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Sunday, February 20, 2005

When is a scoop a scoop?

NewsboyAn interesting little back and forth on the question of who scooped whom in recent stories about the Times dual Hertzberg-Villariagosa endorsement and the internal Villaraigosa poll showing the Mayor in third place behind himself and Bob Hertzberg.

The Sister City was the first of the major political blogs in town to post an article about the impending Times bombshell early Saturday afternoon. As well, Chief Parker posted an edited transcript of the actual editorial and later one of our readers posted the entire text in a comment. Within a few hours, both LA Observed and LA Voice posted the story and promised the text or a link to it later on.

In a second story, we reference the Chief's story as well as the same LA Voice story that detailed the Villaraigosa poll with the damaging results for Hahn. We linked to and credited LA Voice for the news.

As we are prone to doing, we tooted our own horn (if you don't who will?) about our scoop on the Hertzberg-Villaraigosa LA Times dual-endorsement. It wasn't long afterward that Mack Reed of LA Voice posted to our article that we shouldn't have really claimed a scoop because a reader of LA Voice going by the name of "Times Mole" had posted the following Thursday night (Reed also reiterated this in a subsequent article about the endorsement here):

The Los Angeles Times will endorse two candidates again. I know this for sure. But I don't know which o­nes yet, though I predict it will be Hertzberg and Villaraigosa. Is this the deathknell for the mayor?

So we'll give the point to LA Voice on this one, even though it was an actual staff posted article. However, one of our readers makes an interesting point. The story about the Villaraigosa poll - which we credited to LA Voice - first showed up in a reader post on the Sister City Friday morning.

Don't worry, MEAT or some other flack-let will resurface when there are more bogus polls to pitch. Word is they have their own internal (yeah, right) polls now showing ADV at 27-28, Hertzberg at 22-23, and Hahn at 21.

So maybe the point on that one goes to the Sister City. But honestly, who cares? Yes we will promote our blog with the fun and bravada associated with our late, former Mayor and once in a while we'll probably piss someone off. That goes with the territory when you're an alternative to the alternatives. The truth is the blogs are out there and all of them are doing their level best to keep both the traditional press, comment media and the politicians honest. If we have some redundancy, shared credit, stolen credit and some genuine scoops, its all part of the game.

Blog away dum dums!

49 Comments:

Anonymous CHICKENBALL said:

MAYOR SAM FROM CHICKNBALL

BOY FRONM TROY SAYS YOU BLOW HIM I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE GAY I TOLD YOU HE IS A PEDAFILEE WHY YOU DON'T TAKE OFF HIS LINK IF YOU ARE CONSERVATIVE???? I HAVE DECIDE TO VOTE FOR VILAROGASA

February 20, 2005 1:03 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

"The story about the Villaraigosa poll ... first showed up in a reader post on the Sister City Friday morning."

MS, for what it's worth, same poster tipped you via e-mail to Hertzberg opening an Eastside office; will try to keep them coming!

February 20, 2005 2:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here's a scoop, the LA Times has never endorsed Hahn in his entire career, yet he has never lost a city wide election.

February 20, 2005 2:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No parallelism there. The L.A. Times is definitely out of sync with the city, but its history of not endorsing Hahn doesn't mean he will win this time, against these odds.

The Times' arrogant pride would not allow them to endorse Hertzberg outright, even though the text as much as said they were -- because the Daily News did that, earlier. They will not be seen as "following" the little paper, under any circumstances. This way, they also have at least one horse in the final race - possibly two.

February 20, 2005 2:53 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

The news about the Hertzberg Eastside office was on local listserv's on the Eastside earlier still. But, symptomatic of the how out-of-touch Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa's people are with his own "home" turf, they seldom if ever use these outlets to reach 1000s of subscribers, to alert local activists, or to monitor the pulse of the area. The opposite was true prior to 2003.

This, even though one Yahoo group in the area is an outright ADV® propaganda mill headed by groupies from his own hilltop community (one that censors any significant criticism of his actions). But they also get his news second hand from other sources.

Anon-in-the-Know appears to have some connections to the Hertzberg camp, which is another indicator. Although that campaign is somewhat new to the area, they've already plugged into these listservs. I hope I'm not tipping off the ADV® people too much here. Probably not. You can still cut their denial about CD14 disatisfaction with a blunt Day of Service "Clean Sweep" hoe, it's so thick.

February 20, 2005 3:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey I hear that Hertzberg's Eastside opening was a flop. I guess AV has nothing to be worried about on the East side.

February 20, 2005 4:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard he had every leader of a 14th district neighborhood council, except Arroyo Seco, at the event. And most are endorsing him. That is a huge blow to Antonio.

February 20, 2005 5:11 PM  

Anonymous Jose from Pacas said:

Wow! Have any NC leaders in the Valley endorsed ADV? Yea - right!

Hey Antonio - that really sucks that the people in your own district don't even like you.

Maybe you could get Goofball Hal Netkin to switch from Walter Moore if you let him make you a Matricula and you renounce Mecha. They already renounced you, so why not???

Pinche puto Antonio. Un qué pequeño clown triste usted es Antonio. Usted debe ir quizá a casa y gritar a su madre. ¿Cómo usted se siente ahora que usted sabe que usted no va a ganar la elección?

February 20, 2005 6:23 PM  

Anonymous Jose from Pacas said:

Antonio está ganando una elección. Él es muy lejano a continuación en el plomo como el miembro más mudo del Consejo de Ciudad.

February 20, 2005 6:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

These listserv's are very powerful. Attention Deficit Villaraigosa's own moronic field staffers find out what's happening in their own districts with info sent on the e-mail groups. I heard the Hertzberg Eastside opening was a success. I would love to see a Hahn-Huggy Bear run-off

February 20, 2005 6:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The fact that Huggy is even in the eastside shows Antonio's vulnerability. I heard he was wigging out that he was even going to the eastside. Go get 'em Huggy, Antonio is on the blink.

February 20, 2005 7:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The fact that Huggy is even in the eastside shows Antonio's vulnerability. I heard he was wigging out that he was even going to the eastside. Go get 'em Huggy, Antonio is on the blink.

February 20, 2005 7:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Talk about a flop, I heard the days of service in Boyle Heights has 300 people. This is good in the rain but they were mostly YO people who were forced to go there by Robert Sainz (CDD) and Aztec Fire Crew people who do not want to piss off AV. So in the end I heard there were only 20 community members present who were not forced to go.

February 20, 2005 7:33 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

Villaraigosa's campaign people have been posting on other blogs that the internal poll numbers listed here and elsewhere are wrong and don't represent what they found out. But, they're not going to reveal the numbers they do have. This makes about the third set of magic numbers leaked or distributed somehow from that camp with no backup, all showing AV doing better than most other camps contend. These have all the marks of being trial balloons, more than anything concrete. They must be testing numbers to see what can and will be believed in the final weeks.

February 20, 2005 7:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That Jose has some mouth...for you non-spanish speaking folks it comes out to some dirty language.

The Times endorsement means nothing. Their coverage of the mayoral election is lackluster. The same goes for the Daily News, which thankfully has not covered another boring debate in some time.

How many times can you write about a debate where there is nothing new? It will come down to the commercials, mail and outreach by these campaigns...not by these left- and right-leaning papers with amateur journalists.

February 20, 2005 10:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FYI - I thought i heard/read somewhere that Mayor Hahn was going to visit the Valley? I believe he is addressing the United Chambers of Commerce tomorrow, President's Day. I could be wrong, but that's what i thought i saw somewhere. I have no idea what he is trying to pitch but good luck to him. He'll need it.

February 20, 2005 10:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If you have any question about how little and poorly Antonio's campaign uses alternate media like this, compare and contrast the traffic on his own campaign blog (only 3 comments on the L.A. Times split- endorsement, for example, versus the 100+ here and dozens on other blogs). One of those was expressing how they would much rather face Hahn in the runoff. Hertzberg's people are somewhat more savvy on this front, although their blog isn't much more active - and is still Valley-centric. (BH gets nearly as much abuse there as on Mayor Sam's - but at least they're not censoring the way AV's blog does).

February 21, 2005 2:31 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yep, strong showing by Hertzy yesterday in Eagle Rock. Huge gathering of 25 people. I'm underwhelmed. He also announced the support of Manny Hernandez and Richard Acosta...lets see, one neighbhorhood council prez who resigned his job and his council doesn't want him back and another neighborhood council prez who's facing a recall because his neighborhood council cant stand him. Powerful statement Hertzy!

February 21, 2005 8:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That is five more community members than Antonio had at his clean-up who were not forced to go. You Hertzberg Haters (Antonio staff and campaign hacks) are all the same. Always trying to tear down something because it is a threat to you. Is it true that AV is going crazy that Hertzberg is in East LA?

February 21, 2005 9:43 AM  

Anonymous Watch what you say said:

Jose,

I take it we can safely assume that the anti-Antonio crowd shares your vehement hatred for gays. Just because it's in Spanish doesn't mean we don't understand.

February 21, 2005 9:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it true, Hertzberg has more support on the eastside from Neighborhood Councils than Antonio?

February 21, 2005 10:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Watch what you say? Watch what YOU say! If you are anti-Villaraigosa you must be anti-Gay. What nonsense! It's because of people like you political discourse is dragged into the gutter. And the same to Jose!

February 21, 2005 10:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Watch what you say? Watch what YOU say! If you are anti-Villaraigosa you must be anti-Gay. What nonsense! It's because of people like you political discourse is dragged into the gutter. And the same to Jose!

February 21, 2005 10:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Here is a scoop:

Antonio's staff actually returned my call today!

I guess things are changing in CD14.

February 21, 2005 10:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anonymous above spouting about the NC presidents in CD14 is badly informed, said this:

"...lets see, one neighbhorhood council prez who resigned his job and his council doesn't want him back and another neighborhood council prez who's facing a recall because his neighborhood council cant stand him."

180 degrees off on both counts. The first was welcomed back by his NC after leaving for a health issue, the second is only facing a "recall" (with less support for it in that community than the AV recall), because he has stood up to the Villaraigosa cadre on that board over several very inappropriate actions they sought to take. The most recent was spending nearly $1,500 of their $50,000 in annual NC funds intended for community improvement to pay for fancy treats to feed visiting City Council members during an off-site CC meeting there. I can provide documentation for that to an impartial 3rd party. If trying to stop rabid partisans from wasting NC money in a poor community to impress their hero AV is worthy of recall, then lets elect more leaders this "worthy!"

By the way, those NC presidents run 2 large councils that represent nearly half of CD14's population.

February 21, 2005 10:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

lil boy from south la says...

Bob Hertzberg is the ultimate flip-flopper, which means quite frankly you can't trust Bob Hertzberg.

1. Bob's poor father couldn't trust him, first he is the loyal son helping out old daddy, then he flips and sues him. Bob's own dad can't trust him.

2. First Bob gives his children the best options a parent can give, then he flips on them when he decides its more convenient to run for Mayor. Bob's own kids can't trust him.

3. Bob's 2nd wife, first he says he will love and be faithful to her forever, then he flips and dates Cynthia Telles for close to 2 years, Cynthia tells bob to divorce her and he flips and does as Cynthia says. Bob's own wife can't trust him.

4. LAUSD break-up -- As an assemblyman FREE (Finally restoring Excellence in Education) though they had an advocate in Bob Hertzberg(ask paula boland), sadly no. Bob then decideds to run for mayor and flips on his position for students in LA. Teachers and students can't trust Bob to be there for them when they need him.

4. Sunshine Cyn --- As speaker Bob accepts thousands from BFI and even lets them sponser his big Valley Speaker coming out party -- supports keeping Sunshine alive, decides to run for Mayor and flips his position on Sunshine. Granada Hills can't trust bob hertzberg for mayor.

5. Valley Secession -- First through the relationship with Richard Katz, mr hertzberg is open to the idea of secession and changing the rules, then he flips on them to oppose it, he then flips on the city of LA to put out the boroughs plan. Unite LA or Valley Vote couldn't trust Bob Hertzberg.

6. Vignali -- Accepts all the contributions he can from Horatio and then makes sure other legislators meet and greet the guy. Promises resolution on the pardon, can't broker the deal. Drug kingpins can't trust Bob Hertzberg.

lil boy from south la says...more to come next week. I'll be honest the more traction lil bobby gets, the more truth i will expose. til next monday!

February 21, 2005 10:41 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Now that the cats are beginning to crawl out of the bag about (the lack of) neighborhood council support for Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa in CD14, might as well fess up. Posting the leading questions about the very limited support from NC leaders on the Eastside for ADV® was bait that even his flacks couldn't afford to take and try and spin, so they kept changing the subject or mentioning small NCs only partially in CD14 - like Arroyo Seco. Many of the top leaders now heading Eastside NCs were trained in community activism and organization at a program the last CM in CD14 originated, called NLI (I think it stood for Neighborhood Leadership Institute), that Garcetti and I think maybe 1-2 other CMs copied for their areas.

In the tedious 2-3 years when the city-chartered NC system (that Pacheco helped create before being elected) was still being constructed, these groups and seminars were being organized as pre-NC focal points for community re-awakening. When the certified NCs finally held elections throughout '01 - '03, these NLI-trained people assumed natural leadership roles in the NCs because they had already had remedial instruction in outreach and development.

The contrast in CM styles could NOT be more severe as shown by these developments. Where ADV® holds natural leaders and activist at arms length and only gathers them together long enough to take press pictures with them, the previous councilmember and staff motivated them and empowered them to get things done. Antonio's failure to accomplish anything but symbolic sweeps and contrived consensus is because his massive ego will NOT allow him to share even minimal grass roots power or the spotlight with any of the "little people" he claims to serve by jumping from elected post to elected post every few years.

February 21, 2005 10:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

All i want to know is when was Nick going to pay the La Colective kids?

I do recall them making a flier blaming Nick Pacheco for their debt. In fact there was a 4 year old outside of Nick's campaign office with a sign that read "please pay my daddy". You can create all the fake leaders you want, Pacheco was a failed councilman, failed candidate for DA, failure all around. This feable attempt to resurrect his career on this blog, is sad and pitiful. Until Nick pays those LA Colectiva kids, i won't let him get elected to any other office ever.

blog away dum-dums

February 21, 2005 10:57 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who the f... are you MEAT. Some little kid who drives Antonio around and spews out lies on this blog. You are a nobody and you are going to stop Pacheco getting into office again? Go see a therapist you little turd and try to get your facts right. And worry about getting Villaraigosa elected. Because when your boy loses again and is kicked out of CD14, you will be crying like a little baby.

February 21, 2005 11:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Fake leaders" -- from a mouth that drools Antonio spin? You delusional, spoon-fed hypocrite. There isn't an emptier suit in L.A. history than ADV. There isn't an elected offical in the state that has piggybacked on other people's ideas more than Tony Villar. There isn't a pol in the country more out of touch with the needs of his consituents than "frequent flier" Villaraigosa. He knows more about the "little people" in D.C. than his CD.

The "hands on leadership" tag line on his ads is funnier than all the sitcoms in prime time. That one line will lose him the vote of any activist in the district that was sitting on the fence. If he's campaigning as "hands-on" then they KNOW everything else is a lie. Because no one is LESS hands-on than ADV.

February 21, 2005 11:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Did i upset someone? Does someone need a nap? Who here on this blog thinks the above posters need a nap? I was so amazed by your comments with all the Facts and Figures it was amazing. I mean i post that he needs to pay those La Colectiva kids, cause they were planning on using that money to pay for books for college and the such, do the above posters even refute it, no. They just spew their anger for the entire world to see, i suppose if you are unemployed like the above posters one can suspect they are always angry.

Again i am not on Antonio's payroll, so driving him isn't something i'd do. That said, i think the above posters should identify which activists are on the fence - name them. Ahh yes they don't exist, just like this recall doesn't exist, just like the same 4 people pretending to be more don't exist. I just hope you guys have someone near you when you are watching Antonio give his victory speech, can't have you having a heartache on us now. Someone on this blog might blame the death on Antonio, and we can't have that can we.

blog away lil dum-dums

February 21, 2005 11:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

ADV wouldn't know where to attend his CD14 NC's meeting if he had a map. I agree that the Eastside NC's have some very strong leaders who know how to organize and get things done on their own. More residents are turning to NC's then their own CD14 council office for per lack of respect, efficiency and not knowing how to work with community. Mind you the idiot Antonio is on the Education and Neigbhorhood Committee. I know of one Eastside NC that ADV hasn't even been to in over a year and half.

February 21, 2005 11:43 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Sorry, MEAT, you can't distract people from Antonio's failed district leadership by pointing at someone else who USED to hold that position. ADV® has been 100 percent in control of CD14 for almost 2 years, and the district is in far worse shape in every category. The blame for it standing still and even going backward in some areas (increased homicides) is his. He's been the only "conductor" for that train (your term elsewhere) and his conduct has been unbecoming someone who said he would improve the district, not use it like a trampoline to jump off somewhere else.

I do my best not to pump Pacheco here - seldom mention his name - because this isn't about what he did or didn't do. But in order to show that the CD14 "train" ground to a halt two years ago, you have to sometimes mention that it was one of the fastest "choo choos" in the city before ADV® stepped in and threw cold water on the boiler -- that's just the extreme contrast. Two+ years ago the district had someone heading the budget committee who could help get much-needed funds into this poorer district. For the past two years they've had someone heading the transportation committee (train conductor, pretty funny) that had oversight for $20 million in lost funds. Now THAT's contrast.

ADV® and his flunkies had a chance to put Pacheco away if he was such a (Plan A) criminal. They didn't because the slime served it's purpose during the election. One way or the other, the accusations against Hahn will dry up (mysteriously?) the same way in 3 weeks or 3 months, depending on how March 8 turns out

February 21, 2005 11:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Interesting you would use the term "conductor" MEAT, but maybe you better lose the train analogies. You and Tony's handlers must be feeling real bad about something missed in the past? You know, the conductor isn't the one that drives the train - that's the engineer. The conductor collects the money and the tickets to pay for the ride. You know, like the $20 million ADV's transportation committee left on the table. Someone's feeling guilty about that, no doubt.

February 21, 2005 11:55 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm pretty good with numbers, but I can't keep up with this MEAT math.
"...the same 4 people pretending to be more don't exist."

Okay, now it's only 4, which one of the 5 sleazy bar owners died or called in sick? Now it's down to four, and those four "don't exist." These ghost posters are sure giving the one real, concrete MEAT a run for his money, though. He's having to invent even more convoluted figures to back up past lies, insult duly elected NC leaders (just because they know ADV better and back someone else... what a crime!), and dig up "crimes" past councilmembers supposedly did, all in order to change the subject about his boy's bad performance in office. Show the 81 percent approval "facts", show the faked KABC-TV approval poll "facts", show the "internal" tracking "facts" that no one wants to own up to now, but that they leaked just in time to try and distract from the lackluster Times endorsement. MEAT, you of all people can't throw out numbers here -- you lost all credibility on anything related to digits and decimals ages ago. Johnny can't read in L.A. - but MEAT can't count.

February 21, 2005 12:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat really should stick to what he can do -- bashing Hahn. With backfiring support like his, AV doesn't need anymore enemies. Meat is a one-man AV suicide squad.

February 21, 2005 12:09 PM  

Anonymous Guy who hears stuff said:

We hear the real AV poll that MEAT will not show you has Hertzie at 29, AV at 24 and JH at 22. Also strong support in CD14 in Hertzie, coming in 2nd with Hahn and Parks tied for #3. This is why you see that the ADV folks are now posting about Huggy.

Huggy I hope you are up for this.

February 21, 2005 12:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"MEAT should really stick to what he can do" Can you tell me what that is? Well, he can lie, I suppose. I give you that one. What else? Oh, he can repeat what the Villaraigosa camp tells him to say. Oh, yes. I give you that, too. But what else? Nothing? So, we have established that MEAT can lie (but not convincingly) and he can repeat what he's told to say by the "grown ups" on Antonio's campaign. With those qualifications I bet MEAT has a good chance of getting a job with Antonio2006.

February 21, 2005 12:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Pacheco followed Garcetti's leadership academy. For what it is worth. I was a graduate of Garcetti's academy. And my cousin worked for Nick.

February 21, 2005 12:32 PM  

Anonymous Jose from Pacas said:

Meat is a puto wanabe will never be hired by that puppet clown Antonia but they will keep leading him on for free stuff. This is how Antonia likes to date his women poor sad clown.

Meat lied to us every day on here and continues to lie for his boyfriend Antonia.

Meat never told us who he was even though the puto said he would. He is nobody, nobody, just a maricon with a computer. Same as Harriman.

Vote Alarcon!

February 21, 2005 12:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The LA Times is cherry picking the truth to support it's weak Hertzberg "sort-of" endorsement. On Feb. 20, 2005 a Times article criticized Hahn (again) for not taking on the incredibly demanding, time--intense chairmanship of the MTA. It was a wise decision and the same one that Riordan made, albeit, Riordan gave up his turn as chair for TWO YEARS, Hahn for only one. Riordan gave his seat to Richard Alatorre who was later indicted on corruption charges involving his term. Hahn passed his turn to veteran Valley Councilman Hal Bernson who knew transportation being chair of the Transporation Committee, the Metrolink Board, President of SCAG and was well respected by the other members of the MTA Board, a key to getting any done. It was a particularly wise move in light of the fact that in addition to secession, "911" commanded a great deal of Hahns attention that year. How convenient that the LA Times neglects to mention that tidbit.
Lastly, the LA Times is the biggest flip flopper of all--a few short years ago it blasted a 2001 City Council candidate for supporting a separate school district in the San Fernando Valley. Their comments were vitriolic at best--so what changed? Nothing, it's far less of an issue today in the Valley than it was four years ago. The difference is they have no longer have any shame and just make it up as they go along to fit their candidate de jour and their own agenda.

February 21, 2005 12:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT,

You should go back to the Valley and support Valley Succession (Valley Vote) because you are out of touch with my Council District. I do not know who the NC's are going to support but I do know they are very upset with my Councilman Antonio Villaraigosa and he has alot of opposition to him running for Mayor. Hahn and Hertzberg do have alot of support in CD14 NC's including Downtown LA NC. I think Antonio forgets this is in his district too.

February 21, 2005 2:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Pacheco followed Garcetti's leadership academy. For what it is worth. I was a graduate of Garcetti's academy. And my cousin worked for Nick."

Since neither on is running for mayor, then I guess it's worth nothing. First, second, who cares... Villaraigosa is LAST in empowering people in his own district. Dead last behind "indict me again, I love it", multiple-recall target Art Snyder.

February 21, 2005 2:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You girls really shouldn't bash meat so much. I find his arguments very convincing and he is an excellent debater. Because of his points up above I have decided NOT to vote for Villaraigosa OR Pacheco for mayor this year. ABV and ABP. I didn't even know Nick was running, but I'm sold.

Let's see who else is on the ballot.

February 21, 2005 2:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't believe Meat works for Villaraigosa. He has way to much anti-Hahn venom for even an AV staffer. I think Hahn or one of his underlings must have canned Meat from some cushy, useless city job in the past four years. He's taking the Hahn candidacy way too personal for any other explanation.

February 21, 2005 2:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"We hear the real AV poll that MEAT will not show you has Hertzie at 29, AV at 24 and JH at 22."

That maks a lot of sense "guy who hears" -- you KNOW if AV was on top in any kind of sampling the news would be screaming out of every campaign office. AVs track record in the last mayoral campaign shows he does not pick up most of the undecideds, plus more of the support from also-rans goes elsewhere. With his team wounding Hahn so badly with constant rumors of "high level indictments" the undecideds will be looking hard to get away from both parts of the two-man runoff combo that made the 2001 race such a waste of energy last time around.

February 21, 2005 2:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Blogger said: "Pacheco followed Garcetti's leadership academy."

You're thinking of something else, Garcetti hadn't even been elected to City Council when this stuff (NLI) started. He's only just finishing up his first term.

February 21, 2005 5:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT should check his facts before libeling Pacheco. According to the following LA Times article Pacheco never owed any La Colectiva employees any money.

La Colectiva was a for profit campaign organizing company that worked for Alvin Parra in 1995 and Pacheco in 1999.

It's owner Martin GutieRuiz took full responsibility for owing those students their money.

Here is the article:
Eastside Operation Leaves Youths at Loss; Probe: D.A. investigating La Colectiva's use of state funds, while its former workers seek back pay.;
MATEA GOLD, TINA DAUNT. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Oct 10, 2001. pg. B.1

Only Villaraigosa supporters perpetuate the lie and myth that Pacheco owed these workers money.

MEAT must be on Villaraigosa's payroll to say something so ignorant. I'm sure after he reads the article he won't be repeating such a stupid thing, unless of course he's getting paid to do so by Villaraigosa

February 22, 2005 12:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You guys MEAT, FEO, doesn't have anything to bitch and moan about but things that happened years ago just like his boss Attention Deficit Villaraigosa record of 4 years ago when he was assemblyman and has to put on his commercials now. WHo the hell cares what he did that long ago? He's done nothing for the past 2 years as councilman and now evern CM members are blasting his loser butt. Meat you're not answering about Antonio, FEO taking money from NC's that is documented. Why would he do that if he was sitting on thousands?

February 22, 2005 10:09 AM  

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