Jack Hoff's Talk O' The Town
Posted by Anonymous @ 3/31/2008 11:51:00 AM
Monday, March 31, 2008
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Higby and Hoff. "Here's Another Fine Mess"
They never made a $35 million override in any movie they played in.
The Laurel and Hardy thing ain't workin'.
I am deeply troubled by the perpetuation of negative stereotypes about white males in this image.
12:28p -- and you think the city's approach to LAUSD payroll and the gang issue IS "workin"?
Feel free to explain, but I ain't buyin'.
What I don't understand right now is Laura Chick's reluctance to push Cardenas and the Ad Hoc Gangs committee either into action or over a cliff. What happened? Why a 30-minute "private meeting"? From day one of this committee, the MOST obvious thing was that they would set up an intra-city division to coordinate gangs programs. That all conflicting parties are interested in calling it a "crisis" without actually working in crisis mode is not surprising -- but making me increasingly cynical about prospects for either approach.
Oh don't be so stinkin' serious Hoff. You don't cut it as a actual critic.
Just post funny pictures and captions that don't jive in any way.
Conrad you ain't!
Chick's refusal to show up in "Cardenas'" committee was understandable -- she didn't want to appear a supplicant, at his disposal. Anyone else, the Councilmember calls and they have to go. But we'll see if anything comes out of this "private meeting." This whole thing is pitting the Mayor and CM's against each other. Cardenas is going to have to back down since Bratton has effectively expressed no confidence in him by siding with MAV/Chick. And Cardenas admitted in Council he's been utterly ineffective in even making his own street safer.
However, I can see him seeing Chick as an interloper with no gang background, who just presented reworked reports from Rice etc. -- althemore reason to give the authority to the Mayor, above them both.
1:11, thanks for explaining it so well to 1:10. I couldn't have done it better myself.
Anybody have any idea as to why the Mayor isn't stepping into the gang division fray on a more public basis, or is it becoming too apparent to him and his staff that his "mini-school district" is far more complex than he ever imagined?
Where's the F%&#in AUDIT??
Jack Hoff I am amazed by your talent and your contributions to Mayor Sam. Absolutely incredible. Please do feel free to comment on my post in your brilliant comments on people's comments.
What ever happened to the gang czar "Jeff Carr" appointed by Mayor Tony V ?
What is this latest bullshit with Cardenas and CHick?
RS CD 14 is right, lets make these so called representitives put all the cards on the table, including an independent audit by an independent accounting firm, and the people should demand that the buck stops with Mayor Tony V.
If not then we should call for State or Federal oversight on this crap.
I for one am sick of all the petty power struggles and hair pulling while nothing gets done.
Cardenas really gets the complexities of working with gangs. I praise him for making sure it is comprehensive and carefully organized.
Someone should audit the Controller to see how much money is spent on outside suditors. Her office doesn't perform audits.
Hang in there Tony.
Good to see a Tony Cardenas supporter weighing in. You are always welcome here.
Taking the controller out of the mix, do you feel Cardenas is handling his chairmanship of the gangs committee in as urgent a manner as possible or in as political a manner as possible?
Is there a timeline with a targeted date for action? We've been waiting since October for this committee to deliver.
Notice Chicks audits and recommendations are always generalities that anyone can figure out without spending time.
They are never substanative and specific. I get fortune cookies that are more specific.
Maybe Cardenas knows having Carr in the Mayor's office is having the problem continue to go nowhere.
Jack, I think you're right that the Mayor is ambivalent about taking the heat for the whole gang issue -- he'd agreed to it, but the downside is, right now he and Bratton are having to admit that the gang violence is worse so far this year, and that there is a racial aspect to it. Per an LA Times recent report, there are 3X as many Latinos killing blacks as vv. Not that the Bloods/Crips/Grape Street aren't awful, too -- I can see why they don't want to just point fingers in one direction and let the blacks off the hook.
But you can't hide that the worst of the worst are disproportionately illegals honed and trained in jails by LaEme-owned gangs like Ms13 and 18th St., which target blacks. Meanwhile our city leaders are all ardently against deporting illegals or overturning SP40, which the public and many cops clamor for.
The L A Times put the story about Maria Leon of Drew St./Glassell Park on its front page yesterday, an illegal immigrant with 13 kids from 5 men, a long, long rap sheet for selling drugs, weapons, child endangerment, but almost always got off with no jail time -- and should have been deported. The Times all but came out and said the current ICE policies and justice system hasn't been working. The Mayor's between a rock and hard place if gang problems don't go down. But instead of tougher enforcement or dealing with illegals, he and Bratton agree with Rice that more money on prevention and "smarter" policing is the ticket.
(Notice how we have "smart" growth, "smart" policing, all of a sudden?) We're all kind of aware of what it means to have genuinely "smart" growth, like on Ventura Blvd. or maybe that NoHo project, but how do have "smart" policing without more money, which the city doesn't have?
They should start by going after the feds harder. One of the TV news reports last week said that the state spent ove $850 million jailing just illegal recidivists, but got only $100 mil from the feds.
2:15p -- Are there any audits of the controller's effectiveness? Or do we just see a steady stream of recommendations that are rarely acted upon?
2:16p -- In prison, Blacks and Mexicans are kept apart. That has to tell us something right there.
I'm all for "smart" growth and policing because we've had too much of the opposite in the past.
Well stated on suing the feds. CA pays a disproportionate of U.S. tax -- correct me if I'm wrong -- is it 70% that we see back?
On the gang issue, Tony is the best. Taking Laura out of the picture, although there is an urgency to implement a comprehensive gang program, acting on it without careful planning will only give us much of the same. Funds will go to supression and the same gang programs who have the capacity for implementation. Some of these may not be the best.
When you ignore the idiot at 1:36 the posts stay on track,alot better discusion.
If Jack Hoff let a fart and nobody smelt it - would it have an odor?
3:04: Enough, your guy Cardenas has lost the public image battle already. Yelling at Chick to "get out of my face," the hystrionics in Council without effectiveness, the stalling -- and Orlov's article says several councilmembers are getting fed up. Even liberal bloggers like Witness L A's say, enough of the reports.
Maybe Chick does nothing but present boiled down reports from others, but these two going at each other isn't helpful. The gang problem needs to be treated like the Pasadena school district is doing with its schools: fire ALL the teachers and make them apply to be rehired, have all the gang workers PERSUADE the city/ Carr and the Mayor's team, why they should be trusted. Some take their work for granted, haven't been reviewed in over a decade. Clearly money's being wasted, while Cardenas and Hahn want to hit up homeowners for a parcel tax for NEW gang programs.
I like Chick for that reason alone: she says, stop taxing people, just spend the money better. Cardenas and Hahn: tax-and-spend the already disgusted middle classes more. We've got the trash tax hikes, Prop S, they want more taxes for mass transit. Fire everyone and make them reapply, with budgets and credentials. Put them all under one boss. Centralize.
Tony Cardenas can be a team player or walk. Sorry, no one cares if he thinks he's the "smartest" anymore.
And how long will your proposal to do make the changes in your previous post take?
In January of last year, LAPD, FBI and the City Attorney's office joined forces to police the gangs after the Harbor Gateway debacle.
Isn't the central mission of the Ad Hoc Gangs Committee to bring forth stronger and more cooperative gang prevention measures for the city? And isn't the reason that this committee exists in the first place due solely to the incredible lack of success of the current programs?
I support 4:14's point.
Orlov's column says several CM's are fed up with the dilly-dallying over Cardenas' hanging onto power. LAT says the issue will go to full CC on Wed. The grownups need to set a good example for the actual gangbangers!
With the pressure from the community and LAT playing up the illegal aspect of the Glassell Park area, the millions they've cost us in that one community alone for housing they've trashed, a $6 mil park that promptly became a gang drug hangout -- the misc. costs of those 13 kids, multiplied by many families -- the illegal issue is front and center. If Bratton means by "smart policing" getting the worst of the worst, this is where he logically has to start along with the projects like Jordan Downs and those terrorizing the schools.
Jack Hoff, no one is going to take you seriously or care what you have to say with that stupid picture of a jack ass as your profile picture. Choose another picture, please. Unless you are trying to be off-putting.
8:01 PM
That's a goat you silly nilly.
...and it's a smiling goat, at that!
Approximately 25% of jail inmates are illegal aliens and the Mayor and mexican politicos don't ever mention that fact.
I would like a "Report" on what percentage of latino gang members are illegal aliens. And what percentage of latino gang members are the kids of illegal aliens, like the 18th street gang member who killed Jamiel Shaw in an obvious racial hate crime.
LAUSD has a 50% drop-out rate with that many uneducated kids how many will turn to crime and gangs? The city’s future is on fast and steady down-hill slide with no change in site.
I doubt any Los Angeles local gang intervention program will make a real change. We need to close the border to stop the invasion of poor and possible future gang members and criminals. Then we need a Marshall plan for Los Angeles to make radical changes to the LAUSD and also bring back more jobs to Los Angeles, and start reducing the population growth in California until many, many social problems are corrected.
Also we need to stop the gang culture which is so prevelant among latinos and blacks, too many parents start the problem at child-birth with the naming of the kid “Baby Sniper”. If a kid is born into a cholo “friendly” family what do you really expect for the kids future. (like the mother of the Drew street cholos). Even people like Al Shaprton have come to recognize the “gang culture” problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU3wpi6IpMo
But with a constant invasion of illegal aliens and poor folks having too many babies, the government will never able to keep above water.
"Approximately 25% of jail inmates are illegal aliens and the Mayor and mexican politicos don't ever mention that fact."
Do you think it's because 75% of inmates are legal citizens and that, in and of itself, is exasperating?
Reginald, I wouldn't argue with you that if one commits an illegal act by entering our country, it's plausible that any number of second illegal acts could follow, but -- even based on your numbers -- you must grant that there are a hell of a lot of U.S. citizens in gangs in Los Angeles.
How do you propose we prevent kids from joining gangs?
Jack Hoff, I've now officially lost all respect for you, and you join the ranks of Cedillo "cholo apologist" wanker, Ed Head-Up-His Butt.
"Only" 1/4 of all criminals in our jails are illegals? Gee, how low. WHAT other country can "boast" of such a crazy statistic?
Hey, have you heard we're in a budget crisis, and the amount of money spent jailing these lowlifes, educating their kids (yeah, they spawn them all over and leave 'em with their gangbanger mamas to go onto welfare, food stamps, etc. -- a whole lot easier to get when there's no unemployed dad around), giving them healthcare, letting them play bumper cars with no insurance or even a license?
All while even TOURISTS from most counties except EU and Japan, a few select countries, must: undergo rigorous criminal and financial checks, and prove enough obligations at home -- jobs, family ties, business ownership -- to guarantee they'll go back. THEN get fingerprinted and have their photos taken by going in person to the Consulate in their capitol cities -- no drugstore photos, pls.
AND then make sure they're under the country's quota... register your places of residence in U. S.
AND these people are self-selecting in being more affluent, business- oriented, spending more money in US.
11:16p, to be honest, I think I'd rather have a beer with Ed Head-Up-His-Butt...
Look, if your point is that if we as a society got rid of all the illegal aliens in SoCal, all the gangs would suddenly vanish, then you're wrong. Absolutely wrong.
Gangs and gang warfare crop up in all countries regardless of citizenship. Iraq and Afghanistan still have their warlords. England, Ireland, Russia, Brazil, you name it... wherever there is poverty, drugs, depression, opression -- that's where you'll find gangs -- and not Mexican gangs, either.
Build all the jails you want, that gets real expensive real quick.
An "ounce of prevention" still is key. The question remains, regardless of the 25% mix of illegal aliens.
Jack Hoff,
Regarding your 2:32 about my 2:15
I am activly involved in Intervention and Prevention. I recieve no funding and am not looking for funding and have never been a gang member. Only wanted to state that because it is important to know.
If you listen to most of those involved in I & P it is about mentors which is not about money. Carr & the Mayor do not get that AT ALL! On the other hand, the fact that Hahn & Cardenas want the tax is a joke too.
I have had conversations with Cardenas and am not convinced he is sincere yet either. He still has some convincing. Hahn, Mayor and Carr have lost my faith totally, jury is still out on Cardenas.
8:17a -- Completely agree with you. When there is no father to the child, the gang becomes the father.
Cardenas has never been a bold player in my book. He's a fine manager, but not a leader. If you want all the angles on an issue, I'm sure he can give them to you, but he almost needs to be forced to make a decision.
On another note, whatever happened to the Catholic Church's influence in gang matters? I can't remember reading one thing in the last few years about the Church getting involved.
Uhm, except for the funerals...
Jack Hoff @ 11:35, well said!
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