Antonio Not Confident?
As Tony Villar chases the Mayor's seat, perhaps he sees writing on the wall and is already preparing for his future. Today on KABC, Wacko Walter Moore announced that Tony has taken out papers to run for the state legislature in 2006, as has Richard Alarcon.
Perhaps his detractors in his district are right. Maybe even if he is Mayor, he will run for Assembly? I doubt that - but is Antonio a restless kind of guy? I am sure he is hedging his bets but man - planning another campaign when you are in the middle of a major one. May not look good.
We are certain that MEAT will have an explanation, so blog away dum dums. Speaking of MEAT, LA Voice has a mention of the Sister City that highlights our favorite Tony Villar supporter.
Perhaps his detractors in his district are right. Maybe even if he is Mayor, he will run for Assembly? I doubt that - but is Antonio a restless kind of guy? I am sure he is hedging his bets but man - planning another campaign when you are in the middle of a major one. May not look good.
We are certain that MEAT will have an explanation, so blog away dum dums. Speaking of MEAT, LA Voice has a mention of the Sister City that highlights our favorite Tony Villar supporter.
Posted by Mayor Sam @ 2/01/2005 09:09:00 AM
65 Comments:
Hey Meat, your boss is the Chair of the Transportation Committee for the past two years right? Then why in the hell didn't he catch this? LA Times today....In 1998, city officials struck a deal to split the money from a new fine on scofflaws with the firm that collected parking ticket payments. But for seven years, city officials failed to ask for their share. Now, the firm is $20 million richer and city officials want the windfall back.
So, do I understand this? Antonio Villaraigosa runs for city council promising to stay in office, should he win, AT LEAST for the full 4-year term. He also promises to NOT run for Mayor. He then BREAKS those promises, etc., etc, runs for mayor and, it seems, should he lose this race he will simply start campaigning for something in Sacramento. Will we people in CD14 ever see Villaraigosa? Recall people you have just got yourself another signature!
everybody calm down. this is the senate account that he opened a long time ago, before he even ran for council.
Mayor Sam;
I know you're a dead pol and not a journalist, but please, a tiny little bit of work before you throw something out there would be appreciated.
This is left-over state election money that, under Prop 34, has to be attached to some office. The account was set up when Antonio left the Assembly -- before he ran for Mayor in 01. And he's been spending it to support issues he cares about -- like Measure K last year.
"Wacko Walter" is just plain wrong.
Parke Skelton
Villaraigosa for MAyor
Now let me see if I understand this explanation correctly. In 2001, he set up a campaign fund to run in 2006 for State Senate (why not sooner?) Why not strike while people still had a picture of AV as a state legislator?
I'm dum dum-founded!
Any body else notice that MEAT and Parke Skelton never post at the same time? Hmmmm, don't "work" for AV, not one staff -- is being on contract with a private consulting firm really working "for" someone?
OK, Parke, I am willing to be persuaded. Why designate the account Friends of Villaraigosa 2006? Why not 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008? What is the significance of 2006?
FROM MEAT:
Look i'll be 100% fair on this issue -- i don't have lexis-nexis or a way to pull up the old story, but in December of 2000 the LA Times wrote a story about this account being created.
You can use that story has more fodder for your conspiracy theories, but it does lend credence to what Parke Skelton wrote above. The account was created out of Prop 34, and its the same account that was used to support Measure A with.
If someone can post that old LA Times story, which isn't in the best light for Antonio, it will prove this is a very old story given a new energy by this blog.
You weirdos can concentrate on this story if it makes you feel that it somehow validates your craziness, but its a waste of time.
blog away.
I hear Hahn's team went easy on Villaraigosa last time. There were a million things he could have hit him on but they knew the Vignali spot would get the job done all by itself. So with all that ammunition left unspent, Carrick, Kuwata and Co. know it will be easy to take Villaraigosa in the general this time, too, which is why they're focusing their attacks on Hertzberg right now.
Villaraigosa is smart to look for his next gig.
Villaraigosa already HAS a six-figure job, sworn to work for CD 14 until 2007, maybe more. What gives? There are still plenty of potholes here. Come back Antoooooonio, all is forgiven (well, most). The rapidly dwindling 56 percent that elected you less than two years ago can still be wooed. It's what you do best!
FROM ARMANDO:
TO SN:
SacramentoNighties is just another of one of these non-sense bloggers that has his information mixed up. But hey, I'll give him his due credit: at least he had the cojones to create a login name, which gives him some identity on this blog. Maybe some of the other bloggers on here who are so easy to talk would be willing to follow SN's lead, or at least a tag name to follow.
You stated that it's purely a coincidence (of course, in a sarcastic manner) that the senate account Villaraigosa has is for the Senate account that Gil Cedillo currently occupies. Yes, it is. If you were to see when the account was established (look it up on the LA Public Library's database of newspapers), it was during a time period when both Cedillo and Villaraigosa were serving terms in the State Assembly. This account was not set to be used as a war chest against Gil Cedillo, as their respective assembly districts are within the 22nd Senate District boundaries. When it was setup, the district had it's representative already serving (and it wasn't Gil).
The only coincidence that I can think about is Cedillo endorsing Hahn. With Cedillo seeing one of Hahn's top deputies, it's an endorsement that one can't help but to wonder what motives were behind it. No matter what argument Cedillo can make to justify his endorsement, people will always question how genuine it is since his private affairs are so closely tied to Hahn.
To think that it would be used to "settle a score" as you put it is just foolish. Compare the accomplishments of Villaraigosa to "One Bill" Gil, and I'm sure that you can have a clear cut picture of who might be going after who.
Welcome to the blog, and I'm sure you and I will be having some pretty good exchanges in the time to come.
Under state law, you can carry surplus funds, but they have to be tied to an election in thae current fundraising cycle. So the surplus fund account gets ammended to reflect the new cycle every two years. There are many former legislators with similar accounts.
Believe me, if AV was thinking about running for another state office, he wouldn't have spent $500,000 out of this account trying to help pass the police tax issue last November.
Parke
ARMANDO
Might want to refresh and look at some of the other posts before you start dating things back to 2000/2001.
Other posters can read and research, too:
"The 2006 account with $250,000 in it only has a history of activity starting 1/05. And that account has never had another name, according to the filing." Sez one.
"Why designate the account Friends of Villaraigosa 2006? Why not 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008? What is the significance of 2006?" Sez another. . .
FROM ARMANDO
TO SN:
HELLO!!! Anybody there?! I always put "ARMANDO" at the top. Look at my previous entries. I'm sure that Mayor Sam can back me up on this one.
Who would have thought Antonio Villaraigosa, the last of the red-hot liberals who be caught doing a bad George Bush (41) impersonation. "Not gonn' do it" - "read my lips, no new campaigns!"
Wouldn't be "pruden'" at this juncture?
FROM MEAT:
You are right the big guns are out -- and there's a simple explanation why, this charge was leveled by a candidate for Mayor, not someone who has 1,253 copies of Catcher in the Rye sitting on their bookshelf.
Sadly, i get to deal mostly with the Catcher crowd, but when a credible candidate for Mayor like Mr Moore levels a charge that is false, the big guns will come in and clean it up as simple as a water puddle.
blog away.
MEAT writes: ". . . when a credible candidate for Mayor like Mr Moore levels a charge that is false. . ."
So, since he's now "credible," you and Villaraigosa's campaign folks will be INSISTING that he be included as an equal contributor in all future mayoral debates right? Or else you WON'T take part. . . on principle (look that word up, it's in Websters). Tony V. is nothing if not fair and above board!
Antonio has used a lot of that money for organizations outside CD14. Not only that he has listed giving $1,000 to Housing Authority. Weren't they just audited for screwing around with their budget? Meat. looks as if your boss got caught in something big.
Mayor Sam now this is a story. You're reminding me of the good old Geraldo Rivera days when he really use to be a credible journalist and go after the big guns and put them on camera.
FROM MEAT:
Hold your horses there buddy, i am not on the campaign payroll, nor am i a consultant to the campaign. I have no control over the debate invite list or the schedule, but i do recall last night Mr Villaraigosa debated Walter Moore, as did Mr Parks and Mr Alarcon.
If you are new to this site, no worries, but if you've ever read any of my past postings on Mr Moore, i am a big fan of his, for one simple reason -- he gets republican votes (which is great) but only improves the chances of Antonio getting the run-off. I've been consistent on this issue and very open proclaiming it. If you read the archives you will note that this has been my personal position on Mr Moore the entire time.
blog away.
If you don't believe Parke or MEAT, and want independent verification, check out the SS's website for yourself:
http://cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Candidates/list.aspx?view=name
Search: Villaraigosa. You'll find his accounts and can research his contributions and expenditures yourself. This particular account goes back a few years where he's given to important organizations and campaigns like the MLK Legacy Association and Measure B that aided emergency rooms in LA County to name a few.
Poster says: "If you don't believe Parke or MEAT. . ."
Not believe the hired/inspired guns of Truthless Tony, what kind of "rabble" do you take us for?
Now I know why you are called FromDaCheapSeats. You try your best. I'll give you that, but those nose bleed seats are clouding your mind. The spin isn't only coming from Parke and Meat. Sounds like you and everyone else including Walter Moore (aka Moore is NOT Better) are trying your hardest to defame Councilman Villaraigosa. If you were at the debate last night you may have remembered that Moore also mentioned Richard Alarcon and a bid for the Assembly. Yet the focus is on Villaraigosa. Why is that? If he wasn't a viable candidate despite all these accusations why does everyone focus on him with such fervor? Makes you wonder about his campaign and the possibilities. I welcome your feedback.
I say we start a campaign to defeat the politicians who use campaign money to help community organizations and vitally important bond measures for more cops and emergency services. Who's with me?
Boy you people make me laugh. Your going to burn someone at the stake for contributing old campaign funds to meaningful endeavors. I have my doubts about the people who post on this site. I hear ya loud and clear, but some of you don't have a clue. Have fun with your little postings. It's better than reading about Ben and Jen (Garner) in US Weekly or In Touch.
Another "anonymous" says: "... Moore also mentioned Richard Alarcon and a bid for the Assembly. Yet the focus is on Villaraigosa. Why is that?"
Well, for one, don't remember Alarcon promising to stay in the city council for at least 1-2 terms; then saying "my constituents wanted me to break that promise, I asked them, they said 'sure, go ahead, we enjoy adjusting to new, clueless field staffs every two years'."
There is a campaign already. It's called the Committee to Recall Antonio Villaraigosa.
ABV
FROM MEAT:
Hey Sacramento nighties -- according to your logic trauma centers and more cops don't help the folks in the district. And Antonio should curse the day he was ever born in Los Angeles the 2nd largest media market in the country. I mean according to you Antonio shouldn't campaign for any issue because somehow there is an ulterior motive because of this media market.
I think you are trying to figure out any rationale for your conspiracy filled brain to sound intelligent.
Your rants make no sense, he campaigns for issues that help his district -- trauma centers and more cops -- but lets fry the guy because it happens to be in the 2nd pargest media market, let's fry the guy because he didn't give to your community organization, let's fry the guy because he gave political money to political organizations, let's just fry the guy.
If any account should be scutinized its the legal defense fund set up by this criminal mayor of ours -- he's let this city be paralyzed by scandal, he's offered no vision to make this city a better place, he has no plan.
FBI agents coming and going virtually everyday, the Hahns 20 years of service matches perfectly with the Gotti family's 20 years of service too. What a coincidence.
blog away.
We should put Antonio in a room with CD14 community members and ask him why did he took money from 2 neighbhorhood councils knowing full well he had all this money and gave to outside of his district. Meat cannot deny that fact. Its really sad to think he used his own community out of greed.
FROM MEAT:
You are right Sacramento Nighties i may have confused the postings of others (cheap seats probably) and lumped them with yours. For that i apologize.
As for stealing credit on those two issues, nothing of the doing. Will he state what he did to help those initiatives if pressed - not sure since i am not with him, but simple logic tells me he'd be fine with letting others know what he did to help.
As for the NC stuff -- Mr Padilla sitting on over 300 k for his reelection, has asked NC's to help for several city events, Ludlow getting help for his clean-up next week from NC's... wait is it possible i can find instances in every council district where there was some coordination between the neighborhood councils and the council office? Yes. Do these elected's have office-holder and other political accounts -YES. Do they typically give political money to city sponsered events (NOT ALLOWED). I think folks need to do some more legal homework on whats permissible and what isn't before they start making accusations about greed. Lastly, the democratically elected NC's approved the expenditures, so if there is any grief its with the board, not the council offices -- any of them in any district.
blog away dum-dums.
You know there are ethics rules when it comes to using campaign money and city money. If you don't know the difference then maybe you work for Mayor Hahn. The 3rd Floor sometimes gets confused with those small things. Your rants about Villraigosa are always amusing, but encourage you to try harder. Maybe one day you will find something that sticks. Meat has some good points. Oh let's hear you little girls scream at that line.
Problem is MEAT I'm sure Padilla and Ludlow didn't LIE to their constituents like Antonio LIED to the NC's. He stated over and over he was broke, didn't have a budget and pleaded and begged for the money. He had his field staffer Dora attend a NC and beg saying Antonio didn't have any money and it was for the community. That sure as hell sounds like GREED to me when he's sitting on over $200,000. If Antonio would have said,"look I have over $200,000 but I don't want to use it all up so can you give me $1,000 and I'll use your money for your community." What an asshole! That's exactly what happened.
MEAT, you focus too narrowly in neighborhood councils, because it's any easy dodge. The NCs account for a very small portion of the activities, activists, and identified needs in any community. They're a few hundred elected advisors voted on by a few thousand stakeholders out of the 300K residents in the district.
For every NC board and cause there are dozens if not hundreds of unfunded and underfunded, deserving civic groups, activist coalitions, community uplift efforts, etc. with no formal ties to the city, but REAL needs.
Deflect to Padilla and others if you like. If any of them run for Mayor, they're fair game (but they're not). Other than Parks, they're all finishing their terms (some for the 2nd time, just imagine), like good little councilmembers -- and the folks in CD 14 don't give a care what Parks does!
(Is this maybe why most NC presidents in the 14 district are supporting ABV for Mayor?)
This posting and enitre conversation is really BORING. This reminds me of Parks beating the LAPD 3-day work week issue to death. This horse is DEAD people!
I am pointing out that this posting has degenerated from a solid debate on the issues to circular babble. So Sacramento – why don’t you put on your nighties and go to sleep. You arguments make me snooze.
The NC's presidents in CD14 aren't supporting anyone. It's against DONE for any president to endorse any candidate or be political about the mayoral campaign. So that's b.s.
Here's another spin. Villaraigosa is opposing a tax measure to hire more cops. Yet, he was for it with Measure A. But because now it's Hahn's idea he and his good buddy Parks are opposing what could possibly mean more LAPD officers and would greatly help Bratton. Daily Breeze....... In reality, two council members who oppose the tax represent neighborhoods with some of the city's highest homicide rates -- Villaraigosa, whose district includes Boyle Heights, and Parks, whose district takes in a portion of South Los Angeles.
Hey CD14 Recall idiots,
Why have you failed to file your year-end campaign finance statement. You're raising and spending money. You even managed to figure out how to get a FPPC ID number (1272835). So file -- inquiring minds want to know. There are legal penalties for not filing you know...
MEAT says, "I think folks need to do some more legal homework on whats permissible and what isn't before they start making accusations about greed."
MEAT should practice what he preaches. There is absolutely nothing illegal or unethical for Villaraigosa to use his STATE fund to help local groups; and if you review his filings you see he has done that outside CD 14.
Look, everyone should just accept the fact that Villaraigosa is a typical politician who only does things that make HIM look good. It's not a crime.
For example, he gives a Downtown group money from the CLARTS fund when the transfer station is in Boyle Heights. Could it have something to do with the westside board of directors for that downtown group? Duh, of course it does.
Villaraigosa spends HIS money where HE thinks it will get HIM the most politicall mileage. Villaraigosa is typical politician; and by the way, they tend to lie about it later.
Everyone knows that he doesn't like being a councilmember; he only did it to get back into politics, when he couldn't find a real job.
Yet another "anon" says: "The NC's presidents in CD14 aren't supporting anyone. It's against DONE for any president to endorse any candidate or be political about the mayoral campaign. So that's b.s."
If by b.s. you mean "bad service" -- you're right, that's what most are saying about CD14 council staff performance as they make their choices. . . but you're WAY wrong about support and endorsements. NC boards can't do that, true. But any member of pres. can do anything they want as an individual.
Can’t we talk about something fun? Geez, there is never any good gossip or talk about hot city employees on this page. A debate on the issues is needed, but there should be some balance. We need some fun, and after looking through the archives, this blog needs some spice. What happen to the old Mayor Sam who made us laugh? This page has turned into an AV/MEAT blog.
You're wrong. There's one president Highland Park of NC who got in big trouble for coming out in support and got nailed by his board. They may recall him. Not one other president has come out or said "personally" that they support AV. So go ahead put your facts down if your so sure.
How is it that someone cannot personally endorse? I understand that they can't use their neighborhood titles, but how does being the president of one of these organizations prohibit them from excercising their freedom of speech?
So, a neighborhood council president cannot endorse, but an elected official can? A City Commissioner can endorse (without, of course, using their official title) but an insignificant officer in a neighborhood council can't endorse?
It sounds like you should do your homework.
I DID MY HOMEWORK LOSER AND THIS IS FROM DONE....Neighborhood Councils cannot endorse candidates for public office. THAT MEANS NO PRESIDENT OF ANY NC CAN ENDORSE A CANDIDATE. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS ETC. ENDORSE THEY CAN'T. NOW IF A PRESIDENT WANTS TO ENDORSE AS JOE BLOW AND NOT STATE WHICH NC HE'S FROM THAT TOTALLY DIFFERENT. BUT THEN AGAIN IT WON'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING.
The president of a neighborhood council, in his/her personal capacity, CAN endorse a candidate
Yes, but if they can't say what NC they are affilated with it doesn't mean a damn thing. I don't know of one NC president that has come out citywide endorsing any one candidate as Joe Blow private citizen. That's the power of the NC.
Well there is one very visible NC member from the SFV (not sure of his position nowadays) that has sent a mass email to his list (compiled from the NC database no doubt or else I don't know how he got my email address) to express his support for one particular mayoral candidate from the SFV. I was on his email list where he emphatically expressed his support for this candidate and urged others to join him. You can guess the identity of that person. Not like it really matters, but there are NC members making a push for certain candidates
I guess you did do your homework, you're just an idiot who can't communicate clearly. Let's take an example:
"THAT MEANS NO PRESIDENT OF ANY NC CAN ENDORSE A CANDIDATE."
"NOW IF A PRESIDENT WANTS TO ENDORSE AS JOE BLOW AND NOT STATE WHICH NC HE'S FROM THAT TOTALLY DIFFERENT."
Wow, the ability to forcefully claim two things that mean the opposite is truly stunning. I can only imagine the intellect it takes to perform such a difficult task.
Most campaign literature will identify the person's nc affiliation but asterisk it to suggest the use is for identification purposes only and not meant to be an endorsement of the organization.
Let's get back to the issue. Which CD14 NC presidents have endorsed Antonio? N
Let's get back to the issue. Which CD14 NC presidents have endorsed Antonio? N
None?
I think it was MEAT or someone posted earlier that CD14 Neighborhood Council presidents were endorsing Antonio. I don't think so. I think LA32 are Alarcon supporters though.
Isn't Rick Acosta (LA-32 President) facing a recall himself??? I could have sworn that I heard that from some people at an LA-32 meeting.
You are so right Sacramento. AV hasn't been to a BHNC meeting on the Eastside since early last year. His field person shows up, talks endlessly on cellphone, then leaves before the big issues are discussed. Almost as if they need to make an appearance and get the hell out. Pretty sad but typical of how AV and his staff have treated the community for the past 2 years. Now again another broom sweeping by residents. Gee, this is all he can think of? Homicides, drugs, gangs, vendors and he thinks of broom!!!
BHNC? Antonio represents BEVERLY HILLS, too. Now that's some gerrymandering. Might explain why he's getting more money for the mayor's race from the westside than his own district, too.
Word is his supporters on El Sereno Neighborhood Council are all being recalled. Cynthia Ruiz, Alvin Parra and I think one more who are on LA32.
The deep-pockets AV fundraiser that stirred up the hornets nest with neighbouring councils over the park name is on the short list, too.
Small world -- wasn't Parra the one that Villaraigosa stepped over to run for Council in the first place. He pulled back as a favor, so AV would have a clean shot at the seat, then went on to muff his wife's chances for school board via Dick Riordan.
Since MEAT had a whole section on guessing his identity, I think we should have one for SacramentoNighties (aka WackoFromSacko). You know CD 14 well. You must have some association to SAC. You must also be associated to someone in that area who doesn't like Villaraigosa for personal and political reasons. Whoa, maybe its Gil Cedillo...hmmmmm....that would be too easy. But you do know your Eastside. You could also be Bill Mabie or someone else from Padilla or Cardenas' office. I think its time we move away from the politics for a little bit and have some fun with this clever poster.
Stepped over huh...Interesting
Sorry I'm a little slow, but what the hell is your point with the above post Mr. Nightie?
???
i think SacramentoNighties point was rather good (although you are spelling your name a little different nowadays)!
Wasn't the "Parra for School Board" campaign also a Parke Skelton joint?
Well he is a political consultant. That gets the food on the table you know.
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