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Monday, April 25, 2005

Black-Latino Coalition

The New York Times sent one of it's best reporters John Broder out into the field with a story on an unprecedented alliance between Tony Villar and the African American community.

Some excerpts.

"Mr. Hahn is running for re-election and is the decided underdog in his runoff next month against Antonio Villaraigosa, a member of the City Council and the man Mr. Hahn narrowly defeated in 2001. With the enthusiastic help of numerous African-American leaders, including Mr. Parks, who is also a city councilman now, Mr. Villaraigosa is patching together a black-Latino coalition unlike any ever seen in this vast, diverse city.

...Today, however, surveys show that less than half of African-American voters support Mr. Hahn."


Blogger Athena said:

The interesting part of this article is this quote from Kam Kuwata:

"Antonio is running a crackerjack operation when it comes to putting together a long list of endorsers," said Kam Kuwata, a senior strategist for Mr. Hahn. "When you ask him who he is, he says he's the candidate endorsed by Maxine Waters. But when you ask the second question - what do you stand for? - he has nothing to say."

So is this where the Hahn campaign is going? Really? Attacking Villaraigosa as "the candidate endorsed by Maxine Waters." ?

Mayor Sam, you should be proud of your progeny.

April 25, 2005 2:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is exactly what they said during the March election. Hahn got 23% of the black vote and Antonio got only 13%. With the blacks upset that illegal immigrants have over taken their community and the Jefferson High fights where Latino students are telling blacks 'You'll see when our Mexican mayor comes in" its not going to help Antonio. Now that the media is reporting Antonio supports gangs do you really think blacks will vote for a Latino mayor? NOT

April 25, 2005 2:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nice race-baiting. Sounds like words from the past, familiar to Ku Klux Klan members. Latinos aren't taunting African students with that stupid crap. Unfortunately most don't even know who's running for mayor.

But look at from another perspective:

With Antonio demonstrating real cross-racial alliances, who better to resolve the racial tension but him!

Blog away haters.

April 25, 2005 2:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Apparently, you do not deal with kids at the high school level.

Ignorance is a learned trait, and you mastered it from AV Anon 2:20

April 25, 2005 2:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard what the Latino students are saying to the black studnets straight from a black parents mouth. Antonio can't even take care of his own damn district's problems with 15 homicides and he's on the other end of the city. You don't think this has pissed off a lot of his district. THINK AGAIN!

April 25, 2005 3:30 PM  

Anonymous 3rdFloorGuy said:

Kam called the blacks "Cracker Jacks?"

Boy that's just like when Ernani Benardi called Mark Ridley-Thomas "Curly!"

April 25, 2005 3:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Daily News Town Hall Opinion Section Sunday. This is how badly ANtonio answered a question. He takes credit for Greg Smith's proposal that he didn't have anything to do with. You be the judge on this question and see who is the more experienced and better qualified. Hahn of course;

Reader question: What are you going to do about illegal vendors that are all over our city?

Villaraigosa: As with so many of our law enforcement issues, our ability to enforce vending regulations will improve as we add more officers to the LAPD. That is why, working with Council member Greig Smith, I supported and helped secure funding to add almost 300 officers to the LAPD in the next fiscal year. I have also co-authored a proposal with Council member Jack Weiss to add an additional 90 officers from budget savings. That's almost 400 new cops for our city - all without raising taxes.

Hahn: Los Angeles businesses should be legitimate or they should be shut down. The Department of Building and Safety aggressively cites illegal vendors to protect legitimate businesses, keep the streets clear and protect public health. The Community Development Department works with illegal vendors to establish themselves legally, so they adhere to safety standards and pay their fair share in taxes toward the services they enjoy.

April 25, 2005 3:38 PM  

Anonymous meat said:


A. Antonio did give the right answer.

B. Hahn wasn't "on message."

C. nobody cares about this issue -- except weirdos and crazies like monica harmon.

April 25, 2005 3:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

?? who is this weirdo, crazy,dame Monica Harmon? Why does her name keep coming up.

April 25, 2005 4:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Be careful people. It looks like MEAT is in co-hoots with this website if not running it himself. He's going to attack anyone who is not supporting his boss. Looks as if he has an in with the IP's. No other way he can know who's posting what. He's giving himself away. Ulyssess everyone knows who you are or is it Michael Trujillo?

April 25, 2005 4:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT is Ullysees, the computer nerd. MEAT, you think that was the right answer by Tony and that Hahn was "off message." Where did you go to school. You can't be that lame, it takes same brains to be a computer geek. If this is what you think, no wonder you are working with Tony. I guess Victor Griego didn't teach you anything.

April 25, 2005 4:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anyone not supporting Antonio is going to be attacked. MEAT feels he's man enough to do it for them hiding behind a stupid name not his real idenity. IF you're a Hahn supporter MEAT will attack you for no other reason but because you don't like ADV. This is the way they threaten and treat people.

April 25, 2005 4:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What type of coalition is it when Villaraigosa helped get Vignali out of jail, and Vignali's African American co defendants are still there. It's about money and race, Vignali is white.

April 25, 2005 4:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You Hahn people are like a broken record about Antonio, you've posted not one good reason to vote for Hahn other than he's not Antonio. You've given not one thing Hahn has accomplished.

April 25, 2005 5:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WATCH THIS, 5:01 p.m. Anonymous:

You VILLARAIGOSA people are like a broken record about HAHN, you've posted not one good reason to vote for VILLARAIGOSA other than he's not HAHN. You've given not one thing VILLARAIGOSA has accomplished.

(see how that works -- except we HAVE posted tons of things HAHN has accomplished, you just choose to ignore it and shout "corruption" like brain-dead broken records).

April 25, 2005 5:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT is trying to "out" posters because somewhere along the way his ID was cracked.

But so far, he hasn't gotten ONE of the Anti-ADV people he identified here correct. . .

April 25, 2005 5:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn accomplishments: Public Safety bringing in Bratton and getting rid of Parks, affordable housing, after school programs, gang reduction programs, LAX expansion 3rd busiest airport in world, worked with neighborhood councils givng them more power and implementing having a rep on each commission and other depts. meetings, etc. etc.

April 25, 2005 5:12 PM  

Blogger Athena said:

Who's are the antitonies posting here? That's easy, we just need to figure out which local asylum has a broadband connection.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

April 25, 2005 5:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

2:09 p.m. said:

"So is this where the Hahn campaign is going? Really? Attacking Villaraigosa as 'the candidate endorsed by Maxine Waters'?"

Works for me. . . do you have ANY idea how large a majority of the people in this city think MAD Maxine is the worst player in L.A. politics, and that if she EVER ran for a citywide job she'd get stuck in single digits.

ADV has gone after what his hack consultants saw as Hahn's lynchpin in the past -- African Americans's -- thinking that would crippled him. But, they failed to flank him anywhere else, meanwhile ADV's own Latino base is eroding from the news that he's stiffed his own district for two years, just to get back at Hahn. And, ADV is still unacceptable to anyone right of center (at least anyone who pays attention to local issues) -- a minority in L.A., but a large one. And, one FAR to large to leave on the table and still win -- in exchange for getting 50+ percent of a small minority that Maxine might reach).

ADV lost his edge as a street fighter when he decided to become the "victim-of-the-week" anytime someone attacked. Pity got him the consolation prize of CD14, but that's ALL it's worth in the end.

People may not want a mayor they see as "corrupt" but they definitely don't want a wimp who hides from the media and cries foul every time his opponent speaks.

ADV has become the sissy la-la candidate. And this is too tough a town for that kind of "poor me" campaign.

Bad strategy -- wins battles, but loses wars.

April 25, 2005 5:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I didn't know how big this drug guy was. WorldNetNews

Carlos Vignali -- a drug kingpin and one of the largest cocaine dealers in U.S. history -- is the latest newsworthy Clinton pardonee. Yesterday's Los Angeles Times detailed Vignali's career as "the central player in a cocaine ring that stretched from California to Minnesota," delivering more than 800 pounds of cocaine. Why did Clinton pardon Vignali, who served only six years of a 15-year sentence for convictions on three counts of federal narcotics violations? Maybe because his father, rich Los Angeles entrepreneur Horacio Vignali, a la Denise Rich, donated over $160,000 to mostly Democrat politicians who wrote to Clinton and then-Attorney General Janet Reno, asking for clemency for Vignali.

April 25, 2005 5:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, baby. . . ADV don't waste his time with penny ante stuff. Local crack dealers and homegrown pushers couldn't get a sentence of support out of him, let along a WHOLE letter (and phone calls???) But if you got LOTS of money, and daddy help finance ADV's career path, then you can get an appeal to anybody from Mr. Consensus Builder.

It's "pay for pardon."

April 25, 2005 5:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is why the Black Community will not vote for Antonio. Not when he wrote a letter to get off a white guy and 30 blacks are still doing time for the same crime.

.....ex-councilman, Mike Hernandez, was also arrested and convicted for buying cocaine from two of his constituents. The Los Angeles Times reported that he would go to the Pico-Union area which is located just west of City Hall to buy cocaine during lunch. It was reported that authorities found pornography in his City Hall office during the investigation and search for evidence…….. including the support of another ex-councilman by the name of Richard Alatorre. Richard Alatorre was also a heavy user and abuser of cocaine. Court testimony by his staff relate accounts of his cocaine use while on duty. It was testified that he often came back from the office restroom with a white residue around his nose and that the same white residue was often seen on the top of his office desk. Unfortunately for La Raza, what James Hahn is throwing at Villargairosa is based on facts.Without exception, all of these "politicos" are members of the corrupt Democratic Party. The "Pardons for Sale" scandal
This scandal has angered two large blocks of voters in Los Angeles. The first is the L.A. Black community. The Black community is asking why the thirty Black youths that were imprisoned along with Carlos Vignali were not released as well. In fact, Carlos Vignali was the principal culprit in the crime. He was the one that provided the money necessary for the crack cocaine operation and was one of the main leaders.

April 25, 2005 5:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


I'll give you a hint, I might or might not be from the 3rd floor, but I am constantly on the 17th hundredth floor on Wilshire...

April 25, 2005 5:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is that the Federal Bldg?

April 25, 2005 5:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILLIAM BENNETT, CO-DIRECTOR, EMPOWER AMERICA: Those guys were very polite, Larry. Mr. Vignali went to jail because he was involved in distributing 800 pounds of cocaine. His lawyer said, no, it wasn't that bad, just a thousand kilos of cocaine.

Do you have any idea of how much damage 1,000 kilos of cocaine can do? Well, 800 pounds of cocaine could effectively provide one rock of crack for every kid in Los Angeles. It's 1,000 kilos less, but still, a substantial amount of cocaine.

There are black co-defendants who are still in jail and will be for a long time. But Carlos Vignali is now out. He is a white man. KING: Because he had influence...

April 25, 2005 5:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"ANTONIO... then opens it up to questions from the assembled media. LAUREL Erickson of Channel 4 and LINDA Breakstone of Channel 2 go first and ask about drug dealer Carlos Vignali. ANTONIO starts his stock answer about Hahn's term being "the most investigated in city history, since the 1930s..."

LAUREL: Councilman, I asked you a direct question...
LINDA: Councilman, what about...!

Campaign press secretary Nathan James steps in, cuts off questions, and hustles ANTONIO off the set and out a side door.

CUT TO: Assembled SCRIBES looking at each other; (mouthing the words) What was that?

Puzzled SCRIBES trudge toward parking lot, making mental notes to do more digging -- if ANTONIO runs away, might there be something more down the Vignali well?"

April 25, 2005 6:30 PM  

Anonymous Lou Cyper said:

WorldNEtNews? That's the best you guys can do? How 'bout quoting Jeff Gannon?

The best you losers got is Vignali - old news. Gee, the racist aspect of writing a letter for "White Guy" (WTF?)Carlos Vignali didn't seem a racist act for Cardinal Mahony, did it?

And all this crap about his record as a Councilman "getting out"? What the hell are you people talking about? And if anybody mentions the damn dog park again you get an extra year in purgatory.

Blog away in your land of tautalogical accusations, kids. Maybe you can just start a blog "Little Green Footballs - The Anti Villaraigosa Edition."

The fact is that Mayor Subpeona is wounded and cornered, lashing out with every race-baiting code word that comes to his frothing lips.

His daddy is spinning in his grave so bad he must be throwing sparks.

What's the next revelation? Tony met with Pancho Villa to discuss the Zimmerman telegram 19 years before he was born? Maybe Hahn is going to wave AV's disciplinary record from the 9th grade? Tony is actually funding a Chicano race pride club at Jefferson, where he meets in secret with the Foreign Minister of MExico and his Soviet handler?

You people are ridiculous.

Let the spite and bile fly, haters. Its only the same crap you keep recycling over and over.

April 25, 2005 7:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Funny that, it's all the same (but some of the most recent stuff was censored).

It's either NOT the same, or somebody's skin is getting thinner by the minute.

April 25, 2005 7:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Censorship on this blog is and suppressing freedom of speech is AV's hand pointing at his help.

April 25, 2005 8:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's just so boring; you guys are so filled with hate you cannot see or blog straight.

No one cares about Vignali or Clinton or anything else Antonio did as a kid. Nor do we care who he may be sleeping with or who he did sleep with.

What we care about is the utter incompetancy of the Administration of James Kenneth Hahn.

He has the Kiddie Korps as his Deputy Mayors who blow every opportunity to make LA better.

Renata Simril, good person that she may be, is way over her head and lost a Three (3) Billion Dollar opportunity to host the Bio-Medical Research Center for the State of California because she couldn't read the RFP correctly.

You do the math; how many jobs did we lose in one quick shot?

We have overspent in LADWP to pay Hahn's personal PR Man, Doug Dowie (Fleishman-Hillard) over Five (5) Million Dollars.

We have granted "Sweetheart Contracts" to people close to Hahn at the Airport, CRA, Housing Department, Harbor and LADWP, costing Hundreds of Millions. Think what we could have done with this money.

Hahn's people have been fired for these very acts, but Hahn claims they are "innocent" nonetheless. He cannot have it both ways.

This is not made up.

John Stodder (already indicted), Doug Dowie, on the cusp to be indicted, Ted Stein, investigated and ready to be indicted, Troy Edwards, investigated and ready to be indicted, Leland Wong, investigated and ready to be indicted, James Acevedo, investigated and in default on Millions of dollars in loans from the city, Chris Hammond, investigated and in default on Millions of dollars of loans from the city.

It is ugly, ugly, ugly. All fired by Jimmy; all "not proved" according to Jimmy.

Can he have it both ways?

You decide.

April 25, 2005 9:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Renata Simril screwed up with the RFP, no doubt about it. But assuming she did a bang up job (and there is no excuse that she didn't) the HQ for stem cell research was never coming to LA. If you know anything about that process you must know that neither SD or LA ever had a chance.

True Stodder has been indicted but we have all heard - weekly - about pending indictments that never seem to materialize.

Really, all what you have written is just your opinion - no more or no less valuable than anybody else. But it's still just your opinion. Not fact.

April 26, 2005 12:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

9:53 p.m., you're obviously an inside hack, because you have no concept of the fact that EVERY name you post on your "most wanted" list of insiders might as well be "John Smith" to the average voter. They mean nothing -- some never ever worked for Hahn, or the city, just outside contractors.

All the internal corruption you can claim, or even "prove" eventually pales in comparison to a trusted politician using his pull -- however long ago -- to get a scum-sucker who pumped poison into kids veins OUT, scot free because Tony wanted to move up the ladder.

Vignali will always be fresh for people who live in fear of gangs, drugs, crime, and violence -- which is most of the city.

One major criminal let back on the street, WHENever it happened, trumps every un-proven "white-collar" pay for play you can invent before May 17. You'd have to prove Hahn was selling kids drugs out of his city vehicle to make these equal threats to real voters.

"Pick my pocket for a few extra pennies a year at city hall (you ALL do anyway), or get my kids addicted to cocaine?" Not even a close call for the average working stiff. We expect to rip us off -- but we don't expect you to free major felons in the process.

OH, and please hang up the "Hahn let wife-beaters go" as city attorney silliness. That will get you exactly one vote for every case you can cite -- the beaten wife who already knows that.

Except to Tony-lovers and paid hacks of course. To them, poor "abused childhood" scumbags like Vignali SHOULD walk free -- especially if they have "nice" daddies now -- and accused, but legally innocent city employees should be behind bars.

BOY is your world upside down. . .

April 26, 2005 1:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, check this out, CD 14ers! I'll bet that you feel safer already, now that Hahn's Campaign Ace has told you he is there for you...but where are the officers that go with the false promises?

See below:

Los Angeles Daily News

Bratton allays Latinos' fears
No racial-ethnic profiling, chief promises

By Josh Kleinbaum
Staff Writer

Monday, April 25, 2005 - Police Chief William Bratton met face-to-face with members of the Latino community on Monday, giving his assurance that he will not make any changes to Special Order 40 - the department's policy that restricts officers from inquiring about people's immigrant status.

Bratton told a group of 23 leaders from more than a dozen organizations that he will clarify the policy with officers.

"We are not proposing to change a single word of Special Order 40," Bratton said. "As we continue increasing our focus on crime in this city, we are going after the worst of the worst. Individuals who are arrested, convicted, deported and come back into the country fit that description - worst of the worst.

"I'm not concerned what the victim's immigrant status is. I could care less."

Police officers will be allowed to inquire about immigrant status in three situations, Assistant Chief George Gascon said: If an officer recognizes a suspect deported from a past arrest and conviction; if police intelligence identifies a suspect who has been deported and returned to the country illegally; or if officers learn that somebody already arrested fits the criteria.

Bratton said the department will increase officer training about the nuances of Special Order 40 and form a group of Latino leaders and police officials to foster communication and trust between the Latino community and the police force. He plans to present his proposal to the Police Commission in a couple of months.

Community leaders requested the meeting. Special Order 40 is a hot-button issue in the Latino community, and some in the community believe changes that loosen the order's protections for immigrants could lead to racial or ethnic profiling by police officers.

"We asked 20 questions, and they were all about racial profiling: Are you going to be stopped because of the way you're dressed? Are you going to be stopped because of the way you look? Are you going to be stopped because of the way you speak English?" said Salvador Sanabria, associate director of El Rescate, which organized the meeting.

"We've always agreed with Special Order 40. From what we heard from the chief of police today, he gave his word to us that no changes are going to be made. To safeguard that promise, we've formed this work group."

Bratton won the support of the group by promising to work with the immigrant community and by expressing a grasp of their key issues, including their culture of fear of the police. He agreed to form the work group and promised to hold the first meeting within the next two weeks, Sanabria said. Bratton also told the group that he supported driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.

"He understands the concerns of the community," said Isabel Cardenas, a community activist who attended the meeting. "It's great that he can think in those terms."

Josh Kleinbaum, (818) 546-3669 josh.kleinbaum@dailynews.com

April 26, 2005 5:04 AM  

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