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Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Inbox Cleaning for the Transit Nerds

You are cordially invited to be the guest of the Economic Alliance, Metro and Sherman Oaks Galleria for a special preview of "One of the Most Sophisticated Transit Vehicles Ever".

The Metro Orange Line's
Metro Liner
Tuesday - August 30, 2005
11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Sherman Oaks Galleria

The Metro Liner is called "“the most sophisticated transit vehicle ever introduced in North America...the biggest leap in styling and appearance our industry has seen in over 30 years."”

The Metro Liner will be parked in front of The Cheesecake Factory at the corner of Ventura and Sepulveda boulevards. Guests will be able to walk through the Metro Liner and learn more about it and the Metro Orange Line from Metro representatives. Don't miss this one! Refreshments and souvenirs will be available for all in attendance.


Blogger ubrayj02 said:

That is a funny looking bus.

August 23, 2005 8:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Disneyland anyone?

August 23, 2005 9:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Beam me up Scottie!

August 23, 2005 9:21 AM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

Have you seen the stations? They look like a cross between the old style McDonalds and the Tomorrowland monorail station at Disneyland. Especially at night.

The other thing about the busway that concerns this old dead Mayor is the intersections where the busway crosses at diagonal lines.

August 23, 2005 9:58 AM  

Blogger ubrayj02 said:

Mayor Sam,

You are right about those diagonal crossings - even with the best timing those things will inevitably cause delays.

Speaking from experience (with the Gold Line in my backyard), the blinking lights and the train passing through only takes about 30 or 40 seconds. So maybe the delays won't be nightmarish (nightmarish = cargo train) for this new bus line.

Even though it kind of starts in wierd place, the new Orange Line goes right to the civic center in the Valley. So that is a plus (as opposed to the raillines, which pass a good 3 or 4 blocks away from important public buildings in Downtown).

August 23, 2005 10:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bart Reed from the transit coalition of one man must be creaming in his pants. To bad he cant afford a bus pass.

August 23, 2005 11:16 AM  

Blogger ubrayj02 said:

Maybe this type of bus transit could be used in Norwalk to make the Green Line actually function - and allow easier acces to the County Registrar/Recorder's Office, Library, and Sheriff's Station (as well as the damned Metrolink Station 2 miles away!).

Getting off of one vehicle and transfering to another is a pain in the butt however - and always entails you standing outside for, like, 40 minutes because it seems that the MTA and the local services never coordinate their pick-ups and drop-offs.

August 23, 2005 12:27 PM  

Blogger PracticalVisionary said:

I would have been just as easy and cost effective to build this Busway as a Light Rail Line. Right of way already in place, proven technology, mostly at-grade but can support more capacity and operate at faster more reliable speeds.

Oh well, that makes too much sense

August 23, 2005 12:40 PM  

Blogger ubrayj02 said:


Would it really have been the same cost to build a light-rail line, instead of buses?

Maybe I have been reading too many MTA press releases - because I could've sworn there was some sort of dramatic savings to be had by using buses instead of trains.

Maybe it is in upfront capital costs? Like, buses cost less upfront, or their infrastructure costs less upfront. Or was it that their replacement and repair can be cheaper (because there is more of a market for buses than for trains), etc.

August 23, 2005 1:19 PM  

Blogger PracticalVisionary said:

It was cheaper up front and Politically feasiable to build.

I said it's cost-effective (maximizing the bang for the buck)

Considering that most of the infrastructure is built and structured to light rail standards, it's definetely possible. One other thing to consider is that all of the $350 getting close to $400 million dollars cost of the Busway were mostly from Local and State Funds, meaning this project had a serious opportunity to ask for New Starts funds and get twice the amount and complete the entire line and have the capability to provide relief to the busy and congested 101 freeway.

Light Rail would operate faster and would be just as cost effective since there wouldn't have require much tunneling or have the trains run elevated. Right now the as planned and built Busway will be maxed to capacity from day one because of the at-grade crossings and signalling. Where as the rail would allow the speeds to go faster to permit more and longer trains to operate.

August 23, 2005 2:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The project is $330 million

August 23, 2005 3:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Actually, they cannot build light rail as legislation enacted by Alan Robbins prohibits this and none of our State legislators have gotten around to changing this nor do any of them seem likely to do so. Light rail has speed and capacity that no bus will ever have. It's true that it cost more to build, but it costs far less to operate. The Bus is for today--rail is for the future.

August 23, 2005 3:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"The project is $330 million "

Originally the cost of this project is $330 Million, but last summer's lawsuit costs the project $20 million in delays, and they have to include an additional $20 million for new parking structures and adding elements that weren't mentioned in the original plan.

August 24, 2005 9:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Actually, they cannot build light rail as legislation enacted by Alan Robbins prohibits this and none of our State legislators have gotten around to changing this nor do any of them seem likely to do so."

But based off the language of the Robbins Bill, A busway counts as a fixed guideway project. The one thing that saved it was that they included an on street detour option. Light Rail if given that option would have worked. But oh well. At least there's service.

August 24, 2005 9:52 AM  

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