Term Limits Lawsuit Filed
Neil Donner, a Los Angeles resident, stepped up to the plate and filed a lawsuit to remove, from the November ballot, the proposition that would let City Clowncil Members serve three terms rather than two.Way to go, Neil!
I'm not sure he has terrific grounds for the suit, but we'll let someone in a black robe decide it. Whether he wins or loses, and whether you agree or disagree with him, please appreciate that Neil took action to improve his city.
Read it: http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_4258543
Posted by Walter Moore @ 8/30/2006 06:30:00 AM
62 Comments:
Term-limits suit may cost L.A. big bucks...outside attorneys possible
Ater failing to heed warnings that a City Council term limits/ethics reform measure could face legal challenges, the city is faced with spending thousands of dollars to hire lawyers to defend the plan.
The suit says the measure violates the California Constitution because it combines two issues - a term-limit extension and ethics reform - in a single ballot measure
This ballot measure is a cruel trick on the voters. They take some minor ethical reforms, some of which are questionable reforms to begin with, and glom onto a term-limit extension," Jacob said. "This is a classic illustration of why single-subject requirements make sense. They want to put a few things voters like with another thing that voters don't like." The lawsuit references Delgadillo's concerns expressed in a July 28 report that was sent to the City Council before it voted to put Proposition R on the ballot.
I HOPE THE JUDGE TAKES IT OFF THE BALLOT. NOW OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE SPENT ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL ROCKY SAYS. THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY CLOWNCIL. WE NEED TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE IN CHAMBERS TO TELL THOSE IDIOTS HELL NOOOO!!!
...as we analyze this political win for the Mayor it is important to realize that the votes in Sacto this week represent a very short-term win. In fact, this move is an extraordinary long-term political gamble that tells us a great deal about who the Mayor is as a person. Now that the Mayor will be perceived as having ownership of the LAUSD – and taxpayers, parents, pundits, the media and others will be holding him responsible – the “wins” out of the Senate and Assembly this week will have the staying power of an ice cube on the San Fernando pavement in August.
Mayor Sam, Walter, Juan the Councilman.
The people of CD14 demand continued or new leadership. Can we have a poll on your blog?
My balls itch.
I told you to sweet-talk Wacko into giving you a rubdown.
This issue should be between you and Wacko only.
There is no time for the City Council to approve the hiring of outside legal counsel. The hearing is Sept. 6 at 8:30 a.m. and the City Council doesn't get back from its hard-earned vacation until about that time.
In the meantime, the suit by Jason Lyon and Jeff Jacoberger from the neighborhood councils about the misleading language in the ballot argument will be in Superior Court tomorrow, Thursday,at 9:30 a.m. in Division 85.
To 9:16 Who are the candidates?
Jose Huizar
Nick Pacheco
Elena P
Zuma Perro
Alvin Para
Santos Libre
El Sereno Lesbian Group
Easier just to see it here:
Term-limits suit may cost L.A. big bucks
Outside attorneys possible
BY KERRY CAVANAUGH, Staff Writer
LA Daily News
After failing to heed warnings that a City Council term limits/ethics reform measure could face legal challenges, the city is faced with spending thousands of dollars to hire lawyers to defend the plan.
West Los Angeles resident Neil Donner filed a lawsuit Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court, seeking to remove the measure - which would give council members a third four-year term - from the Nov. 7 ballot.
The suit says the measure violates the California Constitution because it combines two issues - a term-limit extension and ethics reform - in a single ballot measure.
City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo had warned the council that the measure would leave the city vulnerable to legal challenges, and the suit would have put him in the position of defending the city against the very sort of action he had warned of.
But City Attorney's Office spokesman Nick Velasquez said Delgadillo is considering hiring outside counsel to defend the measure because specialized help is needed.
"The city attorney shared his office's thoughts on this matter. At this juncture, following the council's and mayor's approval of the measure, the city attorney is now charged with defending the city in court and that's what he intends to do," Velasquez said.
Officials could not estimate the cost of defending the measure. Proposition R opponents said they don't want to see taxpayer money used - especially because the public had little input before it was put on the ballot.
"We are extremely concerned that the City Council rejected the legal advice of the city attorney - who was hired by the people to represent our interests - and now the city must spend thousands and thousands of dollars of taxpayer money to defend this ill-conceived, dishonest measure," said Jason Lyon of the Silver Lake Neighborhood Council and the Not Prop R campaign.
The City Council, which fast-tracked the term-limits measure, would have to approve the hiring of an outside law firm to handle the case.
The court will consider a request to remove Proposition R from the ballot on Sept. 6 - two days before the city's deadline for printing the voter-information guides.
Proposition R would allow City Council members to run for a third term and would change a number of the city's lobbying and campaign finance disclosure requirements. The measure was proposed by the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce and League of Women Voters, and quickly approved to go on the ballot by the City Council and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
Critics have complained that the measure was rushed through with no input from residents, neighborhood councils or the Ethics Commission.
Supporters have said they hurried to put Proposition R on the November general election ballot, which is expected to have a large turnout, so more people could weigh in on the issue of ethics reform and term-limit extensions.
Supporters and opponents of Proposition R are already facing off in court over the language in each side's ballot arguments. The lawsuit filed by Donner seeks to remove Proposition R from the ballot altogether.
Donner volunteered to put his name on the lawsuit, which was filed by the firm of Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, at the request of Paul Jacob, president of the group U.S. Term Limits.
"This ballot measure is a cruel trick on the voters. They take some minor ethical reforms, some of which are questionable reforms to begin with, and glom onto a term-limit extension," Jacob said.
"This is a classic illustration of why single-subject requirements make sense. They want to put a few things voters like with another thing that voters don't like."
The lawsuit references Delgadillo's concerns expressed in a July 28 report that was sent to the City Council before it voted to put Proposition R on the ballot.
"Combining charter amendments and ordinance provisions in the same ballot question has not been the city's prior practice and could be subject to legal challenge."
kerry.cavanaugh@dailynews.com
(213) 978-0390
Let's play a game.
"Where's Waldo"
"Where's Eric Robles"
MEMO TO THE "LA ANTONIA TIMES"
Baquet, Clayton, and Martinez. Their is your mijo, perly whites and all, pointing to you. I am "BOSS POLLORAIGOSA" and don't forget it!!!. Graet job to you all at the Spring Street P.R. firm. All your hard work, puff stories, glowing editorials, hit pieces on his enemies (Pacheco, Hahn), and what we get ? Flawed legislation that will cost millions in Taxpayers dollors in legal fees. Not that you didn't try to warn your prodical son about the wayward path he was taking in regards to AB 1381. You had great plans for your mijo, uniting our diverse population, tuning street gangs into broom brigades, turning our city into commerce and cultural capital of the Pacific Rim. Yet, using an "Star Wars" analogy, power, and power only, is the craving of "DARTH POLLORAIGOSA". Now who will be the next to feel the wrath of "DARTH POLLORAIGOSA" ?? Nieghborhood Councils ? City Attorney Rocky ? the EAA workers who defied the court order not strike ? Scribes from your own fish wrap who leak appointees to the CRA commission ? LAUSD SEVEN (school board members) ? Good luck in reeling in your Mijo.
Neil Donner: TRULY, a great American! Thanks for the heads up thinking AND action.
Now that LAUSD has been passed (after Arnold's signature), and it will taken up in court...
It's ELECTION SEASON, BABY...so from here on in, it's gonna be AAAAAAAAALLLLLL about the "unethical" Ethics ballot initiative during my Public Comment at City Hall, starting next week.
And I'm gonna keep it real simple for the public: "YOU MUST VOTE 'NO' WHEN YOU SEE THE WORDS 'TERM LIMITS & ETHICS REFORM'
ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT."
(That's better than 2 minutes of explaining "why not", which I will also be doing.)
And regarding: "There is no time for the City Council to approve the hiring of outside legal counsel. The hearing is Sept. 6 at 8:30 a.m. and the City Council doesn't get back from its hard-earned vacation until about that time." YEAH YEAH! Way to use their own favorite trick against them! (Drop off the paperwork Friday at 4pm, for Tuesday's 10am vote.)
Thanks to the efforts of Neil and the others, I am proud to say (Tom LeBong P.A. Announcer Voice):
"Today, is TRULY a GREAT day for the City of Los Aneles."
Zuma Dogg for City Council '07, or,
Mayor of Los Angeles '06 (re-call)
Good morning Zuma Dogg,
I omitted Neal, term limits, ethics from my list of targets of "DARTH POLLORAIGOSA"
10:48 AM
Where is the Jose "ANTONIO" Huizar ??
Villaraigosa looks old. Ugggh.
Getting rid of the Cultural Affairs Department will provide the funds for the City to defend its Term-Limits suit...
and by the way, what ever happened to Hillary(Alatorre's Chief of Staff)? She was without question the hottest cuttie on the Council Floor!!
Jennie Carreon is a hottie!
Actually, getting rid of Cultural Affairs will provide alot of money to hire more cops or pave more streets. How about Valerie Pryor...yea baby!!
Jeanne made be fine but treated constituants like S..t !!!
She joined the Peace Corp
Anger Management
Jennie has therack that will be miss. But what about sweetie Dora ??
You call that a rack?
One size larger is a rack
fyi- when naked the rack sags .
then who was the one that worked out of the CD 14 BH office (brunnette with glasses ?)
Jose has all of Antonio's left overs working for him. The ones Antonio banged went to city hall so he could have them when he wanted. They are all dumb women with low self esteem and daddy issues. Jennie Caron was his made whore during the mayoral campaign and the whole city knew it. Then let's not forget Maria Elena who gossip is as soon as her poor husband's body was cold jumped back wtih Antonio. This is worst then peyton place and now we tax payers are paying the price.
Can anyone go to Superior Court tomorrow.?????
Want to guess which COS is working to get this term limit s..t thrown out on legal grounds so he can run for his bosses seat? I'll give you a hint: his body may be small but his ego is king sized. . .and he is not a dogg.
joe "the ho" ramallo
1:54 Maria is older than Aunt Jemima. No way Jose would AV bang the ol' wench.
Yea, and so what if Jen Jen slept with AV.
Marcus Allen
Who did Antonio "El Alcahuete" bang?
1:12 PM
Did MAV allow you to get "Sloopy Second" ?
MAV
AKA polygamist politician
Did Jen Jen buy a car or still on Public transport
City Hall is on lunch break
Lack of AV defense. Check Back after 3pm.
Not only should we get rid of Cultural Affairs, but also Dept. of Environmental Affairs and the Board of Public Works...am I stepping on some toes yet.
Let's not forget Depts. of Aging, Disability, Project Restore and the Volunteer Bureau.
2:16 PM
All mayor's at "IT TAKES A PUEBLO" celebration for AB 1381 in South L.A.
(bowing low and removing hat with aplomb) Neil Donner, I salute you. You have earned the right to fly the skull and crossbones, have an earring in your ear, wear make up and blog with enough piss and vinegar to rile the City Hall staffers.
Bugger the staffers, sots that they are.
Good going Zuma Dogg. Lots of luck to you when clowncil returns next week. This is going to be very entertaining. You go and tell them. Everyone should be watching. Don't get all crazy now just say the way you feel and you'll be speaking for all of US.
GO DOGG
August 30, 2006 10:59 AM,
Hey idiot, Los Angeles is one of the commercial and cultural capitals of the Pacific Rim, together with Honk Kong and Singapore. Only Tokyo is above all three.
Martini Republic doesn't like it. Term limits are no big deal--but a BILLION DOLLAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND is.
Both the billion dollar affordable housig bond and extend term limits need to be voted against. They go hand-in-hand as far as I am concerned. All these council people care about is developer money. Having the guise of "affordable housing" (which in Los Angeles is a complete joke in itself) just makes all these Council monkeys look good on paper.
Kudos to the guy with the term suit lawsuit. I hope he wins his case. Just the same, voters have to stand up to these jokers and tell them with thier votes that we are tired of this B.S.-we are taking back our city. You all can talk all you want about what has to be. But stand behind your words now and get out in November and VOTE.
Once again lads, a gentle reminder to VOTE FOR THOSE WHO RUN AGAINST GLoria Romero, Alex Padilla, Kevin DeLeon and Fabian Nunez in November.
Once Villabarbosa sees his 4 buddies walk the plank, there will be more scurrying in City Hall than there are rats fleeing a doomed ship.
Walter Moore, last call. Are you willing to sail with a pirate crew? Neil does.
cptsparruisinsaneinthemembrane
Hey Captain Jack
Who's running against Nunez?
How about 1st matey Cedillo?
A Nunez v. Cedillo race would be great, like choosing between SARS and leprosy. Any way you cut it, you're f****d. Unless you're in the country illegally!
Antonio Villaraigosa stared down that huge beuracracy we call the LAUSD and won!!!!
I think I will support anyone Antonio Wants in Council , on School board in the senate and anywhere else for that matter . If he can take charge of the schools .
He can clean up my neighborhood. Next project my neighbohrood , Antonio.
The drug dealers aren't feeling too happy right now that Antonio Villaraigosa won that LAUSD victory.
If a big, steaming pile of feces "stared down" something you disliked, would you support that steaming pile of feces?
cos that fight was between the LAUSD and a big, steaming pile of feces, and not between the LAUSD and someone who could make things better.
...or were you being sarcastic?
I am sitting hear reading posts from neighborohood counicl leaders claiming their fight is about sharing power and changing the way city does business. MOre power to teh people.
Yet , when Antonio Villaraigosa , is pushing for it and wins , now he is a big pile of feces? please. what
your argument becomes moot because you want what Antonio has gotten for all of the cities and their constiuents within LAUSD, which of course is what you want: Share and spread the power , yet when Antonio does you claim that that is not what it is.
Your arguments are now moot. You have no credibility. Because you want the city to abide by ethics laws , but you don't want to. You want the city to be more transparent , but many of us know the majority of these neighbohrood councils are not.
Every post you guys make is only a projection of your own bad personality traits. I beleive Jim ALger has a hear tof gold , but I wonder about the rest. What is your agenda?
But did you get a glimpse of how they edited what I said at the City COuncil during public comments and made it look like the people standing behind me were on my side?
Crazy isn't it. Be careful Zumma if they can edit me they can edit you
I honestly don't know who you believe you are addressing, dgarzila. I'm not in any way someone who might be considered an 'insider' or one of 'you guys.' I'm just some random person in LA, who sees that AV does NOT have the interests in the students of the LAUSD in mind. The students, and their parents, are simply pawns. This is not about sharing power, it's about power, period.
dgarzilla I thought you were somewhat intelligent. Now I'm wondering. The news reported that Antonio was making back room deals at the last minute and the Assembly doesn't give a shit about LA cause and I quote "they knew the bill would be stuck in court" They wanted a promise from Antonio for their vote. How shitty is that? The LA Slimes reported that the bill up lawsuits for the city but your dear Mayor didn't give a shit. So now all the time and money has been wasted for a bill that is goig to be stuck in federal court for years. Good going Antonio. And not a damn thing will change for the kids.
"He can clean up my neighborhood. Next project my neighbohrood , Antonio."
Dgarzila
You are the biggest kiss ass on this blog. Sounds like you learned from pay to play book.
Well , it seems none of you are doing anything about my neighborhood are you?
None of you?
Too busy kissing up to big developers ain't that right BRady , talking out of both sides of your mouth.
You make Jim ALger look like this is an MO you guys are using. Find a hard luck story , get press and then say that you are an advocate for the masses by saying look "who I helped ", but in the mean time , you are making back room deals , calling "special" NEighborhood council committee meetings to approve this developer and that developers whim and wish.
Brady telling the whole Dwontown that he has clkeaned up 5th Street and now the LAPD and the Art GAlleries and the residents in the lofts are saying main street is worse. What's worse is that these Neighborhood Council Leaders are politicians pure and simple , without a mandate from the People.
At Least Antonio Villaraigosa has the clout and pull to get things done , you guys have offended so many stakeholders with your in the loop , never letting us know when a LANCC meeting is , oh YEah , I don't think LANCC has to abide by the brown act. Where are the postings of when and where your meetings are ?
Brady Westwater never spreads the word about them and where they are held and at what times and what the agendas are.
You guys are like the pot calling the kettle black and it is hypocritical. When you guys decide to become transparent then maybe we will see the real revolution , and that poster who posted baout what this LANCC is all about has the truth.
It is about Usurping power from the City of LA and not taking it honestly. Trying to put forth your agendas , with the ability to receive as many gifts from lobbyists as you want to , so you can practice before you become a real council person , but if you tried to run you will be so dirty with dirty money , you would have that thorwn back in your faces , because all of you are novices in the political game and attacking LAtinos for having clout and the ability to get things done , will also not accomplish anything. w
How many Latinos and African Americans are there leading LANCC and how many videos and minutes are there from the over 51 neighborhood councils you claimback you are there to prove that you have the backing.
You want to represent the people , but where is the accountability.
Kiss Ass. No. realist. and Antonio has kicked ass and taken names. He is my hero now. I miss James Hahn. But One project at a time. I am sure he has something up his sleeve to save the lives of my neighbors in skid row.
No offense JIm , but you flew all the way to the South after Katrina, where are you when we need you only a couple of miles from your home , Brady is impotent and all I hear from service pproviders is that Steve Lopez is a dope for taking the advice of Brady Westwater , because BRady does not know how to clean up the area. He is trying to do it the oold fashioned way . Why do you think there is a SRO MOratorium , because BRady can't build a coalition to create . Low income housing somehwere elese so these folks aren't just thrown into the streets.
When you guys decide to represent the masses and not just your twisted warped self-contained neighborhoods and think it is what is good for the whole city and actually work together and do some successful local projects . LIke just the basics , making sure public works cleans the neighborhoods . INstead of trying to tackle all of these huge nimby issues. Then you will get the support of the whole of LA . Until you and your mickey mouse operation does that . YOu will continue to holler that you need three neighborhood councils for a file motion. Please. Prove to us you can organize.
If I wanted to I could organize against BRady Westwater tomorrow and have most of his contituents up in arms because he hasn't kept his promises and word. He is just a politician. It is election time and in public tell the business community Downtown what they want to hear: MOre police , etc etc. I agree , but we need a comprehensive approach and the parroting of experts by Steve Lopez and Brady's . I helped one person bull crap is not going to cut it.
I have my spies in the community all along spring street and all over the place who have seen Brady Westwater walking all hours of the day and night and we will get footage. Because it is some bizarre stuff.
But you need to be more transparent to the neighborhood council stakeholders , but I don't think you will.
dgarzila
Do it yourself and stop whinning!
dgarzile, Alger's ego could not handle just making sure the street sweepers deploy in his neighborhood. There is nothing sexy about that. No one will call him for a statement.
If he really cared about the neighborhood, he would have ensured appropriate outreach was done during his last NC election. Only 79 stakeholders voted. Pathetic. He speaks for no one and it is about time the media start looking for real leaders.
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Actually , who do you think it is that keeps the City Council person in my district apprised of the basic services situation. When a raid takes place , where the dope man is on each corner , what they are waering and where they keep their dope and sometimes even sends in photos. It sure isn't brady Westwater or Jim Alger.
The neighborhood council , sorry to say ,is useless when it comes to simple folk like myself so we don't go to them. Many of us in skid row have a direct connection with our 9th council district member through e-mails and all, and beleive it or not , I even have a direct line to one of 14th council district deputies.
It took KAthleen mcmullen , not Brady Westwater, or anyone else on the board of directors to build a relationship with the LAPD and others to get the ball rolling on the purchase of equipment for the LAPD.
So yes , we do it. We build relationships with our city council people. We don't antagonize the heck out of them and alienate our constituencies , for us it is a matter of life and death.
After I and others - board members -asked Jan Perry for a resolution to be presented to KAtheleen Mcmullen at the Press Conference for the horse we purchased for the Central Division, one of the board members and others became quite irate at the prospects of myself going directly to Jan Perry and her office to ask for a well deserved resolution for her work. The most vicious attacks came from a board memeber who was always in another state.
This is why myself ,and many people , who worked hard to create the Downtown Los angeles Neighborhood council want to see them grow up a bit more and not become usurpers and jokes. Three neighborhood councils for a file motion , please.
You need to create more relationships with the people in the neighborhods , not just their board members. You guys need to create consensus and create alliances.
I have many alliances and many people I go to when I need support and we go to our City Government .
But City Council knows if they neglect my neighborhood I will be on their behind like a wild rabid animal that won't let go.
Like I said if I really want to I can gather and rally the people here in numbers. Doens't take much..
So while you want me and others to go over to your side , instead of attacking us , why don't you give us reasons. NO , because all of your arguments are moot. Your arguments are petty , your wins like the change in the ballot measure wording is also supefluous because it is still ambiguous and confusing.
My major was psychology and it isn't hard to really hear what you guys are really saying. It makes me sick to my stomach.
While you guys claim to want to hold the City accountable what may well grow out of all of this is an organization intent on holding you guys accountable
Don (dgarzilla) Man you sure sound like you've been bought by the clowncil members. What happened to you? All you do is personally attack people and whine and complain. You're acting like a pms'ing woman and its sounds weak. Grow up be a man and stop complaining for christ sake. There's nothing worst then a guy who complains and acts like a crybaby. You have no crediability anymore Don. You've ruined your yourself on this blog. Now go do something constructive with your time and stop posting such crap on here.
You guys keep attacking your coalition.
And you claim to want to represent us all?
Please.
You guys have destroyed your credibility , your arguments are moot , and the sexist post like the one above does nothing to bring us all closer to your train of thought.
Apparently when one has to resort to using someone elses argument- such as the parroting of mine above , says that your ammunition has been expended and there is not much you can do anymore in the way of arguing your position.
No one has been bought . I am just making my argument that you do not represent us all and to think you are going to say you do and then not want to abide by ethics rules yourselves tells me a lot about what you are about.
Once again?
Why are the leaders of the LANCC all white , middle aged men. Is that representative of the whole City of Los Angeles?
No credibility there.
Like I have said many times if Jim Alger can build a coalition he could do it. The others well I don't know who they are or what they represent.
If Jim could defeat Walmart I am sure he could clean up main street which Brady Westwater of course has failed to do.
P.s.
8:24
Poster. Youve left your signature in that post above and there are photos of you engaged in illegal behavior here in skid row.
Just for your FYI.
IS THIS A THREAT DGARZILA?
no threats.
Just we know who that peson is who posted.
And there signature is there. Only one person who calls me that on here using my real name.
Jaime Green
fyi
lapd already has the photos .
The same Jaime Green who Brady Westwater appointed as a board member.
12:47 says "I haven't seen this type of grass root movement against something in a long time."
that's exactly the point. you "Neighborhood council leaders" are always opposing things. why do you think nobody with any real power listens to you or wants to work with you? you threaten people and make them afraid of you and that works in the very short term.
but in the long run, you will never have any real power until you can actually stand FOR something and get something done.
My suggestion-- now that you've had your day in court, go back to your neighborhoods (which you are supposed to be representing, remember?), do your outreach, spend your money, and do something that actually creates positive change rather than continuing to oppose things because you think that it will make people respect you!
Here' what Rocky Delgadillo told Garcetti & Clowncil about "Term Limits & Ethcic Reform Ballot Measure "R". (Remember, HE is Clowncil's Legal Council. They literraly told him, "Shut up and type it up."
Rocky says:
"A Charter amendment and municipal ordinance on the same ballot measure is CONFUSING TO VOTERS, and subjects the City to a possible court challenge.
Only the term limit portion reuqires a charter amendment and vote of the people. THE ETHICS PORTION DOES NOT.
And the other thing on the ethics side, The Ethics Commisionhas a charter mandated duty to VET proposals. Now that obligation HAS NOT been met with these proposals. The ethics commision has been LEFT OUT of the charter mandated role.
And something of this importance, you would want the Neigborhood Council to weigh in, too. I know there are a number of Councilmembers who would like to see that, too.
AND WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THESE PROVISIOS MIGHT ACTUALLY WEAKEN ETHICS LAWS. And there needs to be public input as an important part of the process.
ALL WE ARE ASKING, IS FOR YOU TO BE "HONEST" WITH VOTERS. DON'T HOLD ETHICS REFORM HOSTAGE TO ANOTHER AGENDA." - R. Delgadillo/City Attorney
Welp, triumphant victory part one, today (judge sides with Rocky over the misleading verbage of the ballot, making Clowncil change wording from, "Limiting Coucilmembers to three terms" -- to, "Lenghtening Councilmember Terms from two to three."
And next week, the judge is virtually certain to throw out the whole measure for the combining of two separate items on one initiative.
And that will make it easier for Z.D. to become Mayor of L.A. in '09. (unless Mayor V. is thrown out of office, even sooner, which is becoming more and more likely.
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