Does Obama Support Rights of Aborted Children "Born Alive?"
That being said though there is a right to choice, if a child survives an abortion there must be protections for the child who is now a living human being. Barack Obama seems to have trouble with this issue considering votes he has made in the Illinois State Senate and comments made during a candidates forum held at the Saddleback Church earlier this year
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The Federal Born-Alive Law passed by Congress in 2002 and signed by President Bush extends legal protection to children born alive following a failed abortion. The law is based on the definition of live-birth as set by the World Health Organization in 1950. The Federal law received unamious support of the Senate including that of Democrats such as Majority Leader Harry Reid.
In a series of bills in the Illinois State Legislature as a State Senator, Obama voted three times against an Illinois version of the Federal Bill that was exactly identical to the Federal law. Obama's reason for voting aginst the state bill the first two times was that it did not contain protections for the landmark Roe vs.Wade decision that legalized abortion rights.
Yet when the bill came back a third time to the Illinois Senate - with the protections as in the Federal bill - he still voted against it.
The Obama campaign tried to spin the vote based on the claim that the Illinois law was not identical to the Federal law. The non-partisan group FactCheck.org however says this is not true, that by the time the bill came up in committee in the Illinois legislature it contained indentical protections to the Federal law. Once this was clear, Team Obama changed their story again now saying that even though the law had the same protections for Roe as the Federal bill, he still felt it would undermine abortion rights.
You have to wonder where Obama's values are here. When the abortion rights activist group NARAL was neutral on the Federal bill - and it received the votes of folks like Dianne Feinstein and Teddy Kennedy - is Obama out of touch even with his own party?
Labels: Barack Obama, partial birth abortion
Posted by Michael Higby @ 10/19/2008 01:09:00 PM
17 Comments:
Michael, what is with the inflammatory posts? Do you seriously believe Obama would murder a child that has been born alive?
If you want to accuse Obama of pandering to a pro-choice group that is a fair discussion but the FACT is he doesn't support redundant laws, or laws that extend protections beyond where they are now.
Illinois law has long stated that if an abortion is performed when the fetus is deemed to be viable, the doctor must:
- Have in attendance a second doctor who can immediately take over care of the child if it's born alive.
- Use every available means to keep any born-alive child living and healthy.
To do otherwise constitutes a Class 3 felony, which carries a sentence of two to five years in prison. That's been the law in Illinois since 1975. What Obama voted against was legislation that would have extended the law's protection to any aborted fetus that shows any sign of life, even if doctors are certain that it cannot survive.
Who support that kind of suffering?
The fact is that a fetus born alive IS PROTECTED and to say anything less is an utter falsehood.
Obama: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message.
Announcer: John McCain's attacks? One of the sleaziest ads ever. Truly vile. Now, votes taken out of context. Accusing Obama of letting infants die? It's a despicable lie. Even the bill's Republican sponsors said it's untrue. Obama's always supported medical care to protect infants. McCain? He's running on a platform to ban abortion. Even in cases of rape and incest. Sleazy ads. Anti-choice. That's John McCain.
BARACK O'BAMA refused to support a law that mandates medical care for a baby born alive after a botched abortion.
BARACK O'BAMA allowed newborn infants to suffer and die when he did this.
Terrorist and allower of child torture.
Mayor Sam is Barack Obama paying Jim Alger to spin all day and night on your blog? Who did he learn that from?
Alger is on Obama's staff. He has been on many blogs including Huffington and some right wingh blogs like Jill Staneck defending Obama. Looks like Obama pays people to blog as well.
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-hires-400-new-bloggers-to-sway.html
Jim, you do seem to be informed and have a concise message. Some may not appreciate that but I certainly do. The hateful things being spewed by the right need a swift response such as 4:30 who called Obama a terrorist.
It is that kind of crap that ferments hate.
Jim - are you really paid to blog for Obama on Mayor Sam? If that's the case then we have to take what you say with a bigger grain of salt.
You're following the Obama line of calling any criticism of Obama "inflammatory," "divisive," "racist," etc.
The bottom line is that three times Obama voted against a law that aligned with Federal law supported by Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Dianne Feinstein.
Even FactCheck.org, a non-partisan organization, says that Obama's campaign spun his vote twice when his first explanation was shown by FactCheck not to hold water.
My concern is with Obama's extreme view on the issue which shows he's out of touch on the abortion issue, even with his own party.
I'm pro-choice but I'm not pro-abortion. Adoption should be an alternative and late term abortions should only be an option when carrying the pregnancy to term is going to harm the mother.
I'm haunted by thoughts of how 90% of down-syndrome babies are aborted by their selfish, pathetic parents. Can you imagine the babies' screams, millions and millions of them? I can, that's why I can't sleep. This country is like NAZI Germany, except in NAZI Germany they could only murder Jews and the handicapped outside of the womb. But in modern-day USA, not only can we kill Jews and the handicapped like the NAZIs did, we can also kill blacks, Chinese, Mexicans, whites, boys, girls - anyone inside the womb! It's disgusting! We're actually worse than NAZI Germany. The NAZIs could only murder about 7 million people; the U.S. has murdered 50+ million Americans since 1973, and it keeps murdering year after year. Hitler would be envious of us if he wasn't too busy floating around in hell right now. I pray for judgment upon this country, severe judgment because this country deserves it - and judgment's coming soon. God took out NAZI Germany for murdering just 7 million people; I can't imagine what He's going to do to us.
There IS a RICO investigation of ACORN and the Obama campaign underway - this has now been established by the mainstream media. Right now it’s rumored here in Chicago that Patrick Fitzgerald is heading it (confirmation on that has not come yet). There is a lot of activity in Chicago right now, with a lot of IRS agents looking into the finances coming in and out of this city, and across state lines (this was established on Monday when the GOP issued emergency press releases that much of Obama’s campaign contributions could very well be illegal foreign contributions - what appears to be deliberately poor record keeping designed to hide the true identities and monetary sources of online donors is at issue here). We see in 15 states now that ACORN is being busted for attempted voter fraud, and for fraudulent, illegal voter registratons in the hundreds of thousands, if not a million.
Jim you need to go back to not posting here.
You write ridiculously long posts that are ignorant of the pace and tone of the blog.
Please go away.
Mayor Sam just keeps showing how he is another talking parrot like his fantasy girl Sarah Palin.
Obama is the boogey man be very afraid !!!
Obama is a terrorist and baby killer !!!!!
7:27 you're yet another blithering idiot voting for Obama because it's hip and you have no understanding of the issues.
At least paid Obama spinner Jim Alger makes cogent arguments, whether he's wrong or not.
That being said you've completely not responded to my case that Obama 1) is out of touch with even his own party on the "born alive" issue (which by the way has no impact on abortion rights) and 2) That Obama's judgment and character comes into question when he's spun his vote 2-3 times when confronted by a non-partisan group like FactCheck.org.
You don't even read that I'm pro-choice and that I'm opposed to schemes like Prop 4.
So have fun attempting to pigeon-hole or parroting the Dummycrat line.
Perhaps soon you'll figure it out.
Why should Jim not post here but you should?
How about challenging Jim on the issues?
Assuming you're a Republican or ast least don't agree with Jim, you're no different than the liberal thought police.
Mike, I encourage you to read the FactCheck.ork article entitled "Born Alive Baloney"
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/
born_alive_baloney.html
Your claim that Obama voted against an "exact copy of Federal Legislation" is simply false.
Key phrase: "What Obama voted against was legislation that would have extended the law's protection to any aborted fetus that shows any sign of life, even if doctors are certain that it cannot survive. "
The Congress never took any position on the Illinois legislation because it would have expanded the existing Federal law.
Your link quoting right-wingnut Jill Stanek doesn't hold up as her post has been directly contradicted by fact-Check.org.
Jim what's wrong with doctors trying to save the life of an aborted fetus that is trying to survive?
Obama says determining who should live and who shouldn't is above his pay grade.
That's where the concern lies. Obama is simply wrong on this issue and efforts to continue to spin and re-spin are useless.
It isn't spin Michael. Your statements are factually inaccurate and innthe face of that you now retreat to a morality argument.
Your position (assuming you agreed with the Illinois law) is akin to those screaming about the Terri Schiavo case. It would force doctors to keep a brain-dead fetus with o% chance of survival alive. Let us be clear, Federal law demands life-saving measures be taken when a child is born alive. YOU are spinning when you conflate the Federal law and the Illinois law which are, in fact, different.
Life must be determined by doctors with degrees, not hyper-partisans trying to score a political point.
I AM PRO-CHOICE BUT THERE IS A LIMIT. WE HAVE TO RESTRICT THE TIME WHEN AN ABORTION CAN OCCUR. I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE NO ONE WILL STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING WITH OR WITHOUT ROE VS WADE. IT'S SAFER FOR YOUNG GIRLS TO SEE LICENSED DOCTORS IN CLINICS THAN IN BACK ROOMS WITH COAT HANGERS AND UNSAFE DRUGS. THESE GIRLS NEED PROTECTION FROM PUBLIC RIDICULE THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE A BREIF COURSE EXPLAINING THE LONG TERM PROBLEMS WITH ABORTION AND THERE FUTURE. GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE TO HELP THEM MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR THEM
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