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Wednesday, February 23, 2005

Moving on Up


Catching up after last evening's bender, I read the following on El Blogero . Nothing we don't already expect, but funny how they are so resigned to it:
L.A. May be About to Elect a Hispanic Mayor

Political Wire reports on a SurveyUSA poll that gives Antonio Villaraigosa a 17 point lead over the incumbent mayor James K. Hahn in the upcoming mayoral primary in L.A. This is a rematch of the 2001 L.A. mayoral race. Villaraigosa's strength is among Hispanics, young voters and liberals. Former Assembly Speaker Bob Hertzberg is the choice of Republicans and Conservatives, but in L.A., that does not provide much in terms of ballot box strength.

blah blah blah...

Second, if Villaraigosa wins, he will quickly be crowned as a leading Democrat to run against Governor Schwarzenegger in 2006. This will then test Hispanic political ascendancy statewide (Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamente's silly and somnambulic "vote no on recall, but yes for me" campaign does not count).
I can't wait!


Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is that a monkey in the U-haul truck, and if so, what's the editorial commentary intended there?

February 23, 2005 12:57 PM  

Anonymous Jose from Pacas said:

Man even Antonia the pinche puto sad clown wouldn't be this bold or dumb.

The first Hispanic governor will be Richard Alarcon in 2010.

February 23, 2005 12:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Unfortunately, Richard is going the way of Xavier Becerra...6%...what a joke. I'd be surprised if Richard bested Xavier in the final vote tally. Xavier has been on the skids ever since his pathetic showing and Richard will follow as well.

February 23, 2005 1:14 PM  

Anonymous Nacho From Pico said:

Wow, I can't believe that Jose pulled out his Cholo Sin Barrio Spanglish handbook and came up with "Antonia the pinche puto sad clown". Glad to know that you still are capable of using your language skills that you acquired back in 3rd grade.

If you're going to be all hard up in here, at least some level of maturity in your postings. It goes to show more about what kind of person you are than the person you're criticizing.

Sorry, maybe you got the "pinche puto sad clown" from Blood In Blood Out. Or was it American Me???

February 23, 2005 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Are we racial-profiling the gubernatorial candidates now? I think we're probably also overdue for a Russian governor. They controlled a big part of the state before 1850, too.

Hey, and the Chinese helped built the railroads that made this place livable. What about them?

February 23, 2005 1:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nacho, do you REALLY want to bring up bad Spanglish in this election, too. Wasn't that a really sore spot among Tony V. supporters a few years ago. Watch which Pandora's box you open up with frivolous comments -- they can bite back.

February 23, 2005 1:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nacho you're embarrassing us. Any intelligent, articulate, mature Latino is not going to support Antonio because we know better and he insults are intelligence with his lies. This race is not about ethnicity. Its about being the more experienced person to lead this city and trust me ADV is not that person. Unfortunately, we all know the negative information will start hitting hard in a couple of days. Voters need to know the lies ADV has been putting out there. Give us some credit Nacho.

February 23, 2005 2:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The "monkey" is on Tony V's back!

February 23, 2005 2:08 PM  

Anonymous Nacho From Pico said:

There was nothing frivolous about what I said. I was just trying to make a point about somebody saying "pinche puto sad clown" in the way that Jose did.

What's new about any of Latino elected officials having pocho Spanglish in them? Most Latino electeds have that issue, and that's probably because they weren't being raised in households were learning proper Spanish was a priority. I have to admit, I wasn't somebody who was on top of my pretéritos and diptongos until I was in High School, but that's a common factor in many Latino households.

I was trying to make the point about somebody coming on here and getting super ghetto up in here. It was completely a childish comment that belongs in the playground, Folsom State Prison, or El Tigre Market on Laurel Canyon.

February 23, 2005 2:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The poll shows Anotonio getting 30% of the conservative vote. More than Bob or Hahn--what's up with this thing?

February 23, 2005 2:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Quick, leak that little tidbit to the Northeast Progressives -- all 12 of them will smell a rat and run FROM the hills. . .

February 23, 2005 2:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This poll has turned out to be a huge joke.

February 23, 2005 2:52 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

Boi from Troy has posted results of another poll released today -- also a small sampling -- from Probolsky that shows this to still be a close 3-way race among H, V, & H, especially given it's similar 5-6 percent margin of error.


I won't steal Boi's thunder or the numbers, but some of the sub-demographic alignments do seem to mesh better with historic voting patterns. (Not that much detail is given, however, e.g., Hahn and/or Hertzberg doing better with the GOP, etc.)

February 23, 2005 5:19 PM  

Anonymous Jose Harriman said:

Nacho pinche puto maricon tell your lover Antonia the super sad clown that latin people will not be fooled by a baboon like Antonia

February 23, 2005 5:36 PM  

Anonymous Nacho From Pico said:

Ok Jose, obviously you were not satisfied being the sole member of the Cholo Sin Barrio Club, so somehow you found out about this blog and believed that your vato loco skills are better used here than working behind the counter at Queens Burgers in Pacoima.

Please take a moment to see how your words make you look. Imagine somebody calling a person out on the street a "shit loving booger jerk off". Get the point??? Somehow, I doubt it.

Sorry everybody for taking space up dealing with this choont. Next time I'll address real blog discussions, but I just felt that somebody had to put this guy in his place. But I guess that might not happen, since he probably hasn't committed his 3rd felony yet.

February 23, 2005 5:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thanks for nuttin' nacho. His little posts were actually less intrusive than your big ones dressing him down. Who died and made you blog-god.

February 23, 2005 5:52 PM  

Anonymous Jose from Pacas said:

Nacho puto ponzon tell us how Antonia lied, lied, lied about the 80 neighborhood watch, lied about his family, lied about the clean up and lied about the poll number

you make hispanic look bad

February 23, 2005 5:53 PM  

Blogger J. Harriman said:

Here's some pretty big news (from City News Service)

LOS ANGELES (CNS) - About two dozen African American political, religious and community leaders announced a dual endorsement today of two City Council members who are running for mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa and Bernard Parks.
The group includes the Rev. Cecil ``Chip'' Murray and Bishop Charles E. Blake, both of whom endorsed Mayor Jim Hahn in 2001, and Los Angeles Urban League President John Mack, who did not endorse a candidate last time.

That's got to be good for Antonio in a runoff.

February 23, 2005 6:28 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

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February 23, 2005 7:09 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

KABC-TV Poll debunked?

Boi from Troy this afternoon posted yet another poll just released -- also a small sampling -- from Probolsky that shows a span of ONLY SIX POINTS among the THREE leading mayoral candidates; says this still a close 3-way race among H, V, & H, especially given it's similar 5-6 percent margin of error.

Check it out:


February 23, 2005 7:10 PM  

Anonymous Joe Harryman said:

Just because a bunch of old fossil preachers endorse Antonio means nothing for him.

It is bad for Jimmy though. What would Kenny say?

I hear the Mayor is going to endorse Antonio in the runoff. Man that's the kiss of death!

February 23, 2005 7:28 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

I just got polled.

they said auto dial poll.

I felt like somone was polling on behalf of one of the candidates. I wonder if polls are used as a way of campainging , does anyone know.

They really really wanted to know who I was going to vote for.

I gave hahn a 10 , hertberg a 8 , villaraigosa a 1 , and parks a 10. and Alarcon a 5. I am a moderate.

They asked about the vignali issue, guess what to me it doesn't matter anymore. The Enron issue is another thing altogether.

I could have lied my butt off on this poll. HOw can these things be accurate? And I wonder if it was Hahns campaing calling to get this poll. They told me they don't know who was polling.

But thye sure did have a lot of dirt on hertzberg when theybwere askng questions. I guess because I rated him a 8.

if this is an omen , it looks like Hahn may start going after huggy bear.

or it may just be a coincidence. Because I gave hertzberg an 8 the dirt sure did come out about him. They didn't ask about any dirt on Hahn.

February 23, 2005 9:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We got hit by the same poll last night. It's definitely Hahn's people behind it. Once they narrow down what candidate you're most likely to vote for (if, of course, it's not Hahn), they start lobbing tasty tibits of gossip in your direction to see if you'll bite at anything. It's a classic "push" poll technique meant to scew voter's perceptions of the competition and to find the most effective attack strategy to use at a later date.

February 23, 2005 10:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


If i remember to, i'll post some of the questions and the theme of jim Hahns poll tomorrow. Friday morning caonference call with all the consultants should be interesting.

Wondering if the ad traffic changes Friday or this weekend. Saw the republican poll today, another poll showing Antonio in first -- i guess those latinos are coming home where they belong.

blog away.

February 24, 2005 12:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"guess those latinos are coming home where they belong."

So nice of you to welcome us little brown folk back to your plantation massa MEAT. May we assume there will be no further beatings now that you've put us in our proper place?

February 24, 2005 7:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Suppose that's why the ABC poll only showed ADV with 57 percent of the Latino vote (the "L" is capped, meat, but that would probably be showing too much respect, verdad?)

February 24, 2005 7:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Home?" but not listening?


February 24, 2005 7:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My god, it's like we're MEAT's pet chickens, come home to roost... HERE, spic, spic, spic!

February 24, 2005 8:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The only Latino suporting Tony was the one who lived in the westside? Sounds like a typical Tony pattern. Bilingual/bicultural Matea wrote this story, so you know it's accurate - remember the hit jobs she was fed by Tony's campaign in 2003 and she reported as fact, another Tony pattern.

Tony can't get Latinos excited because one night stands get boring after a while. Tony lost in 2001 by 40,000 votes, in that election 400,000 Latinos didn't vote. And Antonio Gonzalez's numbers from Southwest Voter Registration are always a crock. Need an explanation for Tony's weak showing, just look at who's making all his decisions. There are no Latinos in Tony's high command, couldn't even find himself a Latino chief of staff. And this coupled with the fact that Tony is ashamed of his Latino heritage isn't going to excite any RAZA.

February 24, 2005 8:42 AM  

Blogger J. Harriman said:

Interesting electoral analysis: In a city with approximately 300,000 Latino voters, you say that 400,000 did NOT vote in the 6/01 runoff. Daley would be envious.

In fact, the highest turnouts in the city were in CD 1 (42.14) and CD14 (42.14).

February 24, 2005 9:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parks and Attention Deficit Villaraigosa endorsed by the blacks! Whow that's scary. Who the hell would want these same idiots backing? These clowns threatened to burn LA once again, claimed that officers would be shot in the South, ones that have the Nation of Islam speaking out for the whole South, they speak of the white city being racist, etc. etc. I heard blacks will not vote for ADV. There's too many Latinos who moved into the South now where blacks once ruled. Anyone who thinks the blacks want a Latino as Mayor are kidding themselves. I love John & Ken on KFI. Keep slamming ADV as Mexican socialist.

February 24, 2005 10:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Harriman, as always your nitpicking "clarifications" are pointless and intentionally misleading. Since the original poster did not say 400,000 Latino's "who were registered to vote" did not vote, your point is moot. There are certainly far more Latinos of voting age in this city of nearly 4 million than you attempt to imply. "Didn't vote" is not necessarily exclusive of "couldn't vote." Taking into account unregistered Latino voters who might have been added to the rolls if motivated by the opportunity to vote for the right kind of candidate, the first poster probably underestimated, e.g. "500,000 Latinos didn't vote; 600,000 Latinos didn't vote."

Your explanation about the two primarily Eastside districts (which one can only assume you are suggesting are the main "Latino" districts, Valley voters aside), is equally muddled and pointless. These districts did not have the same boundaries of ethnic composition today as they did in 2001 -- due to redistricting -- and both have relatively low voter registration numbers when compared to either their population or the number of resident citizens of voting age. High turnout percentage in an area with a low rate of voter registation still equates to less votes overall when compared to an area where that profile might be reversed.

February 24, 2005 11:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What kind of hypocritical howls would we be hearing today from media and political pundits if Billy Graham were in the city endorsing James Hahn, instead of Black ministers endorsing minority candidates?

February 24, 2005 11:28 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That's 400,000 Latinos elligible to vote. Take a look around, yong Latinos everywhere, but no direction. Most aren't even registered to vote thanks to Tony's poverty pimp friend Antonio Gonzalez and his sugar mommy Gloria Molina. When was the last major Latino voter registration drive that wasn't bolstered by amnesty citizenship? Almost 20 years ago, when Tony's other poverty pimp friend Victor Griego handled this registration drive that netted 86,000 newly registered Latino voters. Ever wonder why Molina had success in the late 80's and early 90's.

Yes, Daley would be envious if all elligible Latinos voted, or for that matter showed up at the polls with a 33% turnout - Tony can't do that and his handlers wouldn't know where to start.

If you need to verify these numbers, look up Steve Lopez's article on Latino voter turnout after the 2001 election. This is the article in which Lopez called Latino leaders blumbering idiots for their lack of true electorol clout. Taken aback, Tony's friends responded by skewing the numbers and claiming that it was indeed a succesful Latino turnout. If it was so successful, why didn't Tony win?

February 24, 2005 11:51 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Well, no "duh" -- the L.A. Weakly (one of Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa's biggest, unflinching media supporters in past years), has "weakly" endorsed him for Mayor. (That locks up the Santa Monica vote, fer shur!) But guess what? Half-hearted endorsement notwithstanding, the area dope-smokers' favorite alternative rag is FINALLY starting to GET it. They suggest ADV® might want to "be more careful" about breaking promises (how diplomatic):

"He needs to be less arrogant around his natural constituency and more careful about the promises he makes — specifically, when he 'unequivocally' assured residents from Eagle Rock to Boyle Heights in 2003 that he would serve his full City Council term if they elected him instead of the incumbent."

Hey, ADV® did you hear that? Someone on the WESTside actually thinks you should TRY KEEPING A PROMISE, now and then -- just for good measure, mind you. If you can remember how, that is. The veil of secrecy is beginning to slip down... "Villaraigosa tells lies" (BIG ones, and OFTEN). Boy, I should've mentioned that here earlier! What is he promising YOU, boys and girls of L.A., this time. . . if you make him mayor? Still ready to throw that precious vote away?

February 24, 2005 12:20 PM  

Blogger J. Harriman said:

My goodness, such intentional obtuseness.

Elligible Latinos register and turnout in about the same percentages as everyone else. In 2001, they turned out at higher percentages than everyone else.

If all elligible Latinos had registered and turned out, yes, Villaraigosa would have won.

So that's your damning indictment?

February 24, 2005 12:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard that Attention Deficit Villaraigosa got the blacks to support him by bad mouthing the LAPD to all these reverends saying he will take control of them. Stupid idiot asshole!. That will get enough people already mad at him livid. Anything for a vote. You can't tell me he's a public safety supporter with that shitty attitude. Hey MEAT why is the four eyed fool Paul Hernandez all of a sudden with him during his campaigning? Did he take a leave of absence or is he on city time and my tax dollar? Someone please find out.

February 24, 2005 12:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You can bet this is one endorsement you won't find the text of in any ADV mailers or on the Website.

February 24, 2005 12:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sac, you really got to give Tony V's people the chance to read and spin these things before deconstructing what they want to have appear as "good news." It's gotta hurt to have a newspaper endorsement turn into an indictment for lack of character.

February 24, 2005 12:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"My goodness, such intentional obtuseness."

Bout time you confessed to that, JH. Now go ask Pope Tony for forgiveness.

February 24, 2005 12:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ADV is promising "hands on leadership" -- doesn't say HIS hands (which is good, because we know his will be busy packing for the next gig).

February 24, 2005 12:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey - whichever "anonynmous" keeps mentioning that Tony V. didn't start 80 new neighborhood watches in CD14 -- thought you might want to know his campaign Website is already starting to back down from that, and "fudge" the claim into just "dozens" of new watches, since they can't prove 80 or even close:


By the time the primary's over, they'll have this neutered into something like "several." There aren't even 80 distinct neighborhoods in the district are there? And many already had watches before he carpetbagged in two years ago.

February 24, 2005 12:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Recall Committee sent a letter to the Ethics Committee about Villaraigosa's ads claiming he set up 80 neighborhood watches. In fact, Mayor Sam got a copy. Villaraigosa should stop that ad.

February 24, 2005 12:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"I heard that Attention Deficit Villaraigosa got the blacks to support him by bad mouthing the LAPD to all these reverends saying he will take control of them."

Sounds like you're spewing information that's as insulting to "the blacks" as it is ignorant. These African American leaders aren't going to support Antonio based on the police issue alone. There are many issues where the mayor has FAILED. You talk like they're some knee-jerk reactionaries that don't have political depth. And that frankly is insulting and stupid.

February 24, 2005 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Bishop Blake's daughter is sleeping with Antonio's buddy Martin Ludlow - she's his wife! I think the Blake, Murray et al endorsement may be the beginning of a split in the black community. Those that see their future tied to the Latino political leadership and those who have a deep mistrust of the growing Latino power. We have to wait and see what Magic does.

February 24, 2005 3:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The fact of the matter is these black leaders are the idiots that thought Bitter Bernie should stay as LAPD Chief. Bitter Bernie is just as crooked as anyone I know. He has more corruption in his own family with exception of Parks Jr. These black leaders are the most racist and see things in black and white. That's it. Latinos have over taken the South and they don't like it. These are the blacks that critized Bratton whom the city loves. Attention Deficit Villaraigosa's alignment makes him guilt by association.Not one single Latino organization has endorsed that loser Tony. Why Meat???? Hey Meat hasn't posted. I think we're beginning to be too much for him

February 24, 2005 3:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Thanks to the poster who said ADV is backing off his 80 neighborhood watches claims. We've been saying he's lied since day one. Now as one of his accomplishments he says he organized MANY public safety forums and community events....LIE LIE LIE LIE. I live in Boyle Heights and that loser has had only 2 public safety forums and he never has organized an event. Other community members organize an then ADV threatens to have his name put on the flyer or else. That's the Antonio way. Sleazy classless, asshole

February 24, 2005 3:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I also just noticed that there's not one photo of ADV with communty people in his district. They're photos of people in the south and elsewhere. He's such a scumbag.

February 24, 2005 4:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The leadrship in the black community that had endored Shit for brains AV and bitter ass Parks. Remember when Hahn dumped Parks and the same rev. pimps helded a press conference tearing of checks they received from Hahn. What the pimps did'nt tell the public or the media is they cashed the checks and did not return not one cent. SO, I'LL BORROW THE GREAT WORDS FROM THE GREAT MAYOR RIORADAN, TO THE PROVERTY PIMP YOUR COMMUNITY ARE NOT FOOLED BY YOUR BULL-SHIT.

February 24, 2005 4:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I also just noticed that there's not one photo of ADV with communty people in his district. They're photos of people in the south and elsewhere. He's such a scumbag.

February 24, 2005 4:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Well with the language you "community folks from CD 14" use on here i wouldn't want to take a picture with or of you guys.

I think all the trash talking on here represents a fear that Antonio will win the mayor's race, which makes me think you guys must be racist. Or just dum-dums. It's probably both.

If there is that much stuff on Antonio, why hasn't anyone said it, oh wait, it was said. When he ran for assembly against Bill Mabie, ran for speaker against Don Perata, Mayor 4 years ago, City council against Nick "La Colectiva" Pacheco. What we learned then is that all the negative stuff is out, and it doesn't mean anything to anyone. If it did then why is Antonio in first place in every public poll not associcated with any campaign. If everyone on here is a polling expert, please blog on here what the perfect instrument is for you to endorse?

But you are dum-dums -- so that question won't be answered.

blog away

February 24, 2005 4:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, someone MIGHT be able to answer the question if it could be stated in something close to a coherent sentence.

February 24, 2005 5:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Might be time to throw Tony V. another "bone" MAYOR SAM. MEAT's feeling a little persecuted, especially now that he's having to hold of the "iggorant" dum-dum hordes with only one avatar.

February 24, 2005 5:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You're the trash talker MEAT. And full of threats. And lies. And the proof is that Mayor Sam had to pull one of your posts. So don't go around acting all innocent and blaming others.

February 24, 2005 6:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Not everything on Tony has come up. If Tony doesn't make the runoff, there is no recall. Timing, timing, timing. Can you imagine the response after Tony's opponent in the runoff is forced to go negative on T.V. and radio. Half the work will be done. In the campaigns you mentioned, Tony's opponents held back. You may find this hard to believe because of the contents of the hits, contents that forced Tony to respond to the Times that he wouldn't comment on the contents of the hit pieces.

You obviously don't know Tony that well and have bought into his lies, just like one of his cheap pick ups at a sleazy bar. But just to tease you, ask Tony about his first born - the mother now lives in Fresno and she's got a story to tell. There's even a court record.

February 24, 2005 6:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm sick of everyone bashing Parks' family and taking it easy on Jr. He's a THUG! He drives into City Hall with that hip-hop music blarin'. Let's be fair and spread the bashing to him too!

February 24, 2005 7:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Getting personal on AV and Parks Jr are we? Somebody's got their panties in a bunch. This site is worse than the British tabloids. You people must be camping out at your computer all day. Best of luck to you wankers!

February 25, 2005 1:12 PM  

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February 25, 2005 3:13 PM  

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