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Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Obama vs Clinton Democrats

I don't know why but I was copied on an exchange between pro-Clinton and pro-Obama Democrats and it got pretty nasty.  The names have been removed to protect the innocent:

A Clinton supporter sent out the following email blast:

For the past two months, it has become clear that Barack Obama is not a competitive contender against John McCain in the race for the White House. He has simply not been able to seal the deal. Democrats are worried, as we should be. We all want to see a Democrat in the White House, who stands up for our core democratic principles.

When she suspended her campaign, Hillary Clinton was ahead of John McCain in national polls by double digits. All signs suggest that she would be ahead of him right now, not consistently tied like Obama, if she were our presumptive nominee.

I firmly believe that we must elect Hillary Clinton as our Nominee if we want a Democrat in the White House. Barack Obama has proven to be unelectable. He is "sinking like a stone" in the swing states. He has alienated and lost his core supporters on his many compromises since early June. Many are wondering where their "candidate of change" has gone. Democratic registration decreased since Obama became our presumptive nominee. When he voted for FISA, thousands vowed to not vote for him in November. If he is the nominee, we will see thousands, even millionsof Democrats voting for John McCain in this most crucial election. Can we afford to select a candidate that is not a winner? Who did not seal the deal during the primaries and is still not doing so. It is a risk you as Democratic Leaders are taking. Hillary Clinton is not a risk. She stays true to her core Democratic platform and she is a champion, and she would win the White House. If you give her a chance.

Please vote for Hillary Clinton at the convention and bring us a White House Victory with a strong and electable democratic leader.

Thank you very much for your time.

A man who claims to have a Ph.D. was the first to respond:

I do not how you got my email but don't ever email me again! She did not win the primary and I intend on backing our presumptive candidate.

It's because of emails like this that I will never put a Clinton back in office. I will vote for McCain first!

(And last but not least, the timeless classic)

Fuck You.

(name removed)

Classy.  Yet another angry response from an Obama supporter:

Please don't ever email me with such an issue. thanks

Obama 08!!! Let's go change the world

You are indeed a great American. With people like you we wind up with president's like George Bush. Your divisive baloney is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Why can't you abide by the results of a fair primary process and accept the results. Thankfully you and only a few like you still expect to disrupt the Convention. Perhaps you can get some news media to follow your story line- most likely Fox. In the meantime the rest of us will nominate the next President of the United States, Barack Obama and you could either join us or cast your vote for McCain who doesn't share the same opinion on one issue as Hillary. Now go back and crawl under your shell.

And finally "Stephanie" whose email signature promises she gets results:

I'm all about unity and your sour grapes attitude is simply juvenille (sp).

You are sadly mistaken and misguided. The split in the Democratic Party which you condone and collude in will deliver the nation to McCain. Please take me off your e-mail list and I will take great joy in voting for Barack Obama.

I don't think so. I would never vote for Hellraiser.

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

The original "blaster" is very naive and will find him or herself a pretty lonely dissident at the Democratic convention next week. Even most Clintonistas are going to accept the verdict of the primaries and the convention.

As for whether Obama can win, it's no secret that there are voters across this country who'll have trouble voting for a black man no matter what they tell you right now. But there are plenty of others who don't have that problem and can't stomach the idea of another four years of Republican incompetence and bad policies.

To adapt the cliche, elections are not decided by neck-and-neck polls two months ahead of election day. It's close now, it'll probably be close in November. But a lot can, and will, happen between now and then.

August 20, 2008 4:39 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The last person in the reply chain says something that really pushes my buttons. Basically, 'you need to vote for the winner and be in the winner's club.' I hate this shit.

YOU need to vote for who you think will be the best person for the job.

Have some balls. Fuck the winners clubbers.

August 20, 2008 9:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I never thought that after the John Kerry meltdown, that the Democrats would figure out another way to blow a "sure thing."

The Obama folks should never have remarked that Hillary Clinton felt that the nomination was hers to inherit.

It looks now like Obama is guilty of the same thing, as this election is starting to seriously level out.

August 20, 2008 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How does it feel to see the Clinton machine hit your guy? So fun to watch.

August 20, 2008 9:30 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Clinton supporters are right -- he's been on the far left of his party and was only nominated because Nancy Pelosi and her kind, who's "normally" be in the Hillary camp agewise, wanted to show they're more "progressive" than that. But the voters aren't -- and his flame-out when he's not giving a speech like at Saddleback, worries the swing vote.

O's definitely losing in the polls the more people know about him and see him off the cuff, like Billary knew people would. He'll lose even more by the elections at this rate.

The way he played the race card while using race to his benefit was low (and why have we never seen white grandma? except in a photo when he threw her under the bus, a woman who defied her race's strong expectations to marry a black man and then raise their son with black paternal grandpa when dad split). The way he let Ferraro get trashed for telling the truth was low, too.

He promised illegals full legalization and drivers' licenses as a top priority to get their vote -- something Hillary wouldn't do because she saw how that went over in liberal New York state, it would never fly in the country. But Obama promises without intent to deliver -- just "get the vote."

And while I don't believe he's "an AArab" because of his name, one's formative years are very significant and this is someone who never grew up playing Little League or internalizing any of our American lifestyles. What he knew of it was in Hawaii, which I love, but its multicultural in a true way the rest of our country hasn't achieved -- so Obama's a lost soul, looking for identity with racist Rev. Wright, and other radical leftists -- and he's more studiously "American" than feels it in his soul. He's lost in the real America and people are feeling it. Michelle has a lot of negatives as openly resentful of America.

I'm insulted by polls that analzye women by under 40 ("pro Obama") or over ("pro Hillary, because they're more of feminist gen"), because we should be smart enough to vote the issues and if we like a candidate! Sadly, generalizations are still broadly true for blacks and Latinos: more likely Democratic, "except the Cubans," etc. But with that as an Obama core, if you factor in the rest, he's losing.

August 20, 2008 11:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I want Hillary. I'm way over 40, perhaps a bit of a feminist, never thought Obama could win, will vote for him, come from a state where people won't vote for him, understand that a vote for anybody but him is a vote for McCain, wishes Hillary could pull something big off at the convention, am a Dem who votes Dem only so I get the stupid "winners club" mentality which is why I voted for Hillary in the first place (I think she can win), agree with the poster who never thought the Dem party could fuck it up again after John Kerry - yet wasn't really shocked when they did and totally agree with the poster at 11:47.

I'm not sure what box I fit in. The boring box right now, you're thinking. I'm going to lunch.

August 20, 2008 1:08 PM  

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