Mexican American Political Association Endorses Obama
In a stunning blow to Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton - and her surrogate in Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa - the Mexican American Political Association has endorsed Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for President.On the heels of the endorsement of the Illinois Senator by labor leader Maria Elena Durazo Clinton's prospects of gaining significant support amongst California's Latinos appear to be fading.
Motivating the decision has been the campaign tactics of the Clintons in South Carolina and elsewhere that some have criticized as race baiting.
MAPA's National President Nativo Lopez issued the following statement:
“Something nasty in the national campaigns reared its head over the past two weeks, which motivated us to consider another endorsement for a presidential candidate of the Democratic Party primary elections. We have observed with utter disgust the use of racially divisive and polarizing tactics employed by the Clintons, both Hillary and Bill, against Senator Barack Obama, not the first presidential candidate of African American origin. This is something that we would have expected from Republican candidates, but instead it surfaced from the bowels of the center-right institutional currents of the Democratic Party. The tactics are absolutely deplorable and clearly demonstrate what the Clintons think of all people of color."
Lopez' full statement can be viewed here.
Losing support of both the African American and Latino communities in Los Angeles could have a chilling effect on Clinton's prospects in California. It would have a greater impact and reflect poorly on politicians in the state such as Mayor Villaraigosa, Speaker of the Assembly Fabian Nunez and San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom who've been working hard on behalf of the Clintons.
Labels: Barack Obama, hillary clinton, los angeles politics, mayor antonio villaraigosa
Posted by Mayor Sam @ 1/30/2008 09:21:00 PM
41 Comments:
Man that really sucks for Antonio!
Antonio SUCKS!
So these Mexicans hate the Clintons because they're "center right of the Democratic Party." That's a selling point for them vs. Obama, who has pandered to the illegals and promised them the moon financially and in terms of easy legalization. In other words, he'd be wrong for the country.
Some endorsements you don't want. As for Durazo, she's been scolded by her union and the AFL-CIO and told not to represent herself as speaking for the union. She did this to spite the construction workers union and try to court the healthcare workers and other low- end service workers. But she may be out of a job herself.
Even the Mexicans know that Antonio, and anyone he supports; Hillary, Villa, Nunez, Huizar, are subject to a lot examination
Explain to me why the Mexicans "hate both Bill and Hillary Clinton"?
ummmm..
so MAPA endorses Dennis "UFO" Kucinich last week -- he drops out and now they select Obama.
Means Obama is on his way out too!!
11:14 or 11:20
Trujillo or Parke chiming in again.
Parke, it is really easy to see why people of color do not like the Clintons.
In Iowa everyone fell in love with Obama. The networks were saying how difficult it was not to like him. He was a breath of fresh air, he was galvanizing the youth vote, he was exactly what an apathetic voting public needed. People in lilly white Iowa fell in love with Obama because everyone FORGOT he was Black - the first candidate ever of his kind and one that really broke down racial barriers.
Then in New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina - the Clintons reminded everyone that Obama was indeed Black. Not only Black but a fairy tale Jesse Jackson to boot. Buy hey, all is fair in love and war = right Parke - it doesn't matter if the opposition is truly blazing a path of color blindness, something the ultra liberal Clintons could not accomplish.
White folk with this kind of mentality are the worst kind of subtle racists - those who believe in racial equality but in their hearts believe that only THEY, the ultra white intellectual can truly help those poor downtrodden niggers and wetbacks - pretty much the way you think Parke. Much the same way Marxist believe that only the intellectual proletariat can help the working masses because they are too stupid to help themselves.
This kind of thinking only means that people like Antonio or Fabian or Dolores Huerta are viewed as the "house niggers" or "refined wetbacks" in their camps. But given the intellectual capacity of these three Latinos it is no wonder that elitist mentality of the Clintons can be so easily applied in these cases.
Not all people of color are that stupid - and Obama is giving us a chance to exercise such intellectual freedom for the first time in history.
Trujillo, do you think you can understand this post or do you need Parke to dumb it down for you?
Not all people of color are stupid, but you aren't proving your intelligence by saying that Obama is blazing a path of color blindness?
You aren't serious.
Your post was just screaming, "Blacks are voting for blacks."
Oh no, those ultra-liberal Clintons can't blaze a path of color blindness because only one of your own can do this?? Please.
Don't flatter yourself that Trujillo couldn't understand your post. It's not reading that is necessary to have dumbed down, regardless of what you believe.
My post was not screaming that Black are voting for Blacks, it is that intelligent people of color are voting for Obama.
And no, those ultra liberal Clintons cannot blaze a path of color blindness as they so adequately proved in South Carolina.
But you have to be a person of color to truly understand my post otherwise the same elitist "oh please" reaction can be expected. It is just something you will never be able to comprehend. Perhaps if you spent a lifetime in a brown Latin American or black African country you would have some inkling of what it means to be a person of color in this country.
And there is nothing flattering about Trujillo not being able to understand this post, if anything it is tragic that someone with that position in the Clinton campaign can't stand on his own intellectual two feet. Very much in the same way Antonio can't stand without Parke propping him up.
But the condescending tone of your post is just proof of the premise stated in my post. "Masta, we's sho glad yous here to enlighten us." Believe it or not, there are some things beyond your comprehension - but don't lose sleep trying to think what those "things" are - you'll never get it. It's a person of color thing.
Miniorities are dumb. They know exactly what the Clintons were doing bringing in the race card and trying to divide the races between blacks and Latinos and its not working. Obama is bridging the groups together as one for the common good of this nation. That's the message. I have never read as many negative news articles on the Clintons from all over the nation then in the last 3 weeks. Go on drudge report and there's always a paper slamming them. It goes to the heart of their character or lack of.
Sorry meant to say miniorities AREN'T DUMB and know what the Clintons are doing by trying to divide the races. The idiots who run NOW (National Organization of Women) came out angry at Ted Kennedy for endorsing Obama and say he's against women. The NOW women are a bunch of radical lesbos who need to come out of the closet and are the most aggressive, mean spirited women I've met. What they're essentially saying is if you're a woman you should vote for Hillary and any man who is against Hillary is against women. BULLSHIT!!!! Groups like NOW do more damage to women causes. They need to shut up.
Hey 1:42, maybe it's your intellectual capacity on the quarter of a tank mark.
"Parke, it is really easy to see why people of color do not like the Clinton's."
Whaaa? Didn't the vast majority (people of color), vote for Bill Clinton twice for President?
Wasn't he widely referred to as "The first Black President" by many black people? And still is!
"ultra liberal Clinton's?"
Nothing ultra liberal about the Clinton's, in fact they represent the corporate conservative wing of the democratic party.
Bill was governor of Arkansas and supported fully the death penalty never granting a pardon even to the black retarded guy that was executed.
He got NAFTA pushed into being which is hated by the unions especially the Teamsters.
Hillary has supported the Iraq war from day one, and gave Bush so many standing ovations for invading Iraq that she looked like she was wearing a German helmet and standing up and down clapping like she was on a pogo stick.
She has proposed a national health plan that would be run by private HMO's.
She was a Goldwater Republican most of her life until she met Bill.
The Clinton's are not all that different from Bush actually, just smarter, but that's not saying a lot.
And show me where Obama or any of the candidate's Democrat or Republican has pandered to "illegals", promising them the moon financially or easy legalization.
Quit making a fool of yourself with these fictional posts, all the half truths, and hysterical statements.
And quit lumping all Mexican Americans into a stupid basket, Dolores Huerta is a great Mexican American woman who has fought for the rights of people for many years all around the world, she has been in the front lines of the battle for farm workers rights and the rights of all people.
Your statement claiming she is stupid is really stupid and shows your obvious ignorance of history and your burning hate for Mexican Americans.
PS Speaking again of stupid, read a little more Marx or Lenin before you make stupid statements like this from you,
""Marxist believe that only the intellectual proletariat can help the working masses ""
Marx actually states that the proletariat (the worker bees) would be lead by what he calls the "Vanguard of the proletariat" which would consist of an International Comintern consisting of Workers, Soldiers, Engineers, Scientists, etc, representatives from all areas of society to develop the Marxist theories of "Dialectical Materialism".
Although typically like everywhere else the "politicians" and dictators end up taking over.
So before you refer to anyone as "stupid" stupid, you should, as they say "check yourself"
Antonio has to be embarrassed he can't hold the Mexicans in line for his mamma Hillary.
Former president Jimmy Carter praised Barack Obama's run for the White House as "extraordinary" and potentially healing.
The elder statesman of the Democratic party also revealed that he had also spoken at length with former president Bill Clinton about his involvement in the 2008 presidential race.
"Obama's campaign has been extraordinary and titillating for me and my family," Carter said in an interview at his Georgia home Monday in which he stressed that he and his wife have never endorsed any presidential candidate since leaving the White House.
"We have four children with their spouses, we have eleven grandchildren, four or five of them are married, and all of them, except one, are for Obama," he said in an audioclip of the interview on the Wall Street Journal's website.
"I think that Obama will be almost automatically a healing factor in the animosity now and the distrust that relates to our country and its government," said Carter, 83, who was president from 1977-1981.
The 2002 Nobel Peace prize laureate added that his Democratic successor in the White House had called him Monday to confirm his participation in an event Carter has organized.
But the tension over race that erupted on the Democratic campaign trail last week dominated the conversation, Carter revealed.
"I got off the phone with a long talk with Bill Clinton who called me this morning trying to explain that he was not raising the race issue, and that sort of thing. I won't got into detail," Carter said.
Clinton "has said a few things that I think he wishes he hadn't said," the Wall Street Journal quoted Carter as saying.
"He doesn't call me often, but the fact that he called me this morning and spent a long time explaining his position indicates that it's troublesome to them, the adverse reaction.
"I told him I hoped it would die down...the charged atmosphere concerning the race issue. And I think it will," he said.
After black voters in South Carolina deserted her for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton on Sunday invoked icons Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King while preaching racial unity.
African Americans, a key Democratic constituency, went overwhelmingly for the Illinois senator in Saturday's primary vote -- in a stunning rebuff for Clinton, and her husband, ex-president Bill Clinton.
The defeat came after both camps accused the other of taking the campaign onto dangerous racial territory, as Obama strives to become the first black US president.
Don Quixote:
The name itself conjures up quixotical notions of your intelect.
I never called anyone stupid in my posts, that is a word usually relegated to the verbally limited. As I look at it, this educated Chicano only sees people as un- or misinformed, take your pick, judging from your post you obviously fulfill either category.
I've studied Marx, Hegel, Lenin, Rousseau, Lock Kant,.... I majored in Political Theory. You should reveiew your Cliff notes on Marxism, the basic premise of marxism is to have the few enlightened govern the masses. Ever wonder why Maxist regimes are not democratic. This is the main reason why this antiquated European ideology has failed miserably.
With regard to Dolores Huerta, if she is such a great Latino leader - I guess when she is sober - why would she routinely call the INS on mexicanos who were working in non-union farms. I have an uncle who was deported from a farm field right outside Delano. He even had to pass through a brigade of UFW flags on his way to that green bus.
With Latinos like yourself wildy swinging for those windmills, it is no wonder the Clintons take us for granted. But hey, si se puedA - right.
Just for your information, lacking intellectual credentials does not make you stupid. My dad had a 9th grade education and he is the smartest person I ever met - and I've met Bill and Hillary, Gore, Obama, his wife,Edwards, his wife....
Perhaps we should refer to you as Sancho, afterall Cervantes painted him as the truly enlightened one.
Nativo "Larry" Lopez is mad at Hillary for doing an "180" on driver licenses for illegal.
I was getting sick of hearing about how latinos wouldn't vote for a black candidate.
Thank god there's disagreement within the community. It's almost like we can all think for ourselves.
Yes, but this blog is but a small sampling of the way people feel. These are the readers who won't vote for Measure S and didn't vote for Measure R. Wait until the masses vote, or more than likely, don't.
I would never suggest that any person of color can't think for themselves. In my mind, only religious people and union workers (regardless of color) vote like lemmings.
I would question the intellect of anyone who thinks that Obama is a shoo-in or that he is somehow an invigorating new, fresh healing factor or even consider him extraordinary.
I did not use a condescending tone in my 2:09 AM post. I am the last person who would do that, whether you know me or not.
Your statement that the intelligent people of color are voting for Obama is as broad as my interpretation of you saying that blacks will vote for blacks. Intelligent people will ask many, many more questions of Obama before they vote for him regardless of their color.
The nation is ready for a minority president, that much is true. Whether it's a woman or a black man, it's going to happen. All white men will have to adjust to that as will people in the midwest.
On that note - Go Hillary.
Look, I'm not fan of Billary, but NO one who has any sense of the length and breadth of the the Latino community would EVER consider that Nativo Lopez's group's endorsement of anyone will mean ANYTHING in terms of the results next Tuesday.
You're inventing political clout where it can never exist.
MAPA is a gnat in the grand scheme of California politics. Less than a gnat; maybe half a gnat.
For anyone interested, there was good piece in the San Francisco Chronicle this week on Obama and Licenses. The issue came also came up yesterday at the Pat Brown Institute CA Agenda lecture on civic engagement.
FYI. You can also catch Nativo Lopez on Your World with Neil Cavuto (Fox News) today at 1 p.m. PST--talking about Latinos, Liceneses and MAPA's endorsement of Obama.
(Full disclosure: I do communications for MAPA).
It is laughably the ultimate
irony to see the racist MAPA
get up on its high horse and
accuse someone else of
playing "The Race Card"
Implosion imminent!
"Billary" campaign turns off yet another constituency....
"MAPA is a gnat in the grand scheme of California politics. Less than a gnat; maybe half a gnat."
That may be so but Hillary and Antonio sure would have appreciated their endorsement. But they got the UFW endorsement! What's that, 1500 members and 300,000 red t-shirts and flags?
9:17, nice cop out but I see you are kind of an amateur at when it comes to verbal jousting.
""Not all people of color are that stupid ""
""But given the intellectual capacity of these three Latinos ""
"Trujillo, do you think you can understand this post or do you need Parke to dumb it down for you?""
Sounds to me as though you were slightly, and prematurely, judgemental here with your snide comments dealing with others intellectual capacities. Again self reflection may be in order at this time in your life.
And 9:17 if you studied Marx or Engels for even a couple of minutes on your Wikipedia site you would know that your statements about Marxism are not only completely mistaken but nonsensical.
""the basic premise of Marxism is to have the few enlightened govern the masses. Ever wonder why Marxist regimes are not democratic. ""
Uhhh no 9:17, the basic premise of Marx and Engels was that the proletariat would through revolution take control of all means of production and would through Socialism establish a classless, leaderless society directed by a vanguard of the proletariat (as I described to you earlier) that would eventually evolve into a kind of nirvana or utopia called "Communism"
And as for democratic! Marxian dialectic thought is totally opposed to what we call democracy due to it's emphasis on "individual rights", as opposed to Marx's philosophy, a Darwinian based theory of collective instinct and objective materialism.
Re-read your Marx and Engels your slip is showing.
Dolores Huerta as a drunk huh?
Not capable of serious discussion on her merits or politics so you sink to some personal attack on a persons character?
Yea that's showing intellectual facility for opinion and repartee on your part, typical response for you 9:17.
And if your uncle got deported during the Farm workers Strike then maybe he should have joined the union or not crossed the picket lines like a scab. He doesn't get any sympathy from me or most other Latinos that I know of.
And who cares who you met, Hillary or Bill or Bob or Bubba or Hussein, what, is that supposed to give you some special credentials or something? Is it even true?
Name dropping doesn't even get you a 10 cent cup of coffee here.
You continually resort to name calling and referring to people with unfounded adjectives of your own making and expect to be taken seriously?
Stick to facts and relevant issues and maybe you can gain some credence, until then your just a mudslinger.
PS And absolutely you can call me Sancho he is a hero of mine 9:17
RASMUSSEN National Poll:
McCain 30% Romney 28%
Clinton 42% Obama 35%
Sancho,
An amateur at verbal jousting?
The fact that you consider this a joust is just adding fuel to that "blind faith" mantra you so aptly aspire to.
My uncle was not a scab, he just happened to work at a farm that the UFW couldn't get control of. After his legalization he was a die hard Teamster for over 20 years. Dolores Huerta used the INS tactic to scare the farm owners into hiring union members - this tactic usually occurred around harvest time. If the UFW had organized the farm that my uncle worked on he would gladly have joined but that would have been too costly for the UFW so they resorted to this slash and burn tactic. Why do you think that the UFW never took hold in Texas - it was this sort of win at all cost tactic that the Texans did not appreciate. Legal or illegal, we are all Raza.
Again, what do you think the proletariat means? In short it is the intellectual elite of a society. The foremost Marxist of the Americas was not a labor organizer or political activist, he was a doctor. But Che would later take his place among the imortals, and rightfully so. But again, it is the self proclaimed superior minded, like Hillary, that are needed to mobilize and lead the masses. Workers of the world unite and forever be workers instead of business owners.
If you are involved in political circles, then you must be aware that Dolores' drinking problems are as well known as Antonio's infidelity. Don't kid yourself, "blind faith" tends to have that effect on the blind followers. What's next, kool-aid?
If Obama wins he wont be pissed at latinos. If Clinton wins she won't be pissed at latinos. looks like a win-win to me.
WE NEED BOTH AT JORDIN DOWNS NOW as the racial tensions are boiling. Rather than Villa., Obama or Clinton there to bring peace- LAPD will become the default moderator of these tensions.
To our wierdo marxist windbag, VIVA - LAPD.
Speaking of windmills- AV has announced he has spent our money to plant 80 wind generators- at a cost of over a half billion, with ongoing maintenance including 12 full time employees, vehicles, A MIGHTY WIND INDEED.
extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Viva the City of L.A. where employees get a 30% raise over 3years, and teachers get 2%.
The L.A. City employees will need the extra $ because there is no money for their promised pensions and benefits- that's not cervantes talking it's a fact.
Sorry, Obama brought race up by bringing Oprah into the matter.
And then when Hillary talked about needing LBJ to get the MLK dream set into law, Obama again stuck his foot in his mouth and tried to make it racial.
Then his wife tried to incite crowds by saying Clinton called her husband a fantasy. He did not.
In the same week, the Obama surrogates ran a laughable Spanish language commerical in Nevada, accusing Hillary of being against latinos' right to vote.
That laugher back-fired.
But, the two Obama attempts to make paint the Clintons as racist that week totally turned me off.
Even the congressman who told Clinton to "chill" could not give an example of what racism Bill Clinton had practiced. He noted Hillary's (non-racist) LBJ remark and something about "lack of experience" being code for racism.
Please.
People were clammering for Nancy Pelosi and the dems to fight the Republicans in congress last year, but now these Obama supporters want to hold hands with them, meet them half-way? Essentially sing camp-fire songs and buy the world a coke.
SC Blacks really scare me that are so ready to turn on the very people who were/are at their sides when someone with a similar skin tone shows up.
What's the huge racial question? Barack is half black/white.. I'll vote for the white half but the black half is welcome to come along.
Oh, you'll let him come around when you find out that the black half is below the waist.
this is from the "WWG"
Mayor Villaraigosa sat down with Wolf Blitzer on the CNN and gave his pitch for Clinton. Asked if he senses that Obama is making inroads in the Latino community, Antonio said: "I don't." Not mentioned is that the Mexican American Political Association endorsed Obama this week. 3:25
Observation, what ever happen to judging someone by the content of their character, not the color of their skin?
12:26 states incredulously;
""Again, what do you think the proletariat means? In short it is the intellectual elite of a society. The foremost Marxist of the Americas was not a labor organizer or political activist, he was a doctor. But Che would later take his place among the imortals, and rightfully so.""
12;26 Are you kidding me? I thought you had a degree in, what? Well in your own words,
""I've studied Marx, Hegel, Lenin, Rousseau, Lock Kant,.... I majored in Political Theory.""
And then the completely discombobulated and erroneous statements from you,
""Again, what do you think the proletariat means? In short it is the intellectual elite of a society.""
Are you serious? You must be "jousting" again.
Here professor let me break it down for you one more time,
the class system according to Marx.
1. Bourgeoisie = The Capitalist's, The owners of Capital, the exploiters of labor, ergo the Ruling Class.
2. Petty Bourgeoisie = Owners of Small Business's and property, aka
The Middle Class.
3 (pay attention here!) The Proletariat = Workers or owners of labor power, aka The working class.
4. Lumpen Proletariat = criminals, ex cons, drug addicts, aka The real underbelly of society.
And thank you for your pronouncements about Che Guevara being a doctor and the "formost Marxist of the Americas?
But,hey genious wouldn't you say that maybe Fidel Castro the Marxist dicator of Cuba for the last 50 years might more aptly fit that description? I sure would.
Now 12:26, you student of Political Therory you, did this help?
By the way Professor where'd you get your degree? University of Congo or University of Mars?
And since you asked about the importance of a supposed "drinking problem of Dolores Huerta my answer would be frankly No! I'm not aware of a drinking problem and further more I don't care if she has a drinking problem.
I would say that many people and many families have all kinds of problems, but as long as it doesn't interfere with their job or duties as a public servant or employee I could give a rats ass about it.
FDR had polio, Lincoln suffered bouts of depression, Jackson had a drinking problem, Ben Franklin was a womanizer, Alexander Hamilton was supposedly gay, yea so what! they still led this country to greatness in times of great stress and under duress and sometimes great criticism.
So why do you constantly focus on peoples foibles and vices? Again, those are private matters and if it doesn't affect thier ability to perform there job then why should anyone give a shit?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks professor!
YOu read all the papaers and blogs throughout the nation and without a doubt they reported the racists remarks weeks ago that the Clintons started making. Wil Smith months ago came out for Obama but does that mean just because he's black its a racial thing? Oh hell no you people can't be that stupid. Wil gave great comments why he supported Obama and not one word about race. The Clintons showed their true colors and what they think of miniorities. What about Hillary on the Wal Mart board of directors and NOT giving Latinos health benefits??? But now she wants our vote.
Did the LA Slimes do huge story on corruption within UFW and the Cesar Chavez relatives getting paid tons of money and forgetting about the farm workers?
YOU KNOW ACE SMITH AND PARKE, TRUJILLO HAVE TO BE PISSED AND ARE PLANNING SOMETHING CORRUPT AND DESPERATE. THAT'S HOW THEY CAMPAIGN
GALLUP POLL: OBAMA RISING; UP 11-POINTS IN WEEK...The latest Democratic numbers show Hillary Clinton with a 43% to 39% advantage over Barack Obama among Democratic voters nationwide. That four-point lead is the narrowest since early January, and it is a continuation of gains by Obama
Tony will take money from anyone. This from the Daily News.
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, chairman of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, has received $10,500 from indicted Chicago entrepreneur Antoin Rezko and his relatives or affiliates in previous council and mayoral campaigns, the Daily News has learned.
The news comes even as Clinton has criticized her chief rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for taking contributions from Rezko in an increasingly contentious campaign as it heads into tonight's debate in Los Angeles.
Villaraigosa's Deputy Mayor Sean Clegg said today that the contributions are unrelated to the issues Clinton has raised concerning Rezko and Obama.
"It is no coincidence that this attack on the mayor of Los Angeles is surfacing on the eve of the presidential debate in his hometown," Clegg said
Fidel Castro never truly embraced the tenets of Marxism, that was Che and Castro's brother who were the idealist in the bucnh.
Castro only embraced Marxism when he found that such a system of government would offer the best opportunity of total control.
In fact, the US originally sided with Castro, after Bautista was ousted - do you think such an alliance would have happened if Castro was a flaming Marxist.
So I must agree with "the professor" that Che Guevara was and is the foremost Maxist of the Americas. But we've yet to write the histoy for Hugo down in Venezuela.
Another bogus history lesson from the "professor", at 6:22,
"Fidel Castro never truly embraced the tenets of Marxism, that was Che and Castro's brother who were the idealist in the bucnh""
................................
Fidel Castro never embraced Marxism?? Have you been locked up or on Mars for the last 50 years?
Fidel was and is one of the strongest proponents of Marxism and also the most international of any of the Marxist leaders in the last half of the 20th century.
Can you possibly remember his forte's into Angola, Grenada, Nicaragua, etc; etc; etc;. Remember the Soviet presence in Cuba until it's collapse?
Recall the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban Missile Crises?
The entire Cuban economy and social order, including politics, the justice system, education, the arts, athletics's, the media, and the military, is based on one of the strictest, and most rigid Marxist doctrines since Lenin and Stalin led the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union.
So what are you thinking Professor?
And actually, for the record, "Castro's Brother" Raul Castro isn't the most doctrinaire Marxist. That in fact is Fidel, and brother "Raul Castro" is considered more "liberal". After Fidel's demise it is expected that "Raul Castro" will take power and "liberalize" and loosen up the Marxist control of Cuba.
Professor 6:22, do you just not read or stay up with current events and history, or do you just feel that since you have met Bill and Hillary and Obama and Edwards and Gore, that you have an "inside" track on the truth and history?
Here you go again!
""In fact, the US originally sided with Castro, after Bautista was ousted - do you think such an alliance would have happened if Castro was a flaming Marxist.""
The US never sided with Castro, as soon as he took over Cuba the Eisenhower administration and Allen Dulles and the CIA were plotting his overthrow and demise. They knew what Castro was up to but they had to have an excuse to intervene due to World Opinion.
The Bay of Pigs Invasion was on the books and in the works almost immediately to overthrow Castro.
But Professor, maybe you can go to your typical reply style now and tell us about Kennedy's womanizing and how that effected the failed Bay of Pigs invasion.
Or how about J.Edgar Hoover and his failures due to his "Fag" lifestyle.
Or about Eisenhower's longtime mistress.
Or Castro's mistress's.
I can hardly wait for this pertinent info coming down the pipe.
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