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Thursday, July 26, 2007

Lunch break

As many of you noted this morning, David Zahniser has written an interesting piece on the intersection of a $3 billion Universal City development and the Mayor’s main squeeze.

Others read this as more than an intersection; they see Villaraigosa holding support for the development hostage pending the outcome of an investigation that will determine Salinas’ future at Telemundo.

To me, that’s a stretch. I think Zahniser's point is, there are no rules governing a situation where a potential conflict of interest involves a girlfriend rather than a spouse.

* Update
Flap stands firm and drops a couple of titillating appetizers.


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63 Comments:

Anonymous Flap said:

Dear Antonio:

Not a stretch.

Flap has testified in front of Grand Juries before and Mayor Villar will be there soon.

In the meantime, Telemundo, I bet is trying to work out a deal for Senorita Salinas. One that keeps the Mayor happy and their parent company in the development business.

Any bets?

July 26, 2007 12:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I bet that Salinas won't be fired, not after AV has been publicly supporting her. She will probably just have a slightly different job in the company for a while, then she'll go back to reporting.

July 26, 2007 12:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Major news from the LAPD and LAFD!

News!

July 26, 2007 12:55 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

No offense to the haters who are going to be mad at me for mentioning this...

GOOD FOR LA TIMES FOR REPORTING THE ANGLE THAT I BLOGGED HERE AND DISCUSSED ON TWO DIFFERENT RADIO STATIONS ALREADY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

That Universal has the development project pending villar's approval, so they would prefer not to have to punish Mirthlas, because then that would "demonize" it and make it wrong. And I would think Universal is pissed at the mayor for creating this mess.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE LA TIMES FOR ONCE AGAIN BEING WEEKS BEHIND THIS BLOG AND MY RADIO CALLS.

And you can spin that and criticize me for mentioning it. TOO BAD...Not impressed. If any idiot like Zuma Dogg can figure that out and call in on the radio weeks before...what's the big deal about the LAzy Times.

July 26, 2007 12:59 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

Mirthala won't be fired.

She will accept a settlement like a leave of absence (with some sort of compensation) until the smoke clears or AV divorce is final whichever occurs first.

She will then resume other duties other than cover the Mayor.

My best guess.

July 26, 2007 1:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

NBC will clean house at Telemundo. Salinas and a couple executives will go. Antonio would never be able to take revenge on on the development. His every move would be scrutinized.

And Zuma Dogg, if you weren't a raving, self-absorbed lunatic maybe somebody would notice when you actually pick up a nugget of news.

July 26, 2007 1:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mirthala won't be fired because this is how Antonio and Parke do business. Cross them and whatever you stand for or want will get railroaded. By making public statements supporting his little whore Antonio is threatening NBC Universal.

Right now NBC execs in New York are debating between journalistic integrity and a billion dollar development.

Antonio and Parke are vindictive littel punks who think that running any opposition into the ground is just the fruits of thier victories. Hopefully NBC won't cave in, thier is life after Mirthala and Antonio.

July 26, 2007 1:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My, isn't all so this sooooo cozy, downright incestuous practically! Yes, Grand Juries and such are definitely a great idea!

July 26, 2007 1:18 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

I bet the hold-up with NBC/Telemundo has been how much to pay Mirthala while she is on leave.

Now that the cat is out of the bag (Universal development) and in the LA Slimes, they will pay whatever to put this behind them.

AV will be happy and MS will be happy. She can play house and get paid too.

Only if there wasn't that pesky 6 month divorce rule, MS could be Mrs. Villar.

Wonder if Corina is going to ask for more than 50%? :o)

July 26, 2007 1:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Would they have the gall to play house in the Getty Mansion? I wouldn't put it passed them.

July 26, 2007 1:26 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

Where is Corina living now?

And Mayor Villar?

July 26, 2007 1:38 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

Said..."And Zuma Dogg, if you weren't a raving, self-absorbed lunatic maybe somebody would notice when you actually pick up a nugget of news."

First of all since I said it on two radio stations and blogged it here, maybe someone DID pick it up (LA Times). If not, it took em a lot longer to figure it out.

Secondly, I DID give it a mention for the record because I felt it was worth mentioning as "commentary", but as y'all know since the issue is beat to death by every other knook and cranny of the media -- and because I feel there are more important issues than this conflict of interest, even if it is wrong. there is nothing actionable for the community to do on this. no public input...no committee meetings...

I know, I know...it might end up taking down the mayor, and that would be in the best interest of public safety.

So I DID mention it a couple weeks ago on the blog and radio for the record -- since people were not linking those two angles together...but it's not like i blasted it like LAUSD/vacany, tenant rights, special event fees, prop h boondoggle or other things people can actually do something about.

Keep reading Mayor Sam's blog today, for the stories you will read in LAzy Times in a couple weeks.

July 26, 2007 1:46 PM  

Blogger Zuma Dogg said:

p.s.

5/5/07 ZD PREDICTION:

ZD prediction on housing

7/25/07 LA Times Confirms:

LA Times Confirms

Still have a slight chip on my shoulder for being ahead of the "times".

I see these things everyday and don't mention them....that's cool...ZD is allowed to predict...they have to wait till it has already happened.

NOW DON'T TRIP TOO HARD...it's been several months since I have mentioned the mainstream media delay...but this "universal/antonio thing miffed me cause it's just speculation...and it's LATE.

July 26, 2007 2:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

http://blogs.ktla.com/news_custom_eric/2007/07/villaraigosa-he.html

July 26, 2007 2:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Flap,

Corina lives and has always lived in the Mt. Washington house. She never took up residence at the Getty house, just ask her family or her neighbors. This is why everyone was saying this was a sham marriage. She played the part, under Parke's order, even though for all intents and purposes she and Antonio lived seperate lives. The house on Mt. Washington was placed under Corina's sole name way before Antonio ran for mayor.

Corina was willing to play the part so long as Antonio didn't publicly humiliate her. But when Mirthala went to the press, that was all she wrote. Antonio had already made Corina the poster child for a Chicana Pendeja, several years earlier. And no, Antonio will not marry that gold digging whore Mirthala - he's no longer even dating her contrary to his public statements. His "relationship" with her constitutes the occasional booty call. But since Antonio is known to go limp, she's also banging several other men.

July 26, 2007 2:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Salinas looks badly no matter happens to her. Look at the mess both her and AV have created. However, no one is mentioning the pressure from people if Telemundo doesn't do anything to Salinas. Imus got canned because people started blasting the advertisers. If NBC shows they have no backbone or integrity you bet your ass people will go after advertisers and can put pressure on them. The hell with Antonio thinking he has that much power short little idiot.

July 26, 2007 2:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And who are NBCUni's lawyers? Latham. Also known for Playa Vista, La Brea Gateway, Etc...

And who is doing internal lobbying for NBCUni?
Rene Scillaci, former planning deputy for Jack Weiss

VERY cozy.

July 26, 2007 2:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here's another spin could it be lil Salinas being the power you know what she's proven to be threatened Antonio that if she goes down (no literally) he will go down as well cause she has a ton of stuff on him? boy these two deserve eachother. Why isn't she coming out of hiding? What does that say about the type of woman she is?

July 26, 2007 2:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

rumor has it that AV's people are investigating Dave Z's penchant for underage boys... more to follow.

July 26, 2007 3:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anon 3:23

"rumor has it that AV's people are investigating Dave Z's penchant for underage boys... more to follow.'

That is one of the lowest, vile, rumors that can brought upon a man. Would you like it if I told about the night you were so drunk you tried to F***ked the dog?

July 26, 2007 3:36 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

Me thinks Dave Z will write a few more stories about this drama.

But, I would still look underneath my car.

Thanks for the info on Corina's living arrangements.

Anyone staking out Getty for Mirthala sightings? Likewise her Valley digs?

July 26, 2007 3:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The universal City story is not new. People from Taluca Lake knew about it in 1990 and were against it then. It took Universal this long for Universal to "Buy" Huizar the Mayor and others. Nothing new. Just new wrapping. Its still trash.

July 26, 2007 3:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:23 SHAME ON YOU MORON. How dare you try and divert attention.

Typical Antonio people would do something so slimey instead of stick to the issue. When Antonio's people can't think of a lie to say they attack the messenger. David Z has written a ton of stories against AV cause THAT'S HIS JOB. If Antonio is stupid enough to personally go after a reporter you don't think they will all stick together in this city????? He doesn't know the press corp as well as he thinks.

July 26, 2007 3:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Higby: When the hell are you going to to delete that despicable anonymous comment about Zahniser? You're letting this shit get out of hand.

July 26, 2007 4:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here are the emails for the NBC/Telemundo bunch someone posted earlier...drown them ... when are we hearing about Salinas' complete separation from NBC??? Also ask about the Univision scandal - is Telemundo likewise guilty?

"M ABUD" manuel.abud@nbcuni.com

"A CORRAL" al.corral@nbcuni.com

"C ERNESTO" carlosernesto.covarrubias@nbcuni.com

"R LONG" robert.long@nbcuni.com

"R LUENGAS" ruben.luengas@nbcuni.com

"R MORALES" rick.morales@nbcuni.com

"E MOURELO" ernesto.mourelo@nbcuni.com

"L NAVARRO" lucia.navarro@nbcuni.com

July 26, 2007 4:12 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

It is NBC corporate in New York that will make the call on Mirthala.

E-mailing the underlings will do NOTHING.

So, don't waste your time.

Wanna bet they announce tomorrow afternoon?

Provided Mirthala and Villar agrees to the payoff.

July 26, 2007 4:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Another failure for Antonio. He's doing more harm for our city.


Sacramento Bites Back
With Antonio preoccupied by an affair, L.A. loses its rail funds. You can thank Mike Villines
By Bill Bradley, LA Weekly

THE BIG CUTS IN LOS ANGELES public-transit funding by state lawmakers have a sudden impact on Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who, in his current scandal-struck state, didn’t show up to lobby for his own program. The Legislature stepped into the power vacuum, slashing $336 million earmarked for Los Angeles and imperiling the long-promised Expo Line to the Westside.

The proposed state budget, now weeks past deadline, was approved by the state Assembly with the support of Villaraigosa’s ally and longtime friend Speaker Fabian Núñez of Los Angeles, and aims to take $1.3 billion in gas-tax revenue intended for transit to bail out the state’s general fund.

The loss is a clear setback for Villaraigosa, whose administration is hurtling forward in approving tens of thousands of new units of controversial, dense, high-rise housing in Los Angeles, to be serviced by a now-vanishing state transit budget.

July 26, 2007 4:47 PM  

Blogger race card said:

MODERATE! MODERATE! MODERATE!

Wtf? Get a clue. This blog provides a wealth of information and threads to follow.

But it's run like a 1996 BBS. Again, invest in some webhosting. Install a worth blog engine. Then keep scooping the dinosaur press.

Use a variable width template so you're not wasting 50% of your blog's real estate.

Grow with the times.

July 26, 2007 4:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If the Mayor goes after Zahniser in this way all hell will break loose and it'll just seal Antonio's demise - if it's not already sealed.

July 26, 2007 5:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Larry Elder was talking about this last week. Or should I say, making fun of it last week talking about mayor viagragosa.

July 26, 2007 5:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey anon poster we all know Antonio is the Latino Forrest Gump. Stupid is as Stupid does. How many who have crossed the little psycho's path been hurt either business wise or basically black listed. Daily News did a story last week of Antonio thanking council members for not speaking out during the time scandal broke. A council member made a statement to reporter but didn't want their name printed. What kind of shit is that? How afraid can these morons be of a little tyrant mayor?

July 26, 2007 5:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What does Antonio Villalinas and Gavin Newsom have in common?

Stay Tune.

July 26, 2007 5:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The comment about Dave Z. is outrageous, absolutely out of line. Folks who run this blog should be ashamed to let something like that stand.

Zahniser is not only the best reporter at City Hall, he is also one of the nicest, smartest, most decent people anyone could ever expect to meet.

For shame!!!!!

July 26, 2007 6:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What does Antonio Villalinas and Gavin Newsom have in common?

Stay Tune.

July 26, 2007 5:41 PM


Oooooo! Oooooo! NOT a switch hitter?? Say it ain't so!! That'll really drive the "base" wild!!! What would mighty Aztec warriors do with that one??

July 26, 2007 6:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

6:00

This is typical Parke Skelton bullshit. Look at how they went after Delgadillo and look at what they did to Hahn and Pacheco. Hahn and Pacheco were made out to be the scumbags of the earth, thanks to Parke. It didn't matter if the information they put out was lies, so long as it got out. Then they went out and started crying on how Hahn and Pacheco were getting dirty. Don't worry about this shit David Z., if they do put out shit like this, let's see the Times go to bat for you. That would really scare Parke.

July 26, 2007 6:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The comment about DaveZ belongs on the blog because it shows the true nature of those who would make such outrageous accusations.

This is what we (and the CMs) are up against. There's pay-for-play going on and play-or-else as well.

The sad truth is that what is happening in L.A. is like a mirror image of what Bush/Cheney have done to the federal government.

They try to take over everything, crush opponents without regard for the truth, blacklist people who refuse to play, and then change rules to keep themselves in power.

It is a sad, dangerous time for the city and the country.

July 26, 2007 6:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What we have here is an anti-American agent of Mexico replete with a corrupt, thieving cheating amoral, unethical gangster-like mentality.

The Salinas affair was no ordinary peccadillo...instead it was two anti-American, pro Mexican agents embedded with each other.

God only knows what this Mexican national said on Telemundo and Univision!!! Never before in the history of this country has a city official played two countries against each other.

The Mechista mayor is the lowest form of human excrement and has ZERO CREDIBILITY or LOYALTY!

Has anyone every heard Mecha Guy use the word AMERICAN OR AMERICA???? Did he say AMERICANS CLEAN YOUR TOILETS???

Not only should this guy be thrown out of City Hall....HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!! For Christ sakes...the guy is aiding and abetting illegals, gangs, MS 13, and has declared LA a santuary city! He won't rescind SO 40 and he defends the biggest child molester abettor in history!

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE????

WAKE UP EVERYONE...KICK HIS BROWN ASS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!

July 26, 2007 7:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did you see the "heckler" at the MTA video (KTLA - link to it at Flap's blog) - excellent, except he was really too soft on Villar ... Villar didn't even look up at him.

Also, since the rail line money is gone, are they now going to back off the high density housing madness???

July 26, 2007 7:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

According to Luke Ford, it appears that Diana Rubio, the staffer to whom those emails with advance Univision questions were sent for Villar, may be gone from her position. Also, Univision is conducting an internal investigation to determine who sent out those emails to the bloggers.

Gee, Villar denies he every saw questions in advance, the staffer who received those advance questions departs the scene, Univision clearly upset and investigating ... so much for those Villar groupies and agents who have been claiming that there is nothing wrong with him getting those questions in advance ... if there were nothing wrong with it these situations would NOT exist... The whole smarmy, corrupt lot are in bed together ... mayor, "reporter", mexican "news" media ....

July 26, 2007 8:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Telemundo has reached their decision on Salinas. It will be announced sometime between now and the week-end.

Once again, Villar is using his FAMILY. Laurel Erickson said he will be out of town this week-end WITH HIS SON and will not be available for comment re Salinas!

What a piece of shit coward! If NBC knows what's good for them, they will throw the slut back to Mexico!

July 26, 2007 8:23 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

AP is reporting that Telemundo has completed their ethics investigation of MS.

I have it at the Flapster's place.

July 26, 2007 8:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Channel 4 video showed Mecha Boy PICKING HIS NOSE at the MTA mtg. today! It was soooo disgusting!

July 26, 2007 8:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Typical pussy Tony. Just ask any of the guys that grew up with him or knew him when he was younger (Art Pulido). Tony would start fights with his mouth and then run away. This is why Tony has no childhood friends around him anymore.

And now he is running off with his son - what a great father/son lesson he is learning. Once the shit hits the fan, he runs away - it happened after the Martha affair, after the Sacto parking garage hissy fight, after the planned May 1st march, after the Mirthala scandal broke, - run Tony run - see pattern here.

July 26, 2007 8:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Once again, Villar is using his FAMILY. Laurel Erickson said he will be out of town this week-end WITH HIS SON and will not be available for comment re Salinas!

What a piece of shit coward! If NBC knows what's good for them, they will throw the slut back to Mexico!

July 26, 2007 8:23 PM

If Villar is fleeing the scene with some excuse like the son, that is kind of a hint of what is to come... interesting they are all still playing the game together... don't make the announcement until sometime on Friday (probably not too early) so the next two days, government and station offices are closed and Villar is conveniently out of town

July 26, 2007 8:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tonito, be careful that your daddy doesn't abandon you wherever you are going just like he used to in those South Pasadena Little League fields so that he could go off and screw some of your teamate's divorced moms.

You can't define a COWARD any better. Starts and leaves FOUR families but then uses them as a shield whenever he see the need. Parke, you were told you didn't know the real Antonio when you put him in your stable, I bet this is making you sick to your stomach.

July 26, 2007 8:41 PM  

Anonymous Flap said:

The announcement has to be sometime Saturday early afternoon to avoid the Los Angeles Times and LADN Sunday editions.

This is my bet.

Friday PM will spawn LADN and Times dueling pieces.

July 26, 2007 8:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FLAP

The Daily News wwill stop the presses, the Times will just ignore it. has anyone seen a critical story on Antonio in the Sunday edition that is 70% of their readership? It is no wonder the Daily News will be the premier L.A. Newspaper within three years.

July 26, 2007 8:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All this guy does anymore is run and hide ... this is a very good sign!!

July 26, 2007 8:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder how Hillary is goin gto respond. California reporters will keep hammering her.

July 26, 2007 9:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I can't believe Antonio used the term Senorita to refer to Mirthala. Senorita is the term for a single woman but in Mexico and other Latino American countries it is the conotative meaning for virgin. When young ladies talk about their sexual history those that reply "I am still a senorita" means I am still a virgin.

Kind of late for that, isn't it Antonio?

July 26, 2007 9:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

NBC and Teleumundo SABOTAGED Schwarzenegger in the debate before the Special Election! NBC even called Schwarzenneger afterward to APOLOGIZE!

As I have said ad nauseum, the NBC/Telemundo merger is a violation of anti-Trust Laws!

NBC/Telemundo have unduly influenced elections and have skewed the news in L.A.! NBC and Telemundo each paid $25,000 to attend the inauguration 'gala' after Villar was elected!

THE CORRUPTION BETWEEN VILLAR, NBC AND TELEMUNDO MUST BE INVESTIGATED. HOW CAN NBC BE ALLOWED TO OWN MEXICO'S MAJOR NETWORK? HOW CAN WE ALLOW THIS BILINGUAL TREASON TO CONTINUE????

July 26, 2007 9:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder when the last time Villar EVER spent a week-end with his SON! What a chicken-shit coward!

Did everyone catch Corina today...she was so dignified and said everything without saying one word about her piece of shit husband!

I hope she takes him to the cleaners and writes her book!

July 26, 2007 9:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Villar is trying to convince NBC and Telemundo that he will be the next GOVERNOR! If they do the right thing and fire Salinas, this will be the biggest slap in his ugly face!

He's been acting so smug and self-righteous every time he praises her unearthly, godess-like qualities...I can hardly wait to see her FIRED!

I really hope he marries her cuz that will REALLY be the END of him!

July 26, 2007 9:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well said Corina:

"When you make a commitment, you must honor it."

And she said this to a group of young Latinas after they gave her a standing ovation.

Too bad Antonio and Parke (who is also divorced) don't know the meaning of the word. Imagine how L.A. politics would be if they even had a little hint.

July 26, 2007 9:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder if Antonio will be taking his son to the Mustang Ranch - sounds like something he would do.

July 26, 2007 9:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Another clue that the Mirthala decision is coming down soon - the L.A. Times runs this headline "Burke residence far removed from her constituency"

They've had this story for three weeks. And now they spring it. Any question on who runs the L.A. Times - not Antonio but those pulling his strings.

July 26, 2007 9:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio Jr. is going off to college, for Pete's sake; spending time with his kid beforehand makes sense, and is a decent thing to do. Probably wants to tell his side of the story to the kid, leave him with a positive memory... Whatever you all have to say against the Mayor, this one is just lame b. s.

July 27, 2007 12:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:17

A decent thing to do? Boy have you got your head up deep into Antonio's ass! The decent thing to do would be to keep his family together. The decent thing to do wouil dbe to remain faithful to his kid's mother. The dcent thing to do, as Corina said, would be to honor his commitments.

Junior doesn't start college until September, we are in July - why take off now. Like the coward that he is he is using his kid as a shield.

Maybe he could have found more time for his kid if he wasn't off chasing skirts like a high school kid. There is nothing decent about this man.

July 27, 2007 6:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The red flag to us all hould have been when Antonio stepped onto the soccer field and was wearing a Chivas jersey instead of an LA Galaxy one when they played eachother. When Mayor Hahn was getting slammed by all the bullshit he didn't run and hide. Antonio we all know is a big baby who doesn't like negativity. He's going to hide out just like his mistress Mirthala has been.

The way to hit those network TV stations is with boycotting the advertisers. I say everyone start calling the advertisers of Telemundo and NBC and say you are going to boycott buying.

July 27, 2007 6:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CORINA !
I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE BEATINGS YOU ENDURED FROM THE WIFE BEATER THE MIDGIT MAYOR !
PLEASE WRITE THE BOOK!

July 27, 2007 6:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wouldn't put it past parke to try and slime reporters. Look what he did to Tony Castro after Castro pointed out most of Antoino's history is fiction.These guys play rough.

July 27, 2007 7:08 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

6:07 AM

Of course ... if this slug had a shred of "decency" he wouldn't choose THIS time to run off and hide and drag his kid into it as cover for himself. If he really wanted "quality time" with the kid, he'd do it when the kid was not a convenient "tool".

Imagine how conflicted Villar must be right now ... he has such a total fascination with cameras and photo ops, like the moth to the flame, reacting like Pavlov's dog to a bell when he sees one, he cannot restrain himself and, suddenly, he finds himself having to run away from them ... his programming must be causing his "wiring" to short out big time!

July 27, 2007 7:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn and Pacheco were made out to be the scumbags of the earth, thanks to Parke. It didn't matter if the information they put out was lies, so long as it got out.

What do you mean? Hahn was/is a scumbag.

July 27, 2007 3:48 PM  

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