678049.column?
This is the kind of hard hitting news the Blogging Burros can only dream about. I will personally donate undies to Miss Los Angeles, but only if I can see the fit.
Jim Alger with a "DO IT CENTER SPOON" in his mouth.
All kidding aside,
Home Depot is no laughing matter when it comes to our Community.
It's not about underwear and socks,
it's about a sleeper or Blanket for your Baby,It's about a lsrge Population of elderly with no where to purchase a pair of slippers or a coat. Not everyone has the benefit of purchasing basic necessities in their
Community. Before you all laugh,
drive by the site. Imagine yourself as a parent in the event of an Earthquake being held back by the Police because of chemical mixtures contaminating the air
that your child is breatining on the other side of the block.
There are only 2 ways in or out of the Community. This isn't about socks or underwear it's about Human Decency, The Right to a safe Environment, and the right to stand up for what you believe in.
2 school children have died at or near that intersection in car related accidents. I pity those
that only care about themselves
and the almighty Buck.
P.S. Zuma, if the only had a brain.
Since Mayor Sam already told us that the ladies of S-T are heavyset, it's better than having them all parade around in large-sized Victoria's Secret -- especially OVER clothing.
Now there's a scary thought.
The guys, on the other hand -- maybe some pink panties over their overalls as they're rounding up their horses and gettin' grits in Burbank might be the ticket.
3:23: No disrespect to your points.
But Sunset Blvd. from La Brea to Beverly Hills is right on an earthquake fault, and carries tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of people a day. Can you imagine that? And they keep building and building along that boulevard, where you already can't move most of the day.
People in the hills north of Sunset are hostage to traffic there, and that's in the city of West Hollywood which doesn't listen to or give a damn about L A residents.
Beverly Hills is a much better city.
Traffic and safety issues are a citywide problem -- one big store can't begin to compare. But wish you could get the store you want, however, EIR rules have to be consistent across the city despite our personal preferences sometimes.
Best you can probably do is mount a total shutout if they open, force them to sell. Maybe you'll stop them, maybe you won't.
3:50, Following the EIR rules is what
Home Depot is trying to avoid. Why should they be given special privileges when no one else is?
In Thailand, it's illegal to be caught in public while not wearing underwear.
Source: dumblaws.com
Alger is starting a company called Fruit of the Loons, coming soo to S-T.
Wow what a bunch of a comments on one stupid little post.
Memo to the "GOOD MAYOR",
Nice to play in our "UNDIES" once in a while.
Sincerely,
"LARRY FLINT SPOT"
Stupid is as Stupid does.
You need some "DEPENDS" for that "POOPER" comment.
You could use a new avatar "Donkey in CD 14".
Many willing, shilling "DONKIES" in CD 14.
obviously.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, No one will be called Donkey in CD 14. That does not even rhyme; let me give you some examples of appropriate rhyming names.
Midget Mayor
Mechista Mayor
Bitter Bernie
City Clowncil
And of course
Blogging Burros
Hey, What happened to the "Donkey in CD 14" picture?
Ass-shamed?
I'm with 11:16 AM. Really stupid post Mayor.
The fallout of the Home Depot debacle of Latham & Watkins continues: HD is officially dropping its plan to open a third store within a couple of miles of its others in Glendale and Cypress Park. Glassell Park and Eric Garcetti win a victory for a sensible development at Fletcher Square. Mayor Sam will flameout on this one.
Home Depot is headed every which way but up. I wonder just how much they have alienated the City with their huge lawsuit ? Now they back out of Glassell Park? Mayor Sam is choking on his own words......
I know you are but what am I?
Huizar's latest fee waiver in CD 14 is "Huizar's Winter Wonderland."
Has he absolutely no shame? Aren't the people sick of his name on every parade by now?
This is definitely a Hispanic thing.
Can you imagine a "Rosendahl Winter Wonderland," or Greuel (maybe?), etc.? Would even Zine do it?
...K Mart had the rights to that property and when it (K Mart) bought SEARS they made a deal for various properties' rights that would be dealt out to Home Depot.
At THIS PROPERTY (still owned by the Edward's Theater family, there was the Sunland Drive In there for decades) it seems HD did not do their homework for the K Mart had an AUTOMOTIVE tire center as part of K Mart. HD thus should have realized this DEAL was going to be a problem, when they made it with K Mart. HD's don't have a car fixing area. Thus, No GranDaddy availability.
Also Apperson Elementary is one block from the site and as anyone knows HD's are full of work and large trucks ALL DAY, and ST has only ONE main street Foothill, with NO WHERE ELSE to navigate.
Oh well, I'm done shpeeling
but I must say this please,
I spent the first part of my life in NoHo and second now in ST,
my view is "WE" up here
are NOT NIMBYS
but really MYOBers !
Oh not me, but let me tell you 30 years HERE and I have PROOF and it's not just this teeney No Home Depot issue.
ST=MYOB...finally I'M FREE !
Then apparently K-Mart went broke at that site. Mayor Sam are you sure there's a demand for a department store? If so how come no one is opening them in that community?
How many times does it have to be said that S-T Kmart did not go broke. It was one of their highest revenue making stores in the city. That property is owned and leased out by the Edwards (Theaters) Family Trust. Federal bankrupcy rules do did not allow Kmart to keep their business on leased property, therefore it had to close.
That Kmart store serviced customers across the north valley and a like store is still a necessity for our communties. Why should our communties have to suffer by traveling out of the city to get goods that Kmart supplied to our neighborhoods. Home Depot's greedy plan is to have a warehouse every three miles regardless of the needs and wants of communities. There is no other area available for a Kmart of Targert type general merchandise store.
It's very sad that some persons on this thread have nothing better to do than diss Sunland-Tujunga for trying to protect their community and neighborhood. Apparently, you condone Home Depot's dispicable tactics in trying to bully Sunland-Tujunga into acceptance of their dishonorable corporation. Your time would be better spent dealing with the proposed DWP rate increase, the telephone tax, and insuring that the trash tax being collected for more police officers is not ripped off for the general fund as suggested by the council. Also, that the selection of another DONE G.M. will continue to carry out the work and policies of our late Carol Baker Tharpe.
Yeah, Sam, amazing how many people comment even on the underwear choices in S-T --- anything as long as your mutt dogg and his matt aren't involved.
Of course, about half the posts are from wet spot (hope you have plenty of those civvies on hand -- it's going to pour soon).
Hey, zuma, did Joel Stein take matt up on his generous offer to be allowed to interview the three of you as celebs in your own minds?
(The idiocy of him now trying to turn Don Jones into the bad guy and an alleged threat, on his thread, is over the top even for him --
someone get him those meds quick.
The only real implied threat is to the nutcase himself: if you call him out for what he says about people -- he denies complicity in this case, but sure encourages it -- he'll try to sic his "posse" on you and suggest he'll go after you for making "terrorist" threats!
(Instead of taking his own advice to this guy to just ignore him and his wife being insulted by people they don't even know.)
Nice company you keep, Sam!
Stick to the civvies civics.
12:43: Actually, no one else cares about whether Sunland Tujunga gets its KMart or Target instead of the Home Depot -- but since you're advising people to care about things which affect the city financially, for your info, that's the only reason anyone outside your area would have reason to care: the lawsuit affects all of us.
Anytime local opposition to development triggers lawsuits, the area and their CM must consider the well-being of the whole city.
Plus I'm sick of hearing about this
"victory for the people" as being "over greedy development interests" and all that. Yes, many developers are greedy but some NIMBYs who are intent on running their HOAs and NCs like fiefdoms do so in a virtual monopoly amongst themselves of older people with too much time and ego, without knowledge of city workings, on their hands.
(So that I don't even feel my NC is "mine" and why I'm so mad -- 99% of us don't even show up at meetings NC to elect, let alone to meet, these people -- and when we do, often dislike them. There's a crazy old lady down the street who got herself on the board and is appointed to represent our side of the NC for variances to code like if you want a higher fence, etc. And she's a nutcase we all hate and wouldn't work with when she tried to form an HOA with herself as President.)
Anyway -- these wingnuts now look to S-T as "proof" that our CM should be backing them up on anything they want, which is CAVE mentality stuff, and what bugs me, is they don't have an alternative to the CM and his close connections to City Hall -- they think they can be the little kings themselves.
Financially and in terms of "people's power" where you got Wendy to cave and it's promoted as your victory over CM complacency, the power of NC's in general, etc., is actually having negative impacts, too.
Look at the same collection of people who obstruct everything on the westside to mitigate traffic, yet complain about it all the time, now rising up in arms when the city has finally implemented a plan (and is willing to do it as a trial and make changes) on Pico-Olympic. But they've never been able to agree on anything except blocking everything.
Many also oppose every green light and speed bump but demand that things improve immediately.
I live near UCLA and sympathize with the merchants who say no parking at rush hours hurts them, but it's been done on Wilshire and other streets -- we simply need the extra lane at rush hour more than letting a handful of people park.
Ideally, there should be municipal lots every 4 blocks or so like in Beverly Hills, and old-fashioned minimalls don't look so bad for now. Maybe it's not reasonable for a small shop and its few customers to stall traffic on boulevards. So as not to put them out of business, there needs to be some measure to allow temp parking on side streets, as long as residents get preference.
So -- as for your local issues and getting a KMart, good luck: but transferring your issues to the city at large where there is an abundance of stores and traffic, is just so inapplicable and tiresome.
1:50 PM-Are neighborhoods supposed to be intimidated by lawsuits to the point that they let corporations and developers have their way? Remember, it was HD that filed the lawsuit.
They could have just gone through environmental assessment, but instead chose to sue. Don't blame the S-T on this one.
"Apparently people in Sunland Tujunga don't have enough underwear in their wardrobe and they hate big hardware stores."
This appears to be a true fact; one stated by multiple Sunland Tujunga residents.
Not true, Sunland Tujunga residents don't wear underwear
"Home Depot has leased land in their area and is attempting to build a hardware store"
They won't sell hardware. They'll sell medical marajuana.
This fact is not in dispute
"that according to community activists, every single person who lives in the community opposes."
Very true. Every S-T person opposes HD. Only pod people support HD.
Home Depot would dispute this as may some of the activists (though they probably think it's true).
HD are pod people.
"Therefore as a free idea from the Mayor Sam Insitiute for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs"
Probably a LAUSD Charter School
Disclosure: There is no such entity, educational institution, organization or business known as the Mayor Sam Isitiute (or Institute) for Advanced Studies of Community Underwear Needs."
Ha, another corrupt Mayor Sam enterprise
"we offer the following recommendation:
Don't think too hard. You'll break something.
Joe Barrett and team should pool their funds together, create Community Underwear, LLC, buy the land and buy-out Home Depot's lease."
He's probably too busy with that wacky website
This however is a real recommendation.
"Then CU-LLC could immediately begin to build"
Assuming adequate project funding and resources, if formed, CU-LLC could develop a real estate project
"their underwear mall featuring the cafes they want to sit at and sip lattes while in their underwear."
You're a pod person. S-T people don't drink lattes.
This presumes that the stakeholders of the proposed CU-LLC desires an underwear mall, wishes cafes to be built or to sip lattes in their underwear
"Everyone would be happy."
Yes, definitely a pod person (I knew that that Zuma Dogg was a bit odd).
This is subjective and not necessarily a guaranteed outcome.
"Perhaps even SEIU and UFCW would be glad to contribute pension funds to the project."
Only if it was in Alarcon's district.
To 1:50 pm. I sympathise with the westside's traffic problem. The entire city has a problem with traffic. By the way, what happens regarding those two streets also affects the entire city! Perhaps if the city had involved the NC's in that area, in the decision making process, they may have been able to work together to come up with a win win solution to mitigate their concerns,which would have been acceptable to everyone in that vicinity.
By the way, I think you forfeit you right to diss your NC if you don't attend your meetings and make a concious effort to improve it. It appears that you are bitter and don't attend because things don't go your way. It takes volunteers a lot of time, effort and dedication to work together in order to work out the kinks in order to have a successful and smooth running NC. It doesn't happen over night by itself.
One more thing, S-T elected Councilmember Wendy Greuel to advocate for them, which is what the the city council's elected officials are supposed to do. For Home Depot to accuse her of being in colusion with S-T against them in their lawsuite against the city is unbelievable, outrageous and stupid! But, what else can be expected from Home Depot?
5:05; Your ignorance combined with judgment are part of the problem we face in the city. I HAVE attended a couple of meetings and won't get dragged into their negative energy, and CAVE/ NIMBYism, and the way they diss the CM and deputies, want to boss them around.
In case you've been sleeping, it's happened all over town, even in less affluent areas -- but these people all think they're smarter than their elected officials and don't hesitate saying so, acting rude and confrontational and demanding, like the CM and city are their servants -- NOT conducive to working together.
Most other people don't want this negative energy, and all it takes is a handful of the people who do show up to elect each other and play revolving Board seats. This is true both with the HOA and the NC it belongs to (many of the people overlap.)
Plus the irony is that these people are more intent on excluding anyone who doesn't agree with them, than the city could possibly be accused of. They are very closed minded and uniform, and the old lady who's been "selected" to rep my area within the NC is a battle-axe who does have the time and energy to show up all the time -- as Woody Allen said, "90% of success is just showing up," and while she/they have no other successes, they have the "success" of showing up and banding together.
No, involving these people in the city's decision would NOT solve the problem -- they're operating out of spite and bitterness, have never been happy with any CM's, but this area is dominated by people who only obstruct everything. They've been consulted on numerous (I can say probably every) development and plan.
They've rejected Zev's plan to turn the streets totally one-way, but are too kiss-ass to him to criticize him, but now after the city has studied alternatives for many months (and all HOA's and NC's were invited to submit comments on Zev's plan with alternatives for all those months) and done something, they band together just to complain.
One of the Board members was quoted in City WAtch telling someone that they don't want non-homeowners in the group, like merchants, renters and students/ faculty, because they want to keep a uniformity of opinion regarding their needs.
They never responded to requests by the HOA's and NC's to offer valid plans. Individual comments were probably sent in, however.
If the merchants and others weren't consulted, they can thank their HOA (which stands for HOMEOWNERS) and the NC for excluding them on purpose. NOW they are trying to drag in the merchants to bolster their just-say-no views.
So don't criticize ME when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Dont' you dare tell me I have "forfeited" any rights to critize or critize ME for anything else! My vote is for the elected leaders, which they choose to be in formal, continued opposition to. (Often in shockingly rude and nasty manner.)
The rest of the city couldn't be more different than your little pocket of S-T (or wherever you come from), where that one store seems to have widespread solidarity from a (no offense) much more simple and less snotty/haughty/superior group of residents who "control" their area. Stick to your battles for underwear, just don't expect the rest of the city to care.
As for the suit being filed by HD -- of course, but you all knew they would if you forced them to scrap their building 90% from completion.
Why don;t you stick to advising zuma dogg on how to behave and think and stop insulting people in areas you don't know anything about. As you say, no one even knows where your area is, whereas we're in the center of L A and have to come up with a way to minimize everyone else driving through.
(If we could set up toll booths and just discourage them from coming, that would be fine with me.)
Home Depot was warned NOT to begin construction until the appeal filed by the No Home Depot Campaign was processed. They ignored the warnings and raced to complete their renovations and open the store before the appeal could be heard. They did this knowing that it is nearly impossible to close a business, once it has opened.
And for you to call our community "simple" is very insulting.
This area contains more activists, artists, writers, film folks, and equestrians, than probably any other area for its size.
Less snotty/haughty/superior...yes!
And no one or no group "controls" the area.That is offensive as well.
By the way, I am not 5:05.
This thread was posted as a joke because of S-T carrying on for a KMart or Target because of resident postings that they can't buy undies without driving to Burbank. Stick to worrying about that instead of telling people how to think in their own areas which you don't understand. People do come across as rather insular and provincial, and clueless about the city.
I'm not previous poster and live in Sherman Oaks, but many of us have HOA and NC groups like that. Then there's infamous Glassell Park with Bradley, and Venice at opposite extremes of odd. The Congress of NC's has an average age of 102, and the same few dozen to a hundred regulars.
Maybe some NCs work but many don't, and the whole system is even more rigged and bogus than elections for city office. These people should never get more power to affect their neighbors -- talk about lack of inclusion and accountability.
To me, Home Depot is just another legal issue that costs money, like the LAFD and LAPD lawsuits, wastes by city depts., lack of using grant monies wisely, the hundreds of millions wasted by LAUSD while kids are the worst performing in the nation, the stuff the papers write about. And then they raise taxes.
You can see why some NC's would like to just secede from the city and manage their own affairs, but as long as taxes don't stay in the hood anyway, we're all stuck paying
for each other's mistakes and problems.
6:20 Wow, you have gathered all that information regarding your community from attending only "a couple of NC meetings?" Also you know everything that's going on with all the rest of the NC's. Over 80 I believe. I'm impressed!
With all that knowledge you report to have, I bet you could use your positive energy before your next NC election, to outreach to your community to get your members to vote those "negative energy people" off your NC Board and reshape it to your satisfaction. You could possibly even be voted in as Chair or President yourself! That would depend on how hard you want to work at it.
To all concerned persons, dissing a community or name-calling is not a joke, it's discrimination and offensive! The S-T community has walk the walk and talked the talk. They have worked hard on behalf of their community and deserve respect and not the "negative comments" against them as portayed on this thread. Shame on all you guilty persons.
Those of you who are not like that please pardon me, I do not want to lump you all together. The rest of you, grow up!
11:27: You are showing what an odd bunch of weirdoes there are in S-T, why your obsession with a KMart to buy underwear is weird, and why you are exactly how your detractors and HD portrayed you as.
Stop, for your own good.
We don't live in some hick town, the rest of us -- we don't have some sad little homogenous community bounded by one or two streets all obsessing about Kmart, throwing around judgments about things you can't possibly understand in your isolation, and you guys really should get it together before you involve the city in your lawsuits.
The more you people speak out, the weirder you are -- how many Mayor Sam threads making fun of you do you want?
Can't you guys just secede and join beautiful downtown Burbank: then, if you want to buy longjohn civvies, you'll be contributing to your own town, anyway. And maybe someone can do something with that little patch you're so compulsive about.
Do what the hell you want, just leave the rest of us out of your lawsuits and weirdness already/
Pls. don't move further NW -- the oddballs moving out to Bell Canyon have already made us long to move, again... I just gave up a house in Santa Monica, which I LOVED. But too many nutcases all around.
Stick around for Reality Show, PT 3: Will the residents of Sunland Tujunga get the Kmart they dream about? Does anyone give a shit?
I think a LOT of people in the City of Los Angeles care about what happens in Sunland Tujunga. But you know what we DON'T care about?
You Mr. Just had to give up a house in Santa Monica. (that isn't L.A.) You Mr. Advice Giver to poster advising they move to Burbank. (that isn't in L.A. either)
You aren't a resident here, you don't pay taxes here and we don't need your advice. Sorry.
Home Depot does not want to do an Environmental Impact Report,
Home Depot was just fined 10 milllion for mis-handling,storage,
and transportation of Chemicals.
1. This site is 450 ft from an Elementary School (They don't want to follow CEQA Code)
2.Earthquake Liquifaction site ia
an earthquake zone.
3. wildlife issues (Coyotes seen at the property)
4. High wind Velocity Area
5 Los Angeles River Tributary runs through site.
6. Tujunga Watershed- Supplies drinking water to the city of Los Angeles
7.Residences on sides of the property. (noise and Pollution)
8 Small streets unable to handle the excess traffic load during peak
hours.
9. Pedestrian Path for Elementary Middle and High School
10 Contaminated Soil Auto Service area
11. Emergency Evacuation route for the Community.
That is a few reasons why they don't want to do an EIR
Let's not forget that Home Depot ignored the Schools existence
through the entire process, until they filed the appeal.
They started out to rebuild the store. When they found out all
of the issues They changed it to Tenant Improvements. You Don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to figure out that Deadman Supports and a Ceiling Collapse should
have signaled to someone that
There were "Structural" Issues
here.
The Store has been violating Foothill Corridor Specific Plan
Ordinances.
That's why we have been fighting.
Go to the internet and look Home Depot store fires,Like Atlanta Where many Fire Fighters were Hospitalized.
There are Laws for a reason.
Greasing Palms shouldn't change the rules.
Would someone please set up a stand on the vacant Kmart/ No Home Depot site to peddle underwear already?
The thought of all those overweight, clearly simple-minded and smug people running around without underwear is a truly terrifying thought.
God forbid they implement underwear police like in Thailand -- they'd have to get extra hazard pay.
Since they're so anxious for KMart underwear that they're exposing our whole city to lawsuits they can't win, some basic thermals and Fruit o' the Looms ought to do fine.
Of course, no illegals vending that underwear stand -- some fine, plump persons who can model their wares?
Home Depot gives a lot of freebies to Reseda residents, too bad you couldn't work out a deal, you'd have underwear and street decor for Christmas by now.
Keep your noses in our only little enclave and out of the real world.
Ol' Dead Mayor Sam likes to poke fun at us. I suppose because we actually accomplished something and .......he hasn't.
(comment about this thread on the Foothills Forum)
2:47, Who Cares about S-T? Apparently you do or you wouldn't spend your time making such hateful remarks or bother to respond to this thread. You should have done our city justice and stayed in Santa Monica with your venemous personality.
10:55,I know that Reseda has a right to welcome H.D. if they want them. They probably have a need for them. S-T doesn't need them and is entitled not to want them. H.D. are is not a good fit for the S-T community for reasons already expressed by 7:34.
Remember, S-T is not suing the city, Home Depot is - and their lawsuit is bogus! It appears they are trying to get their $10 mil
fine back for their hazarard material violations at their warehouse in Marina Del Rey and elsewhere. And they want to put their warehouse in a vicinity close to a school and next to a Senior Citizen's Mobil Home Park?!
So much for "H.D. Cares" Now that is alaughable joke!
6:20, Hummmm, Are you a city or county employee or work for an elected official? You seem to know alot about what meetings supposedly took place.
3:58: I know that lack of underwear can make people very cranky and even lose all sense of perspective. Most of us don't share that problem.
Many people who don't live in bohemia with horses and chickens in their back yards and need pooper scoopers in their living rooms, do have nosy "retired Nazis" as poster says in new thread from Joe -- enforcing CCNR's, and taking over the HOA, NC's and longing for days of yesteryear with their "just say no" attitudes.
The only reason anyone cares about your neighborhood is because you're trying to enlist citywide support for your tactics, and you don't reflect or deserve that designation or the money involved. Your actions have harmed the city by turning off prospective bigbox and other merchandisers from coming to Los Angeles, and inspiring the retired Nazis to try to take over the rest of us and the city even more than they already have.
Your ridiculous postings and ignorant judgmental advice confirm the image the other side has painted of you guys -- next time, you won't be so lucky with sympathy at all.
Whether Santa Monica, Sherman Oaks, or West L A, everyone has more in common with each other than with you. Reseda is maybe more like you and might be more of a model.
Splurge on some Victoria's Secret instead of Fruit of the Loom just once -- you might feel better.
Reseda has something in common with Sunland-Tujunga? Now that's insulting.
6:49- I thought Home Depot fired their PR firm, or are you from the new one they hired?
6:49,appears to be a Home Depot rep. OMG.....oh no..... they're baaaaack! Just as insulting as
ever! Someone take H.D. off of
S-T's hands.....pleeease!!!
Now we know where all the negative insulting remarks are coming from.I can't understand why you didn't get fired as well! You are certainly not doing anything to improve H.D,'s pathetic image.
I doubt that other communities in L.A. would allow H.D. to bully them either. They will also protect their quality of life, that H.D. is so set on destroying in S-T because of greed!
H.D. rep., I expect you to proceed with your disparaging rebuttals because you have nothing significant to add other than more lies and name calling.
In the eyes of many consumers, H.D. is already defeated and a non issue!
One thing you S-T people don't admit, is that HD wanted to tear down the old 30-yr old KMart building and build, from scratch, a new state-of- the art facility whose architectural style is consistent with the neighborhood.
However, you persuaded your Councilmember to forbid this and make only minimal improvements to the building, which makes no sense. So any claims that HD was stopped in its renovations because of lack of adherence to regulations, and the red herring of a "project," is a smoke screen to deflect from the fact that you persuaded her to stop the renovations because you just plain never wanted an HD in the first place.
That is not a legally defensible position.
The current building was stopped before it fire sprinklers could be installed, as HD wanted, so if there is a danger to the community, it is because of the vocal neighbors. Similarly, the building isn't weatherproofed, and damages are accumulating in the wet winter.
I can sympathize with a community wanting a different type of retailer, but these issues seem cut and dried in HD's favor. If you're going to involve the whole city in lawsuits, you need a community and NC leadership sophisticated enough to evaluate all of these issues.
Otherwise, it seems like a nice little town -- pancake breakfasts, church-sponsored street cleanups, holiday events: but not when it comes to understanding planning issues and the realities and needs of the city as a whole.
You complain that the mayor wants a compromise, not a no-prisoners battle: that's the only sensible solution.
Happy Holidays.
Sunland-Tujunga has always openly stated that HD is not welcome or needed here. No one is "not wanting to admit" anything. The design of a new building is not the problem. The very existence of this business in S-T is.
From a post above, and pasted below are a few reasons, just for starters:
1. This site is 450 ft from an Elementary School (They don't want to follow CEQA Code)
2.Earthquake Liquifaction site ia
an earthquake zone.
3. wildlife issues (Coyotes seen at the property)
4. High wind Velocity Area
5 Los Angeles River Tributary runs through site.
6. Tujunga Watershed- Supplies drinking water to the city of Los Angeles
7.Residences on sides of the property. (noise and Pollution)
8 Small streets unable to handle the excess traffic load during peak
hours.
9. Pedestrian Path for Elementary Middle and High School
10 Contaminated Soil Auto Service area
11. Emergency Evacuation route for the Community.
Home Depot is the one that has to defend their position, and they have no defense.
They abandoned their original plans when they realized there was ZERO support for the "PROJECT" and the ability to mitigate their negative impacts would be impossible.
They therefore tried to fool the City with a supposed Tenant Remodel,
which would allow them to open and avoid scrutiny.
Fortunately, the No Home Depot Campaign and the Community diligently studied Muni codes and the specific plan and were able to prove, over and over, that the scope of the work exceeded the definition of mere "Tenant Improvements".
The community filed an appeal to the issued building permits, months before HD began construction. HD was repeatedly warned to not do any work until the appeal was processed.
They ignored the warnings, and raced to open the store, knowing that once they were open, little could be done to stop them.
They were stopped in their tracks
and now they are crying like babies.
If only they had listened to the warnings from the City, they wouldn't have wasted $2 mil on a store that has little, if any, chance of ever opening.
Oh, oh, the one-issue town rises again all because of a thread about their underwear. See what you've done, Sam?
One Issue Town? What planet are you on? You need to come to a local Land Use meeting, my friend. We wish we only had one issue!
Communities in L.A. should take note regarding what H.D. is trying to do to S-T.
Your communities could become a victim of a like situation as well. Then, you will also be looking for guidance and support from neighbors against unfair and bullying tacts. What H.D. has done and continues to do to S-T is not
justifiable under any circumstance and just plain wrong!
We cannot allow their unethical tactics to be accepted as "course of performace" while doing business in our city. It sets a dangerous precedent for all our communities.
Don't allow the scare tactic " if H.D. does not go in S-T it will discourage business in L.A." nonsence alarm you. That is only Deep Pockets blowing their smoke.
H.D. and other big stores will continue to go where ever they are wanted, needed and profitable in L.A. with very little problem ---if they follow the rules !--- H.D. DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES! They created the problems.
Just let them open the store! Their going to do it anyway. Since no one is going to shop there, they'll close it for lack of business. Right? Mayor Sam is right. The City will settle. Pay close attention the first steps are in the works. Joe B. will see what a waste he has been.
What's really insulting, is that some of you don't get it. We are resident's and we do want HD. We meet and plan, we just don't make a public relations event out of it. Keep it up. We are growing in our support and the crazy efforts of No HD are encouraging us more.
December 14 here again. I told you so! Quit being terrorist neighbors and get on board so that we can get some benefit's from this. It's going to happen regardless of what you think, do, or think you can do!
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