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Thursday, December 23, 2004

Who Is Meat?

meatOne of the more colorful posters here on Mayor Sam's blog goes by the name of Meat. Meat has been very active posting, particularly on issues related to candidate Antonio Villaraigosa.

In order to have a little fun - and to make sure that no one who is not Meat doesn't get blamed for his antics - Meat's agreed to join us in a little contest. We are leaving it you to pull back his mask, and out Meat. Who is Meat? What is his name?
If you are correct, Meat will out himself. If no one guesses correctly, Meat will remain anonymous.

What we know about Meat is that:
  • He knows a lot about LA politics.
  • He doesn't seem to care for Mayor Hahn.
  • He is prone to wearing hats.
If you are correct, Meat will out himself.
To sweeten it a bit, the correct poster (who must somehow identify themselves to Mayor Sam) will get a free banned LA County Seal button. Determing the winner is the sole discretion of Mayor Sam.

Blog away, dum dums.

121 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

A hat sounds like Patt Morrison, but she knows how to spell.

The info. smells like Ace Smith, but if we take MEAT at his word, he is not on Antonio's payroll.

Hmm, we'll keep thinking...

December 23, 2004 9:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I say Meat is Antonio.

December 23, 2004 9:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How fair is it that you are trying to encourage others to reveal the identity of MEAT, when you make no effort to identify those who are continously attacking him. Why not then try to find out who MEATEATER is, or make it so that nobody can post on this website without giving up their name, address, social security number, and who they plan to vote for in the primary.

This goes completely against what Mayor Sam (I think it was him) said when Armando first came on the blog and challenged others to not hide behind the anonymous posts and show us who they really are. I think that MEAT has guts for agreeing to this challenge, but I think this will prevent thought-provoking discussions from taking place when somebody will be scared to seem to knowledgeable and then be outed by this blog.

In my eyes, this is bullshit.

December 23, 2004 10:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

One of Meat's recent posts was literally identical to several paragraphs of a Villaraigosa for Mayor press release, signed by Ace Smith.

December 24, 2004 11:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Which posting are you referring to? And what press release are you talking about? Come on guys, bring out sources!

December 24, 2004 12:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who cares who he is? By his own admission he gets his information from the newpapers and calling Antonio's office. BIG DEAL. No consultant, no insider, just a guy who wants to be somebody. Is this Mayor Sam screwing up again? The poster who really seemed to know what he was talking about was the guy who called MEAT "MEATHEAD" - and it wasn't me!

December 25, 2004 2:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

STRONG RUMOR.....STRONG RUMOR......STRONG RUMOR...............

Because of this blog and postings related to the Mayor's unceremonious removal of good Board of Public Works paid commissioners who have only been on the Commission a year, 'to give others in the City a chance to serve', while leaving some Commissioners on for YEARS....like Ellen Stein, whose husband Ted acted as President of the Airport Commision while raising lots of money for the Mayor......................it is believed that a deal has been worked out to have Ms. Stein resign after year end, in time to take some of the heat off of the Mayor, during the election period, and then if he wins..........well you can guess the rest.

But the key is.........has the deal been done and will she leave? That still won't detract from the fact that it took a reelection campaign, a BLOG pointing out the lies the Mayor was spreading about removing good minority PAID commissioners....to give others a chance while leaving a white wealthy valleyite on as (do you think) payback for her husband's financial support.

Well, not to worry, if Ms. Stein does leave that will still leave one more Stein on the Mayor's payroll. Their daughter who works for the Mayors Office and is paid for that too.

So Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night !

December 25, 2004 1:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, Mayor Sam, the last posting is worthy of a new thread, photo and all. Why not show photos of all of the paid and unpaid members of that family and their positions and how much they get paid, etc. After all, it has been a family affair since Mayor 'give everyone a chance' has come into power. You may want to check it out and find that 'other families' who have supported Hahn who have been rewarded with Major commission appointments.....and more minor ones for their lesser family members.

December 25, 2004 1:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I've heard the same rumor.

Happy Holidays Dum-Dums

Blog Away.

December 25, 2004 6:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Commission members are political appointments. If Antonio hadn't broken his promise to not run for mayor, the fomer commisisoner would still be serving. You guys know how it is done. The mistake Hahn made was trusting Antonio. Anybody who gets too close to Antonio will be bitten - sooner or later. Let's look at Antonio - no bill gets passed in the Assembly without my name on it - Villaraigosa and see how he has shafted everybody who has come across his path. That would be an interesting thread.

December 25, 2004 7:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Cynthia Ruiz was appointed because of her political connections--Antonio insisted on in as part of his "support" for Jim Hahn and Jim Hahn was dumb enough to believe AV. Now, she is gone because Tony Cardenas wanted his District Director to be commissioner and Hahn wants Cardenas' endorsement. All of these commissioner appointments (maybe with the exception of 5% or so) are political in some way--another councilmember suggests someone, the mayor has supporters to reward, etc. This isn't always bad--there are a lot of qualified people who are close to politicians and no one bitches when the mayor hires staff that is close to him.

The only way to get rid of this would be to abolish citizen commissions (ironically set up originally to give some independence to the governing process in Mayor Sam's day), but this ain't gonna happen, and there are some decent arguments as to why it shouldn't happen either.

No matter who wins in May, it ain't gonna be different. And if you don't believe me, ask in Sacto who Hertzberg and Villaraigosa appointed to commissions. It is the same group.

December 26, 2004 10:09 AM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

You tinhorns can welcome me back home now, back from Arizona where they have half an idea how to run a government.

To the moron who had his panties in a bunch about our "Guess the Meat" contest, blow off. This was Meat's idea and we agreed to go with it. Meat wants to have a little fun and he also wants to take the heat off some boys you guys have been harrassing.

So grow up and go gargle with razor blades.

December 26, 2004 1:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh, it was MEATs idea. Then it is a total con job. Count me out. The first poster got it right. Who cares who MEAT is?

December 26, 2004 2:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If I read Mayor Sam right, someone is pinning Meat's writings on someone in Antonio's team - I get that Meat wants to take the heat off that person. If that's the case, then Meat should confess who he is himself and not be getting Mayor Sam to do his dirty work.

December 26, 2004 5:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who cares? As long as he checks his facts and informs the readers he could be my sister for all I care.

He is willing to admit when he makes mistakes and that is important.

Everyone challenging him should do their best to work with facts and admit when they make mistakes, too.

December 26, 2004 5:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat says he's a poitical junkie. What I don't understand and I think why people think he's either Antonio or a staffer of his is the fact that he takes digs on Antonio so personally. IF he was in fact a political junkie he would be more balanced and fair. He's not. He constantly attacks Hahn and defends Antonio even though the facts are out there. So the only conclusion is to assume he is on Antonio's team.

December 26, 2004 7:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh please, who cares who Meat is ????????? Read what he/she says....that is the important 'stuff'.

December 27, 2004 10:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I know who MEAT is !!! Meat is Jim Hahn. He doesn't realize that he is hurting himself annd others by the postings. He just is begging for sympathy ! ! !

December 27, 2004 10:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think meat is Mr Webmaster for AV.

December 28, 2004 10:10 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Who cares who MEAT is?" Nobody except himself. He's the one who proposed the contest. 1) He is a paid consultant - consultants usually don't do anything for free. 2) He is a wannabe consultant trying to impress Antonio Villaraigosa and therefore hoping to get paid at some time. 3) He already works for Antonio, or rather he works for Antonio's consultants and is spinning for them because there was originally a lot of hostility towards Antonio on this site. Whatever way you look at it, MEAT is manipulating this blog. And to we readers I can only say DUM DUMS. By the way, I go with number three. My reasoning is that when MEAT says something in defense of Villaraigosa many times it wasn't written that way in the newspapers but it is exactly how Antonio tells it in the community.

December 28, 2004 11:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is Ulysess Sanchez in Antonio's office.

December 28, 2004 4:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If somebody is saying MEAT is Ulyses Sanchez under the terms of the rules shouldn't MEAT respond with a "yes" or "no".

December 28, 2004 5:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm not MEAT nor Ulisses, but I know that it's not Ulisses. Keep continue guessing Dum-Dums.

Blog Away.

December 28, 2004 7:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat has been contacted - its not Ulysses - I am sure some of you morons will take the heat from Meat (hmmmm...that's almost making this blog sound like Boi from Troy).

December 28, 2004 7:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM ARMANDO:

I thought that those who were going to guess who MEAT is were suppose to identify themselves? Come on, if you're willing to throw out a name, throw yours out too. Afterall, I'm sure that all of you bloggers want the County Seal ornament.

December 28, 2004 8:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM: MEATBALL

Meat is Hertzbeg. Blog away dumbshits!

December 28, 2004 10:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Being the one who gave "meat" his nickname, I can confirm that he is NOT Hertzberg, nor is he Ulyses Sanchez. You'll have to keep guessing.
- Brian

December 29, 2004 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I would say MEAT is an Antonio staffer or volunteer. MEAT says he's not paid. OK. Somebody who is close to Antonio but not paid. I have two candidates: the driver in Antonio's last race for mayor and the driver in Antonio's CD14 campaign. I believe the driver in the mayoral campaign is now a PAID field deputy. So, my vote goes to Antonio's driver in the CD14 campaign. Yes or No, MEAT?

December 29, 2004 2:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I was actually the driver/body guy in the first mayoral go round, thus I know and nicknamed "Meat". So no, it isn't me, nor was he the primary driver in the council race...
-Brian

December 29, 2004 3:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And NO, I'm not a PAID field deputy for Antonio. I'm Hertzberg's assistant/Campaign CIO.
-Brian

December 29, 2004 3:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, thank you, Brian. We now know that MEAT is connected one way or another to Antonio and all this time has been spinning for the mayoral candidate. Who cares who he is now.

December 29, 2004 4:45 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Whoever this MEAT dude is, it is clear to me he cares more about Tony Villar than about Council District 14. Is it an obsession? Either way, Antonio still needs to prove to me that he can be a better than average Councilmember. I am still leaning his way but he needs to show me he can deliver money and projects to our district. What has he done for Hollenbeck Park?

December 29, 2004 5:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well CD14lover, don't lean too far Villaraigosa's way you may fall over and hurt yourself. The man who wants to be a better mayor for a better los angeles once said he was going to be a better councilmember for a better CD14. What is better about CD14 now? Is it better than when Pacheco was the councilmember? Just ask yourself that question, loverboy, and let us know if you are still leaning Villaraigosa's way?

December 29, 2004 6:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What I want to know is why Brian has the same name as Brian the runner-up from Boy Meets Boy and bartender at Here Lounge? Could they be the same person?!?

December 29, 2004 6:34 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

I am leaning toward Tony V. because he is my Councilman. Your right he has not proven much to me but he really has not done anything wrong. I want what is best for the district. I can say I am not definitely voting for Hahn or Parks. They have done nothing for the Eastside, ever! As Police Chief, Parks allowed crime to rise and Hahn thinks the Eastside is in the County. If you ever had to deal with his staff you know what I am talking about. When was the last time Hahn was in the Eastside besides a homocide or when there has been no press present? Alarcon is looking good, I think he did better than Antonio at the first debate but it does not make me change my mind.

December 29, 2004 7:13 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

To answer your question, I am still checking whether CD14 is better off, the same or worse. The only thing I do not like about his staff is that they a very rude. I talk to alot of people in CD14 and they say they need to learn to talk to people. But I hear that is the way Antonio's office has always been run. What I do want to know is what has AV done for Hollenbeck Park? The banshell was recently completed but it was in the works already, the lake is in bad shape, the bridge is broken, the rec center is really bad, the grass is really bad and the soccer players always take over the park. What about the Boyle Heights Wolfpack? Has he done anything for them?

December 29, 2004 7:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is Parke Skelton.

December 29, 2004 10:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is NOT Parke Skelton, and I am not the runner-up from Boy Meets Boy or a bartender at Here Lounge.
-Brian

December 30, 2004 6:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The work sounds like Ace Smith, the best OR guy in the country, but Meat has not confirmed that so if we take him at his word (that we would reveal himself) its not Ace.

Parke Skelton is known to post on local blogs, but his posts are better written than Meat's. So unless Skelton is disguising his writing style.

My guess is possibly Bill Zimmerman. He's not directly tied to AV so that does fit with what Meat says. But that's only a hunch.

Darkhorse possibility: Jimmy Blackman

December 30, 2004 8:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All good guesses, but still not correct. Meat does talk with all of those people though, so the "lingo" you are using to guess is correct.
-Brian

December 30, 2004 8:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To CD14 Lover, thanks for caring about the district. However, to respond to the Hahn not being in Boyle Heights for a long time you're wrong. When Bratton was selected the next day one of the first communities Hahn brought Bratton was Boyle Heights to the HOBK Youth Center. In the last two months Hahn has been in Boyle Heights at Stevenson Middle School where he announced he was giving money from the $2.5 million he got Federally to start programs for the students. Part of that money went to the CLEAR program in Boyle Heights to attack the gang problem. So how can you say he hasn't done anything for BH? During Thanksgiving and Xmas Hahn has given toys to organizations that didn't have the money this year to help the community. I would like to know where did Villaraigosa give toys in CD14 for Xmas? I know of only El Sereno.

December 30, 2004 8:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nice post, Julie.

December 30, 2004 10:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is an alter ego of Brian to throw off the Hahn supporters. There is no Meat.

December 30, 2004 10:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is Ace Smith. He is lying. And yea man did the Times slam Huggy today! But why now? Shouldn't they have done this weeks ago?

December 30, 2004 10:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe I'm Mayor Sam too! If I'm going to have multiple personalities, the more the merrier!
-Brian

December 30, 2004 10:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM ARMANDO:

To the blogger that asked about where Villaraigosa gave away toys, he had 2 toys giveaways: 1 in El Sereno and 1 in Boyle Heights. They sent out a press releases 2 weeks ago stating that they were going to give out 5,000 toys.

December 30, 2004 10:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't know who MEAT is (or care) but Armando sounds like consultant Steve B. Is the entire Villaraigosa team spending their time on this site.. I bet you wish you were as popular when you were alive Mayor Sam?

December 30, 2004 10:26 AM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Like I said in my post, when has Hahn been on the eastside when there have been no cameras present? I know he is the Mayor so he does get alot of press but my point is Mayor Hahn only goes to CD14 as a press tool no because he likes the area. He has no compassion for the people on the eastside let alone trying to understand how to make things better? As Mayor what has he done for the Eastside? Bring in Bratton? Crime is still up in Hollenbeck...gand murders are still up...is crime down everywhere but here? Who is Mayor Hahn;s highest ranking Latino? Do they really do anything for the community?

December 30, 2004 10:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It seems as if Antonio's entire staff is addicted to this blog.

December 30, 2004 11:12 AM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Antonio's staff?? No way...I am not rude and I treat people with respect but like I said tell me what he has done wrong?? He still needs to produce and I want to know what he has done for Hollenbeck Park. I am leaning his way but open. I may even reconsider Bernie...but never Hahn, Anybody But Hahn!!!

December 30, 2004 11:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here we go again with that stupid racist attitude. I'm Latino but if there is someone more qualified than my latino friends I'm going to hire them. Hahn has appointed many commissioners that are Latino idiot because they are smart. You should be asking yourself when has Villaraigosa been in CD14 when there isn't a camera. I'll tell you when NEVER. Hahn got $2.5million from the federal gov't to be used only in Boyle Heights. There were only 7 cities to get it and Hahn got it for BH. Crime is down in Hollenbeck just look at the stats. You Antonio people can't accept the truth and continue to throw out crap on this blog that just isn't true. Antonio just sent out an e-mail yesterday to CD 14 asking people to tell 5 friends to join his campaign. Pretty sad if you have no support and have to ask your constituents to help you get them. This blog is filled with TOOO many of Antonio's people posting.

December 30, 2004 12:10 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Racist? Not the case at all...the point is that the city is comprised of at least 40% Latino yet the Mayor cannot search and find some qualified Latinos to work on a high level in his office? If you say there are none than that is racist. Commissioners dont count, they are just puppets of the Mayor. The fact is that the Mayor's Office is filled with people who have no understanding of the history of the eastside, both the Latino and jewish history so it translates into seeing it as not as a priority. They are either political hacks or unexperienced staffers. The $2.5 million was really Congresswoman Roybals work and the Mayor taking credit for it. Staff should reflect the make-up of the community but Hahn does not seem it translates to his staff. The Mayor only sees the eastside as a voting base and when the election is over he will either be out of office or continue to ignore it as Mayor.

December 30, 2004 12:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Staff should not reflect the make up of the community. They should reflect the best and the brightest irrespective of race, creed or color. As long as there is no actual discrimination, it doesn't matter if a staff is all white, all brown, all black or all purple - IF they were hired for their talents.

When will you people ever get this stuff?

December 30, 2004 12:33 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

I guess I do not get it but if you look at history the reason why there are 5 freeways going through Boyle Heights and all the industrial development on the Eastside and South LA is because there was no staff or councilmember that reflected the community. Best and brightest, yes but it should still reflect the community. Not exactly but somewhere in the ballpark. Best and brightest does not mean we always do the best and correct things. Remember, city staff and elected serve at the pleasure of the people.

December 30, 2004 1:12 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

And remeber, if you know your history, "You People" is not a good term to use, especially to African Americans. Which is my point, one needs to be culturally and ethnically sensitive and Mayor Hahn's staff is not in tune with the needs and concerns of the eastside. And we have a long way to go before discrimination ends...just look at the planning department...

December 30, 2004 1:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I'd love to day someone has guessed me -- but no one so far.

Thanks Brian for clearing some of the stuff on this blog -- unfortunately folks i am out of the city right now, which might be a hint if you know me already but not as MEAT.

But considering that it is the holidays -- almost everyone is out of town.

blog away dum-dums.

December 30, 2004 3:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard Bitter Bernie was out of town.

December 30, 2004 3:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Villaraigosa is Latino and he has shamed his Latino constituents. To make matters worst he USED the Eastside lying to them that he truly cared and said whatever he needed to get elected. He got elected and now is bailing on them. His Chief of Staff Jimmy Blackman sure isn't Latino either so why are you guys jumping on that?

December 30, 2004 8:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did anyone ever talk about Laura Chick bailing on the Valley? As soon as she got elected to a city wide office, she moved over the hill. Maybe she never lived in the Valley at all!

If Antonio was elected Mayor, would he move to West LA?

December 30, 2004 8:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jimmy Blackman is part Latino.

December 30, 2004 8:31 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Where does Laura live now? Unlike the Mayor, she is doing a damn good job as Controller...so I forgive her for moving. As for Jimmy Blackmon...what is he? Do we have percentages? Doesn't he live in the valley?

December 30, 2004 8:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Laura lives on the westside, where Antonio has been scouting condos.

Jimmy lives in the West Valley.

December 30, 2004 9:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Laura doesn't live on the westside. And quite frankly whether Jimmy Blackman is Latino, part Latino, part Eskimo or whatever, it has absolutely NOTHING to do do with anything. Let's keep this stuff on the electeds. Thay get paid enough for us to have a little fun with them and they are the ones our focus should be on.

December 30, 2004 9:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The poster got it half right - Laura Chick DID leave the Valley but didn't move to the Westside, but to Silverlake. Same difference - she bailed. Hope she doesn't think the Valley would support her for mayor.

December 31, 2004 8:39 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

IF Jimmy Blackass or any other staffer can't take the heat, then they need to go work for Farmers' Insurance. They are totally fair game. WE pay them.

December 31, 2004 8:40 AM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

I agree but try and stay with facts. If it is rumor, try and clear it up. Antonio's staff is fair game, we need to give them the treatment they give to us constituents...No respect.

December 31, 2004 9:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I love the race-bating! "Villaraigosa is Latino . . . he shamed his Latino constituents . . . Jimmy Blackman certainly isn't Latino . . . " Keep it up!

I agree. The races should stay to their respective districts and/or representatives. God knows what would happen if whites served in black districts, Latinos served in white districts, blacks served white or asian communities. Sounds like integration to me.

December 31, 2004 12:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And we certainly don't want straight staffers in gay districts!

December 31, 2004 1:58 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

Now your getting to be a little ridiculous. The point is that in this day and age there should not be staff that is entirely all male for example. They may the best and brightest and most qualified for the pool of applicants but there should actually be some women on staff too. Back in the day when this was possible except for administrative positions it was not because there were no qualified woman but they did not go out and find the most qualified woman who were better and brighter than some of the males in position of power. I bet Garcetti and Labonge have gay/lesbian staff members on staff. In closing...you can find the best and brightest and make sure they represent the district. I do not condone picking someone less qualified just because the happen to be white or latino or male or female.

December 31, 2004 3:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So lets go get some stupid people just because they are women or black or whatever. Even if a white councilman had an all black staff, its no big deal.

December 31, 2004 4:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Idealy, one would like to make sure that the Council office that represents them has the best staff available throughout the city, period. But the one thing that we must remember is that simply being the best won't get the job done 100% of the time. How about if a monolingual, chinese speaker calls an office to get help, and the staffmember answering the line only speaks English? What about if a spanish-speaking constituent calls the office and nobody can understand that he needs somebody to come repair a downed powerline in the street? There are certain key characteristics that make up a community, and the Councilmember has the responsibility to make sure that those key characteristics are not ignored.

On that same note, it's not completely necessary for somebody to know the district that they represent before taking the position. Sure, you want to make sure that the people who take care of your needs have a general idea of the main areas of your community and know that Crenshaw and Jefferson isn't located in Echo Park. But if somebody is dedicated to the job and is taking the opportunity to grow as a person, they can become familiar with the key issues in the area rather quickly.

At the end of the day, I just want the sofas thrown infront of my house picked up, the lights to work well on the street, and the cops to be taking care of my neighborhood.

December 31, 2004 6:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sorry, when I mentioned earlier about knowing the area, I was referring to the staff of a Council office, not the Councilmembers themselves. The Councilmember better know that area well beforehand, or else there are going to be serious problems.

December 31, 2004 6:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So who is MEAT? I say it's Richard Alarcon trying to throw us off.

January 01, 2005 6:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This shouldn't be about race but I guarantee there will be those that will come out with the race card. If a person is people friendly, understands the community then it doesn't matter what their race. I have seen Latinos serving in a white community and doing a great job. The people loved them because they did a good job and truly cared. It's unfortuante Antonio's staff after a year and 1/2 still don't get it. And CD14Lover its too late for Antonio to SHOW YOU he can come through. 2005 will be his second year and he hasn't done a damn thing so quit holding your breath.

January 01, 2005 7:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stop crying about Antonio not doing a thing. Bring up items and issues that you feel that he hasn't addressed, that he hasn't done anything about. Don't just post shit up that is so general, there isn't anything in it that can carry on any promising chats.

January 02, 2005 12:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

This has been ridiculous --- no one has guessed who i am -- so please take your insane comments to another posting.

When i get back into town and have time to make you all look like dum-dums, i will. Til then...

blog away dum-dums

January 02, 2005 9:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat and the poster before him. You are clones of your Master. You ignore all the facts, don't respond to any legitmate isues and just attack anybody who sees Villaraigosa for what he is: A shameless taker of credit for other people's accomplishments, he justs mouths the same old stuff time and again so believe believe it to be true. And in doing so takes in everybody - including dum dum Mark Cooper. But the game's up in the 14th and Antonio will soon be on his way out of here - but not into the Mayor's office. MEAT? Stay away or get your own blog. I am fed up with your lies and bravado.

January 02, 2005 10:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We are clones of our master??? Oh, give me a break with those cheesy lines. You say that I (and Meat) don't respond to legitimate issues. How can we do that when you fail to bring them up to be responded to. You and a bunch of bloggers continuously come online to this blog and bitch about that Antonio's time is up and that everybody will see, but it makes no sense whatsoever when you continue to repeat your tired lines and offer no insight into what you claim is the reason for this predicted end to the reign of Villaraigosa.

You claim that he just takes credit for others accomplishments. List them!!! Be an adult and come up to our level and back your statements with items and facts, not just worthless blabbing.

You bring up Marc Cooper as being sucked into Antonio's lies. I guess you didn't like his critical comments about how Labor sold out and endorsed Hahn. I guess rather than criticizing his article by detailing parts that you have problems with, you resort to calling him a dum-dum. That's really classy.

So you're fed up with Meat's "lies and bravados"? How about strapping up your gear and come on to this blog with something intelligent to counter what Meat and other Villaraigosa supporters have to say on this blog, rather than to tell them to go away. You want him to go away? How about challenging his points of view to the point where he will be embarrassed beyond return and will not come on here anymore.

If you have it in you to do so, I'd say to post again. If you don't, stop wasting our time and that of others who want to have mature discussions about how what's wrong with this city, and what we think we need to do to make it better.

January 02, 2005 12:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ben Austin?

January 02, 2005 1:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No, it's not Ben.

January 02, 2005 1:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parke or Steve, I think. Could be Ace, but I don't think so. At least they are paid to defend, Antonio.

January 02, 2005 11:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Doesn't MEAT call posters he doesn't agree with Dum-Dums? It's in every post of his. And yet anybody who isn't a supporter of Villaraigosa says it just once and all hell is let loose. What a bunch of cry babies those Villaraigosa supporters. Just like their Master, they want to play victim all the time. Now, can Tony really have it both ways. Well, he usually does, doesn't he? Tells a public forum that he is willing to go against the unions (the LAX project) and risk their wrath for the good of the city and then turns around and cries to Mark Cooper because the County Fed doesn't endorse him. Typical Tony Villar. Maybe people are waking up to his double talk. In the famous words of MEAT: Blog away dum-dims.

January 03, 2005 12:10 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Cooper ended his article correctly:

"A decade’s worth of lip service to a new politics tossed into the trash for some old-fashioned union patronage at LAX. Hurrah."

The new politics being a latino-labor coalition that would bring progressive politics to Los Angeles, which he claims Antonio was to lead.

Even he recognizes that it was all "lip service". What is Villaraigosa's role in this lip service?

Cooper doesn't give credit to Hahn for trying to reach out to all the communities of Los Angeles. He may not show the same results as others, say Villaraigosa, but that does not mean he doesn't try.

Cooper also fails to support his conclusory remarks, such as "But he’s [Villaraigosa] undeniably a much more pro-labor candidate as well. And a more liberal candidate. And apparently a more ethical one." Based on what? He sounds like MEAT, now.

More ethical? Antonio lies about not having money to his constituents for their projects and is now trying to paint himself as the cop's candidates after years of bashing them with the ACLU. Political expediency is not an ethical approach.

A much more pro-labor candidate than Hahn?? Based on what? Hahn does everything Labor asks of him and he gets knocked by Cooper. If Hahn walked on water, Cooper would criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

The County fed did not abandon Villaraigosa, they simply rewarded a loyal INCUMBENT politician and finally followed their long standing tradition of following the union that has jurisdiction. The City unions were snubbed in 2001 and this year the County Feds were principled and gutsy by telling a friend, he picked the wrong time to fight a pro-labor incumbent.

Cooper talks about Antonio's past good deeds and he sounds like he's living in the past when he talks about 1998's Proposition 5 and labors effort to unionize the Indian casinos. So what? Is that supppose to buy eternal loyalty against all opponents, even pro-labor ones? Give me a break.

Did Antonio abandond Labor when he voted against the Airport? No, and labor didn't abandon Antonio when they supported Hahn.

January 03, 2005 5:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

So you think i just go off on folks who disagree, i do not. I merely point out the facts, this whole time on this posting folks have yet to bring up any facts, just weak rhetoric.

I am tired of proving all you folks wrong everytime, please take the time to read the archives and see what i've said before in terms of actual facts.

Again i do not work for Antonio, nor am i anyone mentioned above, so have fun with the new year -- cause its going to be one sad year for all you Antonio bashers.

blog away.

January 03, 2005 9:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

IN today's LA Times "Inside Politics" they NAIL Antonio's new slogan on his website. "a better mayor for a better Los Angeles." Antonio stole that saying from Bob Dole and when he ran for prez in 1996. Antonio continues to lie. They NAIL Hertzb

January 03, 2005 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

IN today's LA Times "Inside Politics" they NAIL Antonio's new slogan on his website. "a better mayor for a better Los Angeles." Antonio stole that saying from Bob Dole and when he ran for prez in 1996. Antonio continues to lie. They NAIL Hertzb

January 03, 2005 9:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is why Antonio won't win or even be in the run off. People do not forget. Yeah yeah Meat whatever...go ahead with your bs.
In 1996, Mr. Villaraigosa wrote a letter asking the president for clemency for convicted drug dealer Carlos Vignali, a onetime rapper who was sentenced to 14 years in federal prison for running a cocaine-smuggling ring.
Mr. Villaraigosa has accepted large campaign contributions from Vignali´s family, both before and after writing the letter.

January 03, 2005 9:30 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So what iF Antonio stole Dole's slogan? Kerry did the same thing stealing CHeney's. The bigger question is did the mayor steal from the city coffers and how much did he steal???

January 03, 2005 5:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Kerry stole from Cheney? No wonder he didn't win.

January 03, 2005 6:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I am sure that Dick Cheney's daughter - who is, a lesbian - would agree.

January 03, 2005 9:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM: MEATBALL

I think MEAT was blowing smoke up Mayor Sam's ass claiming he would unmask himself. Freaking coward. He's no one. Just some Villaraigosa lover who craves attention. Too bad Mayor Sam was dumb enough to fall for it.

January 04, 2005 4:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT supposedly is a political junkie but only posts positive blogs on Antonio. All the candidates people say he's Ulysess Sanchez field staffer for Antonio. If he's not then why is he hiding behind a dorky name?

January 04, 2005 5:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Someone said Ulysses writes even worse than MEAT. I say its Ron Deaton.

January 04, 2005 5:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

the blogger is right,MEAT made a fool out of Mayor Sam, but in the end the bigger fool is MeAT He thinks he some playerz but not.

January 04, 2005 9:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT is nobody but an A.V. supporter. He only has real information on A.V. If he's such an insider, where's the info on Poopy, Bitter, Hugsberg and Alatorre,er Alarcon?

January 05, 2005 8:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Then let the people who monitor this blog from Hahn, Hertzberg, Parks and Alarcon's campaigns come out defending their bosses. We've heard from one staffer of the campaign listed above...how about the rest? Yusef are you out there? Come on Brian we need some more action than these guys always talking about Villaraigosa. You know who I am talking about. MEAT is the only one talking. But I doubt he is a Villaraigosa staffer. A supporter for sure...but not on the payroll.

January 05, 2005 9:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT = FOOL

January 05, 2005 12:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM CARNE ASADA:

Well, if the contest is still going according to the rules and guidelines stated, than we should all know that it's not Ulysses. So let's continue to guess who it is.

January 05, 2005 2:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When will you people learn? Meat is goofing on Mayor sam. He will not reveal who he is even if you had his matricula card. Meat is no one but some guy with a compter.

January 05, 2005 4:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

I really don't think you guys get it -- not that i can expect dum-dums such as yourselves to ever really come to your senses.

As for my writing skills being slammed on this sight, seems real relevant to the facts i serve up on a daily basis.

As for knowing stuff on Hertsberg, Alarcon and others -- I think it was "I" that posted first that hertzberg would propose to break up the LAUSD -- do your homework dum-dums. As for unveiling, Mayor Sam has an insurance a mutual friend will expose me if someone really guessed correctly, no one has and no one will, why? because you guys are all dum-dums. I am back from my vacation. We are all in the back of the refrigerator, the lights are off and i am about to serve you a helping of MEAT.

P.S. correct me if i am wrong -- but this posting about "MEAT" is the first over 100 comments.

blog away.

January 05, 2005 10:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

welcome back MEAT!!!!

The crazies were getting all weirded out with you MIA.

Please serve each one of these losers their daily helping of MEAT please.

January 06, 2005 12:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is Brian giving you all of Hertzberg's secrets, MEAT?

January 06, 2005 12:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT, watch out for mad cow disease, has a simple plan. Villaraigos'a people email him with all the info he should post on this site and he puts it into his own words. What a job! What a DUM-DUM!

January 06, 2005 12:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Does Brian give me Hertzberg secrets ---- ummmm NO. We are friends, but we know not to cross over and ask each other such things.

As for Antonio's campaign e-mailing me -- serious dum dum whoever posted that -- do Antonio's people know me??? yeah sure, do they know i post on this blog -- NOPE.

For whatever reason, folks keep on coming up with weird scenarios as to how i get my info, i'll tell you honestly -- when you know EVERYONE ALREADY getting info isn't that hard.

Most of the time, the inside scoops i get come from other political consultants who aren't affiliated with any campaign, so lets keep all the conspiracy stuff out.

January 06, 2005 1:18 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

Yes indeed Meat, you have led us to our first over 100 posting blog entry.

And be assured you have not played me for a fool, its the morons who don't understand you who are fools.

And to think many of them are runnnig this city!

Welcome back Meat!

January 06, 2005 2:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey Meat and CD14LOver. this is what your bright candidate said to press today after getting minor endorsement....A clean environment is the foundation of a livable community," the Eastside councilman said during a news conference outside the Department of Water and Power's downtown headquarters. "It's not a luxury. It is a necessity." What a lame ass! Doesn't he know that public safety is what makes a community livable. All he knows how to do is pick up a broom

January 06, 2005 4:13 PM  

Blogger CD14Lover said:

I do not think he is an Antonio staffer. His writing style is not rude. He knows too much info, does his homework and serves Antonio's interests well. This is the exact opposite of most Antonio staffers.

If you think I am kidding call his office and see the level of disrespect you get. Maybe you get better respect if you call from different Council Districts, I do not know. I can only speak from experience.

Good job MEAT. I do not agree with everything you say but you do serve Antonio well.

January 06, 2005 4:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Good grief!!! So Antonio says that a clean environment is a good thing -- i don't think there should be any apologies for someone that thinks the environment is a good thing. Just because everything coming out of Antonio's mouth isn't what YOU want to hear, doesn't mean that what he says has no merit. I suppose all the pollution that cause asthma in little kids should just go ignored while Antonio only concentrates on your percieved crime problem. I suppose that the transportation problem shouldn't be addressed until Antonio responds to the crazy homeless folks/activists recall request. I suppose that...why do even argue with you folks. I mean, i suppose creating Healthy Families which gives much needed healthcare to those kids with asthma should go ignored, or the fact that he revived the GOLD LINE to help with the city's/districts transportation problem should all of sudden be forgotten. Nevermind that Antonio unveiled a plan to add 1,600 more police to the city (a plan that Chief Bratton thinks is a good idea by the way) to help fight crime. Nevermind that Antonio was the single biggest contributor to Measure A -- perhaps if Hahn matched Antonio's contribution we'd be getting those cops by now. But alas, this Mayor needs to figure out ways to get all the IE's he can, damn the city, there's the Hahn name to protect. Daddy wouldn't like it if a Hahn ever lost...remember how the family ignored Janice when she lost her congressional race...can't happen to lil jimmy i suppose.

Lastly, thanks for the props CD14Lover.

blog away dum-dums.

January 06, 2005 9:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hmmm...Villaraigosa wants to create livable communities by cleaning the environment and adding more cops on the streets. It sounds like a plan to me. I wonder why everyone else is bashing him on that? I think Meat is right on this. Good try though to the guy or girl who posted those remarks attacking "livable communities." I noticed you posted your propaganda in almost every forum above. You almost had it, but the facts just hit your ass on the way out. Maybe next time! (NOT)

January 06, 2005 9:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some say Hahn actually held back raising money for measure A when Antonio put his $$$ into the campaign. He figured if it won, Antonio would get much of the credit. And this makes sense when you see that Hahn's guy Caruso is fronting the money for the city measure yet didn't give a dime to the county measure. If Hahn beleived in getting more cops he should have tapped his big supporters the first time.

January 06, 2005 9:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Everybody in L.A. politics is for a cleaner air, a better environment, more cops. Not just Villaraigosa. And if he had kept his word, and not run in this race, he would have kept that money in his bank account, Measure A or no Measure A. He's an opportunist. And you guys think we have to praise Antonio. No, we come to bury him in a recall - for what he hasn't done in the last 18 months. He vowed to stay in CD14 for a full 4 year term. He broke that vow. He promised to do a better job than Pacheco. How can you do better than somebody if you are out of the district, out of the state even, most of the time. Sixty-six days for Kerry. Many, many more for his own campaign. MEAT? You are bought and paid for by Villaraigosa. The recall is about integrity. Not about Hahn. Not about Pacheco. It's about breaking vows. It's about Villaraigosa.

January 06, 2005 9:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Bought and paid for am i? Ok buddy, whatever you say.

This recall is brought to you by....Hahn Hacks. Come on guys -- Crazy, have nothing better to do with themselves Nadar supporters who are homeless folks and who owe Hahn their City funding are behind this. If this is about Integrity than why don't you weirdos ever answer this charge, i keep on bringing it up over and over again, nevermind the fact that your website isn't even in the city, but Arizona. Outsiders being brought in to do someone elses dirty work.

Intergrity??? you are absolutely correct. I mean we are being investigated by the FBI, US Attorney, City Attorney, DA, City Controller, Ethics Commission and 2 Grand juries -- an administration so curruprt we have Frank Shaw to compare this mayor too. I make no apologies for Antonio having the Guts to stand up and be counted. Knowing full well that folks without all of their marbles could be tricked into doing the political dirty work of others, he knew dum-dums like you would do these sort of desperate manuevers to distract folks with and still he stands up.

Now Antonio will never, ever get down to the bowels of the political world you live in, fortunately for him, he doesn't haveto, because these bowels were created by me. I am at home, you are my visitor, home field advantage -- MEAT.

Recall away - i've already infiltrated your little group of lonely lonely people, theres nothing there, but fizz and even that is old.

blog away dum-dums -- don't trust anyone.

January 06, 2005 11:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What's with the Hannibal Lecter act MEAT. Is all this getting to you? "The bowels of the political world we live in..." What a DUM-DUM. Oh, Hahn is behind Hayes? Did't opposition research great Ace Smith tell you that Ted is suing Hahn. You guys are amateurs, and have persuaded a few people you know what's going on. God help us if Antonio wins with clowns like you doing his work in the "bowels of the political world".

January 07, 2005 1:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT? It's all coming undone for you. Everybody knows (except you it seems) that when you register a domain name the company you register with may have their network operations in Amsterdam, Anchorage or even Arizona. But talking about outsiders, as you were, what percentage of his campaign contributions does Antonio raise in the 14th district? 1%? 2%? 5%? Why, Antonio relies on outsiders, MEAT! Your "reputation" is going downhill fast, DUM-DUM. Frankly, you don't know what you're talking about most of the time.

January 07, 2005 1:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I keep hearing Tony was out of city 66 days of the year campaigning for Kerry. Has someone filled out a Public Information paper to get the answer? Council members are saying this is true. Tony keeps saying that his constituents told him to run for mayor although he broke his promise. Everyone I talk to in the 14th can't think of ONE person who would tell him that. There're all asking "where's the petitions." Meat, Tony didn't answer the recall papers. Meat, also your spin on Hahn behind the recall is crap. You insult us with your words. Citywide people know that's not true and you're the paid spin master for Tony. Better start looking for another job.

January 07, 2005 9:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Ted is not suing Hahn personally -- its the city.

Which really means nothing.

January 07, 2005 11:09 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That slab of MEAT? It's all FAT - and mostly between his ears. Bye, bye DUM-DUMS. (And, Mayor Sam, thanks for the use of your blog. We got other business to attend to now. We don't think too many CD14 voters come to this site.)

January 07, 2005 11:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So the anonymous blogger who never had anything constructive to contribute to this blog and never seemed to provide any solid evidence to their claims is finally gone??? I hope that's the case. Maybe now we can have productive discussions on real issues and they can move on to more important things.

January 07, 2005 1:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well as a resident in cd14 Im very disappointed in the way many problems/needs are delt with in our beautiful boyle height but as long as we continue to do nothing about the situation things will continue to go as they are up shit creek with the residents being left behind our community getting less our children getting shot at and our latino vote just being used when they need us we need to start waking up and holding our constituents accountable and when that happens we can clean house of all those wannabe in the office and start taking charge of our community but its never going to happen because everyone out there wants to see what they can benefit and just dont give a shit WE ARE A STEPPING STONE(BOYLE HEIGHTS)AND THAT IS THAT.

January 21, 2005 8:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is SHAWN BELL of Laguna Beach or Newport Beach.

February 13, 2006 3:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Interestingly, no. You've got the wrong meat, dumbass. With the exception of this particular post, I've never, ever posted anywhere on this site.

While I appreciate you taking the time to dig and post personal information about me, try actually doing some research first; I don't live in L.A. and have very little interest in the politics of the city, and - since you went to the effort to dig out personal information - you should CLEARLY know that what I write about isn't what this site is about.

You're an idiot. Find someone else to stalk.

Your pal,
Meat.

April 04, 2006 3:59 PM  

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