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Monday, January 31, 2005

What's Up With Bitter Bernie?

Bitter BernieHere at the Sister City we've been spending so much time on Mayor Poopy, Tony Villar and Hugsberg (even Wacko Walter too) that we've forgotten about Bitter Bernie for the most part. At best, he's gotten passing references in posts about other candidates.

Back in the day, any post about Bitter Bernie was good for some buzz here, but he just doesn't get the ink anymore. The most recent news item that reference Bernard Parks is a mention of his endorsement of candidate Bill Rosendahl on Westside Today.

So if any of you have any news about Bitter Bernie, feel free to post it here. With his candidate days numbered, you may not have more opportunities.

47 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bernie is quietly moving along in the fund raising and in the people contacts and doing better than everyone expected.

He is participating in all debates and doing a very good job.

You may be surprised at what happens in the polls and when he knocks Hahn out of the runoff.

January 31, 2005 10:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bernie - I did not you read Mayor sam!

January 31, 2005 11:03 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That last post I'm sure was an April Fool's joke. Bitter Bernie needs to "move on." For being a former chief he should be ashamed the way he criticizes LAPD. He doesn't have a chance in hell and everyone but Bobbi and Parks Jr. know it. He's one of the highest paid politican's in the country and yet he has the nerve to bitch and complain about officers getting a much deserved raise. His own constituents are now realizing their stuck with his sorry butt for a couple more years. Every newspaper has dogged him and advised he drop out before he truly embarrasses himself more than he always has.

January 31, 2005 11:03 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Stop calling him BITTER BERMIE.

Bernard Parks is a classy guy with a sincere and strong desire to make this City a better place (including the Valley). If he didn't care, he wouldn't have remained in what used to be a racist police department for over 30 years and put himself back in public life after having been so wrongfully disrespected by Hahn. All reports say he is doing a hell of a job as a City Councilman and is very smart.

So, call her BITTER BOBBI if you want, but Bitter Bernie is a non starter.

January 31, 2005 11:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Counting out Parks is a mistake. Our polling still has him about 2 to 1 ahead of Hertzberg and in striking distance of a run-off. If he can keep his strong fundraising going (he outraised everyone in the last period)he's still in this.

Bob has spent almost a million bucks so far -- for nothing. No movement. And now, with Schwartzenegger saying he is staying out - at least in the primary -- Bob's in trouble.

It's still a 4-way race.

January 31, 2005 11:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT: I like Parks -- i think he is an honest guy - he may be wrong at times with his opinions, but they are honest and refreshing.

That said, his fundraising this last period is due to one person - Bobbi his wife. The way she was able to shake down all the liquor stores in the district and blackmail them to give her husband 7,000 is awesome to say the least. The Parks campaign finally raised the 100,000 dollars in 7,000 chunks he was allowed to because of Walter Moore's loan of 100,000.

As a hack i respect how the got the money, as a non-parks supporter i figured i'd let folks know how he got his money.

I hope Parks continues to outraise everyone though -- it hurts Hahn everyday Parks gets his message across.

blog away.

January 31, 2005 11:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

There were more homicides in Bitter Bernie's district than other parts of city, he has more liquor stores in his area and he takes money from these establishment that sell to minors. Bitter Bernie is one if the nost corrupt people in city hall. He was responsible for not doing anything about Rampart until it was too late. He promoted a commander who had a major domestic violence complaint (KIM) in his file. He also promoted his best friend Deputy Chief Maurice Moore who was caught by the FBI and IRS laundering money for his major drug dealer son. He knew about it, Parks knew about it and still got promoted. He knew personally knew the officers involved in Rampart, Perez, Mack etc. He's a stubborn vindictive SOB and needs to finally be punished for his actions. When Connie Rice releases her report on Rampart after mayor campaign you will all see what a loser Bitter Bernie really is.

January 31, 2005 12:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey MEAT:

Can you go into detail regarding the shakedown of the liquor stores? Community groups in CD8 could not figure out why Parks so vociferously supported liquor licenses for Super Bee & Numero Uno markets. Thankfully, community pressure stopped the license process for Super Bee & they are working on Numero Uno.

--Bonita Applebaum

January 31, 2005 12:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

IF Bitter Bernie is great why hasn't one single other council member endorsed him? Not even Perry endorsed him that has to say a lot. Word is people are praying he goes away quietly. He is soooooooo jealous of Bratton's reputation and how people in the city love him. Bratton has made Bitter Bernie look horrible. Where are all the black reverends, black activists etc. coming out to support him? They know better. They love Bratton cause he's a real person and he cares more about their community then Bitter Bernie

January 31, 2005 12:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This L.A. mayor's race has more unsettled "vendettas" in it than a Sicilian graveyard.

BOTH Parks and Villaraigosa are trying to even up old scores against Hahn. BOTH swear he needs to be ousted for the good of the city.

BOTH say they respect each other (Parks - Villaraigosa) greatly -- but apparently not enough to set aside their own egotistical need to embarrass Hahn (personally) by getting even and beating him. The personal vendetta therefore reigns supreme over the city's needs to oust an allegedly "corrupt" government.

The true statesman will be the first one that believes their own spin that the "city deserves better" enough to bow out, endorse the other, and give their fellow councilmember a better shot at unseating Hahn. Don't hold your breath (Hahn isn't -- maybe it's good politics to make several self-serving enemies instead of just one).

BOTH will go back to city council next month, try to sweep the cobwebs off their original mandate after failing to get even with the mayor (in Villaraigosa's case, only until the next bus comes through on the way to Sacramento where he has another, newer vendetta to settle).

BOTH will be weaker, have served their already historically neglected districts less effectively for 12+ months, and remain far less able to get anything done for constituents that faithfully threw aside other, more focused candidates carrying far less petty baggage in order to give these two their stepping stones.

January 31, 2005 12:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Antonio has the same vendetta Tom Bradley had againt Mayor Sam Yorty (sorry sam). Both Mayor Sam and Hahn likened slammed thier opponents with negative innuendo and racist tactics.

blog away.

January 31, 2005 1:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bitter Bernie was one of the very few who sided with Wal Mart and lost that battle. Antonio is making a huge mistake aligning himself with that loser. MEAT beware. Antonio's people are outting you. We all know you're ULYSESS field staffer for AV. AV's inside staff don't like you so they're backstabbing you...watch out.

January 31, 2005 2:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

LOL - that has to be the funniest comment ever posted on this site.

A. I am not Ulysses
B. Antonio's campaign (not his city, because his city staff doesn't care to read this blog) staff knows who i am - and they know i am not Ulysses.
C. If they were outing me (and they aren't) each and every one of them loves me in their own special way.
D. I am 29 and i live in Los Feliz - two facts that i KNOW aren't comparable with Ulysses.
E. Mayor Sam and Chief Parker know me -- and they know i am not Ulysses.
F. Half if not the whole Hertzberg campaign knows me - and they know i am NOT Ulysses.
G. In fact a member of Hertzberg's campaign initially gave me the nickname i have -- and he did not give this name to Ulyssses.
H. You and all the Meat-haters are the dumbest people i've ever encountered in the web.
I. I personally like writing this comment and want to continue the letters.

blog away dum-dums.

January 31, 2005 2:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Haven't you heard the saying "Thou who protests loudly etc. etc. MEAT you sound like a suspect who is proclaming his innocence after officers arrest him, holding a 9mm and the body right under his feet. We're not fools. I remember reading a while back that a Hertzberg person said you were Ulysess. So don't protest to loud now.

January 31, 2005 2:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The person you are referring to is Brian Hay, Hertzberg's CIO, and he said that MEAT is not Ulisses. Get off his back and move on with your ridiculous comments.

Blog away, dumb ass.

January 31, 2005 2:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ah, the race card accusation. . . what TOOK you so long!

January 31, 2005 2:42 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

Yes I do know who MEAT is and he is not Ulysses.

January 31, 2005 3:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

People need to be careful about where and to whom they discuss obviously private campaign things. Let's just say I overheard a very prominent campaign person being less than discrete about his or her candidate and some very, very damaging things about that person. I am not saying that this person reads or posts on this site but their staffers do form time to time ;-)

Just want to remind people that you never know who is behind you at the local coffee place, grocery store, valet line at a restaurat, bar, etc (by the way where I overhead this JUICY todbit is one of those places.)

January 31, 2005 3:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, we know who FAT is too (and it's not Ulyses) but who cares.

January 31, 2005 3:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When you were in the grocery line hearing people talk about a candidate (yeah right) did they also tell you you are a freakin moron who can't spell?

Probably a Villaraigosa staffer.

January 31, 2005 3:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Is it just me -- or am i the only one that gets annoyed by city sanitation workers carrying and storing Jim Hahn signs on city property during city time.

Somebuddy should write a story about this -- daily news are you on this....

dum-dums.

January 31, 2005 3:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Of course it's not only you MEAT. Antonio's staff members who gave you this tip must be annoyed too. You are so transparent. The real scandal will come after the election when we will read that Villaraigosa was paying campaign staff and consultants out of his funds left from his assembly days.

January 31, 2005 3:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think MEAT is Andrew Westall...

January 31, 2005 3:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah MEAT, I am annoyed by that too. I just wish that there could be some hard evidence to prove those accusations.

January 31, 2005 3:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey Meat, Your boss is going out of town AGAIN to Arizona for a forum on Latinos. He's missing yet another city council meeting on Wednesday. Hell, he's already starting 2005 being absent and it's not city business. He's on the Education and Neighborhood committee which has been cancelled a ton of times in the last few months, anyway I bet you can't guess how many times he's been to any of the NC's in his district? To an actual meeting mind you.

January 31, 2005 4:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Difference between me and the rest of the dum-dums is this - i do have pictures.

Mayor Sam i was sorry you weren't able to show the pictures i had of the LACYD event -- but i think you'll enjoy these!!!! As will every reporter and every campaign i forward them on too. Why every campaign? -- oh yeah because i am not on the payroll of any of them. Antonio staffers don't give me tips - i give them tips, along with the other campaigns.

I am everywhere at once and no where at the same time. Lastly, did you dum-dums ever think that there actually might just be more than one MEAT, and perhaps we are a network of folks that do the bidding of the anyone but hahn campaign we secretly run.

There is no one single person can have this much knowlegde of every campaign everyday, or is there?

blog away dum-dums.

January 31, 2005 4:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I like Bernie, I think he does not have a chance of wining but you must admit he does make the race more colorful (and I am not talking about the fact he is Africian American). He is smart & does a good job at the debates. The best part is he taken votes away from the Mayor.

January 31, 2005 4:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is MEAT or moron or what? "I am here and I am nowhere.." And this "ABH - Anybody But Hahn" campaign was a Villaraigosa idea because he thinks he is the only real challenger to Hahn and if he gets the other candidates mouthing "Anybody But Hahn" it will only help him. MEAT, the other campaigns are laughing at you and your boss spouting off "ABH". You are an amateur, MEAT. Still no proof with "sleazy bar owners" financing the recall. Still no proof that Antonio set up over 70 neighborhood watches. Have you ever thought that Antonio thinks you are a moron, too? He let you drive his car but he won't let you work on his campaign. He encourages you to post his spin here but doesn't let you sit at the table with his advisers. He's using you MEAT and don't you even realize it. What a DUM-DUM.

January 31, 2005 4:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat-you drive Antonio's car? I did that too (not for Antonio but another elected) when I first started working in politics about a decade ago.

January 31, 2005 5:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

LOL -- man no one has a sense of humor here. I don't drive for Antonio -- i don't work for Antonio.

ABH = Anyone But Hahn

blog away dum-dums

January 31, 2005 5:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT don't drive Tony V's car; he carries his water. . .

January 31, 2005 5:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And he wipes his butt. I've never heard a guy so defensive and get very personal when we post negative stuff on Tony V. You notice Meat gets really aggressive with some of his answers which I'm sure someone is advising him how to spin on this site. Wonder if Meat's attraction to his candidate Tony V. is just a little more then wanting him to be mayor!!!hmmmm We don't see or read the other mayoral candidates supporters take things so personal like Meat. They don't go off the handle and post crap like Meat. Something to think about!

January 31, 2005 5:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

What i really love about you guys -- is all the support you give me on a daily basis.

If Antonio is such a non-factor - then why get all huffy when he does anything. Hey he's going to AZ, so what, but if you think thats a bad thing activities like that should please you. Instead people here think there is something illegal going on with Antonio's campaign, nothing of the sort. No one is using city time, unlike the mayor's staff. There is no old assembly campaign account he's paying people on (unlike the mayor's legal defense fund). If you think the people of Los Angeles care about the name of your dog park or the FAKE RECALL than you live in fantasy land. The truth is the people want someone who will bring a fresh new perspective to city hall and its not Jim Hahn. Could it be Hertzberg, sure -- could it be Parks, why not -- i happen to believe (based on facts) that Antonio will become the mayor of this city. And for all the twisting and turning you dum-dums do get ready for a couple more years of it. I really feel sorry for you guys, i've never lied to you about my relationship to the campaign, nor will i. But the fact that you folks choose to believe these crazy things as to who i am or what i did or do, is amazing.

I am not that important for folks to talk about, nor do i want to be, i will however keep on bringing the pain to jim hahn everyday without question.

As to the amatuer accusation -- maybe true, but i don't think so, thats up for debate.

Have fun Hahn explaining away your new illegal activities today,apparently the unions that have endorsed you must not like you very much if they are sending me these pics. Have fun julie butcher pretending to not know how these signs appeared on city property, have fun kam kuwata creating another zesty line only making your campaign look even more corrupt.

Good night everyone -- blog away.

January 31, 2005 6:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

There are a lot of supporters for all the mayoral candidates out there. Many of us know them well. What I can't understand is why would this guy Meat go through all this trouble defending AV, saying he's not on the payroll etc. just because he says he supports AV? No one goes through so much trouble for nothing. What is Meat's alterior motive for being so loyal to a candidate and yet he says he's not on payroll. Hell, he's more loyal than Jimmy Blackman and the rest of AV's staff.

January 31, 2005 6:48 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

MEAT signed off with. . "If you think the people of Los Angeles care about the name of your dog park or the FAKE RECALL than you live in fantasy land."

That's why they call it La La Land, Carne. Sorry so many of us down here do still do live in that "fantasy land" called "if you make a promise, then keep it." The silly little examples you scoff at are only the latest in a pile of them that prove that all the "vision" (this is supposed to be his strong suit, right?) in the world don't mean squat if the only "vision" the man is really firing up after the swearing in is the tunnelvision he's got trained on the next rung in the political ladder.

Hey, how 'bout paying some of those hundreds of volunteers scouring the valley with the hundreds of thousands of buckaroos plopped into his NEXT campaign fund, recently reported to the Secretary of State? You know the account, MEAT -- you're in the know. Tell us, the unwashed, what "vision" that's gonna fulfill.

MEAT carries on. . . "The truth is the people want someone who will bring a fresh new perspective to city hall and its not Jim Hahn."

Right, no duh, incumbents usually don't bring "fresh" perspectives, they bring experience, reliability, and the capacity to carry out a plan or vision for more than 18 months at a time. (Let's see, how long was Villaragosa the Speaker? About 18 months? How long in City Council before declaring for mayor? Even less).

How long before he reaches in to use those Sacramento-bound campaign funds squirreled away (the box that says "Friends of Tony, 2006" on it).

You do the math.

Maybe folks are getting tired of Tony's "fresh new perspective" popping up in a new location every year or so, with no follow-through. Easy to keep it fresh when you're looking a new view, out a new office window, in a new city that often.

January 31, 2005 6:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Of course, MEAT is right - he is not important! He's the Tokyo Rose of the Villaraigosa campaign, spewing out propoganda he doesn't fully understand. Now, MEAT may THINK Villaraigosa is going to win based on a HUNCH but there are NO FACTS pointing to a Villaraigosa win. As for the people of Los Angeles not caring about the name of a dog park or " a fake recall," maybe the people of CD14 do, MEAT. And I am sure Antonio won't like the arrogant way you dismiss issues in HIS council district. And what about this one MEAT? When Antonio was assembly speaker he supported a bond issue (Mello-Roos) that would have the poor people of the 14 council district paying a tax for 30 years subsidizing a school building in the rich Mount Washington area. And, you know, the poor kids outside of Mount Washington wouldn't be able to use that building and Villaraigosa supported it. And he says he supports "the other Los Angeles"

January 31, 2005 7:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think this one's got you beat, MEAT.

No wonder he retreat!

January 31, 2005 7:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM DEPUTY DOG:

TO MEAT:
Dude, what happened to you? You used to be so civil and respectful, even to half baked DeputyDog! Lighten up buddy...you're starting to let all this negative campaigning get under your skin.

By the way, Hahn is going to win, whether you like it or not. He's the best man for the job, he works for the betterment of the City and frankly, NONE of these other candidates give a damn about Los Angeles, they just say they do. They all have great ideas, but how many of them have truly improved Los Angeles? How many of them have entered public service for someone other than themselves? Get off Jim's back, he has done a terrific job and this corruption stuff will be dropped after he is sworn in for a second term as mayor.

For over 20 years, Los Angeles has been served by Jim Hahn...hmmm..that's a good slogan...

....For over 20 years, LA, served by Jim Hahn.

January 31, 2005 7:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Yeah those crazy Mt Washington folks also haveto subsidize that dumb program "Healthy Families" which account for a plurality of residents in the 14th CD that are served by this program.

I suppose the new high school being built on Van Nuys blvd in Panorama City using matching funds from a Bond Antonio did author means those Mt Washington folks are subsidizing another program.

Gosh those increase stipends for family child care providers that take care of the children in Boyle Heights that many folks received when Antonio was speaker must also be a bad thing for Mt Washington, since they don't avail themselves of these services. The fact that State preschool which serves children who make too much money for Headstart but not enough for private care must be a bad thing as well too, those Mt Washington folks sure are subsidizing a whole lot of projects that benefit the real "other LA". It seems like dum-dums with the tunnel vision of an ANT can only look at one bill, one instance, one vote and not the whole package. Has Antonio made mistakes? sure he has he is human, but to say that a name of a dog park or a school somehow makes him totally 100% wrong for LA is a lie.

Now only if those FAKE RECALL people would show their true colors and ask for donations for over $100 so i can prove the bars financing it.

I suppose amatuers wouldn't be able to get the Daily News to write a story about those illegal Hahn activities too, huh?

One more prediction just to have fun with you dum-dums -- Hertzberg will begin airing his ads this week -- go Bob.

blog away.

January 31, 2005 7:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Hey deputy dog -- long time no see. You and Meateater are some of the folks i respect on this site. I can have civil debates and agree to disagree at the end of the conversation.

That said, have you read the crap i wade through each and every day? The number of crazy people here on this site can test a persons patience for only so long. When people disrespect me, i give it to them as good as they give it to me (as your campaign guru Bill Carrick said). Keep on posting Deputy Dog it will be nice to finally debate someone who is civil as well. Meateater i say the same to you, but when people call me FAT and claim i am someone i am not, i'll give it as good as i get.

good to hear from you Deputy Dog.

blog away.

January 31, 2005 9:12 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

MEAT mentions: "It seems like dum-dums with the tunnel vision of an ANT can only look at one bill, one instance, one vote and not the whole package."

Nice attempt to spin-back the tunnel-vision (although I think ants actually have pretty good eyesight). Spoken like an true out-of-touch wonk, though. Fact is, most people in a district or even a city only know if they're being served well by the one bill, instance, vote, etc. that they work to make happen. The "big picture" for whole communities is often a punitive tax, a piece of parke land, an aborted project, a small open space like Elephant Hill. It's not THEIR failure that the "big vision" politico can't see just how small THEIR big picture actually is and how all-important it is to them.

For us little people, we may get only one performance by the short-timer politician on his way to greener pastures. If it does harm, we won't be applauding and asking for an encore, verdad? Don't matter that much to folks over here if the people way over there are doing better because of some legislation put through in a past life.

Then MEAT meanders back with: "...but to say that a name of a dog park or a school somehow makes him totally 100% wrong for LA is a lie."

Nobody said 100% wrong -- just more wrong than pretty much everybody else in the race. The petty concerns of a district or small community are what being the man at city hall is about. L.A. needs a mayor to look it dead in the eyes and pay attention -- not keep looking over its shoulder to see if a bigger better political opportunity is winking at him, from Sacramento, or D.C.

And better be careful about throwing that "lie" accusation around. Many of the folks opposing`AV this time worked their backsides off for him less than 2 years ago, based on a 100% lie. Many of the same are not lining up for the funny smelling koolaid, this time.

ABV, y'all

MEAT: Sorry you don't find this discourse as genuine as the ones with some of the old-time bloggers. Must be why you dodged that quarter-million dollar 2006 account question. Just not stimulating enough -- or didn't the spinners in the black SUVs clue you in on that one before they sent you in to do battle?

January 31, 2005 10:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Photos are priceless, and some photos will prove that in the next day or two in the Daily News. ALL BLOGGERS! - Keep a look out!

January 31, 2005 10:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT keeps referring back to the silly dog parke name thing to belittle such "petty" concerns about AV's pretensions and lack of attention. Dawg, don't keep crying for the name of that tiny hamlet's greenspace lessen you know the score. Those folks have a rep up in that end of the Forgotten Fourteenth. They liable to go "drama queen" on any councilmember that tries to take away part of their hard-fought identity again and lay down in front of the tractors and cameras before they let a sign go up there with a name somebody else picked on it -- make Antonio look like the updated, slimmed down, west coast version of Bull Conner crossed up with Arturo Snyder.

And speaking of the 2X recall-targeted, AV-counseling, former member of council, if you really like photos, I remember one particularly poignant one 2-3 decades ago that the big inkblog in town keeps rehashing every few years that carried he banner head: "CM Snyder Stole our Street."

February 01, 2005 3:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat's attitude about issues (dog park) affecting people who have lived in the community for over 40 years and his arrogance at not understanding them is exactly the way Antonio and his staff have toward residents in CD14. They arrogantly dismiss issues residents take personally. A big reason why AV and his whole group of idiots need to go.

February 01, 2005 9:06 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"What's Up With Bitter Bernie?" Does that mean anything to the above posters? Hmmmmm. Let's think about it class.

February 01, 2005 12:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

TO MEAT:

Can you go into detail regarding the shakedown of the liquor stores? Community groups in CD8 could not figure out why Parks so vociferously supported liquor licenses for Super Bee & Numero Uno markets. Thankfully, community pressure stopped the license process for Super Bee & they are working on Numero Uno.

--Bonita Applebaum

February 01, 2005 1:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In addition to supporting WalMart in your labor friendly district, supporting motel developments in South LA communities plagued by prostitution, another winner with residents is giving free passes for liquor store developments in crime-plagued areas. And if your lucky, one of those locations might actually be a historic landmark with controversial overtones, like the store where Latasha Harlins was killed by the store owner.

Here's the LA Times article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-liquor28jan28,1,3681544.story?coll=la-headlines-california

February 01, 2005 2:12 PM  

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