Ass Clown for the month of May
Exploitation of children for political gain and self interest.This winner of the Ass Clown Award and his cohorts three years ago devise a scheme to take over a political body by creating a new pool of voters who were not old enough to drive, fight for their country, but used to achieve a margin of victory so that a big corporate interest and political allies could change the face of their community.
One community activist who witness this event saw students walk in to the polling place with a sheet of paper with names of candidates, then later learned that students who voted according to the list were given school credit by a school official who happen to be one of the candidates on the list.
Records show that out of some 600 votes cast in this Neighborhood Council Election close to 300 hundred were cast by students who had no idea how their vote would be use to affect the community.
Thus for the month of May we present the Ass Clown Award to David Galaviz and his allies on the Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council.
One must give credit to Zuma Dogg for exposing this scheme and the later abuses by the Galaviz led body. But now after his three year reign as President, word from Lincoln Heights is that Galaviz is being promote by USC to a lobbyist position thus will not run for re-election.
Leave it to the "four year community college on Fig." to award someone who brought ridicule to the Neighborhood Council system, and who in concert with Councilman Ed "Density in all communities" Reyes, and the Lincoln Heights Chamber of Commerce, create policy and projects that cause the community to rise up and organize to reclaim thier community as seen with the "Las Villas Controversy".
With Galaviz moving on, Jackie Goldberg crony Elena Popp is running for President on a slate with the likes of Erika Gallo, Frank Wada, Vera Padilla, "Vons Riley", Ernest Sanchez, Carolina Castillo and new to the team, former disgraced LAUSD candidate and convicted criminal Chris Arellano.
More on this election and assorted asses in the days ahead..............
Labels: Ass Clown Award, chris arellano, David Galaviz, ed reyes, elena popp, las villas, Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council
Posted by Red Spot in CD 14 @ 6/07/2008 07:45:00 AM
48 Comments:
i would like to divert everyone's attention from the corrupt politics of L.A. for a minute.. to the colossal, Romanesque spectacle at the Washington National Museum this morning! Is anyone watching this incredulous, ludicrous circus, complete with motorcades and throngs of adoring morons, who are waiting to greet their 'conquered' hero??? It's vomit-inducing!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY????
As Christopher Hitchens so aptly put it...'she is like the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction...she just keeps rising out of that bathtub'!!
This bitch has put the country through so much agony and torture...it's going to be impossible to recover! I'm having nightmares now...Fatal Attraction type nightmares! HELP!!!!!
another month goes by and still don quixote does not get his award.
This is funny because without Galaviz and all these others that SAVED THE COUNCIL FROM HUGO PACHECO AND HIS COHORTS, the council would have been killed three years ago.
Way to go Hugo Pacheco - the biggest wuss in the Eastside, Pacheco the Pigeon, for posting this.
Thanks for raising the profile of folks. WOOOOO HOOOOO!
More sour grapes from Hugo Pacheco the Pigeon, who lost the election three years ago. You should be commended, because if you would have stopped being an a-hole three years ago, and did some work WHEN YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL, none of this would have happened.
Hey Gutless one, grow a sack get out from behind your camera, stop taking notes, stop acting all high and mighty
Signed,
Catequil31
Here is some history on Pacheco the Pigeon:
The Third Annual "Just Shut Up" Awards
By David Salyer
January/February 2004
Every year, people all over the world say stridently stupid, misinformed or absurd things about HIV and AIDS. Here's a list of some folks who make you wonder what, if anything, they were thinking before they opened their mouths in 2003. Their comments are best met with three little words: Just shut up.
Hugo Pacheco. In an attempt to address HIV/AIDS denial in the Latino community, activists proposed a memorial to AIDS victims at Lincoln Park in the largely Latino Los Angeles community of Lincoln Heights. The project is envisioned as an expansive, permanent monument in a public setting that includes a rose garden, benches, a sculpture and panels with the names of victims -- Latinos as well as non-Latinos. The memorial is to be financed by state, city and private donors. But the nine-year project hit a snag when opponents, led by Lincoln Heights resident Hugo Pacheco, got all snarky about the appropriateness of the monument in a community park and the destruction of green space. "It's simply a case of taking up too much park space," said Pacheco, who really needs to get a life. "And why just AIDS? What about diabetes? It's a bigger thing than AIDS," he added, immediately weakening his own argument by drawing an irrelevant comparison between a communicable virus and a blood glucose disorder. Despite the foot in his mouth, Pacheco added, "A monument that may list 2,000 victims will make the park look like a cemetery. And if you're in the park with your kids, how do you start explaining AIDS to your kids?" Mr. Pacheco, who has no plans to create a diabetes memorial, is sadly oblivious to the real facts about HIV in his community. Latinos comprise 14% of the U.S. population, but account for 20% of all AIDS cases. Maybe it's not such a bad idea for Latino parents to start talking to their kids about HIV.
CASE #2 of why Galaviz did the right thing in dumping Pacheco the Pigeon, printed in the LA Weekly back in 2004:
Not in My Neighborhood Council
What can save L.A.’s broken neighborhood councils?
By Robert Greene
Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 12:00 am
Photos by Ted Soqui
The question before the house is whether to leave the tables as they are or come up with some new kind of arrangement.
Not the sort of issue you’d expect would rivet a crowd of neighborhood leaders at a dingy community center on a hot summer evening, but here they are. Should we line up the tables end to end? Cluster them in groups according to geographic area? Where should we seat the newly elected members? And who will swear them in? Simple-enough questions.
But this is Lincoln Heights, where nothing is simple.
“I would definitely suggest that the city councilman swear me in,” snarls Hugo Pacheco from the back row, toward Neighborhood Council President Oscar Garcia. “I would not like you to swear me in.”
Oh, no. Here we go. Again.
Garcia stiffens visibly and tries to move on with the meeting, but it’s too late. A man stands and shouts at Garcia. “There’s been a petition to recall you on the agenda since last November over your dereliction of duty,” he yells, as he demands to know the whereabouts of money from some rental arrangement. A couple of people who have been to plenty of these meetings and know trouble when they see it take off to look for the uniformed park ranger who was here earlier but now seems to have slipped away. Meanwhile, a man at the head table with Garcia rises and shouts back, and it becomes a free-for-all, with allegations about missing cash and charges of election fraud, fingers jabbed in the air, plastic water bottles held aloft. Then one bottle goes flying. And a woman with a bearing that suggests she is not to be trifled with strides into the middle of the fray.
“Okay,” the woman declares. “I run this center, and I ask you to leave. Right now.”
The room falls silent, and the grown men and women shuffle out, heads lowered, still muttering to each other. “You guys started it this time,” one hisses.
And so ends another meeting of the Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council, which has been unable to muster a quorum or deal with a single item on its agenda for nearly a year but continues to meet twice a month, every other Thursday at 6 p.m.
With the problem of young voters not exercising their right to vote in America due to apathy. Teaching kids now the importance of voting is awesome. Props to the high school official!!!!
Hey Pacheco the Pigeon - You should thank Galaviz for paying the rent of your neighborhood council. When you were on the council from 2002-2004 -you wouldn't EVEN PAY THE RENT OF THE MEETING ROOMS -- Galaviz and his so-called cronies paid it for you.
How 'bout thanking them. Mr. Pigeon?
CAtequil31
Spin exercise in progress.
Here is an easy comparision for you dolts -
Hugo Pacheco, the Pigeon's accomplishments during his tenure:
crickets, crickets, crickets, as in ZERO. The only thing they did was not spend a dime, thereby giving the Galaviz Council the ability to spend nearly $150,000 - I guess they should thank you for the extra money.
Hey Red Spot- there you are -where have you been? Given that you are a Pacheco the Pidgeon supporter and yourself running for president of the Boyle Heights NC.
Hope you get more than 5 votes.
Galaviz-led LHNC Accomplishments:
- New state of the art community marquee;
- over 40 community groups funded,
- Health fairs
- and many more.
Zuma exposed ZERO - he has never even attended anything in Lincoln Heights, except an event at Sacred Heart CHurch a few months ago.
Who cares about some Venice Homeless guy who gets kicked out of his own spot in favor of a machete juggler.
Props on padding your resume for Galaviz's old job as "Community Spinster".
Jack Weiss and his boyfriend Antonio are the perpetual Ass Clowns.
Isn't Weiss just a total pompous jackass? He really is, isn't he?
The arrogance to come this close to being recalled, to thinking he can continue to do nothing in Council, and get a new gig.
What‘s Hugo going to do now that Ft Mario is leaving? Oh I hope none of those phone calls to the IRS had anything to do with it? Or the taped anti las villas meetings found there way to the archdiocese. hehe and they thought they were the only ones who knew how to use a camera heheeeeeeee.
Don’t mess with Mahony! He can smell crazy religious freaks 20 miles away!
P.S I missed the beer stand at that fiesta! I hope the $6.67 you made goes to the Father M. Baker Legal fund.
Love
Sister Mary Clarence
P.S Obama/Mahony08!
So, is the rumor true that Father Mario is leaving Sacred Heart and going to another church?
I heard two rumors and I hope to hear some truth - the first is that he is leaving to go to a "bigger" church to position himself for Monsignor or something else.
The second, unfortunately, is that the Archciocese was upset because he and some "holy rollers" misled the community about a number of projects.
Any word on this?
Hey Redspot at 10:49 am - You may not like Galaviz and may consider him a spinmeister, but until you raise hundreds of thousands for local boys and girls clubs and raise more for local tutoring programs, keep your pie-hole quiet.
That Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council sounds pretty impressive and must be real important since it's consuming the lives of people like Hugo Pacheco. Does Hugo Pacheco have the Catholic spirit or what? Way to show it when you plan a huge celebration at Sacred Heart Church to celebrate the fall of Las Villas. You, our local Hitler (Father Mario) and all your army should be embarrassed.
Hey Mayor Sam - here is the truth:
When Pacheco the Pigeon was on the board (and did LESS THAN ZERO), the meetings were held in the Lincoln Heights Senior Citizens Center.
Pacheco the Pigeon was such a community cancer, that the Senior Citizens Center director kicked the entire board out and told them to never come back.
The only place that would accept the council was Lincoln High School. The reason for this was that not a few, but a huge majority of leaders and organizations outright refused to work with Pacheco the Pigeon and his cohorts. Aside from the church, no one wants anything to do with them.
At one of these meetings in the Senior Citizens Center, Pacheco and his cohorts were literally trying to instigate a fist fight.
Galaviz attended, saw this, starting meeting with folks and literally had to kick the Pigeon and his cohorts off the board.
Pacheco the Pigeon did this to himself - If he and his cronies hadn't disrupted council meetings FOR YEARS!!!, none of this would have occured.
The reason they lost the election by hundreds of votes was not because kids voted (which they tried to prove and they challenged, but DONE overruled them TWICE), but was because they have done nothing but create negative press.
It was real easy for those running against Pacheco the Pigeon to develop support for dozens of Lincoln Heights organizations. That is how they lost, not because kids voted.
Hey 4:20m yes I did hear that phone calls were made to the IRS.
I also heard that when many in the church are finding out how they were misled about Las Villas, they are getting upset.
Give Pacheco the Pigeon enough rope and he will hang himself.
There is a reason, even the few friends that he has call him the devil (seriously),
You may or not be right about Galaviz being worthy of the highly coveted ASC from Mayor Sams Blog.
But -- and this has always been one of my biggest beefs with you, Red Spot -- you just don't do any homework, or do less fact checking than spell checking. (OH, and if your "fact checking" is relaying on Zuma Dog's "exposure" of the scheme, well then you perhaps deserve to be nicked by what follows).
The hard cruel and absolute public record fact of your little "expose" and award is that it was original founding members of the LHNC (many of which comprised the board that Galaviz later unseated), that created the bylaws that ALLOW 16 year olds to vote in thre first place.
And, they are by far not the only NC to do so. They're not even the only NC on the eastside that does. in fact, one of the biggest cheerleaders for NCs in the city, Janice Hahn, has been preaching to them for years that every NC should allow teens to vote.
So, that basically kills your main criticism and your stated rationale for giving this newer president of LHNC this award. What happened 3 years ago with the "newer" LHNC board, happened 5 years ago with its first board, EXACTLY the same way, and by the bylaws both groups are sworn to uphold (and neither bothered to change after their election) - only different people won.
There was no "new pool of voters" in fact high school kids made up pretty the same percentage of the voters in the first election in LH -- about half, and they were also given school credit for doing so that time.
The only real difference was whose idea it was to allow this in the first place -- something you can't blame on the group that won the election 3 years ago. Most weren't even around.
And your certainly not going to retract this completely innaccurate criticism by pointing out that is was board #1, that a) created the not-new "scheme" and b) renewed it for the NEXT election they just happened to lose.
I don't give a rat's patootie about either side, but if the first board wasn't nailed to the wall for both a) and b) above, then the current one sure and hell shouldn't be for simply doing b) with better all round turnout (something most of NCs in the city can't seem to muster from one year to the next).
Whatever your other beefs about this board, in terms of nailing them to the wall for the election that seated them, you missed by a bleeding mile, Red Spot.
Not even close. OH, and you were also aiming at the wrong target.
How come it's "spin" when one side is telling partial truths to make their case, but it's an "expose" when the other side does.
Play fair, little children. You'll stand much less chance of stepping in your own bullshit.
Hugo Pacheco and his cockroaches will all lose Thursday because the neighborhood council Lincoln Heights has now has done more for our community than that disgusting man will ever do in his lifetime. Glad Father Mario is out the door. I'm sure it's no coincidence. They should bring back Mike Baker. He's got more intellect than that fool Father Mario and his leader Pacheco.
I happen to be handed a flyer at Mass - Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Coalition? HAHA! Pathetic. Next thing we know is that they'll be bussing people to the election just like they got their pathetic cockroaches to jump on the school bus and invade the Las Villas meeting at Romona Hall.
I wonder if Rocio will be making tacos in front of Lincoln, the polling location, to try to get votes.
Pathetic.
"Zuma exposed ZERO" [Excuse me, thank you Red Spot for reminding me of this story I broke over a year ago about the school kids being sent to vote in the NC elections. But this noodle-brain loser could never admit it. (It's on the internet dumbass. Go find it before you further humiliate yourself by being so wrong. YES, I BELIEVE I BROKE THAT STORY. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME, LOSER.
"He has never even attended anything in Lincoln Heights, except an event at Sacred Heart Church a few months ago." [Because you are aware of all my movements in the city and are aware of everything I attend. WOW, we have a ZD GPS device in our presence.
And thanks for reminding me about Machete boy. I didn't see him today at Venice Beach. But since you reminded me, remember your boy will never be governor, because convicted felons may not serve as governor, Zuma Dogg will get more votes than Antonio in the next election, the City of L.A. is vulnerable for a RICO/Racketeering lawsuit over:
a) Towing subcontract
b) Deadbeat Dad/Collection Agency Subcontract
c) Sidewalk scam. 1) Build the sidewalk. 2) Find a problem with the sidewalk. 3) Break apart sidewalk so you can 4) Re-build a new sidewalk.
THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY. As soon as I told someone about the sidewalk racket, they told me they are a construction worker and just tore down a perfectly good bathroom facility at one of the parks.
The worker claims there was nothing wrong with the building, but it was torn down. (I guess they want to get paid to tear it down and re-build a new one.)
THIS CITY IS GOING UNDER DUE TO RICO/RACKETEERING THAT ROBS THE CITY OF MORE MONEY THAN ANYTHING.
(Thanks for stirring me up.)
AND IF THERE ARE ANY ATTORNEYS OUT THERE: HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ROCKY DELGADILLO AND HIS CRONY FROM EAST LA HOUSING AUTHORITY LOCKED UP FOR JURY TAMPERING AND PERJURY?
I GOT THE FACTS THAT WILL LEAD TO THEIR CONVICTION. Just need some legal representation.
c)
You should read other people's posts before you defend yourself Zuma, you just end up digging your moron status deeper into your psyche.
So, you BROKE the story a year ago that school kids were voting in Lincoln Heights??
Funny, I thought the LHNC's published and approved BYLAWS "broke" broke the story in 2002 WHEN THEY WERE ACCEPTED by DONE and BONC, and in that first election that year when nearly HALF the voters were high schoolers.
Just because your just catching up from things that happened before anyone in the city ever heard your fake name don't make you a "story breaker."
Did you also break the story a year ago that NEIL ARMSTRONG STEPPED ON THE MOON in 1969??
Regurgitating public record years after it happens, AINT breaking any stories except for make believe "reporters" telling ancient history to other idiots who've been sleepin g through the process. Three years after Lincoln Heights held its FIRST election in 2002 and had half of the voters come over from the HS, the closest NC to them, Cypress Park had three times as many kids vote in their election, some as young as 8 or 10, and most of them didn't even live in that community, they just play futbol there. And, yes, they came in with pieces of paper from the guy who runs the soccer league there, telling them WHO to vote for, and HE was on the ballot, and HE got more votes than anyone.
That's an even better story, but maybe it's too RECENT (2005) to be news you can "BREAK".
LHNC is an amateur when it comes to having kiddies vote, and in each case it was the organizing group that allowed it because they thought it would give them an edge. (Then they scream foul when someone else wins the next time).
Let us know when you catch up. LOTS of NCs allow kids to vote, and the city government encourages it, because it makes us look more DIVERSE!
One does need to note that the students in this case were only given input on one group of candidates running for this council.
Why did the school not allow for a candidate forum where all candidates had a chance to state there platforms?
Plus lets not gloss over the allegation that a certain school official was offering "credit" in exchange for voting for her and the "ACTION TEAM".
Then there is the issue of voting to authorize funding for events which certain council members or their employers have a vested interest.
More on that later.
Yes and more on how the church is telling 80 year old ladies where to sign and how to VOTE! Hmmmm separation of church and state???? Even though it’s a small local election Evidence has been mailed to the IRS office =) plus Monsignor G!!!!
But I can’t wait for the election Mary Pacheco always wears some fabulous number. I can‘t even imagine what latest Wal mart creation she will be wearing!
OH OH and I am voting for Robert Vega! He loves to get elected and the quit by the 2nd meeting Just like the true drama Queen! Yes Robert we all know you’re a friend of Dorothy ! I wonder if he's X Clover home boys are coming to vote for him?
XoXo
Blanche Devereaux
WHAT DO THOSE DRUGES KNOW AT LHS THEY JUST WANT TO GET THERE CREDITS AND GET OUT. THEY WILL VOTE FOR ANYBODY THAT WILL GIVE THEM EXTRA CREDIT!!!!!!!!
Zuma - I am actually a fan of yours and Dowd (that dude can really play), but here is one more tasty morsel that you and Mayor Sam overlooked in your "investigations":
- In the elections before 2004, Pacheco and his cronies actually were able to get EIGHT YEAR OLD VOTERS TO THE POLLS. They are conveniently forgetting to tell you this.
Before you start your "investigations" you should look at how the Galaviz council functions, don't rely on red spot or Pacheco the pigeon.
This is the truth baby - Pacheco the pigeon is against kids voting when they don't vote for him, but is ok with it when they vote for his folks.
Red Spot - Get of your meds. What case are you talking about? Stay in Boyle Heights. You have only been to a few meetings, you regurgitate the same Pacheco the Pigeon BS and don't know the whole story.
In past years, there have been candidates forums and all sides were welcome to attend.
This year, the candidates forum was cancelled because, not enough of the candidates knew about it, and it was Galaviz who pulled the plug because not enough outreach was done.
In regards to voting to authorize funding, anyone who has a stake has to recuse him/herself - end of story, if you attended more meetings, you would have seen that, but you don't, so keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.
No doubt, if Pacheco the Pigeon and his cronies win they will spend a few meetings attacking the previous council, saying they did this and that, blah, blah, blah.
None of it will be true, but they will do this.
HEY ZUMA AND MAYOR SAM --
Here is your next scoop -
No doubt, if Pacheco the Pigeon and his cronies win they will spend a few meetings attacking the previous council, saying they did this and that, blah, blah, blah.
Galaviz and his cronies will be acccused of spending money to benefit themselves, the Pacheco Pigeons will act shocked, shocked, shocked that any of this can happen.
They will try to hold hearings to get to the bottom of things. They will huff and puff for a few meetings.
You idiots will buy this BS, go after Galaviz a few times.
But then, the Pigeon and his folks will have to work, they will end up fighting, some will quit, and their council will begin a quick downward spiral.
There is your scoop. No doubt, it will be Galaviz, Bradley, or Sekular's fault. Hell, I am sure Carole Jacquez will have something to do with it.
None of it will be true, but they will do this.
11:08
Still spinning because you got caught doing NO homework, huh Red Spot?
Admit it, you got suckered in by ONE SIDE on an issue, and reported a bunch of hooey as fact. I'll bet your "follow-up" is scuttled for the exact same reasons (how about some balanced truth with it this time).
Nailed. Busted. Admit it. You got swung like a dead cat.
The LH Nieghborhood Council DID have candidate forums that ANY of the voters - including the school kids, COULD have attended if they cared to case an informed vote.
Nothing says that they have to have SPECIAL forums for certain age groups. Most NC candidate forums are so poorly attended your lucky if 1 in 50 voters even shows, plus half the candidates stay home (because they KNOW none of the voters will be there).
You also can't produce one shred of evidence that someone was given credit for voting FOR a specific candidate or group. They were only given credit FOR voting in the election, period.
Hell, if my high school teachers told me to vote for them, I'd go vote AGAINST them and STILL get the credit. How many HS teachers did you have that weren't dorks themselves??
It's still a secret ballot, and so no one has any way of knowing if those kids voted FOR or AGAINST their school official, or NOT AT ALL for that office. The MAIN thing that LHNC kid voters go to vote for is the YOUTH representative on the board -- usually one of their fellow students, anyway.
And as for "voting to authorize funding for events which certain council members or their employers have a vested interest" . . .
PLEASE, that's EVERY damn NC, including my own. And if you really are from Boyle Heights, as the bloggers here accuse, then I can go into YOUR receipts on the DONE Website, right now and find handfuls of examples of just that same thing there.
Be careful what you accuse other NCs of. I have yet to see any NCs in my area host events that somebody on the board wasn't benefitting from -- either getting free publicity for themselves, their business, or organization (at taxpayers expense), getting part of their own expenses covered for an event this used to cover all costs of, or, or even being paid as a vendor for event-related services.
So FEW people know about NCs in most communities, the ONLY people that come and ask them to pay for events are board members tied to the event.
5:09
No "8 year olds" voted. That's a lie.
The election was handled by an independent administrator. The rules said "16 and over" and only HS kids voted. (There were only about 100 votes total, anyway).
It's a flat out lie, 5:09. I was there the whole time, and no one that young was even in the building at the LH Senior Center that whole evening.
Did I mention it was a complete lie?
So, since pretty much everything that Red Spot reported here turned out to be false, can this guy Galaviz get unelected as "Ass Clown" or is the explanation just cover for nominating people you hate politically?
I nominate Red Spot to take his place for reporting 100 percent falsehoods, based on lies and rumors, with no facts to back it up and complete and open public records to disprove it.
But, that'll never happen will it? You don't have to retract lies and smear when you'd hiding behind a fake ID, like Red Spot.
Yo 9:52, sorry, it is not a lie.
8 year olds voted.
Also, since you were on the council before this Galaviz was elected, what did you accomplish?
Also, since you mention Independent Election Administrators, they also handled the 2004 or 05 election, that you all say was tainted by fraud and abuse.
This the same IEA that Pacheco the Pigeon and cohorts challenged, and lost.
Hey 9:52 am - You also just proved that you were involved in an election in which HS kids voted.
you stated: "and only HS kids voted anyway"
Your direct quote:
The election was handled by an independent administrator. The rules said "16 and over" and only HS kids voted. (There were only about 100 votes total, anyway).
Don't let Pacheco the Pigeon find out, or they will run you out of town on a rail.
10:09
NOPE, sorry, you're wrong.
I wasn't on the council, and I'm not on it now, and I know very few people involved on either side. I don't give a sh*t who won on either side, only that people are telling lies about the vote at the LHNC first election, and making it look like what happened in the second election was something odd and not legal.
THEY WERE THE SAME, in terms of rules and who could vote. The only difference was turnout - only about 100 in election #1, and something like 600 in #2, and BOTH TIMES, HS kids voted and made up nearly half the turnout.
Because they COULD, it was LEGAL and ENCOURAGED by some city leaders for NCs to lower the voting age. Some did - LHNC did, Cypress Park did, to name just two.
NO 8-YEAR OLDS VOTED in LHNC the first year.
NO 9-YEAR OLDS VOTED.
NO 10-YEAR OLDS VOTED, etc., etc.
HS students, all 16+ (mostly seniors actually) voted and that was it. The rest of the 100+ total voters were all old enough to vote in general, non-NC elections.
I was there, I wasn't a candidate, and I would take a lie detector test, swear on a stack of bibles, or on your grandmother's grave, whatever would help your tiny brain understand.
Rules would not allow 8 year olds to vote, and there wasn't even anyone that young on the premises at any point.
Period. Produce proof, otherwise?
I never left the building the whole time (and YOU couldn't even remember what year it was -- just "before 2004")
It was 2002. It went by the book, according to DONE approved bylaws and election procedures, and a few dozen HS students voted and got school credit - just like the current claim from Red Spot.
OH, did I mention that NO 8-YEAR-OLDS VOTED?
Also, you're still a liar.
Big screw-up on this one, Red Spot.
It's getting harder and harder to take your snipes at other community activists serious when you get nailed so easily and quickly as being completely wrong on stuff you accuse them of with no proof.
I don't think it's right to call people liars just because they claim something happened that didn't.
It's just as likely that the person who gave them the false information in the first place was the liar, and not the person who posted the false information here. Or that it's been handed down through many people who just believe anything they're told.
Don't be so harsh.
It's true that people who ignorantly spread unfounded gossip can do just as much harm as liars, without really lying themselves.
but it's not a crime in this country to be a gullible partisan. If it were, most voters would be in jail, on all sides.
Steven and Ray - you guys are full of shit.
Wet Spot has a lot of nerve calling someone else an Ass Clown.
2 ass clown. beside David Galaviz?
Maybe it isn't really an "Ass Clown" award?
Who can tell with Red Spot's spelling.
hahahaha - Wet Dog
I guess eventually lies come and bite you in the ass.
Do you think the Sacred Heart folk will bus in Mike Baker and his neighbor inmates to vote for their slate?
David Galaviz you are the Mike Baker of Lincoln Heights. Nice to see you and the rest of city council at the pride parade in west hollywood, you all look good in tights.
Leave it to Pacheco, Vega or that fat ass from the voice to leave homophobe comments. Their ignorance and hatred is just buying them more points in hell. Keep it up!
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