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Saturday, June 17, 2006

Congress of Neighborhoods Dog-and-Pony Show

Note: This is the second in a series of articles focusing on the Los Angeles Neighborhood Council system.

As the sun rose upon the City of Angels this morning, people from all across the city were preparing to attend a semi-annual dog-and-pony show known as the "Congress of Neighborhoods."

Not to be confused with the "Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Congress," this event brings together Neighborhood Council members, Gadflies, Community Groups, and virtually every city agency in existence. Even the local politicians show up. Mayor Villaraigosa and Councilmembers Garcetti, Hahn and Greuel were there.

The theme of the day was "Emergency Preparedness." However, based on the rock-star like reception given to former Department Of Neighborhood Empowerment General Manager Greg Nelson the "emergency" the city needs to be prepared for may not be the next earthquake, or terrorist attack but rather the ever-rising simmer of discontentment with the way the City of Los Angeles does business -- and those that are hell bent on doing something about it.

As reported earlier, Greg Nelson is back from retirement in his new role as private citizen and brings with him years of experience of the inner-workings of DONE, and the City itself. Nelson is not someone who can easily be ignored and he is pulling no punches in his public comments against the status quo. He is breathing new life into a Neighborhood Council system that was beginning to seem stagnant.

Which brings us to an interesting culmination of events that may be presenting the city with the perfect storm:

  • The Neighborhood Councils growing resentment toward the Department of Neighborhood Empowerment seems to be rapidly approaching a boiling point as many feel that DONE is attempting to exercise control over Neighborhood Councils.
  • The growing power of the Neighborhood Councils seems to be unstoppable. Most recently the Neighborhood Councils had threatened to boycott the Congress of Neighborhoods over their refusal to allow the LANCC a room at the Congress, forcing the Mayors office to rapidly change course.
  • Greg Nelsons retirement has given him the flexibility to speak his mind to the masses.
  • The Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Congress officially ends its "development" period in less than 4 weeks.
  • It is rumored that Neighborhood Council President and former Assembly Candidate Jim Alger has been nominated for the position as President of the Senate for the LANCC election next month.
  • The 912 Commission is being impaneled as we speak, charged with reviewing the entire Neighborhood Council System. Many of the appointees are Neighborhood Councilmembers themselves.

These events are all tied together and may present the City of Los Angeles with a cohesive force to be reckoned with.

Only time will tell but get the popcorn, it's shaping up to be a hell of a show and the Sister City will be there to report it.


Anonymous Anonymous said:

It does seem like the time is ripe for the Neighborhood Councils to apply further pressure on City Hall. The real question is, whetner it is Alger, Nelson, the Congress or whatever, will leadership outside of DONE help the dysfunctional NC's and raise them up? Or will the problems bring the whole system down?

Expect some members of City council and their staffs to do everything they can to throw sand in the tracks.

June 17, 2006 9:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We need another windy white guy from the Valley as President of the LANCC like we need a hole in the head. Get a woman or a person of color in there, or at least somebody from the right side of the hill, for god's sake.

All the Area Caucuses to pick 912 commissioners at the Congress were interesting to see. Messy and slow but ultimately productive. Hilarious watching DONE guys try to run a meeting, count hands, etc. Good nominees -- the usual suspects. Is anybody NOT appointing an NC person to this commission?

June 17, 2006 9:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:40, you're right. If the good councils don't step up and "train" the bad ones, the whole house of cards is coming down. Come on, Silver Lake, aren't you going to swoop in wearing your red cape?

June 17, 2006 9:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

912 - why does the gender or color matter? Get the person who's going to do the best job, whatever their race, not a token. You're going to need it.

June 17, 2006 9:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Dude, if you have to ask why color or gender matters, you either haven't been paying attention or you just don't get politics. Everyone is looking at the NC color line, and so far, we've coming up PRETTY PASTY...

June 17, 2006 9:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So what? I thought liberals were color blind?

June 17, 2006 9:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LOL. They're only color-blind if you're brown or darker. If you're white, it's all they can see. I think there's a motion pending before council to make being white a civil offense punishable by a $25,000 fine.

June 17, 2006 10:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

About applying pressure on City Hall, garcetti said today that he supports jason lyons' idea about letting NCs make council files. maybe they're starting to listen. or maybe it's all just talk.

June 17, 2006 10:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That is just another good example of what Cnclmn John was saying about the NC's getting increasing power.

Now they need to get it out od committee.

June 18, 2006 1:00 AM  

Blogger Matt said:

Intelligent people are color-aware. Not all are liberals, but if a politician is unable to wrap their minds around the idea that different races have very different experiences of life in America, frankly I'm not interested in having them represent me.

Somehow, Cons play this game where identity politics is only OK in the old south and the fundamentalist churches. That's got to end.

June 18, 2006 2:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Neighborhood Councils were designed to encourage community involvement however my neigborhood council has alienated most of the community. During the last election less than 100 people voted. There was no real effort by the sitting council for outreach. Until there are standards of performance for councils they should not be given any additional power.

June 18, 2006 8:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's too easy to say neighborhod councils don't care about outreach. These are VOLUNTEERS, people; they can't be expected to take on city hall, clean up their neighborhoods, identify every pothole that needs filling AND single-handedly change the epidemic of voter apathy in America.

If DONE were worth its weight, they would be the ones to handle outreach. The city would take on a massive awareness campaign and the project coordinators would spend their time organizing new constituent groups and bringing them into the process, rather than acting as the NC Police, as they do now. The vault for lack of NC participation lies squarely at the doors of City Hall.

June 18, 2006 10:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What the fuck is that voice-over Miracle Blade ad that just invaded my blog surfing? This time you've gone too far, Sam Yorty! Curses!

June 18, 2006 10:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Okay, for all the talk about how the neighborhood councils are right on he verge of being relevant... today's Times doesn't even mention the Congress. And at least two new city commissioners were virtually appointed there. Not so sure NCs have really cracked the seal yet...

June 18, 2006 10:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Matt you are from Santa Clarita so shut the fuck up and go back to sucking Alger's dick

June 18, 2006 11:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Observations at yesterday's Congress of Neighborhood Councils.
1. Although Antonio stated that it was the most attended congress people held their laughter. It was the worst attendance of any congress. So few attended that they had all the city depts. in the same room so it looked like there were more people.
2. Give credit to Ulyssess for creating an incredible and keepsake ID badge.
3. Why would they allow Dalila Sotelo to be MC? She showed no class when on stage stating she would give out her phone number. Her sucking up to AV also made people cringe.
4. Wonder why Lisa Sarno as intrim general manager was never intro'd or called on stage.
5. Too many workshops. Only a handful of people in each. Cut them down and get a quality group for each
6. Next time have water on hand. There wasn't ONE bottle of water to be found
7. Who's idea was it to have entertainment? Bad idea. We atend to network and exchange ideas. WE couldn't hear eachother speak and the music was annoying
8. Nice to see more youth at this event.

June 18, 2006 11:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Not sure if we need to be crude, but I agree, "color-aware" makes me laugh.

We fought so hard for civil rights, now liberals want to reverse it.

Look at the comments of Marcos Aguilar. These people are fighting for seperatism.

My grandfather didn't get hosed down by the police for crap like this.

These young people have no clue.

June 18, 2006 11:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I see Mitchell back with his cock sucking posts

June 18, 2006 11:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Daily News
One change is the selection of a commission that will review the councils' rules and efficacy. The other is the hiring of the new DONE manager, who will oversee the 78 neighborhood councils.
Villaraigosa said he wants a nationwide search.


June 18, 2006 12:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Daily News also said Antonio gave NCs the credit for stopping last year's DWP increase, but what he actually said was 'We (meaning the City Council) told the DWP no way, and then the neighborhood councils got involved and called for an audit.' Um, that's SO not how that went. The City Council was all set to let it pass until the neighborhood councils raised hell. Last year, they gave us credit for stopping the rate hike. Somhow now Antonio did it all himself.

June 18, 2006 12:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:03 PM He plans to run for national office in the future. Get an out of state "important networker" to head DONE and dominos fall in place.

Hasta La Vista Baby.

June 18, 2006 12:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face"
Thomas Sowell

June 18, 2006 1:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did Villaraigos call Marcos and tell him not to show up with O'Reilly?

Rumor says YES.


When I first saw the photographs of the murals on Academia Semillas Del Pueblo’s schoolhouse, I knew something was wrong.

Most people see just random Aztec art; I see Aztec gods and goddesses and Aztec dancers performing ritual ceremonies.

1-QUETZALCOATL: The feathered serpent.
2-CHICOMECOATL: the goddess of Corn and Fertility.
3-CHALCHIUHTLICUE: The goddess of running Water.
4- Ritual dancers.
5- THUNDERBUTTACOATL: To be featured in Chicken Dance III.

California law explicitly prohibits charter schools from supporting religion in any form.

I say lets turn up the heat on this modern day temple of doom.


June 18, 2006 1:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I mentioned that in a thread earlier,

Not directly addressing the alleged art, but in a general sense that the public education code is still applicable, charter school or no. You're on the right track to bring them out in public and show that the school is not up to code. There are going to be lots of other codes you can look for violations of also. Just tour the facility. What you have so far is just what's evident on the cover, and you probably can judge this book by it's cover

California education code is in here

Just click the box for education code and enter any keywords, or just retrieve the code in sections

June 18, 2006 1:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Mayor Sam you have competition.

June 18, 2006 1:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Typical. Aztec religion is "okay." For these people seperation of Church and State is taken very liberally: Seperation of Church (meaning Judeo-Christian) and State. NO, the Constitution is DAMN clear... the STATE may MAKE NO move to abridge or abet the rights of any faith in the public sector. I think it goes both ways. The school should NOT encourage or force any religion upon any child or faculty member, but it shouldn't stop a teacher from sponsoring a prayer group or a religious study during break periods or after school as long as it is not made part of the cirriculum and is fully volunteer. However, this is appears to be a blatant enforcement of a religion on state money and a obvious violation of the Constitution. Disgusting.

June 18, 2006 1:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Can anybody confirm this one? According to the paper version of the San Francisco Herald ( http://www.californiaherald.net )
"Despite the fact that Chavez is these days revered among Mexican-American activists, the labor leader in his day was no more tolerant of illegal immigration than the Arizona Minutemen are now. Worried that the hiring of illegal immigrants drove down wages, Chavez -- according to numerous historical accounts -- instructed union members to call the Immigration and Naturalization Service to report the presence of illegal immigrants in the fields and demand that the agency deport them. UFW officials were even known to picket INS offices to demand a crackdown on illegal immigrants."

June 18, 2006 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's a well known fact that Chavez was adamantly opposed to illegal immigration. He understood how illegal aliens take away jobs from the native workers & depress wages

What's funny is one of his ancestors today, a young woman, has joined in with the illegal aliens in their demands for our country. She's been quoted saying "Cesar is with you in spirit"

What a crock. She might not know the facts about her ancestors history but I know those who are using this idiot DO know all about him. Just another example of the dishonesty & lies from the open borders cabal

June 18, 2006 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


There is a book titled



and the Farmworkers movement"

The paperback version which I obtained describes some of what you cover in this post on pages 242, 243, 244, in the chapter entitled "The Poisened Eagle."

Jerry Cohen of the United Farm Workers said, "We never worked out a solution with Immigrants rights groups... We were saying that we wanted immigration laws enforced, and that meant dealing with the INS, which is like dealing with the devil. Cesar was never happy about that." (pg 243).

The Arizona UFW version of the minutemen is described on pg 244, but unlike the Minutemen, "...some union members became vigilantes, beating workers as they crossed into the United States..."

I do not remeber definatively, and I scanned to no avail, but I seem to recall something in the book which stated something about the UFW turning in illegals, and either the INS or the Border Patrol just laughed at them.

I got my book at Barnes and Noble, the authors are Susan Ferriss and Ricardo Sandoval.

The book reveals that the term "Si se puede" came from a conversation In which someone repeatededly told Chaves that what he was attempting couldn't be pulled off (no se puede). Exasperated, Chavez replied, "Si se puede".

Here is a Pete Wilson quote according to this book (pg 276):

"There's no question our economy depends very heavily on Mexican nationals... I deplore the INS raids on farms here in the roundup of illegal aliens".

It discusses prop 187 on Page 278.

June 18, 2006 1:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymous Posted:

To Doug McIntyre:

I hope you will connect the dots next week! Here's my analysis of the Mecha school debacle:

The Charter was approved in 2001 by Jose Huizar (school superindent at the time). The school is located in Huizar's and Villaraigosa's old District;

Villaraigosa, Huizar, and Aguilar are card-carrying Mechistas;

The school is an anti-American, Mecha school;

Aguilar's defamatory, inflamatory statements are on record and reflect the sentiments of Villaraigosa;

The school property is owned by LA Raza Development Corp. La Raza Development Corp has a $185,000 loan against the property.

There are some reports stating is that Aguilar is making $90,000/yr'

It is also reported that LAUSD has funding the school $7,000,000....that comes out to $40,000/per student;

Villaraigosa has publicly stated on national tv that 'OUR KIDS ARE LEARNING MANDARIN AND NAHTUAHL"...I personally heard his remarks;

And last, but not least, we don't try to run down and kill innocent radio reporters in this country. It's done all the time in Mexico...but it's a "no-no" in the USA!

Goon squads are a "no-no" in this country.

And that goes for the college campus MECHA members who threaten and beat up students and faculty members. And destroy 5000 newspapers; and take over faculty lounges like Villaraigosa and Aguillar have done at UCLA>

Villaraigosa will be brought down at last. The sleeping giant is awake at last.

June 18, 2006 2:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

National Council of La Raza Programs:

The Raza Development Fund, Inc. (RDF) is a support corporation of the National Council of La Raza, established in 1998 as the community development lending ...

June 18, 2006 2:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Raza Development Fund and Charter Schools

What's New

Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities grant competition now open; OII seeking grant reviewers; and more
Innovations in the News
Colorado's state legislature is sending a bill to the Governor that would provide vouchers to students; plus news on school improvement, charter schools, magnet schools, and homeschooling

Raza Development Fund Makes Loans to Charter Schools in Latino Communities
The Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities program, administered by the Office of Innovation and Improvement, provides grants to public and nonprofit organizations to help raise capital for charter school facilities. One of the toughest challenges of starting a charter school is that it is difficult and expensive to obtain space where classes can be taught. The Raza Development Fund (RDF), in association with the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and its Charter School Development Initiative (CSDI), provides loans to charter schools in Latino communities.

Over five years, the Raza Development Fund (RDF) will work with 30 charter schools across the nation serving disadvantaged students in Latino communities. RDF will enhance the schools' access to credit by making direct loans to schools either as a sole lender or in conjunction with one of RDF's commercial lending partners. Many of these loans will be possible only because of educational, business, and financial underwriting by RDF, CSDI, and the NCLR Community Division. RDF also has designed a comprehensive plan for technical assistance both on the educational and financial fronts.

One of the schools the program is helping is the Academia Semillas del Pueblo Charter School in East Los Angeles, California:

RDF, in partnership with Amicus Bank, provided a $1.4 million loan for the acquisition and renovation of a school facility.
RDF is using its grant funds to guarantee repayment of a subordinate loan that, combined with some funds the school had, enabled the charter school to meet 30 percent of the cost to purchase and renovate the school facility. As a result, the school could borrow the remaining 70 percent of the funds necessary to purchase and renovate a school facility.
Without this guarantee, a loan of this nature could not be made and the school could not purchase, renovate, and operate in its own facility.
The National Council of La Raza's two main priorities are community development and closing the educational achievement gap for Latinos. RDF's mission is to provide for the investment of capital into the Latino community to stimulate economic and community development. RDF especially focuses on facilities acquisition and financing to obtain housing for alternative education programs and community-based charter schools.

For more information about RDF and the National Council of La Raza, go to http://www.nclr.org/?PHPSESSID=5c9c5bca299824967b7e0b523e1a94f8

June 18, 2006 2:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Congress of Neighborhoods deal with the Academia del Pueblo Problem.

A few anons posted LA 32 supports the school.

Does Highland Park, Eagle Rock, Boyle Heights, Downtown L.A., Hermon, Arroyo Seco, Alhambra (Marcos & Minnie's town) support the school?

June 18, 2006 2:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Raza Development Fund; awarded $4.2 million

Raza Development Fund (RDF) plans to use the grant funds to expand their Partnership of Hope Fund, through which charter schools are offered low-interest loans. Thomas Espinoza, President of Raza Development, said this grant would allow RDF to increase the size of their average charter school loan. The 5-year plan is to finance 30 school projects with an average loan size of $1.75 million, and an overall leverage ratio of 11:1 on the grant funds. RDF will use its network of 180 affiliates to make loans nationwide and will target start-up or newly operating charter schools. Since these funds will add to the existing Fund, RDF expects that the benefit to charter schools will realized immediately. RDF is a wholly-owned subsidiary and support corporation of National Council of La Raza and is the country’s largest Latino CDFI.

Raza Development Fund, Inc.

111 W. Monroe, Suite 1610

Phoenix, Arizona 85003

Contact: Mark VanBrunt, 602-417-1402

Award amount: $4,200,000

June 18, 2006 2:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It seems to be working now. No info on flag, but I found the funding.


Donors & Supporters

The following organizations and individuals have made it possible to carry out the mission and vision of the school. We are very grateful for their continued support.

National Council of La Raza Charter School Development Initiative
Raza Development Fund, Inc.
Glendale Nissan/Infinity, Inc.
California State University, Los Angeles
Pasadena City College – MeCHA
The Latino Museum of History, Art and Culture

June 18, 2006 2:20 PM  

Blogger Matt said:

11:19 - You're paying a little too much attention to me personally, pal -- for someone too chickenshit to say that with their name attached or to my face.

1:21 - Sowell reinforces my point, he believed that there was a "redneck" culture that was more valid as a cultural distinction than race (a classic Con thought). That might have been clever when it was written, but is stupid and borderline criminal post-Katrina.

By the way, nice pony on this thread.

June 18, 2006 2:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"for someone too chickenshit to say that with their name attached or to my face."

Good point, It's SO very brave to post using a unique first name that probably only a 10-20 thousand people have.

You're BRAVE!

99 percent of posters here are anonymous, including a few who use a "name" - has nothing to do with bravery or the merits of their comments.

If someone's made a bad point, attack the idea.

June 18, 2006 4:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Government always looks the other way at Catholic symbolism and that of indigenous cultures.

So what?

It's too closely tied to the history and culture of certain people to separate, like conjoined twins with only one heart.

The same reason you'll see a Villaraigosa speaking in Black churches before election day, and there's no criticism. Try going to the First Fundementalist Church of Van Nuys, and see how that works.

Now you're just grasping at straws. "Borg" McIntyre and his forced assimilationists are following "the money" in hopes that can find the school's administrators are "corrupt" (maybe they took a couple extra bottles of water home after a community event for private consumption - you know, the kind they use so the kids won't have to drink "white water")

You're just setting yourself up for a fall if you try and use church/state issues against ethnic minorities. The bogus "separation" issues weren't invented for that, and you can't throw them back at civil libertarions.

But keep looking. It's amusing to see the scramble.

Maybe the school doesn't let the little girls do the same kind of Aztec dancing, and you and "Borg" can get them in Title IX violations.


June 18, 2006 4:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No other neighborhood councils in CD 14 support this school.

I just got an e-mail today saying Antonio gave the "keys of the city" to Carlos Fuentes, author who is a Mexican citizen. Now our mayor is giving the keys of our city to an illegal.

I didn't see any media on this. Its in today's rag of a newspaper LA times in Current Section. Legal residents should be outraged. Does anyone know since Antonio has been elected who else has he given the "keys of the city" to???????

June 18, 2006 5:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

keep sucking it matt

June 18, 2006 5:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam put up another thread for the racist school.
Are these reps from each district's NC?
RESOLVE that the various City Councilmember nominations to the Neighborhood Council
Review Commission are APPROVED and the members are here by appointed, as follows:
Council District 2–Jonathon Zasloff
Council District 3–Len Shaffer
Council District 4–Mark Siegel
Council District 5–Dr. Irving Lebovics
Council District 7–Javier Angulo
Council District 8–Frank Prater
Council District 9-Sandra Bryant
Council District 10–Guy Leemhuis
Council District 11–Tom Ponton
Council District 12–Joe Vitti
Council District 14–Jessica Wethington McLean

June 18, 2006 5:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Go to guidestar.org, sign up for free account, and review the 990's for Academia Semillas Del Pueblo and other non-profits. Compensation levels outlined etc.

June 18, 2006 5:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

. . . this City is done for. Move over Detroit.

June 18, 2006 6:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That looks like the legitimate list of 912 Commission appointed by the council members to me.

What about Council Districts 1, 6, 13 and 15? Hasn't Reyes, Tony, Garcetti and Hahn appointed anyone?

June 18, 2006 6:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

5:16 said: "No other neighborhood councils in CD 14 support this school."

(I'm 100 percent certain ALL your "facts" are this wrong).


From minutes: "Arroyo Seco Neighborhood Council supports the idea of the (Academia Semillas del Pueblo) Native Ways Learning Center in concept, but holds off full commitment until specific details as to the extent and the impact that a permanent facility would entail. Until then we support the use of the land for education and community benefit so long as no permanent structures are put in place and the parkland is not endangered in any way."

June 18, 2006 6:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ONE Latino (maybe?) appointed to this NC commission -- out of 15 districts, 3-4 of them majority Latino, with LATINO councilmembers making the selections?

No wonder the "natives" are restless.

(Smells like some campaign payoffs to rich, um, "non-Latinos" going on here.) Good thing the City Charter dealing with the establishment of NCs doesn't call for "diversity".

Maybe if they'd had some charter schools on the Eastside sooner, they'd be "smart" enough to serve on the 912 commission.

(On the other hand, if I were a Latino politician, fairly new to the circle of power, I probably wouldn't want a bunch of potential new competitors for my seat coming up quickly, either.

June 18, 2006 6:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


So, as long as they don't set any forest fires the school's okay with that council, right?

June 18, 2006 6:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lisa Sarno should have been allowed to introduce Antonio at the congress yesterday.

Then, instead of a "dog and pony show" it would have the HOG and TONY show.

Git 'er D.O.N.E.!

June 18, 2006 6:20 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

Guys, can we refrain from the dick sucking comments?

June 18, 2006 6:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You're assuming the anons are "guys"


June 18, 2006 6:29 PM  

Blogger Matt said:

Not commenting on the merits? People here know who I am (if they know where I live, certainly), and I stand behind what I write.

People who just want to talk trash with an anonymous handle have no point, and no merit. Like I said, chickenshit.

June 18, 2006 7:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The crude sexual references is unwarranted and frankly unwelcome.

Can you dum dums keep it on topic please and not stray into your own obsession with someone else's sexual habits?

Or is there something about you we should know? I can create a come out of the closet thread if you would like.

June 18, 2006 7:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam, what's up with the dog mounting the horse?

June 18, 2006 8:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor John = Jim alger

June 18, 2006 10:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Doubt it. Alger doesn't write that coherently. LAUSD grad you know.

I was actually thing maybe Brady Westwater from Downtown NC, he is a gadfly that likes to blog.

June 19, 2006 4:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


it's early, give me a break.

June 19, 2006 4:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You would think city council members would pick a NC rep in their district. Does anyone know who Jessica McLean is that Huizar in CD14 picked? True his district is majority Latino and he doesn't pick one to rep. I love how these politicans BS talking about Latinos this and Latinos that but then don't pick a rep for an important part of the process. That's hypocritical because he was out there supporting the illegals saying they have the same rights and all the BS rhetoic.

June 19, 2006 7:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jessica is photo person for ERNC. Great person. I like here personality.

June 19, 2006 8:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jessica has been a very active resident in the Eagle Rock area for years, and particularly within the Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council.

June 19, 2006 9:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Don't beat Huizar up too much about that, when the "Eastern" area caucus met at the congress to pick two names to send up to Villaraigosa for the 912 commission, they selected (yes, you guessed it). TWO middle-aged white guys! Both from as far away from East L.A. as you could possibly get and still be in that sector of the city (technically) -- Silverlake and Echo Park.

Yeah, THAT's representative of the predominantly Latino "East side."

Sheesh. Boyle Heights has 51 board members, most if not all Latino, El Sereno has two dozen. What is everyone thinking?

At least Huizar picked a WOMAN, for crying out loud! (Okay, that's not really any better, but it was probably payback, and most of the BH and LA32 neighborhood council people supported Pacheco last time around, so. . .)

Let's see what Reyes can do. (He'll probably pick an Asian-American).

June 19, 2006 10:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jessica is competent, active and well-informed. And frankly, I think it is wildly racist to insist that a Latino politician only appoint Latino representatives. Should the white people appoint white people? Women appoint women? Gay appoint gay? What does Bill Rosendahl do, then - white person, or gay man? Gay white man, I guess. Poor lesbians are S.O.L. There's no one to appoint them. Ditto the Asian Pacific Islanders. Ah well.

June 19, 2006 10:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yo, 10:38 - clearly you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The eastside did NOT pick two middle-aged white guys. You don't even know where they're from. They picked Jason Lyon, who is maybe 35, and from Silverlake (which is TOTALLY east side), and John Cleary, who is not even 30 yet (he's the president of Stonewall Young Democrats, for gods sake) and he's from LINCOLN HEIGHTS. You don't get much more east than that.

PLUS they're both gay men, so they damn well ought to rank in your ridiculous politics of "My Minority is Better than Yours." Gimme a break. They picked the most qualified candidates.

June 19, 2006 10:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

TOUCHE!!!! Jason and John are not Latinos but I like the fact that they will be representing us from the East Los Angeles Area that includes Silverlake. They are smart, considerate of Latino and every other race issues and very active. They don't sit and complain but are doers and well respected amongst NC reps. Great choices.

The point I think the poster tried to make is the POLITICANS are the ones ranting about LATINO this and that especially during the marches. Yet, the hyprocrisy of not selecting Latinos as their reps for the commission is absurd. That's a very valid point.

June 19, 2006 11:03 AM  

Blogger Jason said:

Okay, wait just a cotton-pickin minute. Ya got me on the white part -- not much I can say there (except a sizeable chunk of my lineage were Sephardic Jews, so it's not all Wonder bread hanging from the old family tree).

But I draw the line at middle-aged. Even after my birthday next week, I'm not planning on being halfway done yet. For one thing, I've got an eighteen month old kid at home. I'm going have to stick around a little longer than that.

Must be all the neighborhood council work that's aging me before my time...

Anyway, thanks for the fascinating discussion on the congress and the commission.

Respectfully submitted,

Jason "Old Man" Lyon

June 19, 2006 11:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"They picked the most qualified candidates."

The list of candidates included SEVEN whites and one Latina.

If you mean these two were the two "most qualified" white guys, you may be right (or it was just a popularity contest).

Not "middle age" but YOUNG and GAY? (So much more representative of the East side). I'm relieved...

Further proof that "outreach" is a farce in all these bedroom communities, and the upper-class whites have NO intention of sharing power with anyone else in their areas. Most don't even provide translation during board meetings, and the main agenda items are always NIMBY reactions to everything, including more affordable housing for the poor.

There's hardly one inch of difference between these NCs and the rich, elitist "homeowners" associations that formed most of them. Renters are few and people of color are token and deferential. Parents with young children don't even exist.

Tell me, where do the two 30-ish gay guys stand on SCHOOLS in the area one of the most critical issues(like THEIR households will ever need them?).

June 19, 2006 11:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the 11:41 post, I'm sure you didn't mean to make a sweeping generalization about gay people when you said, "like THEIR households will ever need schools." There are of course many same-sex households with children. Looks like jason's is one of them. Oops...too bad you missed his post before you wrote yours.

But maybe what you really meant to say is, "I'm a bigot who doesn't believe anyone but heterosexual Latinos have a right to say anything in this neighborhood." Get over yourself. YOURS is the politics of exclusion, not the neighborhood councils'.

June 19, 2006 12:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Ask any LAUSD principal on the Eastside what the percentage is of local middle-class (or richer) white families (straight, gay, crooked, blended, shaken, or stirred) actually send their children to public schools in the community?

The answer will be "a small minority" in nearly every case. In areas where the Anglo population is as high as 30+ percent, the anglo population at the schools is still in single digits.

HELL, Villaraigosa doesn't even send HIS to LAUSD schools (they need "religious training," remember, they're going to be priests and nuns).

June 19, 2006 12:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"I'm a bigot who doesn't believe anyone but heterosexual Latinos have a right to say anything in this neighborhood."

That's not a very nice thing to try and put in someone else's mouth, but it would be nice to see a few (Latinos, of any sexual orientation) put forward by some of their "progressive" anglo brethren within their own communities from time to time.

Unless all th white guys can read their minds, it's pretty tough to say "we represent them here."

There are a few hundred thousand living in the immediate area, 99 percent of which have never heard of a "neighborhood council".

June 19, 2006 12:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


What a joke. The seminars at congress about that were just more whining about NO BODY HELPS US, waaaaaa. DONE should be doing the outreach!

"But we PRINT the agendas and flyers in SPANISH, and post them 72 hours before, and 'they' STILL never come."

(Never mind that the main agenda items are ALWAYS about how white family #1 is pissed that white family #2 wants to add a room to the adjacent hillside MacMansion.)

(YEAH, good thing THAT agenda was translated. That'll bring "them" running to take part). The very FACT that the NCs can't figure out how to spend $50K per year in areas of the city with massive human suffering PROVES that it's all rich people out of touch with the communities' real needs.

Just look at what the "success stories" are touted as being for NCs in general: BURGLAR ALARMS (rich people protecting their wealth... "how DARE the LAPD try and keep more manpower on the street for VIOLENT crimes, when my new BIG SCREEN was just stolen"), DWP rates (money, money, money).

See the theme? Rich people guarding their wealth and property values. You could have done that WITHOUT "inclusive" NCs.

(And, before you say "shut up and pitch in yourself" - stick a sock in it. I have been, I do, I will). But I'm the guy snoring through the helf-hour NIMBY debates trying to get people to focus on SOMETHING besides preservation of their own wealth.

June 19, 2006 12:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

...like sands through the hourglass, so are The Days of Our Lives...

...and thus concludes another episode. Thanks for tuning in, folks!

June 19, 2006 3:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm glad you find the failure of the NC system humorous. With no further reach than the average upper-crust homeowner's NIMBY group in most communities, it doesn't warrant any continuing investment -- in funding or attention by the city.

(But I'm amazed Lisa Sarno actually has time to blog.)

June 19, 2006 3:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

....Most don't even provide translation during board meetings...

HEELLLLLOOOOOO!!!!! All city meetings are conducted in ENGLISH. To be an American citizen you need to learn English. There are so many Latinos citywide who are sick of hearing people complain that meetings aren't done in Spanish even though they provide translation equipment for Spanish speakers. LEARN DAMN ENGLISH. It seems since Antonio has become Mayor everywhere you turn everything is about race. What happened to if the person is qualified and knows the issues? I don't ever remember so much bullshit on the race card on every issue like it is today in LA politics. It seems the blacks were the only ones using it.

June 19, 2006 4:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, said, 4:05!

The Race Card: It's Not Just for Blacks Anymore! That's right -- you too can claim disenfranchisement even if your race is represented all across the city leadership! So what if the Mayor, the City Attorney, the City Controller, the City Council President, 5 City Council members, and even the City Clerk are all Latino? Go ahead and claim systemic disenfranchisement! It's okay! It's...the RACE CARD! Play it now!

June 19, 2006 5:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jason Lyons is an excellent choice for the 912 commission as would be Jim Alger except Greig Smith has his ass so far up his ass he would never appoint Jim. Instead we get his lapdog Joe "white bread rich republican" Vitti.

What a joke!

June 19, 2006 6:11 PM  

Blogger Jim Alger said:

God sometimes I wonder about you people.

In case you didn't notice, I am white (see attached photo).

Joe Vitti is someone I consider a friend, and well qualified for the commission.

I hope that everyone is aware that you don't have to be on the commission to effect change. Hopefully these commission meetings will be filled with people giving their thoughts and ideas.

It is very easy to point at something and say it is broken, it is quite another to step up and attempt to fix it.

June 19, 2006 7:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

LAUSD grad at 4:05

"Translation" means the meeting ARE held in English, but TRANSLATED for those who can't understand it.

Basically, you're just admitting you WANT non-English speakers kept in the dark about what's going on. You probably keep the women folk barefoot and pregnant, too.

Who's the fucking racist now?

June 19, 2006 11:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Such political claptrack drivel. Stick it on a bumper sticker, right next to "only you can prevent forest fires" and "just say no."

June 19, 2006 11:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Taste and see the conflict of interest.

How sad that certain unethical people at USC are making this great Southern California institution of Higher Learning out to be the dastardly villain of the Neighborhood Council System.

Read what page 4 line L of City Ordinance 177535 (An ordinance prescribing the method for appointing a commission to evaluate the system of neighborhood councils) has to say about the 912 commission:

L. The role and effectiveness of establishing Memoranda of Understanding with specific, or all, City departments. To assist in its research and fact-finding, the commission may solicit presentations from outside organizations involved in community empowerment such as the USC Neighborhood Participation Project, USC Civil and Community Relations, the City Council 8th District Empowerment Congress, the City of Pasadena's Neighborhood Connections and Neighborhoods USA. The commission shall make recommendations to the City Council regarding changes to the City Charter and Regulations, as it deems appropriate.

Read it again. Outside organizations involved in community empowerment such as the USC Neighborhood Participation Project, USC Civil and Community Relations.

With this in mind check this out. The previous Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council was embroiled in a bitter conflict resulting from outside special interests that had deliberately caused tremendous ill-will within the Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council, but did USC help to make the situation any better. No!

Under the direction and with the participation of USC employee David Galaviz (current President of the Lincoln Heights Neighborhood Council) USC orchestrated a take over of the council and made sure that a coalition of pro USC political figures such as Javier Angulo from NALEO ( Keep in mind this is District 7 Padilla’s appointee to the 912 commission) and USC employees John Cleary, Lupe Guillen, and Ellen Sanchez were unethically voted on to the Council by allowing children under the age of 18 to vote for all positions.

Where is the checks and balances, where is the unbiased analysis that is to occur from USC. There is none. USC designed, manipulates and directs this entire dog and pony show. This is not community empowerment; this is a deliberate attempt at totalitarianism of the worst kind.

How shameful that this respected institution is now involved in creating more petty dirty politics for the City of Los Angeles.

We must ask ourselves why USC is so willing to be so unethical about its dealings with the Neighborhood Council.
Could it be that USC knows that the system is a failure but can’t admit it, so it preys on the humble and innocent population of Lincoln Heights instead of helping to empower it?

June 19, 2006 11:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't care what color he is, Jason Lyon is the BEST choice for that area. He is experienced and fair.

To the whiner, "he's not Latino" and what would a gay man care about LAUSD because he'll never use them - Jason has a child. So someday he'll care about the schools.

But what does the 912 Commission have to do with schools?

June 20, 2006 2:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

....why USC is so willing to be so unethical about its dealings with the Neighborhood Council.

Because they learned how the NC's elections work. They can now put issues on their agendas and vote in favor of them to help USC participation program. Someone should ask their president with all that development going on around USC medical center in Boyle Heights how many JOBS have they filled with community members? JOBS in these low income areas are few and far between. Yet, it is the law that 20% should go to the community where the construction is occuring.

June 20, 2006 10:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Very telling in the 912 Commission appointment and candidates lists sent ot the mayor, that our elected officials as well as elected neighborhood council leaders are in agreement. There are no qualified Latino community leaders, especially on the East side worthy of sitting on a commission to review the effectiveness of neighborhood councils.

And what is one of the critical failings of the NC system that this 912 Commission will be required to look at? Why, a continued and systemic lack of diversity and outreach.

What better proof could you require.

It's telling on the face of it, it is even more telling that no one noticed it (apparently), including the former GM of DONE, who ostensibly was charged with promoting diversity for the past four years, and who ran the caucus elections for the area of the city with the largest concentration of Latinos (Eastern area) this past Saturday.

Bad that it happens; worse that no one but one (now "properly" scolded) "whiner" here even noticed the problem.

Let's see what Alcalde Villaraigosa does about that with his own selections (should be interesting).

For now, however, the "foxes" of elitism and separationism are guarding the "henhouse" of NC diversity.

June 20, 2006 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

But what you're arguing is that only a Latino/a candidate is acceptable for the East Area. No matter how you crack it, that is RACIST.

It's hard to take your point about very seriously because it's not realy about diversity it's "white is bad and only brown is good." It's not enough that the guy they picked is qualified; he's automatically not good enough because he's white. Sorry, but that argument proves that you don't know - or care - ANYTHING about true diversity.

June 20, 2006 12:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who is better qualified to understand why there IS no diversity in the NC system.

Those WITHIN the power structure that have ignored the problem for nearly four years, or those OUTSIDE, who have never felt welcome within it.

That's your "qualified" racism.

The current power elite of the NC system are those that have created and extended its lack of diversity.

That makes them UNqualified to address its failures. (Even if every one else in the "good old white boy" network likes them, REALLY, REALLY likes them).

Jim Hahn was "qualified" to be mayor, but unable to address the corruption within city power circles, or blind to it. Both apply here, as well.

The continued advancement of only "qualified" whites to lead the NC system will lead to its further marginalization in a progressive and increasingly diverse city where white more often means "flight" and "fright" than anything else.

June 20, 2006 12:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Your point in no way ameliorated mine. It's racist. You're a racist. A bigot. A hater. Period.

Just because people are white doesn't make them a part of any power structure - elite or otherwise. That's the politics of victimhood - 'they have the power! We don't!' Get over yourself. YOU'RE the reason you don't have any power.

But don't bring down other Latinos with you. Those who choose to are doing just fine, thanks. ¡Si se puede!

June 20, 2006 12:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh, but I AM white! (But I'm on to "us," Bubba). I know how "us" stacks the deck, and then claims "we" are most qualified. It's a sad little shell game. And "we" are its biggest victims, because we're only fooling "us."

Who's the "hater" now?

June 20, 2006 2:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Um, still sounding like you are.

That thing about how "us" stacks the deck is just crazy. Is it some secret white conspriacy? if so, I didn't get my invite. Are they giving them out at the NC meetings?

And even if there really were some plot by "us" to stack the deck, and you were in on it... that still makes you the "bad guy."

Go away, hater.

June 20, 2006 2:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Oh my god! If you really ARE white, that is just hilarious and sad. Take your paternalistic defense of the poor disenfranchised latinos and shove it. we don't need your help, thanks. you don't hear us complaining.

June 20, 2006 3:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, those massive protests in the streets of L.A. just weeks ago with hundreds of thousands or protesters weren't about anybody "complaining," were they?

It's a conspiracy of the arrogant and the ignorant, 2:59

That's the saddest part, as mentioned in 10:39. Delegates have been put forward to represent a sector of the city of L.A. ("Eastside") that MEANS Latino to most of the worl. That is the actual, or familial home to the largest Latino population outside Mexico City, and so far, NC "leaders" and Latino elected officials have selected three ANGLOS to "represent" a area where Latino population averages 60 percent, and peaks in the most densley inhabited area (Boyle Heights) at 90+ percent.

And so far, no one's even saying "boo" about it. There are 45-50 Latino NC board members in Boyle Heights, 15 or so in each of El Sereno, Highland Park, Cypress Park, and dozens of others scattered all around in smaller numbers... probably 120-150 Latino NC board members on the Eastside (far more than any other ethnicity), but NONE of them stacked up to the three anglos -- one already appointed and two on the only short list the mayor can expect from the "delegates" to an East area caucus? None??

What can you possibly be saying with that? And would you be willing to repeat what that ACTUALLY says to their faces?

Can you imagine what would have happened if when any of the Latino CMs in this city had been first elected they would have hired all mono-lingual anglo field deputies to work with and represent them to the stakeholders in some of these same areas. But to "represent" them on a commission critical to the continuation of a system of advisory boards designed to BROADEN and DIVERSIFY the voices city hall hears?

I'm not alone on this. . . just early. The cry will grow loud, sharp, and shrill very soon. But then when you begin backing into your "liberal" mode and realize the affront, you won't be able to honestly say "I didn't realize."

Stop reading now, and maybe you can still claim some ignorance when your defense of this horrendous development hits the fan.

June 20, 2006 5:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You still sound sad and racist to me. It is offensive to suggest that any of these candidates is inappropriate or unqualified because they're white. And you clearly chose to ignore that Latinos have been appointed by other CMs in the Area. So, go ahead, lead your shrill cry. Other people will be off getting stuff done and making the city more tolerant and diverse -- by which I mean, truly diverse, not just some meaningless, shallow standard set by your brown quota numbers.

June 20, 2006 7:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Name the Latinos picked by other CMs on the East side?

Did Reyes announce?

Huizar did... WHITE CHICK from wealthy NE enclave.

May you and the Neighborhood Kouncil Klan gets lot's "done" without all the annoying little "colored" folks. . . nobody has ever suggested a "quota" but a 100 percent SHUT OUT of the by-far largest ethnic group in the area is a god-awful sin by any rationale, non-racist standard.

Attack the messenger, but you KNOW in your heart that NO representation on the East side by ANYONE other than WHITES is something right out of the Jim Crow South.

June 20, 2006 7:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

(Sorry, they just couldn't afford the Poll Tax).

This drinking fountain is for WHITE COMMISSIONERS ONLY!

"Hey, what's that Messican boy doing in the board room? Oh, it's okay. He's council staff."

June 20, 2006 7:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is anyone GETTING this. . . 100 PERCENT SHUT OUT of Latinos representing ANY PORTION of EAST LOS ANGELES on the 912 Commission.

There is no excuse, no justification.

Nearly ONE MILLION persons of color in the largest Hispanic barrio in the northern hemisphere, represented on the commission by TWO WHITE GUYS AND A WHITE WOMAN -- all from small neighborhood councils in wealthy, NORTHeast L.A. city-limit communities.

Last count, only ONE Spanish surname on a commission of 29 PEOPLE???

June 20, 2006 7:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

God, I sure hope they gave the Latino politicians BIG donations the last go-round to get there.

June 20, 2006 7:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Isn't there some city rule that says commissions have to be balanced? Every time there's a new appointment it shows "board makeup - 3F, 4M. Gender diversity only??

June 20, 2006 7:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good thing they'll have you there, hounding them to do what's right. Padilla appointed Javier Angulo. The Mayor can be counted on to appoint most if not all latinos, as he has on every other city commission (well over their percentage of the city, in fact). And no doubt, Reyes will pick a Latino non-NC renter. So I'm sure there'll be no need for the shrill cry. Unless it's from gay people, who are woefully underrepresented on city commissions. well, at least they managed to score one seat on this one (maybe...)

June 20, 2006 7:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Actually, that's one Spanish surname out of a list of 11. Not great, but it's just the beginning. There are still 18 appointments yet to come. The Mayor's 14 names and the other 4 council names are due by Friday.

June 20, 2006 8:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

what - are yall going for a record here? this post is from saturday. when does it close?

June 20, 2006 8:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7:42 Contact your elected officials.

June 20, 2006 10:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The main point of the rant above was that the EAST side, where more Latinos live than all other sectors of the city combined.

Who cares what Padilla did in the Valley. He's got his next gig, he didn't have to pay off local donors with appointments like the other sellours did.

And the mayor, if he follows the suggestions sent by East side delegates won't have an option to appoint a Latino from the East side.

June 21, 2006 10:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


June 21, 2006 12:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Actually, 10 AM, only 7 of his 14 appointments come from ther palnning areas, and he will only appoint one of the NCs' recommendations (not both). So he will have seven more seats to do with as he pleases. They could ALL be from the eastside, if he wanted. I'm sure we will still have another local latino voice represented on the commission.

And Javier Angulo, though appointed by Padilla, is on the Lincoln Heights NC. He's with NALEO.

June 21, 2006 12:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes and NALEO was the organization that presided over the election the prior year, where felons were allowed to vote. Javier Angulo is not a proper representative. Too much conflict of interest.

Get some real talented individuals, true scholars that can see beyond simple minded politics.

June 21, 2006 2:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OR, how about fresh faces and creative minds... not the same cast of characters that helped create the quagmire (like drummed-out NC board members and ex-charter commissioners).

Here's an idea: If you have been a board member, and participation in your NCs activities, decision-making, and elections didn't double, or even triple during your term. . . YOU DON'T QUALIFY.

No more folding chair holder-downers, talking heads, and council/assembly/state senate wannabes trying to make a name so they can go "pro".

June 21, 2006 3:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't think any of the people that have been named to the commission so far (or suggested for it) have ambitions to go "pro." And of the ones I know, each HAS in fact brought soemthign to the table that either "increases citizen participation in government" or "makes government more responsive to local needs." Expecting people to have tripled the voter base in three years is (a)absurd, (b)has no relationship to reality and (c)is sort of irrelevant. There's more to participation than voting.

NO ONE is qualified for this commission, under your standard. But perhaps that is your point? To declare failure and hopelessness from the start? No thanks.

June 21, 2006 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

BOY, did you take that to ridiculous levels. Three years with $50K to spend and voting can't be increased in most cases by a few hundred votes each year?

Bullshit. Most of these NCs had more participation during their formation periods. The PROMISE of what NCs COULD do was far more interesting than what the mini-bureaucrats have been ABLE to do.

Now, they bore their stakeholders to death. More procedure and process than progress.

I've seen the election stats. Most NCs on the Eastside (which IS what the early posts were complaining about), have DECLINED in voting since their first year, and the rest have barely increased. And it IS the MOST accurate indication of involvement (what else is there... surveys? opinion polls? If communities thought NCs could make their lives better they would WANT to be a part of it.

$50,000 for outreach and to create goodwill among stakeholders and the average Eastside NC is 12 months or more behind in spending it.

Why? Becasuse they HAVE their seat, and don't need more competition. Increased participation is just noisier and messier, and not worth their effort.

YES, there ARE people on the commission and others who tried to be on it that have run for city offices and others are gunning for it. Read their CVs. It's the wading pool before they try and jump in with the big fish.

Ask that Alger dude.

June 21, 2006 6:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Dude... do you work for the mayor, by chance?

June 21, 2006 6:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Are their "CV"s available online? Can the publci review them? Would be very interesting.

June 21, 2006 6:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Regarding the eastside 912 commissioners, Jessica Wethington McLean is a great choice for Huizar. She's been active with neighborhood councils for a long time. She is smart, diplomatic, dedicated and will represent. Plus, she's a FEMALE on what is shaping up to be a very male-dominated commission. PROPS to both! Good one, Jose!

As for all this B**ching about the eastside nominees being pasty white --the East Caucus nominees were SELF-NOMINATED and there wasn't a lot of color standing in that line on Saturday, sorry people. Why didn't more "non-whites" put themselves up and have the credentials to back it?

I was watching this process, and one Latina self-nominee actually said "I am the least qualified, you should probably vote for someone else, but I hope you vote for me. I would like to learn." COME ON. If that's the best the "hispanic majority" of the ever-diverse eastside can send up, then how can anyone legitimately complain that a hispanic wasn't chosen by the NC caucus electors?

Speaking of electors, each eastside NC was allowed five electors, regardless of the size of their board. The Boyle Heights NC has over FIFTY members, as has been made abundantly clear in these posts, but Boyle Heights NC only bothered to send FOUR electors. Geesh.

Each area caucus and each council person had to pick the PEOPLE who would be best qualified to represent them. Huizar's choice is spot-on, and given the choices at hand, the east area caucus did the RIGHT thing too. Nuff said.

June 21, 2006 8:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Just catching up...

To 5:37 from yesterday, who said "There are 45-50 Latino NC board members in Boyle Heights, 15 or so in each of El Sereno, Highland Park, Cypress Park, and dozens of others scattered all around in smaller numbers... probably 120-150 Latino NC board members on the Eastside (far more than any other ethnicity)"...

doesn't that mean that the REAL choice of diversity would be to put forth the poor minority white people? How can you claim latinos are disenfranchised if THEY ARE THE MAJORITY? Your argument just makes no sense.

Racist is right!

June 21, 2006 8:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

6:47... i thought that to... who else but the council and the mayor gets to see prospective commissioner's CV? DOH!

June 21, 2006 10:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


June 21, 2006 10:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"As for all this B**ching about the eastside nominees being pasty white --the East Caucus nominees were SELF-NOMINATED and there wasn't a lot of color standing in that line on Saturday. . ."

EXACTLY THE POINT... there has been VERY POOR OUTREACH to minorities, and so the boards for NCs in many majority Latino communities are STILL pasty white.

Bad for that to be the case on elected boards, UNTHINKABLE for it to be codified by elected officials on a CITY COMMISSION!

BEST CASE, it's negligence to let that continue; WORST CASE it's intentional... white "overlords" complacent in their benevolent rule of the "little brown" people and feeling entitled to make decisions for others, without busting their butts to get their input (and equipped with $50K to do it -- but NOT spending it in any way that will make parity a reality any time soon). Bottom line, less OUTREACH =less COMPETITION for those board seats.

(And, there's a typo there at the end of your message, you meant "did the WHITE thing -- it's NEVER right to exclude representation of people who have been under the thumb of the dominant culture.) The "good old white boy" network has always claimed they were doing the "right" thing, and that they dominated decision making because -- "we're smarter" - "we're here" - "we've had more 'practice' (now that's a hoot... historic exclusion justifies it's continuation as a practice). All the things you claim make them the "best qualified" (heirs to the throne of cultural dominance).

June 22, 2006 11:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


"...doesn't that mean that the REAL choice of diversity would be to put forth the poor minority white people?"

SURE, you let me know what portion of the WHITE population in the Eastern portion of L.A. that is. . . the POOR whites that is? Or do you want to import them from the Valley or maybe another county?

The WHITES that remain in the East side are far and away, more affluent than the vast majority of any other ethnic population there. Where are the POOR whites? ECHO PARK? ATWATER? Puhleeze. Average home price $1 million+

The commission nominees selected come from the most AFFLUENT pockets of the impoverished East side.

The point of mentioning all the Latino board members was to show that councilmembers from that part of the city had the OPTION of selecting qualified commission nominees that were a better representation of the majority population. Instead, they used it as PAYOFF for past election contributions and favors, to curry more FINANCIAL SUPPORT from the wealthy whites in the East.

(At least ONE Latino could have been names, for gods sake... ONE would have killed Huizar or Garcetti, or Reyes?? (Reyes yet to be announced. but don't hold you breath... he needs bucks to run for whatever he does next, now termed out as a CM).

Of course if there ends up being ONE (our of 4- 5 from that area, the YOU folks will say "that's fair" a complete statistical reverse of the ACTUAL people of the area.

But do you think even ONE of these all-white candidates... all PROUD tolerant, progressives and liberals (ACLU members, probably... maybe even contributors to MINORITY rights causes) would even IMAGINE giving up THEIR seat on the commission bus, to let a person of color SIT (back or front). Would even one step forward and say "hey, I just realized this ISN'T right, and rather that stay on the Jim Crow bus, I want my name taken off, to be replaced by a Latino to REPRESENT EAST LOS ANGELES (why is that SO fucking hard for anyone to understand). It's EAST L.A. -- this is not GREATER SILVERLAKE, or EAGLE ROCK SOUTH, people.

Hell will freeze over before their INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS align in any way with the pennies they contribute from their pocketbooks they send to feel good about their contributions to SOCIAL JUSTICE.

SHEE-it, your better off with overt racism, people of color. At least with the rednecks you KNOW they don't think you can do the job... PROGRESSIVES keep pretending they THINK you can (someday, maybe, when all the "best" candidates, for once, don't happen to be white boys and girls).

Bad dream, MLK... bad dream, go back to sleep.

(Sorry folks, I know the reason you keep coming back here is because you KNOW this is wrong, and your liberal guilt keeps trying to justify it with spin... but talk to ANY rational person without a PERSONAL interest in being on a commission, and say...

EASTERN AREA... largest NCs = Boyle Heights, El Sereno, Highland Park. Representation on a city commission will be mostly male, and ALL WHITE.

No way, no spin, no how.

It's criminal!!

June 22, 2006 11:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


June 22, 2006 11:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'd be interested to see what people would say if the entire congressional delegation from Louisiana ended up being all mostly male, and all white next session. . .

"Well, best men won... what can you do"


June 22, 2006 11:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Silver Lake and Eagle Rock are as legitimately a part of the eastside as boyle heights and el sereno, you racist.

And garcetti DID appoint a latina. You're mad about shit that hasn't even happened. You're crazy.

June 22, 2006 1:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I agree. Crazy and angry.

If the Latinos ANYWHERE in the city stepped up to the plate and made a request to serve on the commission, I believe they could have been appointed. I doubt Greig Smith or Dennis Zine had any Latinos requesting the commission appointment. I doubt any WHITE people will come from South Los Angeles. So how racist does this make us? Not one qualified white in South L.A.? Why the focus on Latino candidates? At the Congress caucus, did any Latino get up and speak only to be passed over for the white guy?

You are too angry and too racist yourself to be a good judge in this situation. Lucky for us you aren't a nominee for the commission. If you're Latino and wanted it, you damn sure should have requested it and then proven you could do a good job at it.

Or you can just blog away your anger every day.

June 22, 2006 5:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Are we finally done? Thank God. Final roster of NCRC appointments out tomorrow.

June 22, 2006 11:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Everything is now making sense. What we are viewing is the making of history in Los Angeles.

For years and years this country has allowed left wing pro-Marxist factions to gain asylum from third world Latino Countries and they met their fellow travelers here.

In the meantime pro-Marxist elements, the so called progressives have been infiltrating the Democratic Party. They have been pretending to be the vanguard of civil rights for many so-called minorities.

The bottom line if you read their manifestos, charters of the organizations they have been apart of, they believe in the old communist belief of the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”. The belief that the masses, the working class, must be lead by a small band of politicians who know what is best for the working class, better then the working class itself.

We are witnessing this very same thing here in Los Angeles. You can see it in the 912 commission, a small band of politicians making decisions for the masses. You can see it an in the attempt to promote gay whites as the equivalents of racial minorities, more specifically Latinos, African American and Asians. You know it doesn’t make sense, but because you fear being labeled politically incorrect, you don’t bother to speak up.

Now that racial minorities are finally getting the ability to fully participate in the American Democratic System, what do our so called progressive politicians do, they devise ways to take what we have so longed fought for, the right to self-determination.

It started with denying the will of the people of Los Angeles to determine the budget of the Los Angeles Police Department. By increasing the fees on trash pick up, the so called progressives created a regressive tax. The people said no by voting against any increases and the Mayor and conspiratorial City Council use back door tactics to make an across the board increase in trash collection fees for homeowners. Further analysis would let you see that the working class and elderly will be affected in a greater degree than the upper middle and elite of this city.

It continues the Neighborhood Council System and tomorrow the plan is for the take over of Los Angles Unified School District. The Mayor’s progressive elements want a Dictatorship of the School Board which will eliminate the rights of citizens to self determination.

Look closely and you will see that all these ideas are not new they are repackaged Marxist Political Tools to convince citizens to give up their voting rights.

June 23, 2006 9:00 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Aha! The truth comes out... not only are you racist (and paranoid), but a gay-hater as well. Thankfully, everyone agrees that you do not speak for anyone in east LA.

June 23, 2006 12:51 PM  

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