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Saturday, March 29, 2008

Right, Wrong and/or "Mean-Spirited" on Immigration?

immigration policy


The Sacramento Bee sent out a PM Alert email last night entitled "'Mean-spirited bills will accomplish nothing." I immediately thought "Okay, that's code language. What are we blaming Republicans for this time?" since we rarely see "mean-spirited" as an adjective before Democrats or Democratic bills. My guess was something related to immigration and sure enough, I was right; it's the last line in their editorial today. I'll let you decide for yourself whether the Assembly bills are "mean-spirited," the right approach or don't go far enough. I was just having a Lakoff/Luntz moment.

Dr. Frank Luntz

Governor, president get immigration right

Editorial
The Sacramento Bee
Saturday, March 29, 2008

Say this for President Bush: He understands the roots of illegal immigration in the United States. As he has said, citizenship lines are "too long, and our current limits on legal immigration are too low." He tried to work with Congress to increase the number of green cards that can lead to citizenship.

Congress, alas, failed to enact reforms, so illegal immigration continues to be driven by perpetual backlogs and unrealistically low quotas. Not surprisingly, many families and employers take matters into their own hands, evading the law due to a lack of legal options.

But instead of pressing the president and Congress to create a workable national immigration system, Republicans in the state Legislature are promoting bills that would have California take it upon itself to punish employers seeking workers and foreigners seeking U.S. residence.

Here's a sample of the proposed craziness: Revoke business licenses for employers who hire undocumented workers (Assembly Bill 2421); make illegal immigration a trigger for the governor to declare a state of emergency (Assembly Bill 2812); forbid Los Angeles and San Francisco from declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" (Assembly Bill 2420); forbid local governments from providing services to undocumented residents (Assembly Bill 3X20). And don't forget to punish children: Support repeal of birthright citizenship in the Constitution (Assembly Bill 44); forbid California high school graduates from paying in-state college tuition if their parents entered the state illegally (Assembly Bill 1758).

Fortunately, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't playing that game. He said Wednesday, "There is, you know, always a time like this where you start pointing the finger at various different elements. … I can guarantee you, I have been now four years in office in Sacramento. I don't think that illegal immigration has created the mess that we are in."

If legislators want to reduce illegal immigration, they should press Congress to reform the nation's legal immigration system. Their mean- spirited bills will accomplish nothing.

(emphasis added)

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35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What does "mean spirited" have to do with anything????

We have existing immigration laws that are being totally ignored! And we have lawmakers who are lawbreakers by not enforcing those laws!!!

"Immigration reform" is translated very simply....REWARD THE 38 MILLION LAWBREAKERS WITH INSTANT, BLANKET AMNESTY!

The solution is simple...CALL ICE! Start immigration sweeps again! Throw them out of this country! What the hell is so complicated about this????

ENFORCE THE EXITING LAWS!!!!

March 29, 2008 1:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes CALL ICE.

Ask ICE about their agents raping female immigrants or bribing them for sex at the border.

March 29, 2008 2:12 PM  

Blogger Don Culo said:

Pinche republicans and gavachos are a bunch of red-neck racists!!!

March 29, 2008 2:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ed HeadUpHisAss would just open the spigot, let any damn slug come over the border and sign up for welfare so he can have a job.

The gavachos, Mexicans who've lived here for generations and others are tired of the mexi-pests coming over the border and turning LA into a third world nation. This used to be a clean, nice city. Now the bums make a mess on every corner.

Ed HeadUpYourSphincter - how about we let these people in once they've been trained IN THEIR COUNTRY how to be a responsible American. Then they must come with a job waiting.

No welfare Ed Dickhead.

March 29, 2008 3:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Don Quixote I hope some rednecks kick your racist ass!

March 29, 2008 3:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Somebody learned how to copy and paste entire columns. Congratulations. But why not just create your own column. Now that's providing value.

March 29, 2008 3:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As usual Ed HeadUpAss tellings how "mean spirited" anybody who opposes illegal immgration has to be. A little spanish lesson (Ed no seas tan pendejo). This latino has two eyes and can see what is happening in Los Angeles. Does Ed really expect the problems of L.A. to improve with our constant invasion of poor illegal immigrants.

Here is another "litte bonus" illegal immigration has brought to L.A. Guess which country has the most kidnappings in the world, and it is now happening here in this country. Idiots like Ed, need to talk to a few Latino gang cops to learn some hard facts.


http://www.presstelegram.com/ci_8736835?

Man, 47, kidnapped in Long Beach

LONG BEACH - Kidnappers are demanding ransom for a 47-year-old man forcibly hustled from his North Long Beach auto repair shop, police said Friday. The man, Maurilio "Willie" Robles, hasn't been seen since he was shoved into a gold import sedan shortly before 3:30 p.m. Thursday in the 2300 block of East 70th Street. "Detectives are trying to figure it out," said Long Beach Police Officer Jackie Bezart. "The way it was described was that he was led from the location and it was clear he was not going willingly." Witnesses said Robles was approached by three male Hispanics inside the shop and forced to leave, although he didn't fight with the kidnappers, Bezart said. Robles and the suspects were last seen leaving the scene in a gold Mazda or Nissan Maxima sedan. Another suspect was spotted driving off in a newer Dodge four-door pickup truck. The truck was painted two-tone black and charcoal gray. Robles is described as 5 feet 11 inches, 180 pounds, brown eyes with dark hair graying at the temples. He was wearing gray pants and a short-sleeve khaki shirt with his name sewn on the front.

March 29, 2008 3:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Don't forget this other lovely story about a mexican gang burning a man in the middle of a busy street in East Los Angeles. Another great benefit of un-controlled immigration into East Los Abgeles. It won't be long before drug cartels are running L.A. politics.

http://www.latimes.com

Ex Gang Cop Sgt. Valdemar

March 29, 2008 4:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I cant get a job, benefits, school, etc. I think these are all should be passed except AB 2815. Who thought up that turkey!

Revoke business licenses for employers who hire undocumented workers (Assembly Bill 2421) YES!

Make illegal immigration a trigger for the governor to declare a state of emergency (Assembly Bill 2812) NO!

Forbid Los Angeles and San Francisco from declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" (Assembly Bill 2420) YES, YES, YES,

Forbid local governments from providing services to undocumented residents (Assembly Bill 3X20). YES! YES! YES!

Support repeal of birthright citizenship in the Constitution (Assembly Bill 44); YES! YES! YES!

Forbid California high school graduates from paying in-state college tuition if their parents entered the state illegally (Assembly Bill 1758).YES! YES! YES!

March 29, 2008 4:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How can one woman have that much hatred and still be a part of the human race?

March 29, 2008 4:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The trouble with this city is that most residents don't have time to post vitriol about kicking someone's ass because he's a Mexican. Unfortunately, most people here don't have subhuman hatemongering agendas. They have complaints about our politicians, but they also work hard, enjoy L.A., their lives, friends, and they make a decent living. It's painfully obvious that Gasbag 1:57 3:11 3:12 3:16 3:29 4:25 4:28 isn't one of them.

March 29, 2008 4:55 PM  

Anonymous Terry said:

Nothing but ad hominem arguments from the Sacramento Bee S.

By the way, check out Sam Quinones' front page article in the LAT today. The one about the neighborhood ruined by the illegal alien who spawned 13 anchor babies, several of whom grew up to be teenaged felons.

March 29, 2008 5:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This one: A familial mean street

March 29, 2008 5:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

5:05,what do you do for fun when your not posting up some hateful and vitriolic verbiage, sit around and pull the wings off butterfly's?

March 29, 2008 5:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don Quackers what do you do when your not defending every low-life cholo and every illegal alien in the country?

I remember you telling us the cholo Pedro Espinoza who killed Jamiel Shaw, was the "Victim" of the republicans and that the government which did not properly raise illegal alien Pedro Espinoza.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GbYsUlG00P4

March 29, 2008 6:05 PM  

Anonymous jethro said:

Sam Quinones of the Los Angeles Times is a great reporter!!!

Si Se Puede, Sam Quinones, que dios te bendiga Sr. Quinones. Don Culo que dices del reportero Sr. Quinones?

I wonder if Sam Q. is really anony-mousa, from Mayor Sam's blog. lol

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-drewstreet30mar30,0,2866478.story

"An illegal immigrant and mother of 13, Leon has a lengthy arrest record and three convictions for drug-related crimes -- for which she's served no prison time, according to court documents. She declined to be interviewed for this story."

March 29, 2008 6:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder if Sam Q. is really anony-mousa, from Mayor Sam's blog. lol

Not a chance in hell. Sam Q. has compassion for the Hipanic residents on Drew street. You read it wrong. He's a great reporter and he isn't a nut. Thats you anonymousa and its more believable that Sam Q. is one of the bloggers posting up that your a shameful bigot.

March 29, 2008 6:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sam Quinones is a confused individual and the go to guy for the LA Times on all things Mexican and bad!!!!
could be?

March 29, 2008 9:05 PM  

Anonymous homer said:

6:44,what do you do for fun when your not posting up some hateful and vitriolic verbiage about Anony-Mousa, sit around and pull the wings off other unknown enimies? lol, a la verga

I see the evil Anony-Mousa under your bed, hurry quick Anony-Mousa is hiding in the closet, oh no Anony-Mousa is behind you.

Run, run, run it's Anony-Mousa

March 29, 2008 9:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

is cryloser copycat another symptom of your mental disease?

March 29, 2008 9:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Load up the busses ship them all back to Mexico and lock the gate it’s as easy as that
Nothing more needs to be said .

March 29, 2008 10:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bigoted nut.

March 29, 2008 10:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymousa Shar Pei Face Petra Fried Hater In The City.

March 29, 2008 10:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I see the evil Anony-Mousa under your bed, hurry quick Anony-Mousa is hiding in the closet, oh no Anony-Mousa is behind you.

Run, run, run Don Quackers, it's Anony-Mousa !!!!

March 29, 2008 11:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam,

Great blog you have, but change the name to Don Quackers VS. anony-mousa and their dumb boring comments. And you thought it was Zuma who was taking your blog through the mud.

March 30, 2008 5:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When LA has a bunch of idiot politicans supporting and telling the illegals they have rights what do you expect but a 3rd world situation? Antonio, Garcetti, Alarcon, Huizar, Reyes, Cardenas and the rest of the morons don't have to live amongst the flith, blight, trash, illegal vendors, gangs so of course they act as if they're doing the illegals a favor. Let me become a victim of a crime from an illegal drunk driver, felon, robbery and maybe they'll get a clue. Our politicans have no class, no clue, no leadership and we're stuck with their sorry asses for more years.

March 30, 2008 7:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

^^^^^^^^^^
Anony-Mousa with the shar-pei face, how many times are you going to write your vile vitriol about the great mexican immigrants of Los Angeles and the great leaders which represent them.

Anony-Mousa you are a nut-case who only talks about mexicans, did a hansome mexican caballero dump you ugly shar-pei face? lol

March 30, 2008 8:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"How can one woman have that much hatred and still be a part of the human race?

March 29, 2008 4:33 PM'

What hatred is she expousing? She didnt bring up the bills; she is agreeing with them. She's not deporting everyone, just conforming to the law and stopping handouts.

Do you think any and all illegal undocumented aliens should have all of the benefits of this country just because they came here without documents? What about the Lebanese, and Russians and French. There are just as many of them (unseen) as the South and Central Americans.

March 30, 2008 8:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anony-Mousa Los Angeles has problems because of the republicans and George Bush and trickle down economics.

The Mexican politicians will fix all the problems in Los Angeles in a few years.

March 30, 2008 8:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jail all employers who employ illegal aliens.

Nothing more need be done.

That includers the guys who pick up casual labor in the morning for grunt contruction jobs as well.

March 30, 2008 10:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Then who'll do the grunting for beans?

March 30, 2008 10:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stop the vitriol!Anonymousa Sharpei Face toiled, frets her bald head that the vitriol of accusations against Anonymousa must be put to end.Anonymousa Sharpei Face accuses Sam Q. for her vitriol. Why do you not care to believe it? The illegals gangs are at her doorstep. And Alas her mirror cracked.

March 30, 2008 10:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"An illegal immigrant and mother of 13, Leon has a lengthy arrest record and three convictions for drug-related crimes -- for which she's served no prison time, according to court documents. She declined to be interviewed for this story."

March 29, 2008 6:12 PM"

She was incarcerated for a short time and released...too many kids to care for. She was deported once. She came back. Why hasnt she been deported again or incarcerated for 10 years, then deported.

March 30, 2008 11:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Her mirror cracked twice today.

March 30, 2008 9:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Its hard to grunt for beans when your mirror is cracked. Only one messican cracks a mirror like that. It's that Dorian Gray guy..

March 31, 2008 10:34 AM  

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