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Thursday, November 24, 2005

Ben Franklin & The True Story of Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving has not always been a but-gusting, stuffing eating soiree of football and food. In the early days, our forefathers sought to appease God and highlight the suffering of early colonial life by fasting and being miserable.

Ben Franklin comes along years later and tells the story of how one farmer stood out from among the orthdoxy of the day and suggested we celebrate the blessings and bounty we have through a joyous feast.

Mrs. Cubbison, the Butterball folks and the planners of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade remain forever grateful.

The Real Story of the First Thanksgiving
By Benjamin Franklin (1785)

“There is a tradition that in the planting of New England, the first settlers met with many difficulties and hardships, as is generally the case when a civiliz’d people attempt to establish themselves in a wilderness country. Being so piously dispos’d, they sought relief from heaven by laying their wants and distresses before the Lord in frequent set days of fasting and prayer. Constant meditation and discourse on these subjects kept their minds gloomy and discontented, and like the children of Israel there were many dispos’d to return to the Egypt which persecution had induc’d them to abandon.

“At length, when it was proposed in the Assembly to proclaim another fast, a farmer of plain sense rose and remark’d that the inconveniences they suffer’d, and concerning which they had so often weary’d heaven with their complaints, were not so great as they might have expected, and were diminishing every day as the colony strengthen’d; that the earth began to reward their labour and furnish liberally for their subsistence; that their seas and rivers were full of fish, the air sweet, the climate healthy, and above all, they were in the full enjoyment of liberty, civil and religious.

“He therefore thought that reflecting and conversing on these subjects would be more comfortable and lead more to make them contented with their situation; and that it would be more becoming the gratitude they ow’d to the divine being, if instead of a fast they should proclaim a thanksgiving. His advice was taken, and from that day to this, they have in every year observ’d circumstances of public felicity sufficient to furnish employment for a Thanksgiving Day, which is therefore constantly ordered and religiously observed.”

Ben Franklin wanted the turkey, not the bald eagle to be our national symbol. Read why in Ben's own words at MS2.


Anonymous Anonymous said:

I appreciate the historical perspective this site gives. Brings a little extra color and meaning to our observance. Thanks, MS.

November 24, 2005 12:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I agree, although I admit I hoped there wouldn't be a religious theme.

November 24, 2005 12:38 AM  

Blogger joseph mailander said:

Sure he wanted the wild turkey. But what did he ever do about the 80 FAKE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHES?

Happy Thanksgiving, yerhonors. Much thankful for MayorSam, a site with just the right mix of gravitas and levity.

November 24, 2005 7:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Happy Thanks-Takings, evil Pilgrims

November 24, 2005 7:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lawyer Alleges City Atty. Donor Deal
A contributor says in a letter that a top deputy offered to waive about $696,500 on a loan. A spokesman for Delgadillo denies claim.
By Patrick McGreevy
Times Staff Writer

November 24, 2005

A lawyer who is a political donor to Los Angeles City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo contends in a recent letter that one of Delgadillo's top deputies offered to waive about $696,500 that the donor's client owes on a city loan.

Lance Robbins, who has been repeatedly accused by the city of operating slum buildings, wrote the letter to Delgadillo's deputy to acknowledge the offer.

A Delgadillo representative on Wednesday flatly denied that any settlement offer was made. And, hours after The Times inquired about the issue, city officials announced that the city attorney's office went to court to file a foreclosure action on the loan for the Lido apartments in Hollywood.

"This office made no settlement offer, and the city has been sued by borrower," said Jonathan Diamond, a spokesman for Delgadillo.

The city once described Robbins in a lawsuit as "one of Los Angeles' most notorious landlords." Between 1984 and 2000, the city filed 54 criminal and civil charges against him for 17 buildings that allegedly had serious health and safety violations — the most actions against any landlord in the 25-year history of the city's Slum Housing Task Force.

Delgadillo has accepted $16,600 in political contributions from Robbins, his businesses, partners, relatives and associates to pay for campaigns and political expenses.

The Times reported in October that Delgadillo settled a city lawsuit against Robbins in 2002 for $1 million, even though the city originally said it was owed $3 million for delinquent utility bills.

Delgadillo denied that the 2002 settlement was a favor to a political supporter.

Robbins has a financial interest in the Lido, a 100-unit apartment building at 6500 Yucca St. He also serves as an attorney for principal owner Santa Rosa Marathon Corp. and the firm's president, Craig Dennis.

Dennis was notified by the city Housing Department on Sept. 7 that his firm was in default on $1.8 million in principal and $1.7 million in interest from three loans made to fix up the apartment building.

The five-story building, originally a hotel in the 1920s, is a Hollywood landmark. Its lobby was pictured on the Eagles' album "Hotel California."

The loans were made by the city Housing Department in exchange for a promise by Santa Rosa Marathon Corp. to provide apartments for tenants with low and moderate incomes.

The payment was due Sept. 1, according to the letter from Lynn Hansen, assistant general manager of the Housing Department.

In a Sept. 12 letter to Supervising City Atty. Peter Gutierrez that was obtained by The Times through the California Public Records Act, Robbins outlined a settlement offer he said Gutierrez made.

"Craig appreciates the offer you made of the city offering to accept 60% of the accrued interest, but finds it unacceptable," Robbins wrote.

Robbins countered by proposing to have Dennis pay the principal owed on the loans and to put $1 million in an escrow account subject to arbitration.

On Sept. 15, Deputy City Atty. Suzanne Spillane wrote back to Robbins, saying the Housing Department was rejecting his offer.

Diamond did not respond to questions seeking elaboration on his statement that the city attorney's office did not make a settlement offer.

However, Thomas A. Nitti, another attorney for Dennis, insisted Wednesday that the city attorney's office did make the offer to waive 40% of the interest the city says it is owed on the loans.

"My client stands by the letter," Nitti said. On behalf of Dennis, Nitti recently filed a lawsuit maintaining that the city has no right to interest on the loans because the loan agreements require only the principal to be paid if the loans are paid on time.

Diamond asserted in an e-mail that no settlement was offered.

"Staff attorneys at the city attorney's office are discussing all options with our client to aggressively enforce the covenants in the loan agreement and act in the best interests of the city, up to and including litigation," he wrote.

Two hours later, the Housing Department announced that the city attorney's office had filed for foreclosure on the property, seeking all $3,565,335 in principal and interest.

The foreclosure lawsuit names Robbins, Santa Rosa Marathon Corp. and Brick Investment Corp., a firm headed by Robbins' partner Stanley Treitel.

Brick Investment gave a $5,600 campaign contribution to Delgadillo's campaign for attorney general in April.

Other documents released by the city attorney's office indicate that Spillane was representing the city in talks on the loans, but that Robbins repeatedly went over her head by writing to Gutierrez, the supervising attorney for the office's real estate and economic development unit.

Robbins also copied his letters to Ann D'Amato, who is Delgadillo's chief of staff.

In addition, Treitel communicated directly with D'Amato and Gutierrez, writing to suggest an escrow account could be used to pay off the loans.

At one point, Spillane wrote to Robbins to tell him to direct future correspondence to her and her supervisor rather than to Gutierrez.

November 24, 2005 7:40 AM  

Anonymous huizy said:

One of the things I am most thankful for this Thanksgiving is the inept staff who ran Nick Pacheco's campaign.

November 24, 2005 8:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Huizar should be thankful for AV. People still don't know who Huizar is. AV for CD 14, Mayor, Govenor and President.

November 24, 2005 9:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Any truth to the rumor that "Tookie" Williams tried to have his name changed to "Turkey" Williams in hopes George Bush would pardon HIM last week?

November 24, 2005 10:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm THANKFUL this Thanksgiving, that L.A. has a weak mayoral system, to give the wimp of a mayor more excuses.

November 24, 2005 10:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm thankful to Mayor Sam for giving us all a place to vent and post our opinions. Where else would be go?

I'm thankful for LA reporters like David Z. of Daily Breeze, and Patrick McGreevy, Steve Hymon and Richard Fausset of LA Times who continue to report the facts and don't write snow jobs on Antonio.

I'm not thankful that we have the most lame city council and mayor a city as big as LA has.

November 24, 2005 10:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Channel 7 just reported that the homeless at Fred Jordan Mission have been waiting for 1 1/2 hour to eat cause they were told they're waiting for Antonio. IF this isn't the most arrogant ass in this city!!!!!!

November 24, 2005 11:36 AM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

12:38 AM - What is wrong with religion? Liberals treat it like its pornography. Thanksgiving has a religious theme and it did for the Pilgrims.

You celebrate diversity if its black or brown or muslim or anything not Judeo-Christian. I agree religion should be not shoved down anyone's throat, but there is nothing wrong with public display and discussion of faith, even from Christians.

People like you make religion and Christianity as its some kind of plague, so that even various sects of Christianity have to point out they're not parts of others whom you may find offensive.

November 24, 2005 12:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

THE TURKEY AWARD goes to......
Villarbabozo for his civic adaptation of the ongoing play 'BACK STABBER'.

Where the 18th Street Drug Money Laudering Cholo, gives the DWP unions all that they want, while denying equal pay to the only other union, The Engineers and Architects Association that supported him in his Mayoral race.

Then "Tony the Pimp" morphs into "BIZARRO' and builds up staff morale by giving raises from the ground up.

The plot thickens as "Tony the Pimp" gives his Deputy Chief of Staff a raise and not his Chief of Staff, which he will try to do when he thinks no one is looking.

This turns into a comedy when Robin Kramer is forced to deliver the staright line for "Tony the Pimp"
'I'm content with my salary and not seeking a raise'...YEAHHHHHH RIGHT !

How solid can Alex Padilla's support for State Senate be from "Tony the Pimp" when this play is still unraveling.

THE PIDGEON AWARD goes to....... JOSE "Mini Me" HUIZAR, well, because he is one. Does his pappy Tony "Stabby" Villababozo move his desk into MIni Me's office to show him what he wants done like on the campaign trail. How long before "Stabby" serves up a pidgeon dinner.

November 24, 2005 1:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Agree with Yorty. The hypocrisy and cliches from the diversity industry are tiring.

And it's not too early to say Merry Christmas!

November 24, 2005 1:34 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

If they had to wait it is the fault of the Fred Jordan Mission.

They want to make sure they get the most popular person on Camera so they can raise more money. This year while I went around taking pics - pics you can seeat my blog- http://www.centralcitye.blogspot.com - the feeling I got was that the stars wanted to be seen with Antonio Villaraigosa and not the other way around. I watched how the stars would try and get close to V while the paparazzi were all there taking pictures.

ANyway , thse missions like the attention they get from the Stars coming out and like PAt Morrison said in the LAtimes yesterday there are many stars that don't just show up on Thanksgiving and Christmas and they are here and help quite a bit.

But I wonder if I have become the paparazzi. I don't know but I like taking pics of the volunteers -other than the stars that show up .

I have to say that
it is surreal wacthing this happen.

Check out the pics on my blog

November 24, 2005 4:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The EAA should protest AV at these photo ops.

November 24, 2005 6:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

John & Ken on KFI don't like Antonio. They had Dennis Zine on their show about EAA striking. AT least Dennis, Parks and Smith had the guts to vote NO on DWP raise. Now you have the union trying to get Ludlow involved to help persuade AV. Unfortunately, he can't participate cause an elected has to wait 1 year before lobbying.

Dgarzilla all those morons are missing the point of what Thanksgiving with the homeless is suppose to be. AV is mayor photo op and the celebrities are using this occassion like him for themselves.

November 24, 2005 8:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You don't think liberals or atheists (and they aren't one and the same-but two different types of religion haters) don't have enough reason to equate religion with pornography?

Not all liberals are religion haters, by the way.

You run a blog. I think that would mean you read everything and know what the problems with religion are. Too many to count. You don't think the line of separation is getting closer and closer? Soon it will be gone.

It's not that I'm not tolerant of all religions. It's just that I want to live in a country that allows me to BE tolerant of all religions. Unfortunately, I live in a country that believes you are wrong if you have no religion, no matter how good of a person you are. I live in a country who is at war with another country over religion. I live in a country where Protestants believe only they are going to heaven, Catholics believe only they are going to heaven, Muslims believe only they are going to heaven, blah, blah, blah.

As IF there were such a place. As IF there were a guy sitting in clouds telling gays they are hell bound.

If you want to believe, just believe.

I reserve the right to disagree. I reserve the right to wish that ever since 9-11, everything in our country doesn't have religious overtones.

November 26, 2005 2:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Christianity did put us through 500 years of the Dark Ages. Imagine how the world would be today if we did not kill all those people and stunt the growth of the world in the name of god.

Im not a religious person, nonetheless, I think the words of the Bible, the Koran, etc. are beautiful, motivating, and amazing literature that should be studied, not worshipped.

April 14, 2010 12:19 PM  

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